are my plants shocked/big bud thread MERGED

[hippygirl420]

big bud,add at beginnning or in middle of flowering ? i put it in when i moved them over from veg to flow.Im just not sure if that was right.I also used hum.county bushmaster in the resevoir.I looked at them today and now there totally wilted and a little burn and curl at the end.I know the retailer said that the plants will stress when you add it in,but im not sure if its the big bud or the b.m.,it says to add 6 oz of big bud to my 10 gallon res. that seems to be a lot,should i stick with that or should i cut that completley in half.Thanks again for answering my question,you guys are the best.

[the image reaper]

if you're asking about Fox Farm's 'Big Bloom', you can use it throughout the plant's life, it is a live micro-organism supplement ... I use it, good stuff, evidently ... since it is alive, adding hydrogen peroxide, or using chlorinated tapwater, etc., will kill the beneficial bacteria, and render it useless ... :jointsmile:

[rhizome]

OP is talking about Advanced's Big Bud product- but has the ratio wrong.1/4 gram per quart @ 2 gram per teaspoon- so a 10g res gets 5 tsp.

Good stuff, but watch out for the fry factor- I'd go maybe 4 tsp in 10g.

Unless you're using the liquid Big Bud, also by Advanced- I don't have a bottle handy, so I can't check the ratio on that.

OP's dose seems high, though- specially in conjunction w/ bushmaster.

You know that you use the bushmaster once, and then change the res 72 hours later, right? Don't keep adding that stuff- improperly used, it'll kill stuff.

Do check your math- your doses seem high.

[the image reaper]

thanks, rhyzome, for clearing me up, I wasn't sure which product she was asking about ... :thumbsup:

[hippygirl420]

yes sorry about that its liquid dr.hornby big bud 0-1-4.so if im reading that wrong i wonder what else im over adding,i just have what it says on the back to go by,and the retailer told me to use less than what is called for so thats what im doing.It says to use 5ml per liter(1tsp per quart)4 quarts in a gallon so thats 40 tsp per 10 gallons which makes that 200 ml wich equals out to be 6 1/2 oz. so thats the way i do it if anybody could please help me out and say if im wrong or right please

[hippygirl420]

i have aquestion for you ,you said that the bushmasters left in there longer than 72 hours will kill it right.Would that explain my huge droopage issue its coming on the 72 hour mark.but when you use b.m. in the resevoir has your plants drooped because of it.Im getting scared the roots where bright white when i moved them over and now there brown and almost slimy and thats when they started to droop when i moved them over and added the b.m and b.b. so im just going to flush it out and use little nuts keeps my ppm down 1000or under because im having to many droop issuses and root issuses.I use hydrozyme and pot o gold for the roots but who know if im even using the right amountand im using botanicare pure blend grow for veg and pro bloom for the flower im using in my 10 gallon about 3 oz is that right? thats less than what the back says

[hippygirl420]

okay heres what i did.I had two plants veging in my hydro resevoir.The roots got so massive that they started mingiling with each other.When i got ready to move the two plants to flowering i had gently move the roots back and forth under the water to unlock them,now i got the majority but there was a clump that i could'nt get out and i had to cut the conjoined roots down the middle (maybe a 1/2 inch diameter) with a pair of sterile siccors,when i put them over to my flowering side i added my dr.hornsby big bud and my bushmasters.The day after next my plants started to droop,pretty bad,so i waited a day and they only got worse,Then i started thinking that maybe i had put to much big bud,and that the bushmasters was making it wilt(thats what the manufacture said it might do,but i got scared because i didnt think that it should wilt that bad.So i flushed my res. with r2o and i added grotek flush just in case of over feeding, its been two days flushing and even worse.The stems are fine its just the leaf,no burn a lot of wilting,but no yellow or spot.So if it is shock from thr roots should i put nuts in it at a very little regiment,what is the best thing to do?

[the image reaper]

I have cut roots pretty significantly, with no resulting plant damage ... I would suspect it 'may' be the fertilizing that did the shock ... in soil, it's not a good idea to fertilize near transplanting time ... maybe, that's true with hydro, too ... I suggest you try to find a good growers' guide, and do some more reading, you seem to have a lot of questions ... good luck with your garden :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Wait.....you mixed bushmaster and Big Bud? Could you say again what you added, how much you added, and when you added them?

Also, your total ppms.........or as MANY specs as you can give........ph etc.....

Got a photo?

[stinkyattic]

Since this is already being troubleshooted [troubleshot?] on another thread, I'm merging.
And please for the love of Pete can we get some clearer phrasing? I don't know about the rest of the interpreters here, but I can't troubleshoot what I can't understand...

[hippygirl420]

i apologize for the non clarity.When i moved the two plants over to the flowering side i added the normal regement that im using wich is inconjuction with a 10 gallon res.5tbl pot o gold,10 tbls botanicare pure blend pro bloom,50 ml hydrozym,40 ml cal-mag,5ml per quart dr hornby big bud, 50ml flora nectar,5 teaspoons bushmasters.All the nutes were in the resevoir at 1000 ppms and [email protected] day after the plants started drooping i left them in there for another day and then i got worried so i flushed it with half the amount of flush solution... and so it stays, still looking really bad,i'll try to post some pictures as soon as i can,and once again i apologize about not phrasing my question correctly.

[Weedhound]

Sounds like you have burned them......and Thanks....I DO understand much better now. I'm not familiar really with Big Bud but when Rhizome says things like "watch out for the fry factor" it puts my ears up. Add that, the bushmaster and your regular ferts and it sounds as though there was just too much there for the plants to handle.

I would put them on a very simple CalMag, ProBloom and hydrozyme to about 500-600ppms......that's what my hydro guy always makes me do when I do something bad to my plants.

Watch your ph very carefully........if the plants ARE burned it will jump around alot.

[the image reaper]

40ml is a strong Cal-Mag+ dose ... 10ml per gallon is more common ... :smokin:

[hippygirl420]

is my dosage to high for the cal-mag the only one and the rest sound fine or do you think that im putting to much nute in my water,im just a newbie and any wisdom would be great.

[hippygirl420]

on the cal-mag plus,it says to add 10 ml per 4 liters of water and my tank is 10 gallons.Now they say to use lower amount than the back says so i usually cut it in half.Since im a newbie and you guys have used these before(hopefully) maybe you can dummy it up for me and tell me how much to use in a 10 gallon res.

[Weedhound]

Do you have something that reads ppms or tds?

[stinkyattic]

Yes, the basic feeling here seems to be that you are using too much fertilizer- that the combination of all your fert components plus bushmaster, overapplied (too great length of time in your res and without dropping total ppms), has damaged the plants. Products like bushmaster and gravity are easy to overuse- you HAVE to follow label instructions to the letter.
You need a way to measure total fert ppm ESPECIALLY if using any type of supplement!

[hippygirl420]

i have a ppm tester that i try to keep at 1200 total on the flowering side.but im not sure how to measure my ferts.with ppm i mean do you pour into a cup and measure the amount of ppms from each additive?.IM really confused.IN your guys proffesional opinon should i cut back on anything are my fert and nuts right.My res water after adding all my nuts that i gave deteail to in my last repost make my water completly brown and soon after the roots follow.so point being i think im using to many nutes.Can some one help me please and guide me what to use

[stinkyattic]

IN your guys proffesional opinon should i cut back on anything are my fert and nuts right...Can some one help me please and guide me what to use


I would put them on a very simple CalMag, ProBloom and hydrozyme to about 500-600ppms....
Watch your ph very carefully........if the plants ARE burned it will jump around alot.I think Weedhound already gave you very good instructions for this.

[Weedhound]

If you are asking what I think you are asking I measure things this way.

Start with RO water.....should be about 10ppms
Add CalMag until water ppms read 300.
Add Pro Bloom until water ppms read 600.

So you will be watching numbers as you add things. Instead of adding a SET AMOUNT you will add enough to make the ppm numbers what you want them at.

Then add your zyme product and adjust the ph last.

[hippygirl420]

awesome, that was exactly what i was looking for,thank you so much,and hopfully doing it this way will save me a lot of trouble with burn and over feeding.You guys are the best and once again i apologize for the lack of clarity on my questions.Weedhound what do you suggest i do about my dr.hornsby big bud and flora nectur,use those exactly as what they say on the back or measure it by ppms like you suggested with my other nute and fert.Sorry if this is a stupid question i just dont want to mess up anything and what better advice to follow than people who KNOW what they are doing.:)

[stinkyattic]

You don't NEED the big bud. You should wait to add any type of bloom booster supplements until your plants are in good health. This goes for ANY supplement. Concentrate on getting good results with your base fert, calmag, and zyme. Then add a booster when you have more confidence and have brought healthy plants to harvest at least once in the system you are running.

It's pointless to put a performance exhaust on your car if it's got no engine.

[hippygirl420]

okay thanky you very much.Im sorry to report that 1 of my two is beyond saving im going to have to pull it and the other one is turning yellow and getting very limp,so...i'll start over with my blueberry clones and use the ppm measuring like weedhound said and wait till the plants start budding until i add my big bud and flora nectur as opposed adding it to the begging when i moved them from veg to bloom.thanks again

[Weedhound]

Have you checked out my sticky on a nute schedule? Works great for me.

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/147458-weedhound-s-nute-schedule-hydro-botanicare.html

My sticky......I love to say that......:D

[stinkyattic]

Let me say again for the nth time... Bloom boosters should not be used until you have taken at LEAST one crop fully through to harvest! They may add weight in a garden that is dialed in already, but if your garden is not dialed in, you can end up with dead plants.
Your problem really was overuse of supplements, and not following the directions on the back of the bottle of bushmaster.