My first Hydro grow! tips and comments are appreciatied

[Krimet]

This is for the most part my first indoor grow, kinda low budget but itll do, i hope. Plants are a day away from being 3 weeks old, im using 1 t5 and 1 t8 cfl to veg with a gh rainforest 36 hydro system. i also use the gh 3 part nut system using distilled water with a ppm of roughly 340-370, and a ph around 6 room temp stays in between 68-78 degrees through out the whole day 1 plant has some tan and brown spots on it but the light doesn't seem to close. is this a problem i need to deal with quick?

p.s. how th hell do u post pics

[Krimet]

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[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Krimit,

I am a soil grower so I am basically no help but I can point you in the right direction.

There is a great section with pictures on plant problems in the FAQ Section, you may want to go there to start, then try to solicite the help of Weedhound, She is the Hydro Gurru on this sight.

[Krimet]

I've done a lot of looking around here and as far as a i can see my lights are plenty far enough, 5-6 in. away, and my ph is closer to 6.2 right now, ppm of 360, the pump to water the plants turns on and off every hour. am i watering to much maybe?

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one of the smaller plants have also started to get the brown spots.

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[Krimet]

next day and the plants are looking a lil more worse. anyone got any comments? maybe a mg deficiency?

[stinkyattic]

Looks like a potassium problem. Did you pre-treat the hydroton before use to stabilize the pH at 6.0?

[Krimet]

I did not, what exactly do i need to pre-treat, and how? do i need to swap the water out of the reservoir to fix the potassium problem?

[Krimet]

update- third plant looking droopy

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ppm is near 450 now :mad: im gonna change the reservoir asap, im gonna try to get the ppm under 200, any tips would be great!

[Krimet]

looking at those pics i noticed how yellow those tops leaves are compared to the lower set, is that also something i need to be paying attention too, or is that normal?

[JohnnyRico]

Hi Krimet!
Your plants def have some issues. First possible problem is over watering. How often do you ran water through your system?
Theres also some signs of ph-fluctuation and maybe mg shortage. They seem little stunted. How much nutes are you giving them?

[Krimet]

I had water running through it for an hour every hour. ive cut that down to an hour every 2 hours, the root system is already in the reservoir, should i not have it running 24/7 now just for the oxygen?
i use the gh flora series, following the feeding schedule they gave me, which was for week 2, 5 ml gro 2.5 micro 2.5 of bloom, per gallon of water. i only use 2.5 gallons of distilled water.

[stinkyattic]

I don't see any evidence of a magnesium problem.
Hydroton has a tendency to drift up in pH value over time, and you have to pre-soak it until you are certain that it is stable.
Check the pH of your reservoir. I'll bet it is out of range.
Also, are you running CalMag plus? In distilled water, you MUST use it. Those spots could also be signs of a calcium deficiency. Read Latewood's instructions about GH 3 part and CalMag.

[Krimet]

thanks for the feedback stinky, i havent been using anything but the gh 3 part nutes, until now that is.

[stinkyattic]

Okay cool.
So you know what your next job is, right? Here's the project for this week:
1) Test the res water and set the pH at 6.0. Check it twice a day, adjusting if you have to, until it appears stable. Then just check daily.
2) Start on CalMag Plus.

[Weedhound]

Sounds to me like Stinkster pinned it...... get some Cal Mag and check and keep ph maintened at 5.5-6.2.

GO STINSKTER!! :thumbsup:

[the image reaper]

I want to know what kind of lamp you are using ... that looks like an ultra-violet bulb :wtf:

[Krimet]

ive got a t5 in a reflector, and i bought 2 t8 "grow lights" from menards hardware store, for 12$ each. the t8's put out that violet color.

[the image reaper]

ive got a t5 in a reflector, and i bought 2 t8 "grow lights" from menards hardware store, for 12$ each.

ok, I figured that ... commercial so-called 'growlights' are often more of an ultraviolet bulb, really not recommended, their wavelength spectrums are all over the place ... suggest you replace with cheaper, better lamps ... example: GE 'Cool White' supplies your 'blue' vegging spectrum, while the GE 'Kitchen and Bath' are the warmer 'red' spectrum, for flowering .. you can buy them at WalMart, etc. quite cheaply .. they will fit in your present fixture ... with the fluorescent tubes, you need to keep your plant canopy within an inch or two of the lamp, (at most) ... fluoros just don't 'penetrate', their lumens drop off drastically, as you get further from the bulb ... I grew successfully for many years with only fluoro tubes, they WILL work :thumbsup:

[Krimet]

thanks for that input reaper, plan on changing the bulbs asap.
just got back from lowes, couldnt find a cal/mag +, got a lime deposit to raise my ph level was getting low, it has 38% calcium in it.

[Krimet]

update - 2nd plant is pointing up now wtf? so many fucking things going wrong. :mad:

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[Weedhound]

fyi.....can't substitute stuff like that in hydro. Instead of lime you need to get a good ph up/down for hydro apps. In a BIG pinch you can use distilled white vinegar to lower ph but I personally have never heard of using lime in hydro apps. You need to find a good nute program and follow it .......no improvisations. In my humble opinion that's the biggest problem I see......everyone likes to add/change/substitute etc..... The newbies (and not so noobies) that follow direction are the ones who will get the best grow. ;)

Good luck with your plants. :)

[Krimet]

thanks weedhound, instead of using lime, ive mixed distilled and tap water along with doing the 3 part nute, hope this take care of the spots on the plants. cant make it to the hydro store that is 5 hours away today, or in the next week for that matter,which is the only place i know to have cal/mag plus. ph is now at a stable 6.0

[Weedhound]

Now you're cooking! If you can use your tap water and the ph stays stable then you don't need CalMAg at all......CalMag replaces calcium, magnesium, iron etc that is taken out of your water when it is distilled or put through an RO system. Plants NEED these minerals and ingredients for good health.....and they are usually in abundance in tap water.

When using tap water....check ppms BEFORE you add nutes, add your correct number of nutes in ADDITION to that number, then check and adjust ph last....always ph last.

The largest issue people have with certain types of tap water (and why it is often not used in hydro) is that certain types of water will not stay at a stable ph.....so when you remove EVERYTHING from the water you can control ph any way you want. But the catch is that certain things the plant NEEDS will have to be put BACK in with supplements like CalMag.

IF your tap water will stay stable (at close to whatever ph you put it at to start with) then you are good to go and don't need CalMag at all......just your nutes.

[Weedhound]

PS.....I'd probably try just tap water and nutes instead of adding any distilled.....tap water and nutes is a more healthy mix for your plants. ;)

edit: you can raise ph with baking soda.......but like vinegar neither is a good thing to use on a normal basis.

[Krimet]

The whole point of going distlled was to lower the ppms for my seedlings, my tap is at 320 ppm, just over the recommended amount.
i also got a little dial from lowes that tells me how many lumens im getting, it says around 500 next to my plants with the t5 n t8, is that good enough for veg?

[Krimet]

weedhound, whats your opinion on me keeping these plants in this bucket till harvest? even if i might suffer on plant size, is it big enough?

[Weedhound]

With a ppm of 320 a fifty-fifty mix of water might work for you......definitely worth trying.

Can't help you with the lighting I'm afraid....reaper can tell you about that way better than I can.

There's a thread around here somewhere about keeping those things in small containers......let me look around......

[Weedhound]

Ok....couldn't find what I was looking for BUT imo....that's not enough room. Are all your plants female?

[Krimet]

I have no clue, i want the most yield in the shortest time possible being that its my first grow, so i dont think i will take the time to find out if they're female or not before hand.after reading around i think something like LSTing would help with yield, even tho i still have no clue what LSTing eactly is.

[Weedhound]

Well you have several issues getting in your way........your lighting really is not enough to flower with decently. With the size of your system, your resevoir and your lighting you'll probably end up with a few grams per plant if all goes well. :wtf: That's not a lot of ganja for several months work, time and money is it? Growing on a budget.....especially in hydro.......usually doesn't work too well. :( The only REAL way to grow low budget is outside in soil. Just my :twocents:


If you grew from seeds you'll still have to get rid of the males after you've sexed them and by that time the roots will be all tangled together which will make removing the males from the system a lot tougher without harming the remaining females. Sometimes you can just cut the males off and leave the roots.....but I've seen issues from that as well.

By the time you are well into flowering with that system you'll be having rootbound issues due to the size and ALSO (due to the res size) you'll be having to check levels, adjust ph constantly and continually add water to keep the plants nute level sufficient and balance for the plants.

Wish I could find that old thread.......it was a perfect example of a crash and burn from someone trying to do too much with too little. I'll keep looking......

[Krimet]

i do plan on getting a 400 watts hps light from htgsupply, i wont be using any ventilation system. even if i did decide to move the plants into another medium, could i do it with the plant in a 3" cup of hydroton.

[Weedhound]

There you go......400w hps.....good for you. :thumbsup: One down. Are they in 3inch net pots?

[Krimet]

Yes they are net pots. after looking i was thinking about just simply getting the next biggest version of my hydro system, which would be the gh rainforest 66 model. any cheaper or even better ideas out there?

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few white spots now on the smallest, droopy plant.

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[Weedhound]

Ok......your plants need some calcium and magnesium and iron and all those cool things that are missing from distilled water. That's why you seeing all sorts of different deficencies there and they are all mixed together. The fluctuating ph (being adjusted with home products instead of proper hydro products no less....ahem.....:D) doesn't help either and can slow down growth significantly as well as prevent nutrient uptake by being out of correct range.

You won't really see improvement to those leaves so watch for normal looking NEW growth. If the new growth isn't really healthy then consider using all tap water and no distilled at all.

You can build a DWC system once your plants have some roots to hang below into the medium. A DWC is basically a large rubbermaid type res with a bunch of airstones/air diffusers added to allow enough oxygen to the roots to keep them healthy. Do a google search......very easy to diy.

[Krimet]

Thanks alot for all the feedback weedhound. you've been very helpful.

Once i get my dwc setup, and a 400w hps , i should be able to get a decent yield from these plants, right? As long as i have taken care of the nute problems.

[Weedhound]

All other factors good......you should. ;)

[Krimet]

you have any airstones you would recommend for my dwc? preferably one from wal-mart, petsmart, etc.

[Weedhound]

Go check out the last few pages of pages of my C crowd grow log and it has a pic of what I use. It's for hydro apps but I like them better for bigger tubs.

Also the Redwood Log (page one) shows a basic DWC setup in a large container.

[Krimet]

Thanks again weedhound, is the pump what makes the big difference in those? and if so do u know where i could get one besides a hydro store.

[Weedhound]

Yeah the pump really does make the difference but let me warn you they are LOUD. I'm sure you could find something fairly close in a pet store......tell them you havea REALLY BIG fishtank to aerate.....;)

[Weedhound]

PS......or online perhaps?

[Krimet]

im trying to stay away from buying online as long as possible, i've heard of some businesses reporting to the police when somebody buys a large hydro or lighting system.

[Weedhound]

Well check out a good pet store.....tell them you have a 100 gallon tank or something.......how about ordering online from a pet store?

[Krimet]

Just got my rubbermaid,it holds 18 gal, also got 2 24'' "cool white" fluoros, got home to find out i need 18'', :mad:, going back out to exchange and get a pump,some hose, and airstones.

[stinkyattic]

Did you ever get your calmag and stabilize your pH? That's STILL the problem!

You probably have only a couple days, a week tops, before those plants die if you don't do something fast. Not only do you need the Ca in distilled (ir even distilled + tap) water, but coco fibre is a known calcium scavenger, and I just noticed you are using coco liners in your pots. I never use those liners, and that's one of the reasons- the other being introduction of extraneous organic matter into what is a perfectly serviceable hydroton system. Kinda defeats part of the purpose. Also, what is the grainy whitish stuff in the liners?

[Krimet]

The liners came with the hydroton, net pots, and pump that i got in my hydroponics. I didnt kno there were cocoa liners, let alone the white stuff in it, sorry i couldn't tell you. Thanks for the input, how do u suggest i go about taking those out now that the roots have grow through them? or can I.

By mixing distilled and tap what i hope i did fix the cal/mag problem. Ph is as stable as it will get until i can put the hydroton, that the plants are in, through a water and bleach mix.


Got my dwc up! I have a 20-60 gallon pump along with a 10'' airstone. Got 2 "cool white" bulbs to replace my ultra-violet ones.

[Krimet]

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[stinkyattic]

Don't pull the nets out, they will damage the roots.
You didn't fix the Ca problem unless your tap water happens to have twice the Calcium and trace minerals needed... unlikely. YOU NEED CALMAG. I promise!

I'm not sure how bleach will stabilize your pH? Bleach is a sodium compound, very very dangerous to plants at even relatively low concentrations. It would also RAISE the pH, and hydroton tends to drift UP.

The correct way to stabilize the pH of your system (since you now have plants in it and have to do the whole thing), is to get a pH up/down/indicator kit and just keep checking the res every ~12 hours or so and adjusting the pH until it is completely stable, with all the stuff in the system running (air stone/pump/other).

Here's some reading on the concept of pH:
pH - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH)

Hope that helps. There's no getting around basic hydro techniques, and doing daily pH checks, and, yes, adjustments too if you have to, is one of them. Using CalMag with a distilled water source is another. Jsut mixing in some more tap water isn't going to solve an existing calcium deficiency; in fact, I'd personally go so far as to foliar feed a weak solution of the stuff since you are already in the fix-or-die stage or the deficiency. But still add it to the res.

Do Weedhound's troubleshooting method:
Start with your source water. The EC should be very low.
Add your CalMag until EC reads 300ppm. This gives you the 'ideal' mock tap water that plants like in hydro.
Then add your one part grow or bloom until you reach 600 ppm.
Check and adjust your pH to right around 6.0.
Check back in a day or so for signs that you need to raise or lower your main fertilizer.

This is pretty much a basic black-beans-n-rice diet for your plants. It's the minimum they need to be happy in hydro.

[Weedhound]

I like the DWC tub......you'll need more airstones asap......but like Stinky I'm really not sure where the bleach part fits in.........

[Krimet]

I thought i had read some where that you should soak your hydroton with a mix of light bleach water. i might be mistaking. I know bleach is bad for you plants, which is why i said i would have to wait to treat the hydroton.

[Krimet]

got more airstones. When should i switch mediums? flower time?

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[Weedhound]

When are you going to turn them? I ask because it would be a LOT better if you sexed them before moving them over to their new home and before all their roots grow together.

[Krimet]

I dont know really, what your opinion? the 2 plants on the right are 3 1/2 weeks old...while the biggest one on the left, which is suppose to be northern lights, is at 2 1/2 weeks old.

[Krimet]

Update.

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[Weedhound]

wow...short one i guess......

[Krimet]

I think i might pull the shortest one on the right, maybe even the middle one, they're both at 4 weeks old while the 1st on the left is at 3 weeks. kinda of thinking i might be wasting my time with these plants.

[Weedhound]

Krimet don't give up on them yet. If you think they are getting better give them a bit more time. I've had some plants that I swore weren't worth a plugged nickel and they turned out to be some nice plants at the end so you never know with these "weeds" once you get dialed in. ;)

[Krimet]

Made a trip to the hydro store. got some reflective material, cal/mag plus, liquid karma, and a ph up and down kit. 85$
I hope it pays off in the end.

[Weedhound]

Good! Now go GET THOSE PLANTS!! Sic em! :D

[Weedhound]

They really look to me like they are starting to get there. Are you using a zyme product or some hydrogen peroxide?

[Weedhound]

I just went back over page one and looked at the photos.....they are definitely better....give them a week before turning. I notice you have all three of them next to each other in the smaller res.....how about trying to spread them out to keep potential root troubles at bay.

Speaking of....how long ARE your roots now? They need to be hanging somewhat in the water for DWC to work. Are yourr long enough for the larger tub?

[Krimet]

Roots have definitely gotten long enough for large tub. I wanna wait and sex them first like you said. They're not near big enough yet. I haven't been using hydrogen peroxide, I don't use any zyme product. What's is it?


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tell me thats not a big upgrade :p

[Krimet]

More pics.

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[Weedhound]

You can use hydrogen peroxide to help keep your roots in healthy condition and assist in keeping root rot at bay. The other option (which is better for your plants but more expensive as well....) is using a zyme product like Sensizym, Cannazym which helps keep your roots healthy. Zyme products can also assist with keeping the ph stable in your res as well.

PS....Most zyme products are enzymes so can't be mixed with Hydrogen peroxide.t's one or the other generally.

You need more light for those plants.....the stuff you are using is not doing it for branching and bushiness while growing.

[Weedhound]

PS.....For standard H2o2 (store bought....3%) i use 2 tsp per gallon every other day.

[Krimet]

I've kinda ran outta money, cant get more for a few weeks either. By then, i will need my 400w hps. Is it fine to keep these 3 lights until then? Any tips on where i should put the 3rd?

[Krimet]

Hope this will due for my veg box.

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[Krimet]

Whats everyones thoughts on the 100$ 400w hps lights from htgsupply.com? I was told by some1 whos been in hydro for 20 years that it would cost the company more then 100$ to make it, let alone sell it for that price. She told me it was to good to be true.

[Weedhound]

Never heard of the place.

[Weedhound]

Hey Krimet....the website looked ok to me. That's just my opinion.....not my $100 like it is yours. But if I WERE going to buy it I'd call them on the phone. They look pretty legit I think..

Can you use the same light for vegging? OR are you going to have two seperate grow areas? If not......grab an mh conversion bulb (if you have the $$)for vegging.

[Shovelhandle]

I spent $170 for the 400 watt remote ballast, reflector, HPS lamp and MH conv lamp. I see the $95 unit and I'd rather go with the remote ballast than the ballast in the hood. If the ballast is new and not referbished then it is a great deal. The plants will love it. Also, my MH failed and they are pretty good about the one year warrantee on the lamps. I have one coming from UPS today. The ballast has a three year warrantee. I'd buy again from them, they have great prices and ship right out quick.

shov

[Weedhound]

Shov do you think the hood would get too hot for a small space?

[Krimet]

Thanks shov! That hood is a deal tho, I can't find anything else remotely close to its price, and I am so broke right now. I will split my grow area into 2 have have a veg and flower box. Plants love the new solution with cal/mag and liquid karma, they're coming back very fast. Pics later tonight.

[Krimet]

Update.
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[smok3y]

Plants are lookin a lot better dude.. I bet your happy you didnt pull them now?

Just stick in there and you will produce some nice bud..
Patients is the key...

Good luck with the rest of you grow:thumbsup:

:jointsmile:

[Krimet]

Hell yeah I am. Thanks for the reinsurance smokey.

I've got a bit of a heat problem now, it was getting close to 83 degrees. Any tips on how to fix this cheaply, haha. I had 1 fan on it, put another in the closet. I do not have the money for ventilation.

[Weedhound]

83 isn't bad....85 I'd really start to frown. Once you add the new lighting you WILL need some way to cool it......the light will put off some heat itself.

[Krimet]

that 83 was takin from the wall right next to the lights, I know under those lights it's another 2-4 degrees, even if they're weak fluoro's

[Weedhound]

starting to frown.....

Krimet you can only do the best you can so even if things aren't perfect lots of time plants do just fine. Don't stress over stuff that hasn't happened yet. Just plan ahead the best you can.

[Krimet]

Update - growing a lot.

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[Weedhound]

Yeah they're starting to grow good now. Watch those roots and make sure they don't tangle together for when you move them to the bigger space. Also keep an eye out for pre-flowers....you may be getting close to that point once they stack on a bit more size.

[Krimet]

When do I wanna throw them under 12/12 lighting? Another week? Tomorrow is the 5th week for the first 2 while the third will be on its 4th week.

[JohnnyRico]

When do I wanna throw them under 12/12 lighting? Another week? Tomorrow is the 5th week for the first 2 while the third will be on its 4th week.

I would wait at least 2-4 weeks. Let them heal and grow bit bigger and stronger.

[Krimet]

Trying lst.
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[Krimet]

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[Krimet]

Update - Can you tell whether their male or female yet?

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[Weedhound]

No but your pics need to be more clear. Those plants look pretty damn good Krimet...good job bringing them back. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Hey I think I see a preflower one of them.....the one with the dead lower leaves....I think I see a pre flower near your white yarn there.

Now Krimet.....stop playing with them and let them grow or you will stress in them into hermies or poor yield or something. The more you do all those things like lst etc the stress you put on the plants and yours need as little stress as possible.

Also watch where you tie them cause they can outgrow the string pretty fast and it will choke off your branch or stem or whatever you have tied there so check all your branches etc often to make sure they aren't being choked off.

Good luck.

[Krimet]

Thanks a lot weedhound. You've been very helpful. I'm going to try and get clearer pics up asap.

[Weedhound]

Its the plant in the middle.....check the nodes along the main stem....I think I see a preflower on there.

[Krimet]

I did a quick check and I have no clue on whats what really, it all looks like secondary leaf to me.

[Weedhound]

It looks like 2 little white hairs coming out from the node. The plant in the middle, third node up, on the left side in the photo. It helps to have a magnifying glass.....they are pretty small.

[djmidnight22]

hey kremit, been quietly following your grow, n was wondering how your going to manage the heat issue in your flower room, i'm currently running a 400w hps in my closet with an oscilating fan and temps remain stable at about 80 degrees. major props for keepin your hydro grow goin. Good luck! :D

[Krimet]

what up djmidnight, I haven't really done too much, but I have changed the light cycle to be off, and made the pump turn on a little more, during the hottest time of day,

[Krimet]

Update
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I believe the 3rd is showing a preflower of a piston, but it's too new for me to be sure. Camera sucks to much to get a shot of it up close.

[Krimet]

couple more

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[Krimet]

Still not the best pic, anyone got a guess on the sex?, I cant really see hairs coming from it.
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[Krimet]

Update, while trying to lst a plant it snapped in half :mad:. Other plants looking great.
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[Weedhound]

You are now a true grower Krimet....welcome. Branch snapping is a basic....:D

I don't really know your setup....but can when do you run your lights on....day or night?
I have heard of people running the lights at night and off during the day to try to assist with heat issues. Dont know if it would help you guys or not. Just a thought.....;)

[Krimet]

thanks wh, i have already set my lights to turn on later in the day and it does help. btw I think I see my first hairs coming from the preflower on my nothern lights.

[Krimet]

Update, not to sure but I think I have starting signs of root rot.
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[moneyshotpb]

are your reservoir temps in the 80's also??

[Krimet]

My grow room stays under 85 degrees, but barely, i've never actually taken a res temp, i'm guessing about 80

[moneyshotpb]

res needs to be around 70 or less to prevent root rot

[Krimet]

no shit? I did not know the res could be too warm. I was always told you want it warm so the nutes flourish in the water.

[Krimet]

Another thing, I noticed the root roting was only taking place in the air pocket of my res. Is that still from the heat?

[Weedhound]

Money is right Krimet.....80 is too warm. 70 is considered ideal in hydro....going up from there increases your chance of rot.

I personally think your roots look pretty good right there....there is SOME browning but that actually may be staining from your nutes.

Are you using a zyme product such as Cannazym, Hydrozyme or something similar? You really NEED something especially if your res temps are that high. It will help alot with keeping your roots healthy.

Also consider a good flush to help get rid excess salts, ferts etc that build up in your medium and cause their own issues with root rot, fungus, disease etc....

Krimet your plants look quite good. Good work and healthy, happy looking plants. :thumbsup:

[Krimet]

I have only been using h2o2 like you said, 2ml per gal every other day.Should I also top my lst'ed plant so that it can focus on its secondary growth?

[Weedhound]

If you are into flower then no....don't top because you won't get more growth at this point...it will just stay gone. All your good topping chances are over. In looking at the photo above of your plants I see perhaps 3 leaves sticking out over buds that I would remove....the rest I would leave as is. They look great and will use those extra leaves later on for energy and nutrition.

I forgot I told you to use H202....are you using the hydro kind (35%) or the regular grocery store bought stuff (3%)? That will work for you for root health as far as killiing stuff off but is missing a few of the things in the zyme products. But i'd stay with your H202 for now since it seems to be doing a good job for you..

PS....Rinse the dark portion of your roots off with some plain H202/ph'd water and see if the brown stuff rinses off. I have a feeling it will. ;)

[Krimet]

Would you remove any secondary leaves that are bigger and covering other bud sites.

[Weedhound]

Yes...as I said I see about three of them but you can also bend them under which is even better....I'm a very firm believer in the less is more prune theory. The other thing is your plant will change and grow daily. This is where I start getting into issues.....I pull a leaf and the next day I have to pull another one....next thing you know the plant is bald because every day it changes a little bit and grows a little more. So my rule generally is to bend it back out of the way if it will stay there great....if I have to bend it back daily for 3 days then I'll yank it. ;)

[Krimet]

Update - got a fem clone from a friend, leaves do stand back up when under dome.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/Krimet07/003-12.jpg
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[Weedhound]

Cute clone.....what strain do you know?

Your plants are really coming along Krimet....good job!!

[Krimet]

They told me it was called black indy, supposed lowryder cross. I also got a vial full of bubblicious x sage seeds.

[Weedhound]

Black Indy!! Sounds very exotic!! Good luck with her.

[Krimet]

Big update - got 2 plants that were not being taken care of from a friend. Move 2 of my plants into the dwc tub. Also got my friends 400w hps light.

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[Krimet]

My last plant still in the bucket

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[hydrocannabis]

lookin good bro.:D :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Congrats on your new light!!

That last plant looks pretty happy and healthy. :thumbsup:

[Krimet]

have a huge heat problem, around 90 degrees with my new light. Dont' know what I am going to do.

[Krimet]

update -

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[Krimet]

I believe this plant is male, Anything i can do with this?

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/Krimet07/002-10.jpg

[Shovelhandle]

I believe this plant is male, Anything i can do with this?

Yes, you can make seeds in all your females. I would remove it.

Shov

[Krimet]

Update -Still hot as hell, trying my best to keep light far enough away. I killed the male and put the last plant from veg under the hps. I have 3 new babies (bubblegum x S.A.G.E.) in the veg box, I'll get pics of them later.

1st pic: Black Indy #1
2nd pic: Black Indy #1
3rd pic: Left side bagseed #1 Right Side bagseed #2
4th pic : Black Indy #2



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[KingKronic420]

seems like you have some good friends.

and some nice plants.

keep up the good work!:smokin:

[JohnnyRico]

At first, pretty amazing job with that Black Indy!:thumbsup:

But, I think somethings wrong with her. She might have a slight Potassium deficiency. Are those leaves yellow at all? Its pretty hard to tell the real colour when she's under the lights. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

[painretreat]

Good read for learning with great pictures. Illistrated a lot of things I do not understand. Guess best tool is a good camera and second, how to use it. Is it possible to buy a system complete to gro in (which will last for long term use) without having to do all this adjusting and re-doing, etc. Seems having to re-do, change, etc would be most expensive for these cheap grows. I seem to get that you do need different lights for different results? Trying to learn so I don't burn out myself and pocket book with too many changes. Cannot decide which is best hydro or soil! Am reading both and everyone has a preference, just as in cars. So, easy, light weight, least work--well a good lazy way! The pics on tying were helpful, have seen some in past but not this clear. Surely, other places and a lot more to read! Thanks to all. pr

[Krimet]

The leave are pretty green actually, just a lot of burnt spots. I have had 3 fans going 24/7 and now moved the light 18" away from the tops.

[Krimet]

painretreat I don't have much experience, but indoors I believe soil is for the cheap and lazy grower. A 5gal pot, soil, ferts, and a light.

[Krimet]

Walked into my closet today and my bagseed #1 is showing her first pubes! Can't get a clear enough pic yet.

[Krimet]

Update - Killed another male. The rest of my plants are female.

pic 1 : bagseed #1
pic 2 : bagseed #1
pic 3 : bagseed #1
pic 4 : black indy #2 I found out this plant was actually a afghan strain, now named Afghanie, suppose to come out so dark purp it looks black
pic 5 : Afghanie
pic 6 : Leftbagseed #1 Middleblack Indy #1 Right Afghanie

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[Krimet]

Update
pic 1 - black indy
pic 2 - black indy
pic 3 - black indy
pic 4 - Afghanie
pic 5 - Afghanie
pic 6 - Bagseed
pic 7 - Bagseed

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[Krimet]

Update - Snapped another damn limb! other then that, everything is looking great.

Pic 1 - All 3 plants.
Pic 2 - Bagseed
pic 3 - Black Indy
Pic 4 - Afghanie
Pic 5 - Afghanie
Pic 6 - Afghanie

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[tokr2153]

looking good but i can c that heat is deffently a problem. do u have a intake and a exhaust to take out the warm or hot air if not i think it may be time to invest but over all i do c some very nice buds good ;)luck

[Krimet]

I still do not have an air intake/exhaust. I do not have the money, nor do I trust myself to do it. Heat is def still a problem. Doesn't get over 85 tho. Thanks for lookin.

[Krimet]

Broke a stem on Black Indy!!!!!! O, well it was time to sample anyways. Here's 1 bud of a few.

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk296/Krimet07/011-4.jpg
Let me know what you think!

[shadow218]

not to run on your parade but i would deff find out all the problems with your plants because the have all sorts of nute deficiency or some sort of other problems, there is a huge list on google, i would check it out if i were you :p