"Us" in Genesis

[zeitgeist]

"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have domination over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

I am stumped to who else in us can be. Anyone have any ideas?

[40oz]

I'm not sure, I've wondered that too. Maybe god is crazy and he was talking to himself.


oh and if you switch god and man the sentence makes perfect sense...well almost

[PamStoner]

If you read THE EARTH CHRONICLES by Zacharia Sitchin....You will understand.

There are 6 books...the first should answer this question.....

[40oz]

If you read THE EARTH CHRONICLES by Zacharia Sitchin....You will understand.

There are 6 books...the first should answer this question.....

care to summarize for those of us afraid of books?

[zeitgeist]

I read a little about the author and his writings are supposed to be utterly amazing becasue of the priceless onformation within.

The first book is the 12th planet correct?
I can get one for $4.50 shipped on Amazon.

[Coelho]

Man... this versicle which say "us" is among the ones most debated and confusing in the entire Bible... im sure a student of theology would tell you about all the controversies that arised from this "us"... as it gives rise to endless speculations about who are this "us", cause we usually learn that God is One.
I myself dont know, and have not the slightest idea about it.

[Kokujin X]

When the LORD, the father, says us, who else could it be?

As Jesus said in John 8:58 "before Abraham was, I Am"

Jesus was there in the beginning of man with the father, and when the LORD said let's make man in our image, in our likeness, hes speaking for him and his son, Jesus.

[JeffersonBud]

Don't forget the holy spirit. Three parts to a trinity. Not me, not we, but us

[zeitgeist]

Okay that make sense. God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

But now, what is the Holy Spirit?

[JeffersonBud]

Thats easy. The Holy Spirit is God and Jesus. haha. but they are all 1

[Storm Crow]

I see things a bit differently!

Let's look at the 10 commandments...Right up at the top is "Thou shalt not have any other Gods before me." To me that reads, Jehovah needs to be #1 and it is OK to worship the other Gods...as long as any other Gods rank behind him. (This, of course, is standard "priest-talk". Your deity is #1 HAS to be "top God", or you lose followers!) The "WE" is no problem if you look at things this way. And you might find it interesting to look up the terms "Shekhenah" and "Matronit".

And have any of you ever noted how many times kings "did evil in the eyes of the Lord" (i.e. returned to worshiping the Goddess)? Works out about 50/50. In archeological digs in Israel, Asherahs (images of the Goddess) are found in every era- in spite of what the Bible says. An over-all interesting (but in some spots, slow and boring) book is Merlin Stone's "When God was a Woman". Your local library can get it for you.

And while I'm at it, let me tell you about Jezebel! She got SUCH a bad rap! She was born in the spring- on the equivalent of Easter. Her name meant "The Lord (Baal) is risen!" Her parents were a priest/king and priestess/queen. She fell in love with a visiting Jewish prince and married him. She was obsessed with him! He was handsome, but slightly crazy. She left her "big city" home to live with him in his "backwater" kingdom.

Things were not easy for Jezebel- the local priests demanded that she give up her Goddess based religion- she refused and made enemies; she was basically alone in a foreign country; and to top it off, her husband's behavior was erratic. He decided to "turn his face to the wall" (die of starvation) when he couldn't buy a certain vinyard! Jezebel wasn't about to let that happen, she loved him, so she "arranged things". The vinyard owner died and hubby got his vinyard.

As queen, Jezebel would take time from her day whenever a funeral procession would go by and walk a ways with the mourners. People would clap as part of the mourning ritual. Jezebel, the queen, walked and clapped with every one of them. This is why when she was murdered, supposedly, only the palms of her hands and the soles of her feet were not eaten by the city's scavenger dogs (because she had mourned "good Jews" and partly redeemed herself).

She loved her husband, a bit excessively. She supported the elderly (pensioners)- who were later murdered in cold blood by the patriarchal priests during the revolution. She had her pride, too. When faced with death by a mob, she dressed herself in her finest clothes and faced them as a queen. They threw her from a window to the street below.

I've just always felt she got a bad rap! - Granny:hippy:

[Coelho]

I see things a bit differently!

Let's look at the 10 commandments...Right up at the top is "Thou shalt not have any other Gods before me." To me that reads, Jehovah needs to be #1 and it is OK to worship the other Gods...as long as any other Gods rank behind him.

Yet... in Matthew 6:24 is said :
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon."

So, if anyone believes in the truth of the Bible, one has to have one, and only one God to worship.

[Storm Crow]

mammon:1, material wealth 2, (cap) the apotheosis of riches and avarice. (apotheosis means the personification of an idea or concept)

I note you did not capitalize "mammon". It is hard to chase money and keep your soul- no matter what religion you espouse.

I'll just leave everyone with an old Chinese saying....

There are many paths up the mountain...The view from the top is the same.

Granny:hippy: (making my own path up the mountain)

[PamStoner]

I read a little about the author and his writings are supposed to be utterly amazing becasue of the priceless onformation within.

The first book is the 12th planet correct?
I can get one for $4.50 shipped on Amazon.

Yes it is! And if you go to Barnes and Noble you will save the shipping or maybe even find it on the shelves.

Zacharia Sitchin is a Jewish bible scholar who says that Sumerian writings found have told of an ancient race that came here to mine gold, created our race as slaves adding their own DNA to what was prehistoric man. It explains the missing link as well as most other mysteries as to where modern man came from and why there was suddenly civilization out of no where.
These are very very interesting books but not for the faint hearted, and you need excellent reading skill. But they are well worth the trouble.

[Coelho]

mammon:1, material wealth 2, (cap) the apotheosis of riches and avarice. (apotheosis means the personification of an idea or concept)

I note you did not capitalize "mammon". It is hard to chase money and keep your soul- no matter what religion you espouse.

I agree completly with it.
But the second sentence does not invalidate the first. Still no one can serve two masters, be they mammon, or money, or any other god or deity.



I'll just leave everyone with an old Chinese saying....

There are many paths up the mountain...The view from the top is the same.

It is very true. But i dont know how well it fits in other things than mountain climbing... as Bible also says:

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

[zeitgeist]

It is very true. But i dont know how well it fits in other things than mountain climbing... as Bible also says:

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

But then Ive always wondered about all the people that have never even been exposed to Jesus Christ. It's not their fault so I think that God has a plan for them also

[Readytoride08]

Yes it is! And if you go to Barnes and Noble you will save the shipping or maybe even find it on the shelves.

Zacharia Sitchin is a Jewish bible scholar who says that Sumerian writings found have told of an ancient race that came here to mine gold, created our race as slaves adding their own DNA to what was prehistoric man. It explains the missing link as well as most other mysteries as to where modern man came from and why there was suddenly civilization out of no where.
These are very very interesting books but not for the faint hearted, and you need excellent reading skill. But they are well worth the trouble.

If that's true then Ammunaki may be returning in 2012.This time to time the job what ever perpous that is!