Ice Cap Alarmists Cherry Pick Science To Fit Carbon Emissions Theory

[pisshead]

Ice Cap Alarmists Cherry Pick Science To Fit Carbon Emissions Theory
Ice extent is actually approaching second highest level since records began

Steve Watson
Infowars.net (http://infowars.net/index.html)
Thursday, March 27, 2008
A spate of alarmist articles in the media over the past few days have attempted to cause a frothing wave of panic concerning an accelerated melting of Arctic and Antarctic ice caps. However, the basic facts of the matter reveal that the science to prove this theory simply does not stack up.
The cause of the great thawing? Carbon emissions of cause. The solution? Carbon taxes.
UN climate chief warns of 'accelerated melting' of ice caps (http://www.terradaily.com/2007/080326132628.pbxkkbr5.html) was the AFP headline yesterday that announced the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) call for international tariffs on carbon emissions:

"Now there's enough evidence to show that there is accelerated melting of some of these large bodies of ice; west Antarctic ice-sheet, the Greenland ice-sheet," Rajendra Pachauri told reporters.
[...]
His comments came after satellite images by the University of Colorado's National Snow and Ice Data Center showed Antarctica's massive Wilkins Ice Shelf has begun disintegrating under the effects of global warming.
The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23433534-11949,00.html) further reported:

British Antarctic Survey scientist David Vaughan said the collapse was the result of global warming.
Scientists said they are not concerned about a rise in sea level from the latest event, but say it's a sign of worsening global warming. Such occurrences are â??more indicative of a tipping point or trigger in the climate system,â?� said Sarah Das, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute in the US.
Vaughan also told the New Scientist that the Wilkins shelf was 'hanging by a thread' (http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn13530-antarctic-ice-shelf-hanging-by-a-thread.html)
So the ice caps are all melting and it's panic stations, we need more taxes on carbon now, right?
Not according to Certified Consultant Meteorologist and Executive Director of ICECAP, International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, Joseph Dâ??Aleo (http://icecap.us/index.php/go/experts), who does not receive any funding from corporate interests and provides (http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-climate) a somewhat bigger picture:

Letâ??s put this in perspective. The account may be misinterpreted by some as the ice cap or a significant (vast) portion is collapsing. In reality it and all the former shelves that collapsed are small and most near the Antarctic peninsula which sticks well out from Antarctica into the currents and winds of the South Atlantic and lies in a tectonically active region with surface and subsurface active volcanic activity (http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/surprise-theres-an-active-volcano-under-antarctic-ice/). The vast continent has actually cooled since 1979.
The full Wilkins 6,000 square mile ice shelf is just 0.39% of the current ice sheet (just 0.1% of the extent last September). Only a small portion of it between 1/10th-1/20th of Wilkins has separated so far, like an icicle falling off a snow and ice covered house. And this winter is coming on quickly. In fact the ice is returning so fast, it is running an amazing 60% ahead (4.0 vs 2.5 million square km extent) of last year when it set a new record. The ice extent is already approaching the second highest level for extent since the measurements began by satellite in 1979 and just a few days into the Southern Hemisphere fall season and 6 months ahead of the peak. Wilkins like all the others that temporarily broke up will refreeze soon. We are very likely going to exceed last yearâ??s record. Yet the world is left with the false impression Antarcticaâ??s ice sheet is also starting to disappear.
D'Aleo also points out that last year when the Antarctic set a new record for ice extent, it got no media attention. Instead the media focused on the Arctic regions where the ice set record low levels. Earlier this year the ice cover in the Antarctic again continued to reach highs but was still ignored. Now a portion of the Wilkins shelf has broken away, suddenly the entire Antarctic is in grave peril of collapsing into the sea, according to the media and the selected few "experts" they quote.
Furthermore, it is entirely natural (http://www.igsoc.org/journal/54/184/j07J086.pdf) for sections of ice shelves to break away. In both polar regions, the cold climate causes water to fall from the air and form snow and ice. The ice that covers the land then becomes glaciers which are subject to movement as gravity weighs down on them, forcing them to the shorelines of each continent.
Then the glaciers spread across the surface of the Arctic and Antarctic oceans, forming temporary ice shelves which constantly drift and break over periods of time with seasonal and tidal changes helping to form cracks and weaknesses. When the colder weather returns, the shelves refreeze.
With different weather systems, fluctuations in tectonic activity and solar activity, the process is never the same and levels of ice have forever fluctuated on the planet for millions of years.
To suggest that a small portion of an ice shelf breaking is suddenly something completely new and frightening is patently ludicrous.
Indeed, as this figure (http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg) from Cryosphere Today (http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/) highlights, current world ice levels have now reached 1 million square kilometers above normal. You can see the fluctuation from season to season and that in the warmer seasons there is no doubt that in recent years there has been a more erratic trend in ice levels. However, this shifts both ways.
Furthermore, as we have previously highlighted, data from all four major global temperature tracking outlets shows (http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature%2BMonitors%2BReport%2BWorldwide%2BGlob al%2BCooling/article10866.htm?a) that the Earth is no longer getting warmer and that we are now actually in a post-warming period of global cooling.
Other scientists backed this claim and have asserted that warming stopped some years ago (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/180607_b_Climate.htm).
We also know that Antarctic ice core samples show that the rise in carbon dioxide levels actually lags behind temperature rise by 800 years, and therefore cannot be the cause of it. The documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2007/090307warminghoax.htm) exposed how Al Gore, in his film Inconvenient Truth, deliberately reversed these figures to claim CO2 causes temperature change, when in fact the opposite is the case.
When the AFP quotes some scientist saying that the ice caps are "hanging by a thread" with no actual scientific facts to back up the claim, the reaction should be to investigate and to debate the claim.
Instead we have politicians and the UN frothing and immediately announcing that the ice caps are all melting because of carbon emissions. Their pre-prepared solution, of course, is to embrace carbon taxes and offsetting measures, the companies behind which are now being bought up by vast globalist entities such as JP Morgan (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/mar/27/jpmorgan.greenbusiness/print).
More - Man Made Global Warming Hoax Archive (http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/global_warming/index.htm)

[McLeodGanja]

We should be worrying more about the stuff that's already melted.

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[Mississippi Steve]

Scientists cause cancer in laboratory animals.

[TomStoner]

I hope you guys live on high ground because global warming is very real and many countries in the world are going to have their coastlines changed, the world has known of the greenhouse effect since the 1950's but has only just started to reluctantly acknowledge that it is really happening. The US and Australian governments have had a lot do do with the bullshit propaganda about it being a hoax, we had a change of government and they immediately signed the Kyoto agreement which now leaves the US as the only "developed" country in the world not agreeing to cut it's carbon emissions.

One thing all governments around the world have in common is that they tell us lies, America's is reputed to be one of the worst offenders for suppressing news and information that is "not in the nationâ??s best interest". These "responsible leaders" have lied to us about cannabis, reasons for going to war and more so why the hell would we trust them to tell us the truth about global warming until it is too late. Our countries went to war in Iraq to free the people from a tyrant, yet they don't seem to have considered doing anything similar to free the starving millions in the African nations or anywhere else like that, helping these people form a sustainable future would do much more for world peace and cost far fewer lives.

Global warming is happening and the ice caps are melting, this planet was not designed to have this much CO2 and some other gasses in its atmosphere at this stage of its life.

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[fishman3811]

well we are playing russian roulette with the earth.The thing is if the people who dont think global warming is a reality and they are wrong then everyone is fucked on this planet.I am not willing to bet this planets life on a hunch that global warming is not man made.Because if we are wrong then the consequences are way to dire for everyone

[dragonrider]

I hope you guys live on high ground because global warming is very real and many countries in the world are going to have their coastlines changed, the world has known of the greenhouse effect since the 1950's but has only just started to reluctantly acknowledge that it is really happening. The US and Australian governments have had a lot do do with the bullshit propaganda about it being a hoax, we had a change of government and they immediately signed the Kyoto agreement which now leaves the US as the only "developed" country in the world not agreeing to cut it's carbon emissions.

One thing all governments around the world have in common is that they tell us lies, America's is reputed to be one of the worst offenders for suppressing news and information that is "not in the nationâ??s best interest". These "responsible leaders" have lied to us about cannabis, reasons for going to war and more so why the hell would we trust them to tell us the truth about global warming until it is too late. Our countries went to war in Iraq to free the people from a tyrant, yet they don't seem to have considered doing anything similar to free the starving millions in the African nations or anywhere else like that, helping these people form a sustainable future would do much more for world peace and cost far fewer lives.

Global warming is happening and the ice caps are melting, this planet was not designed to have this much CO2 and some other gasses in its atmosphere at this stage of its life.

:cool:


well we are playing russian roulette with the earth.The thing is if the people who dont think global warming is a reality and they are wrong then everyone is fucked on this planet.I am not willing to bet this planets life on a hunch that global warming is not man made.Because if we are wrong then the consequences are way to dire for everyone

I agree that it is foolish to think that altering the chemical composition of the earth's atmosphere will not have an effect. I don't think we can say FOR SURE what the effect will be, especially in any given locality or any given year.

The climate is a complex system with many different feedback systems that either strengthen or dampen other inputs, so it is very hard to say EXACTLY what will happen. My feeling is that we will experience a time of growing climate chaos, with very unpredictable weather every year. Some years may be much hotter and others much cooler than normal. Some years much wetter and others much drier than normal.

The chaos will be the worst period. After some time, the climate will begin to move in a more predictable direction as it seeks out a new equilibirum, and will eventually fall into a predictable regime, like what we have seen in the past --- but not the SAME as the past. After the new equilibium is achieved, man and nature will adapt to the new hotter or colder, wetter or drier climate that we inherit.

Surviving the chaotic period will be tough though.

[TomStoner]

Earth Hour countdown begins (http://www.theage.com.au/news/earth-hour/earth-hour-countdown/2008/03/29/1206207480177.html)


Australia will tonight lead the world as one of the first nations to observe Earth Hour, the greenhouse awareness initiative born just a year ago in Sydney.

The lights will dim across across the nation's capitals for an hour, and in Melbourne iconic buildings including Flinders Street Station and Federation Square will switch their lights off.

In Sydney it will cast the city's iconic opera house and harbour bridge into darkness.

Earth Hour will be observed around the world at the stroke of 8pm, in each timezone, on March 29.

Only Christchurch in New Zealand and Fiji's Suva were ahead of Australia as the hour rolled around, and more than 30 nations are to follow.

The US cities of San Francisco, Phoenix and Canada's Vancouver will be the final population centres to mark Earth Hour, at 2pm tomorrow Australian-time.

More than 2.2 million Sydneysiders took part in the inaugural Earth Hour, but this year organisers are hoping for a massive and global participation.

"I'm putting my neck on the line but my hope is that we top 100 million people," World Wildlife Fund Australia chief executive Greg Bourne said late today.

"There's 370 cities and municipalities taking part that we know about, and many others as well, so we only need 50 cities of two million people and we'll do it.

"When Canada goes ... tomorrow our time they are estimating some 70 per cent of Canadians will be involved."

Mr Bourne also said Earth Hour, and its images of blacked-out cities, was akin to New Year's Eve as it was celebrated in the world's major cities with fireworks.

"Now we have this image of darkness, and consciousness, going around the world," he said.

"It is a message of hope and optimism ... we the citizens of the world are prepared to take action and we want to defeat climate change."

The core message of Earth Hour is for people to reduce their consumption of electricity, which is usually generated by the burning of fossil fuels.

In Victoria, Flinders Street Station, Federation Square, Eureka Towers Skydeck and the Rialto Towers will be darkened.

A public event will be held at Federation Square, with Victorian Opera, community singers and fire-twirling dancers keeping people entertained.

The Criterion Hotel in the north-central Victorian town of Tatura will also host a pyjama party, with a free beer on offer for those who bring a black balloon along - a symbol of an individual's carbon footprint.

"Pubs do tend to use a fair bit of power and energy," said the pub's licensee Nick Matei.

"We just want to make people more aware, and this is a good point to start."

Many of Brisbane's CBD icons are set to switch off their lights at 8pm, including the Story Bridge and City Hall.

Castlemaine Perkins will for the first time switch off the famous neon lights of its XXXX Man, which stands proudly above its Milton brewery.

In Canberra, more than 100 federal government departments and agencies have signed up to switch off for Earth Hour.

The High Court of Australia, National Library of Australia, Australian War Memorial, Parliament House, National Museum of Australia, National Science and Technology Centre and Royal Australian Mint are among the iconic buildings in Canberra to be switching off their lights.

"Even with a function scheduled on the night, the National Gallery of Australia has signed up to switch off as many lights as possible, to conserve energy for the benefit of our environment," Climate Change Minister Penny Wong said in a statement.

"The Australian government is throwing its full support behind the efforts of WWF in organising Earth Hour."

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[Mississippi Steve]

I hope you guys live on high ground because global warming is very real and many countries in the world are going to have their coastlines changed, the world has known of the greenhouse effect since the 1950's but has only just started to reluctantly acknowledge that it is really happening. The US and Australian governments have had a lot do do with the bullshit propaganda about it being a hoax, we had a change of government and they immediately signed the Kyoto agreement which now leaves the US as the only "developed" country in the world not agreeing to cut it's carbon emissions.

One thing all governments around the world have in common is that they tell us lies, America's is reputed to be one of the worst offenders for suppressing news and information that is "not in the nationâ??s best interest". These "responsible leaders" have lied to us about cannabis, reasons for going to war and more so why the hell would we trust them to tell us the truth about global warming until it is too late. Our countries went to war in Iraq to free the people from a tyrant, yet they don't seem to have considered doing anything similar to free the starving millions in the African nations or anywhere else like that, helping these people form a sustainable future would do much more for world peace and cost far fewer lives.

Global warming is happening and the ice caps are melting, this planet was not designed to have this much CO2 and some other gasses in its atmosphere at this stage of its life.

:cool:

So global warming is responsible for haveing record snowfall and record low temperatures this winter?? What??

[TomStoner]

So global warming is responsible for haveing record snowfall and record low temperatures this winter?? What??Yeah, research it a bit and you'll understand.

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[pisshead]

So global warming is responsible for haveing record snowfall and record low temperatures this winter?? What??

just put on your doublethink hat and ignore everything that doesn't tell you we're all going to die from global warming unless we pay new global taxes to a corrupt elite.

i posted enough links at the top though, worth a look at least.

[dragonrider]

So global warming is responsible for haveing record snowfall and record low temperatures this winter?? What??

I don't think anyone would claim that Global Warming is responsible for any particular record snowfall year. The fact is that NO year is EXACTLY "average." So even if an overall trend is toward record warm termperatures, you could easily still have a record cold season in a specific location in a specific year --- nothing unusual or unexpected about that.

Also, it is very likely that as Gobal Warming progresses, there will be some locations that will become colder due to the disruption of the ocean and wind currents that bring those areas warmth. It seems counterintuitive, but some areas do not get their warmth from the sun that falls directly on them. They get their warmth from ocean currents that transport the warmth from other areas. Western Europe is one of those areas. England's relatively temperate climate is due to warmth transported to western Europe by a current that absorbs heat in the Western Atlantic and Caribbean --- sunlight that falls on Florida warms water that moves up the Eastern seaboard, and that heat is released over England as the current heads back down the Western coast of Europe. Some climate models predict that current being disrupted if the polar ice melts. That would deny Europe that source of heat, and it is possible that Europe could experience a new ice age. The world's average temperature might rise, but local areas like Europe, might cool. Ironic.

This is why many people who study the phenomenon of greenhouse gasses and their effects on climate have begun using the term "Global Climate Change" instead of "Global Warming." It's unclear what effect changing the world's atmosphere will have on any given local area in any given year, even if you can predict the net effect of increased warming for the planet as a whole. You can't say for certain that any single given place will be warmer in any single given year, so the term "Global Warming" can be misleading.

[McLeodGanja]

Change is inevitably off course. What has been happening is the north pole is melting like fuck, evaporating into the local air and subsequently causing a lot of bad weather and precipitation around NW EU. For the past 10 years or so I have felt grateful every year that there was still at least a few of months of summer, been averaging I'd say 3-4 months of hot sol per year over here. There has been a noticable difference, but it could be a trend that will reverse itself, only I think polar ice takes longer to freeze up again. There is no way that anyone can say whether it will progress into an ice age, certainly there is a likelihood that Europe could face a severe winter like they get in Canada sometimes.

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I just saw an arial photograph of that large chunk of ice breaking away from the antarctic shelf, and it really does look like it is melting.

[Mississippi Steve]

Change is inevitably off course. What has been happening is the north pole is melting like fuck, evaporating into the local air and subsequently causing a lot of bad weather and precipitation around NW EU. For the past 10 years or so I have felt grateful every year that there was still at least a few of months of summer, been averaging I'd say 3-4 months of hot sol per year over here. There has been a noticable difference, but it could be a trend that will reverse itself, only I think polar ice takes longer to freeze up again. There is no way that anyone can say whether it will progress into an ice age, certainly there is a likelihood that Europe could face a severe winter like they get in Canada sometimes.

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I just saw an arial photograph of that large chunk of ice breaking away from the antarctic shelf, and it really does look like it is melting.


I have been to both the arctic and antarctic several times...burgs are a natural occurance, and have been since the beginning of recorded history. THe earth climate zones are an ever changing thing.....it just takes many eons for it to happen. We are on the cusp of another solar cycle....that will have some effect also.

There is an awful lot of this stuff that is made up by folks that stand to make a profit from it, and/or folks that are supposed to be educated, yet still don't have the common sense that GOD gave a brass doorknob. If presented properly you can feed shit filled Twinkys to *MOST* of the general public and liberal press all you want and they gulp it down like they were starving.

I'm afraid that science has been corrupted by the almighty dollar.

[dragonrider]

I'm afraid that science has been corrupted by the almighty dollar.

I'm pretty sure most of the money is on the side of those who deny global climate change is occurring --- the people who sell oil and cars and those whose industries use a lot of energy. Most of the science is conducted by people who do not have a stake in the outcome either way.

It's an issue of survival, not a political issue.

[FlyGuyOU]

I'm pretty sure most of the money is on the side of those who deny global climate change is occurring --- the people who sell oil and cars and those whose industries use a lot of energy. Most of the science is conducted by people who do not have a stake in the outcome either way.

It's an issue of survival, not a political issue.


The people who sell oil and own cars? Thats just about everyone.
IDK where this fear of oil companies and their record profits come from. Do people not understand that these are public companies and they are free to buy as much stock as they want. The next time to pay out dividends those record profits go to...wait wait don't tell me....you! what an interesting idea

[dragonrider]

The people who sell oil and own cars? Thats just about everyone.
IDK where this fear of oil companies and their record profits come from. Do people not understand that these are public companies and they are free to buy as much stock as they want. The next time to pay out dividends those record profits go to...wait wait don't tell me....you! what an interesting idea

I said, "the people who sell oil and cars," not, "the people who sell oil and own cars." So, yeah, oil companies and car companies. And I'm not referring to fear of oil companies' profits --- I'm saying they have a lot of profit to protect from any regulation of greenhouse gasses, and they use their money to fight any effort to do anything about the problem.

You get people suggesting that the climate change "scare" is a ploy by people hoping to make money off the fight against global warming, and I'm just trying to point out that most of the money is on the side of those with a vested interest in the status quo.

[dragonrider]

So global warming is responsible for haveing record snowfall and record low temperatures this winter?? What??

Here's an interesting article about what the changes in the Antarctic mean for the wildlife there.

Ice shelf collapse: What does it mean? - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/03/28/ice.explained/index.html)

One of the interesting facts mentioned in the article is that the warming of the temperature in the antarctic can result in an INCREASE in snowfall. The air in the antarctic has been so cold in past that it could not contain much moisture --- conditions in the antarctic are usually very dry. As the termperature has warmed over the past 50 years, the air has been able to support more moisture, and the snowfall has increased. So, yeah, warming temperatures can result in record snowfall in local areas.

[TomStoner]

I hope you guys live on high ground because global warming is very real and many countries in the world are going to have their coastlines changed, the world has known of the greenhouse effect since the 1950's but has only just started to reluctantly acknowledge that it is really happening. The US and Australian governments have had a lot do do with the bullshit propaganda about it being a hoax, we had a change of government and they immediately signed the Kyoto agreement which now leaves the US as the only "developed" country in the world not agreeing to cut it's carbon emissions.

One thing all governments around the world have in common is that they tell us lies, America's is reputed to be one of the worst offenders for suppressing news and information that is "not in the nationâ??s best interest". These "responsible leaders" have lied to us about cannabis, reasons for going to war and more so why the hell would we trust them to tell us the truth about global warming until it is too late. Our countries went to war in Iraq to free the people from a tyrant, yet they don't seem to have considered doing anything similar to free the starving millions in the African nations or anywhere else like that, helping these people form a sustainable future would do much more for world peace and cost far fewer lives.

Global warming is happening and the ice caps are melting, this planet was not designed to have this much CO2 and some other gasses in its atmosphere at this stage of its life.

:cool:Thanks for the bad rep on this post rebgirl420, you could have at least let me know why.

[PamStoner]

SO fellow Americans, can any one explain to me why other countries have dual fuel cars, ethanol powered cars, and we don't?
Maybe we should do more looking at the rest of the world? Because I find the US to be very shady about telling us what's really going on.
Michael Crightons book is a work of fiction.
The fact is, we are not going to destroy the planet, we are no more than a pimple on the planets ass. What we are doing is destroying ourselves

[TomStoner]

Yeah, my car is set up for duel fuel, LPG and petrol (gasoline), the LPG is much cheaper to buy than petrol and causes less pollution.


The fact is, we are not going to destroy the planet, we are no more than a pimple on the planets ass. What we are doing is destroying ourselvesExactly, the planet will still be here long after we become extinct.

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