5 week 2 days flowering death like problems. need help

[hydrocannabis]

ok so my plants R 5 weeks and 2 days into flowering

1 of em is a sativa and is looking real bad.
the other 1 is an indica and is looking much much better than my sativa.

my lights R 3 inches away from the buds. and the lights R cfls and they R 23 watts each and there is 8 of them.

the indca looks great.

I am thinking that they might be also root bound.
and to day I did a full rez change with only fresh filtered water.

and since they still need around 2-3 more weeks. what can I do to even sorta fix the problem. HELP please.

I feel sad/mad about because this is 1 of my best grows then this happens.

that the fuck happend. they looked great as of wensday.


weedhound and stinkattic I need UR help. thanks.

ps:the indica plant is the last pic.

[Weedhound]

DAMN! Don't know your setup but can you move them into a larger res? I think you are right about rootbound....not knowing any details. .....give me some specs hydro.

Are you using some sort of Zyme product at present?

If you haven't already add some H202.....I would add 2mls of 35% OR--not and---OR....1/2 tablespoon (about 10ml) per gallon of the 3%. If you ARE using a zyme thing....I would stop while you are using the H202.

I hope Rhizome reads this.....he's the real hydro mind here.....

If there are several weeks left I would not use plain water....my hydro guy told me that doing that too early in flowering will cause the plant its own problems.....something to do with lack of nutrition and metabolism but I don't really understand it..... but I think that you should probably put them on 300-400ppms (a LIGHT dose of nutes at any rate).

[hydrocannabis]

I am broke$$. is that all I can do?

ok but whay does the indica look good still.

they all looked great just 3 days ago. and I havent done any thing different.
shat about adding a little bit of nuts with n in it.

I'll wate and see what U guys say befor i do any thing else.


and thanks for UR reply WH.

[Weedhound]

At the VERY least.....get some peroxide in there with them. Asap!!!

[hydrocannabis]

ok but how much?

[TomStoner]

and to day I did a full rez change with only fresh filtered water.A good flush won't do them any harm but it looks to me like you may have a phosphorus (P) deficiency, have you been using any flowering boosters? Have you checked your PH?

Sativas always look like crap during flower too as they suck all the nutrients out of the leaves.

:cool:

[Weedhound]

hydro.....i wrote the amounts in the first post. Good luck.

[hydrocannabis]

ok so I added the 2mils of h2o2 to my res.

ok so more specks.
well the roots look great nice and white.
the sativa looked great as hell around 3 days ago. now this.
all I have added to the res is the genral hydro florabloom nuts.

and I read the bottle 4 time over so I would not mess up.
even when my mother came over got her to read it also so we both new the right amount to add.

around 5-6 days ago I added 1 teaspoon of some blackstrap molasass.

should I harvest her or is she gunna recover.

and would it do harm the indica thats next to it that still has around 2-1/2 weeks to go.
there in the same bucket.

there R also 3 fans in there for good air flow. 1 of em I use to suck the hot and old air out of the grow space.

any thing else U wanna know about them just ask.

thanks for helping WH. I hope they get better soon or I might have to harvest the sativas buds just to save them from ding up on me.:mad:

but the indica plant looks great for now. and her buds R harder than steel metal. and glow like the lights in vages. and smell like strawberrys.:D


so what gives I meen m's sativa was as healthy as horse.
why is my sativa acting like a dieing bitch ass.


dam I need a J to deal with the frustration.
and maybe extreme home make over will cheer me up.

[Weedhound]

Someone else (Tom?) mentioned that the sativas a VERY light feeders and I'm finding this to be VERY true myself. I would watch her for a day or two and if she continues to look bad...or worse....I would pull her and let the indica do its healthy thing.

Good luck.

[hydrocannabis]

even if there in the same bucket?

wouldn't the indicas roots rip in half doing dammage to the indica.

what if I were to just cut off the sativas buds and leave a few bottem buds on her untill my indica can finish.

here R some better night pix og the yellow leafs.

[Weedhound]

Sure you can do that.....just watch the plant's roots (the sativa one) to make sure they don't start dying off and affecting the indica as well.

[rhizome]

That molasses unsulphured?

[hydrocannabis]

yes it is. is that a bad thing. and why didn't my indy buds/leafs get effected.

I am gunna watch them closely to make sure that the sativas buds don't start to die.becuz they still look yummy and I wanna try to let them flower as long as possable . and also so that the indy buds don't get damage done to them.

and also there is only like 4-5 fan leasfs still dangeling from the her. but the buds and the lil budleafs still look good and cristaly for now.

knock on wood.

[stinkyattic]

Unsulfured is good. Rhizome was probably checking to see if your lockout is caused by too much S.

Here's why the indi looks better: It's a heavier feeder than the sat, or hardier. But it's not healthy! It has tipburn too, indicating overfertilization.

When you say filtered water, what do you mean? Where is it coming from? Is it sold as distilled water or drinking water?

What is the ppm of your nutrient solution? You should change the res again and go to a bloom fert that is lower than you had before, but still enough to let the plants feed. So if you were running at 1200 when you saw tipburn on the indi-dom, drop down to 900 or so. If you are running supplements, lose them for now and stick with your flower base nute (if you run a 3-part, the bloom + micro would be the 'base'), plus CalMag Plus if you are running distilled or RO water.

[hydrocannabis]

all I know about there feeding is they both got botteled water and some pure blend pro hydro veg nuts. I fet them what ever the back lable said to feed. which is 1/4th nuts to 1 gallon of water.

the bloom nute was around the same.



ps: I have the prfect sticky to put in the hydro growing forums.
some things to NOT do at ALL when growing hydro.

like keep different straind of plants in there own bubbler buckest.
if U R doing DWC system.
and I would make it eze to check the water and roots.
and other stuff.

[daihashi]

all I know about there feeding is they both got botteled water and some pure blend pro hydro veg nuts.

Bottled water? Are you supplementing with Calcium/Magnesium?

[stinkyattic]

Ding ding! Bottled water that is bottled for drinking often has high salts and that would DEFINITELY give you that set of symptoms.
Switch to distilled water plus calmag plus, or even tap water if it is not too 'hard'. You should own an EC meter if you run hydro, or take a tap water sample to the hydro shop to see where you're starting out at the very least.

[grey1223]

I believe you may have an overfert situation. If your indica is overfed then your Sativa is probably wayyyyy over fed. This will cause ph to drop in your medium from salt buildup. I'dgive them a good flush and then feed lightly.

[hydrocannabis]

oops oops I'm such a stoner. I ment to say that I only gave bottled water during veg cycle. then when I whent to flower mode I gave them filtered tap water.

ok so I went and looked back at the pix I took on the 22ed march. and they looked beautiful and healthy.

so I gave them a lil bit of molassas/water mix on the 22ed.

then on the 23ed the sativa's leaves looked like death.
I not saying that the molasses fuked up the sativas leaves.

but somthing definitely did happen between the 22ed-23ed.

man am I tired of growing sativas and bagseeds.

my next grow is gunna be DWC lowryder 2. then some dank seeds I found in some very dank bud I got back in x-mass.

[daihashi]

oops oops I'm such a stoner. I ment to say that I only gave bottled water during veg cycle. then when I whent to flower mode I gave them filtered tap water.

ok so I went and looked back at the pix I took on the 22ed march. and they looked beautiful and healthy.

so I gave them a lil bit of molassas/water mix on the 22ed.

then on the 23ed the sativa's leaves looked like death.
I not saying that the molasses fuked up the sativas leaves.

but somthing definitely did happen between the 22ed-23ed.

man am I tired of growing sativas and bagseeds.

my next grow is gunna be DWC lowryder 2. then some dank seeds I found in some very dank bud I got back in x-mass.

I believe many filtering systems remove important things like calcium and magnesium and you would still be deficient if you are not supplementing with CalMag or something else.

I'm no expert so I could be wrong; hopefully stinky will chime in. :thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

filtering systems are only effective against solids, and if they have activated charcoal (brita) the remove organics/hydrocarbons and SOME other compounds too.
RO and distillation systems remove minerals and ions.
Water softeners only exchange minerals with salt ions.
Um what am I forgetting?
Oh. UV sterilizes the water, removing bacterial and fungal pathogens, and I believe all/most viruses too, but leaving salt and mineral content unchanged.

What was the dose on that molasses?

[hydrocannabis]

1 Teaspoon.

and now there is no more fan leafs left on the sativa.

I think Ima let her go as long as I can.

[anbesol]

HEAT STRESS. and lack of Nitrogen. my CFL'ed plants had that problem