A little worried about substitution

[sunisshining]

Guys,

I've been reading this forum for a while now and I'm pretty convinced that the best way to handle my drug test is substitution. Here's my situation: it's just a normal job UA; I just go into Quest Diagnostics and they do their thing, I do my thing. I can do this test any time within the next 10 days. I've been smoking a lot, plus I tried some salvia a couple days ago and some shrooms a few weeks ago. I considered dilution for some time, but it had me too worried because this is a BIG job for me and I don't want to risk screwing this up.

For substitution, I have some Dr. Greens Agent X Premixed Unisex Synthetic Urine with heating element. My plan as of now is to heat it up in the microwave for 10 seconds, use my digital thermometer to check its around 100, put the bottle between two layers of briefs, then head out the door for Quest. The thing I'm worried about is that the fake urine is yellow but it has no odor. Should this be a concern? Does this urine seem similar to QuickFix? I have another option though: I got my clean friend to piss in a small bottle about a week and a half ago. Since then I have kept it frozen. I'm sure I could get some newer clean urine but my concern there is that I won't be able to pour it out properly.

I've never had to do a drug test before...how hard would it be to pour something out of a bottle into whatever they give you? Actually, what do they give you to piss into? Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks ahead of time.

[Burnt Toast]

The thing I'm worried about is that the fake urine is yellow but it has no odor. Should this be a concern? Nope. Because a lack of odor can be had in human urine samples as well as synthetic.

Its the samples with the odd, unusual odors that raises red flags with the UA techs. Like odors that are not supposed to be present in human urine (i.e. bleach, household chemicals, etc).

[joker88]

They give you a plastic cup with a line on it. You will have no problem getting it in there best tip is to practice on temp and take the cap off and pour it in the plastic cup so that the bottle does'nt make a sucking sound and don't drop anything. Good Luck

[smoking35]

If it's a test for DOT you have to give 60ml...a tad more than 2oz

[joker88]

Then get the agent x it has 3 oz of sub and works just as well as qf and is about the same price

[supertoker]

If it's a test for DOT you have to give 60ml...a tad more than 2oz

who knows if this is correct or not?

Thanks

[supertoker]

Fellas,

i saw a post on here from smoker35, i believe the name was. In it, he states that for a DOT physical, you have to give 60 ml, which is a bit more than the 2oz you get from qf.

is this difference so small that the naked eye will not notice?

I'm finally getting my temps right. please do not tell me i now have to worry about coming up short?

I'm hoping to drop tomorrow or on Monday.

Thanks

[FakeBoobsRule]

Smoking35 I'm sorry but you are wrong.

A DOT drug test sample requires 45 ml, 30 for the A sample, 15 for the B sample. 2 ounces is 60 mls which allwos them to make both samples 30 ml if they really want to (some collectors will do that if they are given enough).

Almost all drug test will require 45 mls or less. This will take care of most split samples.

The split sample is if you would like to challenge a positive test with a different lab at your cost. They will test the B sample. Good luck though because it is even difficult to actually get them to responde to the request for testing the B sample at your request. It's like they just ignore you.

[smoking35]

Thank's for that info FBR, I feel like I am being used...yesterday, when I gave my sample they asked for 60ml, 30 for each split. Am I legally bound to comply with the collector's requests?

[killerweed420]

As fbr stated 60ml (2 ounces) is the usual amount. My tests have always been DOT tests and I have occasionally been asked for more. Thats why I still follow the dillution sticky the morning of the test. Rather than argue with the tech I just add a little of my heavily dilluted urine to the QF as I fill the cup.

[Burnt Toast]

My tests have always been DOT tests and I have occasionally been asked for more. Thats why I still follow the dillution sticky the morning of the test. Rather than argue with the tech I just add a little of my heavily dilluted urine to the QF as I fill the cup.


Me personally, I would rather argue with the tech than taking any chances with with a negative-dilute, or even a positive by using any of my own urine. Because with DOT testing, the guidelines and protocols must be adhered to by the collectors, otherwise the test results are void.
Since DOT requires only 45 ml of sample, and 45 ml is all the donor can submit, the collector would have to accept it. Forcing the donor to submit more than 45 ml of sample would be in violation of the DOT guidelines.

Know your rights and the DOT regs and do not be afraid to assert them. :smokin:

[sunisshining]

Just to be sure- does my plan sound good enough to you guys? Thanks again:smokin:

[FakeBoobsRule]

It's a careful game of politely telling the collector they are full of BS or wrong. Collectors know about substitution so they might be trying to scare you, other times they might be just trying to get enough urine from you because they ask for just a little more than what is needed to make sure they get it.

Read in this thread.

http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-testing/141057-quick-fix-2-oz-enough.html

Technically, if you gave them 60 and they tried to say you failed to give a sample, they would have to write in the comment field why and send in the sample anyway and hopefully the MRO would see it and know that 60 was given and should have been accepted.

[supertoker]

FBR-you da man!

Thanks for the heads up.

Tomorrow is the day. I will be heading out in the morning and will post back after my succesful journey.

wish me luck!

[killerweed420]

It's a careful game of politely telling the collector they are full of BS or wrong. Collectors know about substitution so they might be trying to scare you, other times they might be just trying to get enough urine from you because they ask for just a little more than what is needed to make sure they get it.

Read in this thread.

http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-testing/141057-quick-fix-2-oz-enough.html

Technically, if you gave them 60 and they tried to say you failed to give a sample, they would have to write in the comment field why and send in the sample anyway and hopefully the MRO would see it and know that 60 was given and should have been accepted.
And also they have the right to hold you there and make you drink 40 ounces of water for up to 3 hours to get the sample.
I could never set anywhere for 3 hours to do anything before I would be ripping somebodies head off.lol
And probably most of us really need the job so we just kind of put up with the bs just to get back to work Which ain't right but its just the way it is.

[jeffman]

Good Luck and make Us proud. I have done Quest/QF many times..:smokin:..:stoned:

[FakeBoobsRule]

Takeittothehead, stop it with the visine or sure gel methods. See this person wants to pass that's why they are subbing.:jointsmile:

Visine doesn't work anymore and sure gel isn't 100% like subbing is. Sure gel is just the dilution method with soluble fiber added to the process. Do an advanced search for posts from me using the term Kraft and you can learn all about sure gel.

[sunisshining]

By the way guys, just an update: everything went fine, luckily. I was scared the whole time, but anyway...Nuked it for 11 seconds, strapped a heater to it, sat with it on my crotch in waiting room for a couple hours, did my thing in the bathroom; results = i have a job. Stuck it the fuckin' man just like i wanted to. Now, to stay clean for random testing...sucks but I think I'll live. I'm giving myself 4 weeks before my job starts to get clean for random tests. I figure on average, as long as they don't force a random test on me in the first couple weeks of my job (I imagine the probability of a random test is pretty low), I'll be clean enough in 4-6 weeks as long as I go cold turkey...any thoughts on that? Thanks guys and keep strugglin' on.

[jeffman]

Congrats..:smokin:..:stoned: