Riots in Tibet (The Official Current Events FREE TIBET thread)

[McLeodGanja]

Anyone watching this on the news? It is really fucking sad to see this happen to such a race of peaceful spiritual people. 80 deaths have been reported and I saw footage on TV of some Tibetan people attacking a man in the street simply for being Chinese.

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | 'Eighty killed' in Tibetan unrest (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7299212.stm)

Discuss.

[McLeodGanja]

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China blames Dalai Lama for riots (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7302021.stm)

[McLeodGanja]

The Dalai Lama has apperently said in response to all the violence that he will stand down as leader of the Tibetan government in exile if it continues.

Mr Wen is accusing the Tibetans of trying to sabotage the olympics, well ... I think that is probably to do with that fact they are sabotaging their entire fucking country!

GET OUT CHINA, FUCK OFF! LEAVE THEM BE.

[Zimzum]

China itself is sabotaging their own Olympics, not the Buddhist monks. Welcome to China's 21st century Tienanmen square :mad:

I personally will be locking out whatever TV channels are showing the Olympics this summer. Hopefully many nations will not attend in protest to China's actions in Tibet.

[Mr. Clandestine]

I've been paying close attention to these events, and I'm getting sick of China acting so hateful towards the Dalai Lama, and Tibet in general. I have a lot of respect for His Holiness, and find it outrageous that the Chinese government is accusing him of inciting these riots. He's one of the most peaceful men on this planet, for gods sake.

The Chinese government is one of the most powerful governments in the world, yet they're often not held accountable for their actions... even if their actions risk the lives of people outside China. Antibiotics, blood thinners, lead paint in CHILDREN'S TOYS?? Come on, their negligence has gone far enough... :mad:

[katyowns]

I'm disgusted that they even were chosen to hold the Olympics period, Personally.

[stinkyattic]

I'm disgusted that they even were chosen to hold the Olympics period, Personally.QFT.

With their history of human rights abuses (including ongoing ones) I can think of few WORSE hosts for the Olympics, which are meant to celebrate the athletic achievements of people from all cultures... it's an insult to the spirit of the Olympics themselves.

[Breukelen advocaat]

"His Holiness" was/is a CIA-funded operative, and far from non-violent in his country.


Penn & Teller on the Dalai Lama:

MySpaceTV Videos: Penn and Teller explain why the Dalai Lama sucks ass by The Quiet Man (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=4328870)

[McLeodGanja]

Didn't they do one of those shows trying to convince me that Walmart were not as bad a company as everything thinks?

I'm gonna need more than this.

The rest of the Tibetan people in those days might have lived in some poverty and squalor, but I'd guess that they were probably happy with what they had though, probably a yak and mug of butter tea if they were lucky. I dunno...

Pulling out eyeballs? I seem to remember them mentioning that briefly, ... I'm afraid I don't buy that one.

Saying that though, I have read that some zen buddhist masters used to beat their students since it was believed to induce some form of spiritual attainment.

[yokinazu]

this one time, at band camp...


"His Holiness" was/is a CIA-funded operative, and far from non-violent in his country.


i actualy thought this was serios for a second then i seen the penn ad teller link

but if there are people who really beleive this all i can say is ...WOW you are naive

[Breukelen advocaat]

Didn't they do one of those shows trying to convince me that Walmart were not as bad a company as everything thinks?
I'm gonna need more than this.
The rest of the Tibetan people in those days might have lived in some poverty and squalor, but I'd guess that they were probably happy with what they had though, probably a yak and mug of butter tea if they were lucky. I dunno...
Pulling out eyeballs? I seem to remember them mentioning that briefly, ... I'm afraid I don't buy that one.
Saying that though, I have read that some zen buddhist masters used to beat their students since it was believed to induce some form of spiritual attainment.
Yeah, bring back corporal punishment in the schools, because the "peaceful" Buddhists say it's good for the students. :cool:

Tibet hosted Nazi Germany visitors in the 1930's, and some of the Tibetian ideas were very highly regarded by the Nazis.

Sorry, but Tibetan feudalism isn't coming back, and I can't blame the Chinese for their opposition to it.

Fuck the Dalai Lama and the horse he rode in on.

[McLeodGanja]

The thing is I have seen Penn & Teller do some of those shows and they make complete sense, the one on drugs was anyway. Maybe that is the idea though, they are illusionists after all, although I've never really thought they were very good. Maybe some are true, and some are complete horse balls.

[Breukelen advocaat]

The thing is I have seen Penn & Teller do some of those shows and they make complete sense, the one on drugs was anyway. Maybe that is the idea though, they are illusionists after all, although I've never really thought they were very good. Maybe some are true, and some are complete horse balls.
They are showmen, but the history of Tibet is not a pretty one. The Lama is not worthy of our admiration, or support.

[McLeodGanja]

Yeah, bring back corporal punishment in the schools, because the "peaceful" Buddhists say it's good for the students. :cool:

Tibet hosted Nazi Germany visitors in the 1930's, and some of the Tibetian ideas were very highly regarded by the Nazis.

Sorry, but Tibetan feudalism isn't coming back, and I can't blame the Chinese for their opposition to it.

Fuck the Dalai Lama and the horse he rode in on.

Well there's a twist in the tale I never thought I'd see in the thread. Are you for fucking real man?

Just because Nazi Germany shared an affinity with the organic Tibetan culture that their holocaust aspired to re-generate in their homeland, doesn't mean that the Dalai Lama is a Nazi! I'm assuming that is what they must have liked, I don't think it would have been the prayer wheels.

So, basically what you are saying is that he isn't the 14th incarnation of Kundun, and all this souls passing into new lifes and all the astral projection stuff after you die is all a load of balony?

[yokinazu]

this one time, at band camp..

well if a celebrity (penn and teller) says it true then it must be true.
that means the following statements are also true:

"george bush has killed more iraqis than the iranians and saddam put together", just pick a celebrity

" the president ( hugo chaves) is a great leader and doing what is right for his people" sean penn vistiting the great hugo chaves

and my favorite

"its the first time in history that fire has melted steal." rosie o donnel on the world trade center

so since a celebraty said this im suppose to beleive it. get FUCKING REAL.

the guy in the video said he lived in a grand palace and was waited on by servants. while his people gave him everything they had and lived in poverty. sounds like jerry falwell to me.

that whole video reeked of right wing propaganda pandering to the christian conservatives who beleive there is some almighty power living in the clouds

by the way one other thing the dalai lama is not the reincarnation of kun-dun. kun-dun is the nick name his mother used when he was a child.

[McLeodGanja]

According to the infallible source that is wikipedia, kundun means "presence" and is a form of address to his holiness the bla...... No mention of any eye ball gouging in there, although it does say that the previous Dalai Lama also lived in exile to escape both british and chinese invasion.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Well there's a twist in the tale I never thought I'd see in the thread. Are you for fucking real man?

Just because Nazi Germany shared an affinity with the organic Tibetan culture that their holocaust aspired to re-generate in their homeland, doesn't mean that the Dalai Lama is a Nazi! I'm assuming that is what they must have liked, I don't think it would have been the prayer wheels.

So, basically what you are saying is that he isn't the 14th incarnation of Kundun, and all this souls passing into new lifes and all the astral projection stuff after you die is all a load of balony?
No, I'm not saying it's "a load of baloney". It's a load of BULLSHIT.

[McLeodGanja]

No, I'm not saying it's "a load of baloney". It's a load of BULLSHIT.

Oh RIIIIIIIIIIIGHT now I am starting to see:stoned: now if you'd only said it was all bullshit at the start.......

[Mr. Clandestine]

No, I'm not saying it's "a load of baloney". It's a load of BULLSHIT.

You've obviously never read The Art of Happiness, Ethics for a New Millennium, Freedom in Exile, or any other of his works that endlessly preach compassion, kindness, and understanding. He may not be worthy of your appreciation, but to millions of other people throughout the world, he is... and will continue to be.

But thanks for attempting to prove your point by spewing vulgarity, then telling us we should believe this tripe because Penn & Teller said so. Quite a compelling argument you've thrown out there. :thumbsup:

[yokinazu]

this one time, at band camp...


At the age of two the child, who was named Lhamo Dhondup at that time was recognized as the reincarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama, Thubten Gyatso. The Dalai Lamas are believed to be manifestations of Avalokiteshvara or Chenrezig, the Bodhisattva of Compassion and patron saint of Tibet. Bodhisattvas are enlightened beings who have postponed their own nirvana and chosen to take rebirth in order to serve humanity.

this is straight from the dali lamas web page

[Mr. Clandestine]

this one time, at band camp...

Dude, I hate to pull this thread off topic, but what's up with the band camp opener?

[Breukelen advocaat]

His material highness
http://www.salon.com/news/1998/07/src/13lama.gif
FAR FROM HIS HOLIER-THAN-ALL IMAGE, THE DALAI LAMA SUPPORTS SUCH QUESTIONABLE CAUSES AS INDIA'S NUCLEAR TESTING, SEX WITH PROSTITUTES AND ACCEPTING DONATIONS FROM A JAPANESE TERRORIST CULT.

BY CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS | The Dalai Lama has come out in support of the thermonuclear tests recently conducted by the Indian state, and has done so in the very language of the chauvinist parties who now control that state's affairs. The "developed" countries, he says, must realize that India is a major contender and should not concern themselves with its internal affairs. This is a perfectly realpolitik statement, so crass and banal and opportunist that it would not deserve any comment if it came from another source.

"Think different," says the ungrammatical Apple Computer advertisement that features the serene visage of His Holiness.

Among the untested assumptions of this billboard campaign is the widely and lazily held belief that "Oriental" religion is different from other faiths: less dogmatic, more contemplative, more ... transcendental. This blissful, thoughtless exceptionalism has been conveyed to the West through a succession of mediums and narratives, ranging from the pulp novel "Lost Horizon," by James Hilton (creator of Mr. Chips as well as Shangri-La), to the memoir "Seven Years in Tibet," by SS veteran Heinrich Harrer, prettified for the screen by Brad Pitt. China's foul conduct in an occupied land, combined with a Hollywood cult that almost exceeds the power of Scientology, has fused with weightless Maharishi and Bhagwan-type babble to create an image of an idealized Tibet and of a saintly god-king. So perhaps the Apple injunction to think differently is worth heeding.

The greatest triumph that modern PR can offer is the transcendent success of having your words and actions judged by your reputation, rather than the other way about. The "spiritual leader" of Tibet has enjoyed this unassailable status for some time now, becoming a byword and synonym for saintly and ethereal values. Why this doesn't put people on their guard I'll never know. But here are some other facts about the serene leader that, dwarfed as they are by his endorsement of nuclear weapons, are still worth knowing and still generally unknown.

Shoko Asahara, leader of the Supreme Truth cult in Japan and spreader of sarin nerve gas on the Tokyo subway, donated 45 million rupees, or about 170 million yen (about $1.2 million), to the Dalai Lama and was rewarded for his efforts by several high-level meetings with the divine one.
Steven Seagal, the robotic and moronic "actor" who gave us "Hard to Kill" and "Under Siege," has been proclaimed a reincarnated lama and a sacred vessel or "tulku" of Tibetan Buddhism. This decision, ratified by Penor Rinpoche, supreme head of the Nyingma School of Tibetan Buddhism, was initially received with incredulity by Richard Gere, who had hitherto believed himself to be the superstar most favored. "If someone's a tulku, that's great," he was quoted as saying. "But no one knows if that's true." How insightful, if only accidentally. At a subsequent Los Angeles appearance by the Dalai Lama, Seagal was seated in the front row and Gere two rows back, thus giving the latter's humility and submissiveness a day at the races. Suggestions that Seagal's fortune helped elevate him to the Himalayan status of tulku are not completely discounted even by some adepts and initiates.
Supporters of the Dorge Shugden deity -- a "Dharma protector" and an ancient object of worship and propitiation in Tibet -- have been threatened with violence and ostracism and even death following the Dalai Lama's abrupt prohibition of this once-venerated godhead. A Swiss television documentary graphically intercuts footage of His Holiness, denying all knowledge of menace and intimidation, with scenes of his followers' enthusiastically promulgating "Wanted" posters and other paraphernalia of excommunication and persecution.
While he denies being a Buddhist "Pope," the Dalai Lama is never happier than when brooding in a celibate manner on the sex lives of people he has never met. "Sexual misconduct for men and women consists of oral and anal sex," he has repeatedly said in promoting his book on these matters. "Using one's hand, that is sexual misconduct." But, as ever with religious stipulations, there is a nutty escape clause. "To have sexual relations with a prostitute paid by you and not by a third person does not constitute improper behavior." Not all of this can have been said just to placate Richard Gere, or to attract the royalties from "Pretty Woman."I have talked to a few Dorge Shugden adherents, who seem sincere enough and who certainly seem frightened enough, but I can't go along with their insistence on the "irony" of all this.

Buddhism can be as hysterical and sanguinary as any other system that relies on faith and tribe. Lon Nol's Cambodian army was Buddhist at least in name. Solomon Bandaranaike, first elected leader of independent Sri Lanka, was assassinated by a Buddhist militant. It was Buddhist-led pogroms against the Tamils that opened the long and disastrous communal war that ruins Sri Lanka to this day. The gorgeously named SLORC, the military fascism that runs Burma, does so nominally as a Buddhist junta. I have even heard it whispered that in old Tibet, that pristine and contemplative land, the lamas were the allies of feudalism and unsmilingly inflicted medieval punishments such as blinding and flogging unto death. (bold mine)

Yet the entire Western mass media is uncritically at the service of a mere mortal who, at the very least, proclaims the utter nonsense of reincarnation and who affirms the sinister if not indeed crazy belief that death is but a stage in a grand cycle of what appears to be futility and subjection. What need, then, to worry about nuclear weaponry, or sectarian frenzy, or the sale of indulgences to men of the stamp of Steven Seagal? "Harmony" will doubtless kick in. During his visit to Beijing, our sentimental Baptist hypocrite of a president turned to his dictator host, recommended that he meet with the Dalai Lama and assured him that the two of them would get on well. That might easily turn out to be the case. Both are very much creatures of the material world.

SALON | July 13, 1998
Salon Newsreal | His material highness (http://www.salon.com/news/1998/07/13news.html)

[Mr. Clandestine]

His material highness

So the man has a few blemishes on his resume... are you perfect? I don't remember anyone ever making the claim that His Holiness was without flaws. He felt compassion for Shoko and his plight long before he orchestrated the sarin attack. How was he to know that Shoko would eventually become a terrorist? The two of them had many conversations that revolved around their religion, and eventually became confidants who shared a similar religion. I have friends who are addicted to hardcore drugs, but that doesn't mean I am, too. I'm not going to stop being their friend just because I don't agree with their ways. I may distance myself from them, but I won't shun them outright.

"Yet the entire Western mass media is uncritically at the service of a mere mortal who, at the very least, proclaims the utter nonsense of reincarnation and who affirms the sinister if not indeed crazy belief that death is but a stage in a grand cycle of what appears to be futility and subjection. " (Bold mine.)

Utter nonsense of reincarnation? Sinister/crazy belief that death is just a transcendent stage in the grand cycle of life? Can you say BIASED? :wtf:

Come on, I'm a Christian, and I don't agree with all of the Dalai Lamas philosophies... but who am I to say he's wrong? I can disagree with some of the decisions and statements he makes, and still RESPECT him as a compassionate human being. You've managed to pick out a few things he's done that others may view as objectionable. How about now you do some research on all of the noble and honorable achievements he's accomplished in his lifetime, then report back here when you've discovered and documented EVERY single accomplishment. See ya in a couple of years! :D

[McLeodGanja]

BY CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS | The Dalai Lama has come out in support of the thermonuclear tests recently conducted by the Indian state, and has done so in the very language of the chauvinist parties who now control that state's affairs. The "developed" countries, he says, must realize that India is a major contender and should not concern themselves with its internal affairs. This is a perfectly realpolitik statement, so crass and banal and opportunist that it would not deserve any comment if it came from another source.

Hmmm... I'm sure I heard the Dalai Lama say the word "developed" once too. So THAT's what he meant then!

I'll respond to the rest of the claims made in this random piece of internet freelance journalism, when I convinced that it holds any more credibility than Penn & Teller.

I loved the bit about Steven Seagal and Richard Gere though, I actually do hope that is true! Maybe Gere didn't get to be a "tulku" because shoving rodents up your bottom constitutes unnatural sex, and "tulku"'s don't do that kind of thing.

[McLeodGanja]

100 protestors surrenders to the Chinese authorities.

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Protesters 'surrender in Tibet' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7304144.stm)

BUT I don't think this is the end of it. Check this out!

BBC News Player - Protesters defiant in Tibet row (http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7300000/newsid_7304100/7304187.stm?bw=bb&mp=wm&asb=1&news=1&bbcws=1)

[Psycho4Bud]

I recall a debate in here about a year ago...wish to hell I could remember the thread. A member was stating that Tibet was doing GREAT under Chinese rule. LMAO!

Fact is, China views Buddhism as a threat and this is no more than an act of genocide. BAN THE OLYMPIC GAMES and watch what you buy! If it says "Made In China".....do everyone a favor and spend a few more bucks on a comparable product.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[yokinazu]

this one time, at band camp...

its a line from a movie i just watched again the other day. im not goin to say what movie. thats for you to figure out


After the 1997 release of film adaptation of Seven Years in Tibet, questions were raised about Harrer's Nazi past and Harrer acknowledged that his membership of the party had been a "stupid mistake." Since he was out of the country almost continuously during the Nazi period, he was not involved in illegal actions.



fact is that in 1938 herrer was imprisoned in india by british troops he may have been a soldier but not all soldiers are evil. oh and also there were thousands of SS troops and did much more than kill jews


Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama and the spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhism, visited Pope John Paul II eight times, more than any other single dignitary. The Pope and the Dalai Lama often shared similar views and understood similar plights, both coming from peoples affected by communism and both being heads of religious bodies.



hmm... if the dali lama and the pope share similar veiws and understand similar plights while at the same time visiting some of the most evil dictators the world has ever seen this obviosly means that the pope is an advocate of human rights abuses.(the list is too long to post of the countries and people that pope john paul II visited so do your own google search)

[McLeodGanja]

Another embarrassment for the Chinese Administration as they start rolling troops into the Tibetan plateau, Gordon Brown the UK Prime Minister is arranging to have talks with the Dalai Lama over developing in the first instance a strategy to try to bring an end to the violence before it turns into something uglier.

[McLeodGanja]

They are not going to like this!

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | US lawmaker speaks out on Tibet (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7308169.stm)

[McLeodGanja]

Interesting 10 minute news article and discussion about the Dalai Lama and his position as leader of Tibet in exile on Newsnight last night. You can view it here---->

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Newsnight (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm?survey=no&url=news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/default.stm&site=sitelabel&js=yes&uid=7417fdc061d4203a5dc9f06331e6153b883dd767f08051 991b8b025d740f313e)

Not sure how long it stays on there so I would watch it before tonights edition at 22.30GMT.

[Reefer Rogue]

China does whatever the fuck it wants. Oppressive dickheads should give the people of Tibet their freedom but they never will, they'll just gun them down. Fuck government and the state. I'm so happy i don't live in that piece of shit stagnant society.

[McLeodGanja]

** Protest disrupts torch ceremony **
Protesters have broken through barriers to briefly disrupt the Olympic torch ceremony in Olympia.
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[Readytoride08]

China has no right to takeover Tibett nor bother them people!I am not goin to wacth the Oylpics this year either.But this is how it has to happend for the NWO to dig its claws deep in the worlds last freedoms.

[McLeodGanja]

Fucking BBC I just watched this on the news and it the report did not sound at all sympathetic towards the cause. Nobody was being violent, well apart from the police who appeared very heavy handed in the way they tackled the protestors. There was also a clip from Nepal showing the police beating and kicking some protestor who was on the ground and in no position to defend himself.

I hope this events becomes entirely overshadowed by these protest, fuck the olympics and fuck the Chinese imperialists.

[McLeodGanja]

More than 660 people have turned themselves in to police following recent violent protests in and around Tibet, Chinese state media has said.

Xinhua news agency reported 280 people in Lhasa had handed themselves in by late Tuesday, and earlier reports said 381 people in Sichuan had surrendered.

China is trying to end the biggest protests by Tibetans in 20 years.

BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | 'Many surrender' over Tibet riots (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7313966.stm)

[McLeodGanja]

BBC NEWS | Europe | Polish PM's No to Olympic opening (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7316477.stm)

[Psycho4Bud]

Great thread.......keep the news comin'.:thumbsup:

I saw on the news where Chinese cops were beating monks with night sticks. The one dude was already in the back and the cop busted his batton across the monks fingers. :mad:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[McLeodGanja]

Thanks, I'll be back to work on monday now that I have my foot back so don't expect an up to the minute report from next week.:D

I saw several footages of cops/security laying in to protestors heavy handedly, there was a clip of some guy who ran onto the street shouting and waving a flag and next thing two security guys come along, one of them lamps the guy and he falls to the ground, it's all a bit off camera so it's hard to see what is going on but it rather looked like after the protestor was down the two security guards starting laying punches into him completely unprovoked.