What the hell happened? Sudden death - Pics

[jackforest]

My plant went from its healthiest to its death in a matter of hours. I came home to find it wilted and powerless. It was incrediably upseting. Any ideas? It looks like overwatered but its been 2 days since I last watered.

The first pic is my plant of last night.
The second pic is of my plant dead, now.

[jackforest]

oh, and

-Indoor
-Soil
-Miracle Grow Potting Soil
-Added MG nutrients too early, stopped a week or so ago
-Soil pH - Unknown
-Water source - Tap left out 24hours
-Water pH - Unknown
-Age of plant - 4 weeks
-Type of fertilizer - none
-3 23w cfl and two 40w cfl inches from plant
-Room temperature
-18/6
-intake fan

[Twentyinches]

water?

[jackforest]

water?

More or less?

[marijuanavillebilly]

it can survive just needs water, when it gets limp after a long DROUGHT it needs water.
the plants will tell YOU what THEY need, i learned this the hard way.

[hybridlove420]

how did it die? did it progress bottom-up?

maybe last watering you overwateredand it took 2 days to feel it?

[Twentyinches]

I donno but I think that plant looks like it looks when it's really dry...so more if so. Dig your finger carefully in the pot about 2'' in and see how dry

[Weedhound]

Haven't watered in two days.....How often do you normally water? IS the plant dry?

How long did it take to go down like that?

[Mr. Clandestine]

Not enough water. Once you see the foliage go limp and start drooping, water. Preferably before. Most of the time, you can water an underwatered plant and actually watch as the stems regain their turgidity right before your eyes. That plant, on the other hand, probably won't recover so quickly... if at all.

[Weedhound]

it can survive just needs water, when it gets limp after a long DROUGHT it needs water.
the plants will tell YOU what THEY need, i learned this the hard way.

This is what i wonder as well. My other thought......has the plant been exposed to sudden cold? I saw a plant do that when it got frost on it.

[Twentyinches]

. That plant, on the other hand, probably won't recover so quickly... if at all.

I think if those pix are very recent, and he has watered or does so now it will pull through it. I saw one with 99% of it in the grave and it came back lol :thumbsup:

[melodious fellow]

oh, and

-Indoor
-Soil
-Miracle Grow Potting Soil
-Added MG nutrients too early, stopped a week or so ago
-Soil pH - Unknown
-Water source - Tap left out 24hours
-Water pH - Unknown
-Age of plant - 4 weeks
-Type of fertilizer - none
-3 23w cfl and two 40w cfl inches from plant
-Room temperature
-18/6
-intake fan

intake, but no outtake? You want negative pressure.

You were watering with way acidic water from adding ferts without balancing or even checking the Ph after adding them to the water.

COD: Ph burn, nute burn

sorry for your loss bro, just get remember this lesson and be not discouraged! :rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

Negative pressure?

[Twentyinches]

Negative pressure?

little more air going out then in? i think that's what he means?

[Mr. Clandestine]

I think if those pix are very recent, and he has watered or does so now it will pull through it. I saw one with 99% of it in the grave and it came back lol :thumbsup:

True, I've had clones that looked completely dead make a turnaround and really blew my mind. I didn't mean to sound negative, I just wanted the OP to be prepared for the worst. There's no problem hoping for the best, though.

Jack: Your soil looks to have a good bit of bark in it. Adding a little extra peat to the mix next time, or another moisture-retaining substance that's easier on pH, should help to ensure that the roots get a good mix of air and moisture.

[Orzy]

When dealing with passive intakes you don't really need to worry about "negative pressure". As long as your intake is about twice the area of your active exhaust you'll be fine. Some people make their passive intakes a fraction of the size of their exhaust with the idea of negative pressure, but all they are doing is limiting the power of their fans.

[valtrip]

did the temps go way up all of a sudden? if so i've been there but if you prop the stem up with a pencil and treat it well it should be back in action in no time. good luck :jointsmile:

[jackforest]

wow, well a lot of different information coming from you guys. Well, I trashed it. I'll start over from scratch. Better soil, no nutes, regulary check ph levels in soil and water. The temperature definetely had remained constant. No sudden change. I had the feeling I overwatered two days ago, so I was going to let it drink it all in for a couple days. Its decline to death took place over a couple of hours. Really sudden.

If anything I'm not discouraged. I'll be back with avegence. Thank you for all your ideas.

-
Jack

I forgot to add. The plant in its wilted state as seen in the picture has a lot of moisture in the leaves. Its almost completely soft.

[stinkyattic]

Underwatering combined with possible suffocation.

You need an active exhaust more than an active intake- it is MUCH more efficient
Water when the pot starts to feel light
Control temps below 85'F

[melodious fellow]

When dealing with passive intakes you don't really need to worry about "negative pressure". As long as your intake is about twice the area of your active exhaust you'll be fine. Some people make their passive intakes a fraction of the size of their exhaust with the idea of negative pressure, but all they are doing is limiting the power of their fans.

He said he had an "intake fan" That is an active intake.

He did not mention having any type of active exhaust.

Active intake + passive/no exhaust = positive pressure

Hopefully he will get an active exhaust for this next grow.

[Twentyinches]

I didn't mean to sound negative, I just wanted the OP to be prepared for the worst. There's no problem hoping for the best, though.

Oh no man I didn't mean it like that, it was more of a story then anything. I don't think you were being negative, but realistic in most cases. But I have been surprised by a lot worse so that's what I mean :cool:

too bad he ganked it, I was actually curious to see if it would pull through..:(

[Orzy]

He said he had an "intake fan" That is an active intake.

He did not mention having any type of active exhaust.

Active intake + passive/no exhaust = positive pressure

Hopefully he will get an active exhaust for this next grow.

Yeah.. I kinda just posted that so that when he eventually switches his current fan to become an exhaust he can obtain maximum airflow with it. He obviously got the wrong idea on his first go, so I was just clarifying/outlining basic concepts of moving air.

[jackforest]

All of you could not have been more right. Things will be better this time around. I have already made progess. Heres a link to my new grow cab. With an exhaust and passive intake this time. New soil for seedling, mixed 30% with perlite.

Still not perfect - Budget restrictions.


http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/152080-new-rubbermaid-grow-cab-pics.html#post1828416

[Dreadscale]

Sweet !!!

GOOD LUCK