Obamas Rev. Wright

[Psycho4Bud]

We have all heard a lot about Barack Obamaâ??s spiritual guide and mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. Wright has a whole lot of respect for Black supremacist Louis Farrakhan and, as if thatâ??s not enough, he also has a past of anti-white rhetoric himself. In his preaches he regularly attacks white people, arguing that they continue to oppress African-Americans, and so on.

Now a new, and damning, video has appeared of Wrightâ??s last sermon (before he retired), in which he, once again, talked trash of whites and praised Barack Obama (and attacked Hillary Clinton several times). Hereâ??s the video (h/t):
WATCH THIS!!!:mad:

For those who are working today and canâ??t watch the video: heâ??s praising Obama for being a black man, from a single parent home, who knows how it is to be a poor black man â??living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people.â?�

He also compares white Americans to the Romans, who crucified Jesus - a black man according to the Reverend (which is most likely not true of course; Semitic, yes, black no; a man of color yes, a black man no. Unless the Reverend believes that Jews and Arabs are â??blacksâ?? of course).

Wright also said that he knows why people are criticizing Obama: heâ??s not white, nor rich enough. Heâ??s black. And poor.

Perhaps someone should tell Obama that, considering that he and his wife are Harvard graduates and have earned many millions of dollars in the last couple of years.

â??The Romans,â?� Wright said, â??were white people.â?� European people (he seems to refer to white Americans as Europeans).

And Hillary? Hillary is white and rich. As such, blacks canâ??t trust her.

He also has something nice to say about blacks who vote for Hillary Clinton: they make him sick.
PoliGazette » Two Extreme Pastors (http://poligazette.com/2008/03/13/two-extreme-pastors/)

There was a thread in here related to Obamas color. I find it completely ironic that EVERYBODY else has to denounce/fire people that make remarks about Obama/race but when his own Preacher does this shit it's o.k. in his book.

Hey Obama you hypocritical assclown, when you changing churches? :mad:

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America. No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon which was aired by ABC television.

"God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that." He went on: "Hillary ain't never been called a "N". Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person."

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't. Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

â??White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just â??disappearedâ?? as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.â?�

Wright has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan, and in December, honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement, saying he â??truly epitomize[s] greatness.â?�

Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals.

Michelle Obama said flatly, â??For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.â?�

Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, â??The Audacity of Hope.â?�


I can understand completely why the left wing Obama supporters don't reply on this.

So what does Obama have to say?

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, â??I donâ??t think my church is actually particularly controversial.â?� He said Rev. Wright â??is like an old uncle who says things I donâ??t always agree with,â?� telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

Real nice response....why is he the ONLY candidate that doesn't have to explain himself in this election?

"Bill Clinton pointed out that Rev. Jesse Jackson had won South Carolina in 1984 and 1988 -- campaigns that went nowhere."....How many times has she had to apologize about this?

Got some advice for the "white male non-vet" out there. IF he is elected, invest in K.Y., your going to need it!

ALSO, where the fuck is Al Sharpton with the Rev. Wrights use of the "N" word? OOOOPS...wasn't a white man saying it right?

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

:bump2:
Come on....just one justification maybe? :S1:

Have a good one!:s4:

[melodious fellow]

Ok, I shall respond for ya... I usually try to with your political threads, just missed this one..

First, I find it quite amusing that you only posted the first half of the "Two Extreme Pastors" article.. :D

Obama's pastor does sound a bit... off...


"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America.

I don't know what he is talking about, the Gov giving out drugs (where? :stoned::stoned:) but he has a point regarding unequal treatment of minority groups (but not just African Americans) regarding drug laws. The rich white men get small fines or probation for coke use (and maybe a year or two at most for trafficking, if that) while the minorities (who are much lower income and thus cannot afford powdered coke) receive lengthy prison sentences, up to 5x longer than that of their counterparts, for the rock form of the substance. Also, drug law enforcement is rarely targeted in wealthy neighborhoods, and often dealt with much more leniently.


"God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

Is he just talking about just black citizens here? If he included poor people, veterans, homosexuals, non-violent criminals, and foreign countries in this statement, than I believe he would be right on the money. The U.S. does think it is entitled to some God given supremacy and treats many groups as less than human.


"Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright said. "Hillary would never know that."

You can't argue with that one... the U.S. is definitely controlled by rich, white people... mostly from Washington.


"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't. Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

Didn't Bill do ALOT to help minority groups, especially African Americans? There are still many African Americans that have strong ties to the Clinton family because of Bill's work and for the Rev to say that it makes it him sick when blacks vote for Hillary is not only misleading, but unethical as he is in a position that greatly influences many people.


Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals.

Yea, Farrakhan is a fool. But we can't say "well because Obama knows a pastor and that pastor happens to like some old racist... .."

I saw this plantation house that had Confederate flags everywhere and almost as many Ron Paul signs in the yard a while back. It angered me that this guy may have been subconsciously influencing people to think Ron Paul was racist.. but that is a logical fallacy of association and hopefully people will not link Obama to the views of Farrakhan or even to his pastor.

There are many things one can disagree with their pastor about. Is it really enough to leave the church over? A lot of effort to find another church, keeping in mind that no church or pastor is going to be entirely in sync with every single person's opinion on every issue... unless they are all sheep. Perhaps Obama's wife does not want to leave the church... i.e. they arn't leaving.. lol


Michelle Obama said flatly, â??For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country, and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.â?�

I think that is a valid statement, as long as she means the last part. I havn't met anyone yet who doesn't think this country needs change, regardless of party affiliation. The U.S. has done almost nothing in my life that I am proud of... but I will definitely be proud if positive change occurs.


I can understand completely why the left wing Obama supporters don't reply on this. Because you didn't post the other half of the article? :D:D:D


So what does Obama have to say?

[color=darkred]In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, â??I donâ??t think my church is actually particularly controversial.â?� He said Rev. Wright â??is like an old uncle who says things I donâ??t always agree with,â?� telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

Real nice response....why is he the ONLY candidate that doesn't have to explain himself in this election?

My family is full of aunts, uncles, cousins etc that are uneducated bigots. I certainly do not agree with them on most things and I do not see them often. Nonetheless they are still associated with me as they are blood relatives. I would not be happy if I ran for pres and some fool brought up my family, accusing me of having similar beliefs.

What would you have preferred his answer to be? Bad mouthing his pastor in public is a little immature. And as I said, leaving the church over it may not be any better of an option.

Recently Hillary's adviser made controversial comments that some deemed racist... All she said was that she "didn't agree with all of those views"

And is McCain responsible for his pastor's opinions?



Got some advice for the "white male non-vet" out there. IF he is elected, invest in K.Y., your going to need it!

Why only non-vets? And I seriously hope you wern't talking about KY brand lube.... ewww

I can't imagine any one of the candidates that are/were running (with the exception of McCain and Thompson, they are only excluded because I am scared of such violent nature) that if elected, wouldn't improve this country from the current Bush mess... I do not like Romney, Huckabee, or Hillary, but they would all improve the U.S. to some extent.

Why is life going to be so bad for white males if Obama is elected? There is no way the first black president ever elected would ruin that honor by being openly racist to the largest racial group in the U.S.

peace :rastasmoke:

[Innominate]

I agree with everything he said...but I contend the use of the "N" word under these circumstances. If the African American community yearns for "change" as the rest of America, PROVE IT!
Put down the word where it belongs and quit making society worse for the rest of us.

Melodious Fellow is right, our country is dominated by white supremacy and anyone who defies this fact is living in their own arrogance.

This is a waste of time.

[Psycho4Bud]

:S2: AMAZING! This dude is an open bigot; Obamas church for over 20 years, Obama names a book after one of the bigots preachings and you can honestly defend his affiliation? After the way Clinton was raked over the coals for Bills comments in S.C.?

This isn't an uncle...it's his Reverend. I suppose if Clinton went to a church for 20 years that was headed by a KKK sympathizer that would be cool too? Just a CRAZY ol' uncle right? No reason at ALL to switch churches.

melodious fellow: I'll become bi-partisan when others in here do.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

"I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies," Obama said. "I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Reverend Wright that are at issue."
Obama denounces pastor's 9/11 comments - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080314/ap_on_el_pr/obama_pastor)

LMAO.....this after the fine defense put up for him. Still though, it took him long enough to make this type of statement.:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

[chameleonking]

Obama is a radical who is a danger to the world. Clinton is all about the power & secret deals. McCain is a hardliner who wants to keep the status quo. We have no one to vote for. WHO & what forces are at work here? We are in deep dodo. Probably won't matter. Bush can start a war before his term ended & suspend elections to stay in power. What choice do we really have anyway. True democracy is dead in the USA. I love my country. I hate our government & the electorial system. Oh, almost forgot about the electorial college. They are the ones who really pick our presidents. Our votes are worthless. Maybe, that's why apathy rules when it comes to people in the know. I just hope Obama doesn't get in control of our thousands of nuclear weapons. Because, anyone who really believes what his spiritual guide is preaching is a bust. :mad:

[Humboldt215]

He isnt so shiney and clean is he?

[katyowns]

I don't always believe that the notions of ones friends are the notions of an individual.

I would also like to say I am happy with no candidate in either party at this time, so this election is going to be hard for me. My candidate had no chance, sigh.

[chameleonking]

Stripes don't change. The candidates are who & what they are. So, in my opinion, they're not going to get more acceptable with time. Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Our choice is who will do the least harm. We're going to see a lot of social upheaval & soon. I hope that the change isn't too radical or longlasting. Not a very nice dilemna.:( Oops! I keep forgetting that it's the Electorial College who really vote for & elect our presidents. So, I guess that we really don't have a voting dilemna at all. :wtf: Is the Matrix for real? Oh God, don't let us wake up to that. Sleep, sleep, sleep. Might as well smoke some good weed. It's got to be a better trip than this.:stoned: Can a person stay stoned for 4 to 8 years?

[Rusty Trichome]

I've beeen watching this idiot and his pastor for the past few months.
http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/148793-obama-s-church.html (http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/148793-obama-s-church.html)

How can a man that got the name of his book from one of the rev's sermons, has been an active part of the church for 20 years, was married, and had his kids baptized by the rev, and yet claims to have never ever heard the rev's rhetoric, "from the pews". WTF is that? So the rev talks hatred other times, but not from the pew? (at least whilst Osama Obama is 'in the house') Gee, that sounds plausible.
Osama's wife, last week, was saying how it's the first time in her life she has been proud of being American. Sounds exactly like the rev's bullshit to me. She's clearly heard the rev's diatribes, yet they expect us to believe that Barrak didn't?
Would sure be appropoe if they found a tithe reciept for one of the days featured on the video.

His interview on Fox last night was a blast. Watching him stammer and stumble with his wording...priceless. His lies were obvious, and his pleadings fell on deaf ears.

Yeah, yeah...slavery was a bad thing. Blah, Blah, Blah... The rev is sure fired-up about the white man's role in the slavery and opression of the black man over a century ago, but says nothing about the current slave trades in the region. Somalia and Ethiopia come to mind, just for starters.

We keep hearing how the white man had come across the oceans, and stole them away from their homeland. Any clues where we got those slaves? Do you think we floated by, and said..."hey look, there's a couple of blacks just lying on the beach..."

These two links below, are very informative about the subject.

The Story of Africa| BBC World Service: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica/9chapter3.shtml)
In East Africa a slave trade was well established before the Europeans arrived on the scene. It was driven by the sultanates of the Middle East. African slaves ended up as sailors in Persia, pearl divers in the Gulf, soldiers in the Omani army and workers on the salt pans of Mesopotamia (modern Iraq). Many people were domestic slaves, working in rich households. Women were taken as sex slaves.

Arab traders began to settle among the Africans of the coast, resulting in the emergence of a people and culture known as Swahili. In the second half of the 18th century, the slave trade expanded and became more organised. There was also a huge demand for ivory, and slaves were used as porters to carry it.

Listen to a BBC dramatisation of Sultan Seyyid Said's daughter, Princess Salme, talking about her life in Zanzibar

There were three main reasons why more slaves were required:

1. The clove plantations on Zanzibar and Pemba set up by Sultan Seyyid Said, needed labour.

2. Brazilian traders were finding it difficult to operate in West Africa because the British navy was intercepting slave ships. The Brazilians made the journey round the Cape of Good Hope, taking slaves from the Zambezi valley and Mozambique.

3. The French had started up sugar and coffee plantations in Mauritius and Reunion.

A number of different people -Arabs and Africans - were involved in supplying slaves from the interior, as well as transporting ivory. They included:

· the prazeros, descendants of Portuguese and Africans, operating along the Zambezi,
· the Yao working North East of the Zambezi
· the Makua operating East of the Yao, closer to the coast
· the Nyamwezi (or Yeke) operating further north around Lake Tanganyika under the leadership of Msiri and Mirambo, who established a trading and raiding state in the 1850's which linked up with the Ovimbundu in what is now modern Angola

The most famous trader of all was Tippu Tip, (Hamed bin Mohammed) a Swahili Arab son of a trader, and grandson of an African slave. He was born in Zanzibar of African Arab parentage and went on to establish a base West of Lake Tanganyika, linking up with Msiri. He and his men operated in an area stretching over a thousand miles from inland to the coast.

African slave trade - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade#Source_of_slaves)

"All three slave-trading routes tapped into local trading patterns. Europeans or Arabs in Africa very rarely mounted expeditions to capture slaves. Lack of people and the prevalence of disease prevented any widespread gathering of slaves by Europeans and other non-Africans. Local rulers were very rarely open to allowing groups of armed foreigners to enter their lands. It was far easier and more common to make use of existing African middlemen and slave traders. Slavery has been present in Africa for millennia, and still is today even with children, though some historians prefer to describe African slavery as feudalism, arguing it was more like the serfdom system that controlled the peasantry of Western Europe during the Middle Ages or Russia into the 19th century than slavery as it was practiced in the Americas."

"The slaves came from many different sources. About half came from the societies that sold them. These might be criminals, heretics, the mentally ill, the indebted and any others that had fallen out of favour with the rulers. Little is known about the details of theses practices before the arrival of Europeans, and so it is difficult to tell if the number of people considered as undesirables was artificially increased to provide more slaves for export. It is believed that capital punishment in the region nearly disappeared since prisoners became far too valuable to dispose of in such a way."

[bongerstonerd00d]

I have to agree, the interview on FOX last night was ummm.......priceless.

Berzerk has been up that bigots ass for 22 years and has never heard him spew his venom from the pulpit????........yeah, BULLSHIT!!!!!

I am not the religious type, but it is my understanding that in a CHristians life the person who helps you "find" Christ is someone special to you. And Rev Racist did exactly that for Berzerk Husien.

However, Berzerk only "selectively" remembers hearing him preach love, joy, peace and happiness from the altar?......again, BULLSHIT!

Everytime they show that big mouth, racist, anti-American piece of shit all it does is remind every AWM in America that he needs to get out and vote in November.

My fellow Republicans (the few that we are), see you at the polls in November!


b0nger

[chameleonking]

I saw his interview on the news. He comes off as a smirking, cynical liar. Why, you can read it on his face that he's laughing at us. He acts like the voters are stupid idiots who will buy anything. How about the house he got through special interests? In my opinion, he's full of it. Man, if this guy get's in power we'll be in the biggest trouble in the historty of this nation. The truth is coming out. one thing about our system is that it will sift through your past. It'll look at your affiliations & the company you keep. The people he surrounds himself are radical & scary. So, to me his true self is revealed to be radical & scary too. Does he really believe he can just blow off his history & no one will care? Get real Obama, get lost.:mad:

[Zimzum]

Hey Obama you hypocritical assclown, when you changing churches? :mad:

Have a good one!:s4:

What about McCain's friend pastor Rod Parsley, and his anti Islamic rhetoric? He calls for Christians to wage war on Islam.



In a chapter titled â??Islam: The Deception of Allahâ?�, Parsley warns there is a â??war between Islam and Christian civilisationâ?�. He writes, â??I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfil its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.â?�

He also believes that Christopher Columbus had also sailed to the New World in 1492 for the same purpose.

McCainâ??s â??spiritual adviserâ?? an Islam basher (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C03%5C14%5Cstory_14-3-2008_pg7_10)

John McCain told to dump spiritual guide in row over "war" on Islam (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3548250.ece)

Both McCain and Obama have questionable nutty religious friends.

[chameleonking]

We don't have a good choice. I'm not advocating McCain or Clinton. Neither make me happy in any way. But, we really need to dodge the bullet with this Obama guy. I apologize for not putting this in my prior posting on this thread.

[Rusty Trichome]

What about McCain's friend pastor Rod Parsley, and his anti Islamic rhetoric? He calls for Christians to wage war on Islam.
Both McCain and Obama have questionable nutty religious friends.

Hmmm...
Osama's reverend preaches that AIDS is a white man's engineered infection that is aimed at genocide of the black man.
Osama's reverend preaches that Farahkan is a great leader. (for the muslims, I'm guessing)
Osama's reverend goes to foreign (terrorist) countries to honor those muslim spiritual leaders wanting to eliminate jews, christians, bhudists...and pretty much anyone else that isn't a radical muslim.
Osama's reverend preaches that the government is giving away drugs to the black community, so the blacks can be busted later with the drugs.
Osama's reverend preaches hate for america and non-black americans.
Osama's reverend preaches self help for the black community. (not the christian community)
Osama's reverend preaches BKKK theology. (black kkk)

and then there's McCains spiritual advisor...
Preaches that the bible says homosexuality is a sin.
Preaches that those that wish to do us (christians) harm should be held accountable, and annihilated. I have no problem with either of McCains advisors statements, as both are subjects covered by the bible, not just a weekly political rant, devoid of God's teachings, by an antichrist community insurgent, clothed in the robes of dissent and hate.

[Gorilla's Gal]

I agree! I don't know what people see in him. What qualifications, and experience does he have in order to run the country. All he will leave us in our pockets is CHANGE if he becomes president. I could see if the roles were reversed and it was a white Christian church saying these things and how the liberal news media would be all over it. I know who I'm voting for and I'm not disprespecting anyones's choice BUT if this man wins, the world will have less unity. We are all AMERICAN's in this country, if you leagally live in AMERICA. lGod is alredy being removed from everywhere. The Clinton's aren't better. They only work well together when it comes to their self rightous POWER! They don't care about each other in a marital sense just to gain more power. Bill will have a lot of time on his hands if Hillary wins. She is scary too!

[Psycho4Bud]

Hmmm...
Osama's reverend preaches that AIDS is a white man's engineered infection that is aimed at genocide of the black man.
Osama's reverend preaches that Farahkan is a great leader. (for the muslims, I'm guessing)
Osama's reverend goes to foreign (terrorist) countries to honor those muslim spiritual leaders wanting to eliminate jews, christians, bhudists...and pretty much anyone else that isn't a radical muslim.
Osama's reverend preaches that the government is giving away drugs to the black community, so the blacks can be busted later with the drugs.
Osama's reverend preaches hate for america and non-black americans.
Osama's reverend preaches self help for the black community. (not the christian community)
Osama's reverend preaches BKKK theology. (black kkk)

and then there's McCains spiritual advisor...
Preaches that the bible says homosexuality is a sin.
Preaches that those that wish to do us (christians) harm should be held accountable, and annihilated. I have no problem with either of McCains advisors statements, as both are subjects covered by the bible, not just a weekly political rant, devoid of God's teachings, by an antichrist community insurgent, clothed in the robes of dissent and hate.

HELL YEAH! NOT God damn America.....God damn Obama and his wife that feels that she's FINALLY proud to be an American.:S4:

The assclown must have noticed a drop in the polls to make public statement....

Have a good one!:s4:

[Humboldt215]

Did everybody miss the sound clip of Michelle Obamma stating something to the effect that Hillary would never get shot for being black while getting gas, I know this NOT an exact quote but its the jist of it.

I feel the Obamma campaign is just a tool of other interests and as a previous poster said "we gotta dodge the bullet on this one"

Who to vote for? Surely not Hit-lery.

McCain? well he was my fav choice until I heard about him having a hand in getting the contract for our mid air re-fuelers to France instead of Boeing (lots of lost jobs there).

Maybe a McCain/Romney ticket or Huckabee and if McCain doesnt make a full 4 yrs at least somebody with better standings would be president.

Hard to say.

[DaBudhaStank]

I don't care too much who'll be president since they'd ALL be absolutely horriffic, but ANYONE but Mitt Romney is good enough for me. Thank god he dropped out. I mean seriously, a mormon as president? Are you fucking joking? I think it's high time we had a president who straight up didn't mention his religion at all; even better would be an atheist or at least agnostic president, but of course that's never gonna happen.

[Mr. Clandestine]

HELL YEAH! NOT God damn America.....God damn Obama and his wife that feels that she's FINALLY proud to be an American.:S4:

Agreed. I don't want to be brash and attack someone who might be enthralled with Obama for whatever reason. But hearing about all the hate that his reverend spews, and knowing that Obama has proudly been a member there for however many years, it should make even his supporters question where the mans loyalty lies.

As for his wife, she grew up in a two family home, got good grades in school, and is now a lawyer. What in the hell would she know about discrimination? She's as spoiled as her husband...

[Rusty Trichome]

but ANYONE but Mitt Romney is good enough for me. Thank god he dropped out. I mean seriously, a mormon as president? Are you fucking joking?

Wow...so it's ok to bash mormons without cause? Are you joking? I suggest you list your reasons for this insult, or offer an apology. So what has the Mormon church done to you to enable you to form such hate and closed-mindedness?

Exactly what is it about Mormons you disagree with?
Have you ever studied their doctrine?
Ever been to any Mormon services?
Have you ever been inside a Mormon church?
Ever heard anything beyond bigoted sophmoric gossip from equally bigoted friends, that would justify your remarks?
Did your theological undergraduate studies end in the 1800's?
How about your American political history? Ever check to see exactly what Mormons vote for in the house and senate?

Anti-Mormon Propaganda (http://www.allaboutmormons.com/brief_critique_anti-mormon_propaganda.php)

The Mormon God and Jesus (http://www.allaboutmormons.com/misconceptions_jesus_christ_god_the_father_christi anity_joseph_smith.php)

I for one, would much rather someone that actually has a strong moral compass run this country, than an agnostic, an atheist, or a bigot. And oh, by the way...my wife is an active Mormon, and I will be looking for the apology.


I've said it before, I'll say it again...McCain/Romney '08.

[katyowns]

I for one, would much rather someone that actually has a strong moral compass run this country, than an agnostic, an atheist, or a bigot. And oh, by the way...my wife is an active Mormon, and I will be looking for the apology.


I've said it before, I'll say it again...McCain/Romney '08.


I am a believer myself, but I dislike the implication that non-believers can't have a strong moral compass. Religion isn't the only place to form your morals and ethics, and many churches teach less than christ-like beliefs (as this post proves).
It's just something to think about, considering you're asking that girl for an apology while simultaneously insulting non-believers.



As for Romney, as a resident of Massachusetts, I got to see how he runs a political office up close and personal, and let me say, it ain't pretty. It has nothing to do with his beliefs, he's just a terrible candidate for ANY office.

[Zimzum]

I am a believer myself, but I dislike the implication that non-believers can't have a strong moral compass. Religion isn't the only place to form your morals and ethics, and many churches teach less than christ-like beliefs (as this post proves).
It's just something to think about, considering you're asking that girl for an apology while simultaneously insulting non-believers.



As for Romney, as a resident of Massachusetts, I got to see how he runs a political office up close and personal, and let me say, it ain't pretty. It has nothing to do with his beliefs, he's just a terrible candidate for ANY office.

I second both these statements. :thumbsup:

[Mr. Clandestine]

I've said it before, I'll say it again...McCain/Romney '08.

My name is Mister Clandestine... and I approve of this message. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

I am a believer myself, but I dislike the implication that non-believers can't have a strong moral compass. Religion isn't the only place to form your morals and ethics, and many churches teach less than christ-like beliefs (as this post proves).
It's just something to think about, considering you're asking that girl for an apology while simultaneously insulting non-believers.

As for Romney, as a resident of Massachusetts, I got to see how he runs a political office up close and personal, and let me say, it ain't pretty. It has nothing to do with his beliefs, he's just a terrible candidate for ANY office.
I claim no church, and I attend no house of worship, but yes, I do still get my social bearings from my peers, most of whom are mormon or christians.
Not that I'm a non-believer, but am a non-believer in most 'organized' religion. In my opinion, religion has been watered down thru all of these offshoot churches designed to fit a clique, (and fill their coffers) rather than offer spirituality thru christ. We've got a religion for everyone. The Trinity United Church of Christ is a great example of this 'selective spirituality'.

Anyway, I didn't say non-believers can't have a moral compass. But yes, I am more likely to trust voting for those with truly judeo-christian values, morals and ethics, over the NOI or the Trinity United Church of Christ. (aren't they the same thing?)

As for Romney, I sure could do with a bit more conservatism in his tax and healthcare philosophies, but at least we know exactly what he is, and what we might expect he'd do. :jointsmile:

[Mr. Clandestine]

I for one am atheist, or at the very least confused and relatively uncaring about religion in general, and I have far stronger morality and humanity that 99% of people who spout their religious diatribe everyday.

You've personally interviewed 99% of these religious folks? I'm not saying you can't be an atheist (or agnostic) and not encompass moral values, but it's sort of silly to make the claim that those who base morality on teachings of their religion are devoid of humanity, too weak to distinguish between right and wrong on their own, or whatever you said.

Romney is in favor of civil-unions for gays, and monogamous relationships for heterosexuals. Lots of people played roles in the demonization of marijuana over the years, and I don't see this problem being addressed by any candidates. McCain certainly isn't pro-cannabis, but that shouldn't be the primary reason not to vote for him. Religious preferences, and similar party issues aside, we should vote for who we think would be the best candidate to represent America, and her interests. National security is a big issue for me, and I don't see either of the Democrats looking to play any role in keeping us safe. If either of them become President, countless terrorists throughout the world will declare victory against America... and will likely become emboldened. They're bold enough as it is, and I'll be voting for someone who I know will bring the fight to them before they have the chance to bring it to us again.

Simply not voting isn't going to solve any of our problems. In fact, it'll probably only compound them. We have to take baby steps towards becoming the America that we all envision... it's not just going to happen overnight.

[DaBudhaStank]

I had a long post earlier, but due to it's content it was deleted. I'm allowed to repost it, but I'm way too lazy. Suffice to say, katyowns has very valid points, but I'm not a girl, not sure where that came from, lol. Also, Mormons are one of the key contributors to the condemnation and demonization of marijuana in the U.S. Yadda yadda yadda, Romney would probably push for polygamy after he bans gay marriage, because if your a man, 8 brainwashed wives is better than 1 husband, etc etc etc, I wont mention Warren Jeffs or his crazy fucked up buddies over there in Utah (a state I refuse to even drive through if possible). So all in all, yes, I avoid Mormonism like the plague, and it wasn't the South Park episode that did it. Though, it was incredibly funny and accurate. All in all, religion means nothing and has no bearing on morality or the ability to have good judgement. Lastly, people need to stop voting so as to make a point, being that the governement needs to get off it's ass and actually start taking into consideration what people want as a whole instead of doing it's best to divide us. I can't really remember everything I wrote before, I had a hefty bong bowl between now and then. And no, I won't apologize. I'll never apologize for my viewpoints, as I doubt Mitt Romney would if I met him in person. Ugh, just thinking of meeting him in person makes me sick, like the medical marijuana patient with crippling spinal pain and injuries that incapacitated him who couldn't even get the time of day from him. There's a youtube vid up there somewhere, but I'm not very computer savvy so I have no idea how to put it here. It's on here somewhere.

[HerbalConfusion]

Osama's reverend preaches that AIDS is a white man's engineered infection that is aimed at genocide of the black man.



You would be surprised?

[Rusty Trichome]

I had a long post earlier, but due to it's content it was deleted. I'm allowed to repost it, but I'm way too lazy. Suffice to say, katyowns has very valid points, but I'm not a girl, not sure where that came from, lol. Also, Mormons are one of the key contributors to the condemnation and demonization of marijuana in the U.S. Yadda yadda yadda, Romney would probably push for polygamy after he bans gay marriage, because if your a man, 8 brainwashed wives is better than 1 husband, etc etc etc, I wont mention Warren Jeffs or his crazy fucked up buddies over there in Utah (a state I refuse to even drive through if possible). So all in all, yes, I avoid Mormonism like the plague, and it wasn't the South Park episode that did it. Though, it was incredibly funny and accurate. All in all, religion means nothing and has no bearing on morality or the ability to have good judgement. Lastly, people need to stop voting so as to make a point, being that the governement needs to get off it's ass and actually start taking into consideration what people want as a whole instead of doing it's best to divide us. I can't really remember everything I wrote before, I had a hefty bong bowl between now and then. And no, I won't apologize. I'll never apologize for my viewpoints, as I doubt Mitt Romney would if I met him in person. Ugh, just thinking of meeting him in person makes me sick, like the medical marijuana patient with crippling spinal pain and injuries that incapacitated him who couldn't even get the time of day from him. There's a youtube vid up there somewhere, but I'm not very computer savvy so I have no idea how to put it here. It's on here somewhere.

Bummer some your viewpoints are based on myths and lies, but hey...at best all I can say is that I don't share your viewpoints, and your statements were lacking in anything but prejudice and bigotry.
The mormon church denounced polygamy in 1882, I believe. Exactly along the lines of what I was refering to with all the different sects, and all the different belief systems.
The somewhat apparent difference between you and I, I take the time to learn about someone, or a group of someones, before I form enough knowlege to like or dislike them.

[rebgirl420]

Well, this Rev. Wright is obviously touched in the head. This is what happens when people get a little too "into" the consiracy aisle at Barnes and Nobles.

However, just because a member of society chooses to endorse a candidate it DOESN'T mean the candidate supports that particular member of society.

McCain had run ins with off the wall religious figures too. I'm sure EVERY person who has run in politics since the beginning of time have had this problem.



I take this whole situation with a grain of salt.

[Orzy]

Well, this Rev. Wright is obviously touched in the head. This is what happens when people get a little too "into" the consiracy aisle at Barnes and Nobles.

However, just because a member of society chooses to endorse a candidate it DOESN'T mean the candidate supports that particular member of society.

McCain had run ins with off the wall religious figures too. I'm sure EVERY person who has run in politics since the beginning of time have had this problem.



I take this whole situation with a grain of salt.

Yeah, I mean.. so what if his preacher has some radical ideas? Obama has been quoted, before the "God Damn America" story, as saying he doesn't always agree with what the Reverend says.

Don't even get me started on the people who will complain about what his CHRISTIAN PASTOR said and then two minutes later accuse Obama of being a Muslim.

Not to mention that there isn't anything wrong with being a Muslim.

[katyowns]

Yeah, I mean.. so what if his preacher has some radical ideas? Obama has been quoted, before the "God Damn America" story, as saying he doesn't always agree with what the Reverend says.

Don't even get me started on the people who will complain about what his CHRISTIAN PASTOR said and then two minutes later accuse Obama of being a Muslim.

Not to mention that there isn't anything wrong with being a Muslim.


I agree with all of this. Well said.

[Psycho4Bud]

However, just because a member of society chooses to endorse a candidate it DOESN'T mean the candidate supports that particular member of society.

It's not the endorsement.....he was an active member of the Church for over 20 years. He named a book after one of this assclowns preachings. His wife pretty much confirmed their inner thoughts with her statement about FINALLY being proud to be an American. 1+1=2 in my book.


Yeah, I mean.. so what if his preacher has some radical ideas? Obama has been quoted, before the "God Damn America" story, as saying he doesn't always agree with what the Reverend says.

Yeah, crazy ol' uncle syndrome right? So what doesn't he agree with and what does he agree with? The government created AIDS to kill off the black race? We deserved 9-11?

So which black person is whitey holding back? The jocks with multi-million dollar contracts....the ones in the music industry....Oprah and her billion dollar net worth? LOL, maybe Obama and his poor unfortunate wife? Guess what? There are poor white people out there too but they don't have the luxury of affirmative action working in their favor.

When you run for office you KNOW that every aspect of your life is going to be under the spotlight. Like I've stated before, if this were either Clinton or McCain going to a church that was pro-KKK, the left wing media would be running the story to death!

Have a good one!:s4:

[McLeodGanja]

I can understand completely why the left wing Obama supporters don't reply on this.

I was on vacation!:D

The rest of us are just too stoned to comment...

[Orzy]

Yeah, crazy ol' uncle syndrome right? So what doesn't he agree with and what does he agree with? The government created AIDS to kill off the black race? We deserved 9-11?

So which black person is whitey holding back? The jocks with multi-million dollar contracts....the ones in the music industry....Oprah and her billion dollar net worth? LOL, maybe Obama and his poor unfortunate wife? Guess what? There are poor white people out there too but they don't have the luxury of affirmative action working in their favor.

When you run for office you KNOW that every aspect of your life is going to be under the spotlight. Like I've stated before, if this were either Clinton or McCain going to a church that was pro-KKK, the left wing media would be running the story to death!

Have a good one!:s4:

Regardless of the fact that he says he doesn't agree with the reverend. Isn't Obama's mother white? Do you really think he has these black supremacist ideas when a white woman raised him? When Obama starts saying stuff like that then you can criticize his radical ideas, but until then I'm honestly pretty happy with a candidate whose big bad secret is that his preacher says some crazy shit.

I've talked to some far right Christians who will align a preachers thoughts with the people that sit under him, but not being even slightly religious myself that doesn't make any sense to me. Or most other people, religious or not, that I've talked to. And really those far right Christians wouldn't vote for a dem anyway, so I don't really see this story hurting Obama's votes.

[Rusty Trichome]

Isn't Obama's mother white? Do you really think he has these black supremacist ideas when a white woman raised him? When Obama starts saying stuff like that then you can criticize his radical ideas, but until then I'm honestly pretty happy with a candidate whose big bad secret is that his preacher says some crazy shit.
From what I've heard, being white doesn't preclude one from being muslim.
Isn't just his preacher making foolish comments. What about his wife, and her statement a couple of weeks ago stating how she is for the first time, proud to be an american. It falls into the same category of (parroted) rhetoric. I wonder where she has heard those views before...?


I've talked to some far right Christians who will align a preachers thoughts with the people that sit under him, but not being even slightly religious myself that doesn't make any sense to me. Or most other people, religious or not, that I've talked to. And really those far right Christians wouldn't vote for a dem anyway, so I don't really see this story hurting Obama's votes.
The examples you draw on to form your socio-political, socio-ethnic, and socio-theological views, says a bunch about ones character. If he had for many years developed his charachter and viewpoints from Hitler, Idi Amin Dada or Saddam Hussein, (no relation) would you not find it an untennable assosciation, given Obama is running for office of president of the USA?

Were I new to a city, and I go to a local church to hear about the word of god, to hear about my role in christianity and to have my morals and values re-affirmed and grown along christian lines, and a skinhead got up to chant nazi propoganda, bashing my community, my relatives, my friends, and my country, it wouldn't take but a few minutes for me to leave. And weather you like it or not, all the people sitting there in the pews for years, singing the nazi songs and praising the hatred, are either in agreement with the message or don't sprechen ze english.
I would leave because, altho learning about other cultures and belief systems is a great way to understand more of oneself, bullshit is bullshit. That skinhead preacher has nothing to offer me except hatred for others, and ways to interprete the bible in ways that circumvent conventional wisdom, and christian principles.

Just like Rev. Wright and his protoge.
(Mentorship refers to a developmental relationship between a more experienced mentor and a less experienced partner referred to as a protégéâ??a person guided and protected by a more prominent person.)

[Orzy]

From what I've heard, being white doesn't preclude one from being muslim.

What are you talking about Muslims for? P4b's post was in reference to the black supremacist ideas that Wright has. I was just saying that I would find it hard to believe that Obama would harbor hatred for whites when his own mother was white.



Isn't just his preacher making foolish comments. What about his wife, and her statement a couple of weeks ago stating how she is for the first time, proud to be an american. It falls into the same category of (parroted) rhetoric. I wonder where she has heard those views before...?

Honestly, I think the whole "proud to be American" stuff is bullshit. When I think of pride I think of one taking pride in their work, not something that happened by chance. Besides me disagreeing with that whole thing.. His wife was merely trying to emphasize just how proud of the country she was at this time. She has said before that if it were not for this country her and her husband wouldn't have the opportunities they have. She misspoke and it sounded a lot worse that it should have. Lets pretend that she really isn't "proud to be American", bleh, do you think she would intentionally same something like that when her husband is running for president?




The examples you draw on to form your socio-political, socio-ethnic, and socio-theological views, says a bunch about ones character. If he had for many years developed his charachter and viewpoints from Hitler, Idi Amin Dada or Saddam Hussein, (no relation) would you not find it an untennable assosciation, given Obama is running for office of president of the USA?

Were I new to a city, and I go to a local church to hear about the word of god, to hear about my role in christianity and to have my morals and values re-affirmed and grown along christian lines, and a skinhead got up to chant nazi propoganda, bashing my community, my relatives, my friends, and my country, it wouldn't take but a few minutes for me to leave. And weather you like it or not, all the people sitting there in the pews for years, singing the nazi songs and praising the hatred, are either in agreement with the message or don't sprechen ze english.
I would leave because, altho learning about other cultures and belief systems is a great way to understand more of oneself, bullshit is bullshit. That skinhead preacher has nothing to offer me except hatred for others, and ways to interprete the bible in ways that circumvent conventional wisdom, and christian principles.

Just like Rev. Wright and his protoge.
(Mentorship refers to a developmental relationship between a more experienced mentor and a less experienced partner referred to as a protégéâ??a person guided and protected by a more prominent person.)

Personally, I've never sat in one of Wright's sermons, but I don't think you have either. A story comes up of him saying some crazy shit, out of his 40 year career as a rev., and you suddenly assume that all he does is preach hate and bigotry? Common sense tells me that a senator with presidential prospects wouldn't stick around if that's all he did.

But.. yeah, pretty much I don't care what kind of church our president goes to. As long as he wants to better our country and convinces me he will be a good leader then I'm sold.

Past presidents have had connections with people far, far worse than a crazy preacher. Thoughts of Reagan giving weapons to the Afghanis comes to mind.

[Rusty Trichome]

An almost comical response. Thanks for the chuckles. :thumbsup:
Was infering his mothers theological leanings:

When Obama was 2 years old, his parents divorced and his father moved away from the familyâ??s home in Hawaii. Four years later, his mother married an Indonesian man, Lolo Soetoro, who moved his new wife and stepson to Jakarta.

â??During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school,â?� Obama wrote in â??Audacity.â?� â??In our household, the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf.â?�

Obamaâ??s stepfather was a practicing Muslim.

Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to__pre sident_.html)

[Psycho4Bud]

Regardless of the fact that he says he doesn't agree with the reverend. Isn't Obama's mother white? Do you really think he has these black supremacist ideas when a white woman raised him?

Obama's parents met while both were attending the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where his father was enrolled as a foreign student.[11] They separated when he was two years old and later divorced.[12] His father received a Masters Degree in Economics from Harvard University, then returned to Kenya, where he became a finance minister before dying in an automobile accident in 1982.[13][14] His mother married another foreign student, Lolo Soetoro, and the family moved to Soetoro's home country of Indonesia in 1967.[15] Obama attended local schools in Jakarta where classes were taught in Bahasa, the language of Indonesia and Malaysia, from ages 6 to 10. Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim, the religion of his father, at both of the elementary schools he attended, the Fransiskus Assisis school for almost three years,[16], and then, when his family moved to a new neighborhood, the government-run SDN Menteng 1 to complete the third and fourth grades.[17][18] At the Catholic school he was required to pray to Christ before and after each class, while in his last year he received two hours of training a week in Islamic practice. [19] According to Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro, "My father never went to prayer services except for big communal events."[20] Obama returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School, a private college preparatory school, from the fifth grade until his graduation in 1979.
Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama)

Raised "just" by his mother? Seems momma may have been white but preferred to be with non-white males. Christ, after reading this and hearing all the "poor ol' Obama....just him and ma toughing it out in Hawaii".....what a joke! Hillary may not know what it's like to be a poor black man but he sure the hell doesn't have a clue either. Here's a bit about step-daddy:

Soetoro worked for the Indonesian government and later a U.S. oil company before he and Obama's mother divorced in the late 1970s. Soetoro died of a liver ailment in 1987 at age 51.
LOLO SOETORO :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Obama Family Tree (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545455,BSX-News-wotreegg09.stng)

He chose his church and his mentor on his own. Don't you think that these type of discussions woudn't come up with your mentor? Or somebody you considered as close as an uncle?



I've talked to some far right Christians who will align a preachers thoughts with the people that sit under him, but not being even slightly religious myself that doesn't make any sense to me. Or most other people, religious or not, that I've talked to. And really those far right Christians wouldn't vote for a dem anyway, so I don't really see this story hurting Obama's votes.

The man that was so shiny clean has some dirt on his ass now. Between this and Rezko he's had clean-up to do. The DNC wants somebody that can beat McCain. Obama looked like the person because of his image but now that's gone. Based on experience on foriegn affairs not to mention track records on things like earmarks....McCain now leads Obama in the general election polls.

If he's nominated....watch a large sector of the Clinton fan club to jump over to McCain or stay home in November.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Orzy]

An almost comical response. Thanks for the chuckles. :thumbsup:
Was infering his mothers theological leanings:

When Obama was 2 years old, his parents divorced and his father moved away from the familyâ??s home in Hawaii. Four years later, his mother married an Indonesian man, Lolo Soetoro, who moved his new wife and stepson to Jakarta.

â??During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominately Muslim school,â?� Obama wrote in â??Audacity.â?� â??In our household, the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf.â?�

Obamaâ??s stepfather was a practicing Muslim.

Can a past of Islam change the path to president for Obama? - Examiner.com (http://www.examiner.com/a-534540~Can_a_past_of_Islam_change_the_path_to__pre sident_.html)


I don't understand what you're trying to say?

To me it's kind of offensive when people act as if having an Islamic background is a bad thing.

[Orzy]

The man that was so shiny clean has some dirt on his ass now. Between this and Rezko he's had clean-up to do. The DNC wants somebody that can beat McCain. Obama looked like the person because of his image but now that's gone. Based on experience on foriegn affairs not to mention track records on things like earmarks....McCain now leads Obama in the general election polls.

If he's nominated....watch a large sector of the Clinton fan club to jump over to McCain or stay home in November.

Have a good one!:s4:

If Obama does win the nomination it definitely isn't going to be as easy to beat McCain as originally thought. It'll be an interesting election since McCain is really not that far right and both Hillary and Obama have some extremely liberal ideas.

[yokinazu]

this one time, at band camp.....

[Rusty Trichome]

I have nothing against the muslim mainstream, but am against a quasi-muslim church that masks itself in the label of christianity.

I wonder why Oprah quit that church?

Oprah on a Mission: Dispensing a Gospel of Health and Happiness (http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=2617)
"The timing of the TV show, at least in the Chicago area -- Oprahâ??s home turf -- has a whiff of morning service. Itâ??s an hour-long ritual each weekday at 9 AM., adding up to a lot more pulpit time per week than the average pastor enjoys, and in front of a lot bigger congregation. (Oprah herself used to attend a large Chicago church -- Trinity United Church of Christ, pastored by Jeremiah Wright. But according to Wrightâ??s secretary, Janet Moore, Oprah hasnâ??t attended in 12 years.)"

[fiddyonefiddy]

ahhh religion and politics
what better things to discuss
radical any religion is stupid what ever religion you want to mention
it would take days to list them all from the dawn of time,and as long as records have been kept,more wars and death have come from religion.
we have it here,as the reverend so nicely showed us, and he has the right to say whatever he wants. thats his god given right freedom of speech,er did i say god given.hehehe silly me constitutional god given right.

is he right about an uncle that talks that way, yes i believe alot of us probably have that uncle, do i go see him every sunday and give him money to support him with tithes? nnooopppeee
and i believe allot of us would say no to.

after my experiences,with church, i think religion gives hypocrites something to feel good about. they are the first to cast the stone when they are supposed to forgive and don't.just like now after reading these posts.

there are the exceptions, but the rule is always the same.what ever the religion,its probably more human nature i suppose.
who the h e double hockey sticks knows?
mcains gonna win anyway so it will all be a mute point shortly.

the golden rule:
he who has all the gold, makes all the rules.

speedy

[Psycho4Bud]

is he right about an uncle that talks that way, yes i believe alot of us probably have that uncle, do i go see him every sunday and give him money to support him with tithes? nnooopppeee
and i believe allot of us would say no to.

I remember when I was a kid, my aunt Betty was a loon. ALOT of times when we left her house the ol' man would say right out not to pay attention what the woman had to say it was WRONG and she was drunk.

When ya walk out of your church how many times have you looked at your children and told them to nevermind what the Reverend had to say? I'll bet Obama didn't either....

Have a good one!:s4: