what am i doing wrong?

[mushaboom]

picture two is of two clones that i took two days ago. they were fine until today and then they just keeled over. is it pointless to keep them or could they possibly spring back?
picture 3 is just a general picture of the plant im worried about
picture 4 is a closeup of the spots
picture 5 is a picture of the new growth
picture 6 is weli dont k now what that is but it looks messed up doesnt it? i think it might just be an old leaf though.

this plant is a couple months old clone in a rockwool cube under two 24" t5's. it was in a soilless mixture that i made until yesterday when i got the bright idea to scoop out as much free soil as i could with fox farm light warrior. hopefuly it works. i have no idea what could be going on. every once in a while ill feed her any of the following: pure blend pro grow, liquid karma, cal mag plus, hydroguard, sweet. if theres any more information i could add here let me know. i have to get rid of this problem!

[carinia]

Ouch brah.
Id say your clones are gone, and your plant looks like it might be over fertalized. When and how much are you giving those nutes? And how old is this plant and what kind of pot is it in? Can you fill out the problem section sticky and answer those questions as best as you can, that should help! :)

[Mr. Clandestine]

I'm not sure what to say about your clones, as I have no experience with rockwool. I do all my cloning in Jiffy pellets, and pH problems can be an issue in both. Are you keeping them in a humidity dome? If they're fresh, you want to keep the humidity very high for at least the first week. Also, cutting the larger leaves in half really helps to cut down on transpiration, and seems to help them retain their turgidity.

As for the rest, fill out the Troubleshooting form (http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/127058-troubleshooting-form-yay-you-know-you-wanted-one.html) and post your conditions. You'll be able to get more tailored answers that way.

Take care. :jointsmile:

[mushaboom]

indoor fox farms light warrior with nothing added. i dont know the soil pH but i can check the run off later if you guys think it looks like a pH thing. i use tap water with a pH of about 6.8 on average. the plant is a 2-3 month old clone in a 5 gallon pot. it is a couple inches away from 2 24' t5's. ive probably only fed the plant 3-4 times ever with botanicare nutrients. the temperature stays at about 78 and the humidity is around 45%. a small fan is providing plenty of ventilation.

[ojitos1985]

i had the problem in the 4 picture, was the soil lacked of nutrients, may be i am wrong, could be over fertilized too...

[mushaboom]

i dont think the soil ever lacked nutrients because its always had fresh soil, and im pretty sure i never overfertilized. i forgot to mention i had a spider mite problem up until a couple weeks ago. i bought a pest strip and theyre all gone now. this plant wasnt really affected too much by the mites but there were a couple on it. i also forget to mention i did spray the whole plant with soap in order to help get rid of mites and i thinking maybe the plant got burned in a few spots because of that. still, i don thtink that would have caused this much of a reaction.

[Weedhound]

Ouch.....soil ph first....bet you fifty to one its off. Are you phing your water and nutes before you add them to the soil?

There could be many more problems....but your (suspected) abnormal ph is most likely causing the worst of your problems.

[Weedhound]

Revised: The Complete Guide To Sick Plants,pH and Pest Troubles - PlanetGanja.com (http://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=8778)

This is a great troubleshooting guide....I'm anything but a soil pro. Good luck. ;)

[mushaboom]

thanks im looking into that link right now

[mushaboom]

ok im pretty sure its pH. i just checked the pH of my tap water and its about 7.5 id say which is way too high. with my nutrients in the pH goes to about 6.5. in my soil... i have no idea what the pH in there is. i tested some run off water and the pH came out a little bit above 7. hopefully my plant springs back.

[mushaboom]

anyone have any other opinions, i still think its pH but im not an expert with plant problems as ive never really had any till now. i took out alll the loose soil i could and replaced it with light warrior which is pH balanced somewhere in the mid 6's i believe.
ive been watering with some water thats a little too basic so i added a little bit of nutrients to it to get it back down to about 6.5 pH.

my question is, if this indeed is a pH problem, have i done everything i can to get rid of it? and, where do i go from here? im thinking its just a waiting game now and hopefully in a week or so itll be back to its normal green healthy self. thanks for all the help so far too!

[adr0510]

Looks like you may have a manganese or pottasium defiency. Just need to add some greensand for manganese. For the pottasium use Earthjuice. If its not the acid problem then you may have a calicium defiency.

[stinkyattic]

Looks like you may have a manganese or pottasium defiency. Just need to add some greensand for manganese. For the pottasium use Earthjuice. If its not the acid problem then you may have a calicium defiency.Have you ever grown before? Or were you just looking at the troubleshooting pictures?
This is a formal warning: If you don't know about the subject, don't try to pretend you do. This is not a game- our members are real, legal, medical users who have a limited plant count and depend upon their medicine. Following confidently-posted CRAP advice from n00bs could potentially KILL their plants and deprive them of this medicine.
By the way, the elements are spelled 'Potassium' and 'Calcium'.

Mushaboom, you are cloning into a hydroponic medium and should aim for a pH right at 6.0 for your RW cubes. Treat them [cubes not clones] before cloning to achieve this- soak in a 6.0 solution or a commercial RW conditioner, rinse with 6.0 pH'd tap water, squeeze out excess, and use.
You look like you have too much heat/light and not enough moisture, but without a reasonable pH you won't gain a lot from correcting that.

As for the older plant, I see scarring from Magnesium deficiency on the low leaves, and slight fertilizer burn on the upper ones. That spells lockout to me. You are running soilless, which means your pH should be dialled in around 6.2-6.5, and don't scoop out soil- you'll damage roots. You need to flush with tap water at pH 6.4 to bring your medium in range, and then feed with a COMPLETE fertilizer that contains micronutrients. Get on a regular feeding schedule too- not just whenever you remember to feed. This is important. Be consistent. Your upper leaves don't look bad actually, and I think that you may already have flushed out the worst salts that were in the soil, but you will need to be sure.
If I were you, I'd lose the LK and hydroguard for now, flush well, and do a light foliar feed with a micronutrient such as GH micro or Algoflash mixed up at half strength.

[adr0510]

Well noone is going to listen to me anyways I just like to thread on here. You worry too much :cool:

[adr0510]

Who the hell cares about spelling:wtf:

[Mr. Clandestine]

Who the hell cares about spelling:wtf:

The person you're giving "advice" to probably does... :wtf:

Don't flame, man... this isn't a competition. Stinky made her case crystal clear - the growers here who need advice aren't looking to sift through a bunch of bullshit answers by people who have no clue what they're talking about. If you came here because you want to learn about the finer points of growing this medicine, then by all means, you're welcome to read to your hearts content. There's more than enough solid information in the backlogs of these forums to keep you busy for a very long time.

But you should really watch who you burn bridges with around here. You'll be up shit creek without a paddle (or even a boat) if you've gone and run your mouth to experienced growers like Stinky, and YOUR crop is the one in dire need of sound advice. Something for you to think about.

(Mushaboom - Sorry for counter-hijacking your thread, bro.)
:angry3:

[mushaboom]

well i dont remember what i did to correct it but everything is going great now. incredibly actually. thanks for everyones input and tips. those ugly ugly little clones i had in rockwool seemed like they were dying and hopeless but i never give up and now theyre thriving! ill see about getting some pictures up soon :)