Biggest Growing Mistakes...

[Mr. Clandestine]

Thought I'd try to get a thread started where people could talk about some of the silly mistakes they may have made in the past. Maybe if enough people respond, this can become a thread that curious growers can visit to see exactly how NOT to do something. :D

I'll start:

A few years back, I made a soil mix that turned out to be one of the nasties messes of my then short growing career...

I was pretty new to organic gardening at the time, and had just harvested my first semi-successful organic grow using nothing but all natural products. I saw how forgiving organic fertilizers could be, especially to someone who wasn't really all that confident with nutrients, nutrient regimens, etc. So when the time came for my second organic grow, I wanted to replicate my earlier success, only this time I really wanted to boost my yield. And here's where everything went horribly wrong.

I've never been big on using heavily prefertilized potting soils that you see available all over the place. Miracle Grow, Schultz, Jungle Growth, etc., they all seem to give lots of people problems with everything ranging from pH to accidental overfertilization. So, early on, I started making my own soil mixes. My first organic grow was no different, only I added much of the fertilizers (bone/blood meals, guanos, worm castings, etc.) directly to the soil as amendments, instead of supplementing with them later on. Like I said, my first organic grow went smoothly, so I thought I'd bump it up a notch for the next one.

My preferred mix, ferts excluded, included: mushroom compost, black garden peat, perlite, lime, and humus... when I can find it. My botched second attempt was no different, only I ran out of the compost and humus that I needed to fill my larger pots. I had some, just not enough to fill all the pots. So, instead of taking my lazy ass to the gardening store to pick up some more, I decided to fill in the gaps with this big bag of garden peat I had lying around. Like I said, I was lazy, and really wanted to go ahead and transplant right away. (The plants were about a month old at the time, and I was going to let them veg out for another month in larger pots.) For the amendments (fertilizers), I threw in an ass load of bone meal, blood meal, seabird guano, high-nitrogen bat guano, and worm castings. I didn't even bother measuring out how much of this stuff I was using, I just dumped a lot of it into the container I use to mix soil. There was no method to my madness, and I assumed that with organics I could do no wrong. After mixing everything up thoroughly, I thought I was well on my way to a badass second organic harvest. I was very wrong.

I took the new concoction and filled up ten 3gal pots with it, then transplanted my perfectly healthy seedlings into each pot. I was even feeling cocky about my newfound organic abilities, and decided to add about a half inch of worm castings as a top dressing. For the first week, things seemed to be going just fine. The plants looked healthy, and didn't appear to be stunted by the earlier transplant. Then, starting around week two, I began to notice that my foliage was starting to turn a deep, dark green color and that the leaves were starting to droop. I kept watering as normal, though, thinking little of it at the time. Then the leaf tips started to burn on EVERY plant, and began curling up towards the sky. I finally concluded that something was amiss, and figured I had probably overfertilized with all the stuff I added to the soil. (Like I said, I just dumped the shit in there... no measuring was involved.)

So, arriving at the conclusion that a flush was eminent, I took each pot into my bathroom and got to it. What I saw almost made me puke. Have you ever seen those movies where someone's in the shower and they're bleeding profusely for whatever reason? The runoff of my soil looked IDENTICAL to blood being washed down the drain. It was a thick dark red color, and didn't even seem to dissolve in the water surrounding it leading it to the drain. To make matters worse, it had one of the funkiest smells I've had the misfortune of breathing. If I had to compare it to anything, I'd say it smelled like a very wet and dirty large dog mixed with cow manure and sweaty ass. The smell permeated into the bathroom walls, then throughout the entire house, which left me on the verge of losing my lunch. I probably flushed each pot with 15 gallons of water, and it simply would not wash clean. The runoff was a little bit lighter in terms of color, but now I had another problem. I forgot that I added an unproportional amount of peat moss to the soil, and now it had absorbed as much water as it possibly could, AND a good deal of my perlite had been washed away during the flush. Water was now just making a big puddle in the top of the pot, and wouldn't drain.

I knew I screwed up, but hoped that the flush may have done some good. At least enough for me to make it to the next transplant. Again, dead wrong. The soil would not dry out. Nearly two weeks after the flush, the pots were still saturated with water... and only the top few inches of soil were actually dry. The plants looked pitiful, and now to compound the problem, they were thirsty. Every time I'd water just enough to saturate the top few inches of soil, I'd produce more of that nasty bloody runoff mess... and the whole house would stink again.

As the weeks passed, the plants deteriorated more and more until I finally just gave up on them. To make matters worse, I was so preoccupied with trying to save them, that I never got another crop started and my first organic stash was well-depleted before I had the chance to grow some more. So I was left without any smoke for about 3 months, and a foul smell that took forever and a day to get rid of.

The moral of this story? More ISN'T always better, and no matter how much you think you know, you still have room to learn, and possibly make disastrous mistakes in the process. Now I measure EVERYTHING! :jointsmile:

(And sorry for this lengthy account, I have the tendency to go into lots of detail when I recount my former disasters. Anyone else got a horror story they'd like to share? Hydro, soil, whatever... I'd love to hear it.)

[Weedhound]

Well I have shared my soil growing adventures before but I will detail the joy of them here.

2 (i think) summers ago....first grow ever. A friend gave me a TON of bagseed she had been saving for quite a while.

So.....build a nice stealth outdoor setup. (It really was nice....I still have it.) Buy a ton of 3 gallon pots. Fill 50 pots with soil from around my home (WRONG!!) Place 3 seeds in each pot (WRONG!!) and wait for 2 weeks. Nothing. I planted them too deep (about 2 inches down) and they all sprouted and then died because they couldn't find the surface. (WRONG!!)

So plant 150 more seeds....three to a pot (WRONG!!). None of them sprout. Turns out I left the seeds exposed to air (WRONG!!) and since they were already old I ruined them.

SO....PLANT 60 MORE SEEDS (from a new batch of bagseed) this time in rapid rooters so I can make sure they sprout. They DO! Plant them in all my pots. Every single one grows three inches high and then stops. Every single one. Wait a month. None grow higher. Turns out that the VERY crappy soil I used from my garden was way too claylike and wouldn't drain so the plants could not grow through it.(WRONG!!) They were all three inches high because that's how far the rapid rooter would let them grow. Once they hit the clay outside the rr the roots couldn't penetrate. So they all stopped growing at three inches.

So REtransplant (we are now in August mind you) into good potting soil and they finally start to grow somewhat because it's pretty damn late in the summer by this time.
THEN....guess what. A two week "heat storm" with temps topping out at 113F. At the end of the summer I ended up with about 6 females that lived and less than 2 oz total from my grow.

My most recent soil adventures? One seedling I transplanted 3 times because I could not get the pot to drain right....god knows why since tons of holes and perlite. When I got that straightened out not one half hour later I dropped the entire pot into a big bowl of dog drinking water. That was the end of that sad tryst.

Been trying lately too......First seedling popped fine and then I burned it to death with with bug spray. Next two seedlings (one at a time) I germ under too hot a light (400mh....they were too close) and they were both born without any true leaves (burned off I pontificate.) The fourth seedling I popped successfully under a cfl and when she turned 10 days old the cat ate her.

I don't even know what the moral of the story is......don't touch dirt??? :wtf:

[Mr. Clandestine]

I don't even know what the moral of the story is......don't touch dirt??? :wtf:

Great story! And I think that's a benchmark for almost anyone that wants to go from smoking the good herb to growing the good herb. Trying to grow something indoors or out, and with just the materials you have lying around. Usually failing miserably! :o

I hear this method a good bit: Handful of clay (or whatever you're front yard primarily consists of), maybe a little potting soil if you've read anything on the subject, a slightly lit windowsill, and then BAM!... instant gardener status. Several inches of growth later, everything dies, and you're stuck wondering where things could have possibly gone wrong.

Moral # 2 - cannabis roots don't grow well in clay. Check!

Thanks for sharing! :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Mr C....If I could grow a for even a couple weeks in dirt I'd consider it a HUGE success. :D

PS And when it went wrong I KNEW what the problem was......it was the PLANT'S FAULT!! :S2:

[Mr. Clandestine]

PS And when it went wrong I KNEW what the problem was......it was the PLANT'S FAULT!! :S2:

LMAO! Of course, it always is. :D

[Twentyinches]

it smelled like a very wet and dirty large dog mixed with cow manure and sweaty ass.

LOL! and I thought my 13 mo old rott smelled bad after leaving her outside all day. No cow manure in my yard but wet, sweaty ass... sure! :D

I've prolly messed so many things up and not even known it that I can't even think of anything at the moment...although the 3 bowls i just had may have somethign to do with that lol. Some of the causes of my probs have went undiagnosed so who knows :jointsmile:

[Mr. Clandestine]

LOL! and I thought my 13 mo old rott smelled bad after leaving her outside all day.

Man, I'll tell you what... your rottweiler probably had shit that smelled like roses and lavender compared to the funk that I had to deal with. I'm not even sure where the wet dog smell came from, but it was definitely there. For several months, my wife and I were hating life. Thanks for reviving this post before it slipped into oblivion, too... I'd still love have folks list their goof ups. If nothing else, it makes for some fun reading!:jointsmile:

How old is your dog? We're looking to getting a rottweiler puppy that our youngun can help us raise. I hate the bad rap rotties and pitbulls have gotten over the years. I've owned both, raised from puppies (and NOT on raw meat), and they turned out to be the sweetest animals. Only time they might get aggressive is if they think someone is harming their owners. Very loyal dogs.

[Twentyinches]

Man, I'll tell you what... your rottweiler probably had shit that smelled like roses and lavender compared to the funk that I had to deal with. I'm not even sure where the wet dog smell came from, but it was definitely there. For several months, my wife and I were hating life. Thanks for reviving this post before it slipped into oblivion, too... I'd still love have folks list their goof ups. If nothing else, it makes for some fun reading!:jointsmile:

How old is your dog? We're looking to getting a rottweiler puppy that our youngun can help us raise. I hate the bad rap rotties and pitbulls have gotten over the years. I've owned both, raised from :puppies (and NOT on raw meat), and they turned out to be the sweetest animals. Only time they might get aggressive is if they think someone is harming their owners. Very loyal dogs.

Heck yes np, this post should be 5 pages long by now with mess-ups. But I have never heard of the issue you had, you prolly killed something living in those pots which is where the red came from, and then since it's dead it smelled lol :stoned: jk jk

But I know what you mean with living with a nasty smell, they re-surfaced our street with asphalt one summer and man... everything in our house stunk for months like that crap.

"Malice" is about 13 mo old, and shes the sweetest, non-agressive dog I have ever had. They get horrible rep all the time! and it's all about how you raise them. We named her Malice because shes opposite that it's kind of funny when ppl hear her namend react. what? malice? eww.... What pisses me off the most is when I'm out walking her and ppl come up to pet her-no big deal. But when they ALWAYS say "make sure you keep her tied up and on leash, we don't want her attacking our dogs and kids" it throws me over the edge ya know? it's like get educated. The only thing she does to kids is deposit large quantities of saliva all over their hands from licking.
here's a pic of her waiting for me to give her a peanut, which will later be found in the yard lol :smokin:

[Weedhound]

With rotties.....I call it .....hard-headed.....

Met a super one once by the name of Chris.....police dog (notice they don't use them much as police dogs anymore.....stubborn.....) his partner used to put silly hats on this HUGE rottie and kids would mess with that dog something awful.....never a blink.

But I must say......I would NOT want to meet that dog while it was working!!

[Weedhound]

Twenty is right.....no matter what the dog......it IS all about how you raise them.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Heck yes np, this post should be 5 pages long by now with mess-ups. But I have never heard of the issue you had, you prolly killed something living in those pots which is where the red came from, and then since it's dead it smelled lol :stoned: jk jk

There's no telling what may have been living, or dying, in those pots! I threw in all sorts of stuff that was fortified with living organisms, so you're probably right... they must have had some sort of civil war/gang turf war, and the runoff really WAS blood. Viva la organic revolucion! :D

Hopefully, if this thread gets bumped enough, people will start warming up and sharing their war/horror stories.


"Malice" is about 13 mo old, and shes the sweetest, non-agressive dog I have ever had. They get horrible rep all the time! and it's all about how you raise them. We named her Malice because shes opposite that it's kind of funny when ppl hear her namend react. what? malice? eww.... What pisses me off the most is when I'm out walking her and ppl come up to pet her-no big deal. But when they ALWAYS say "make sure you keep her tied up and on leash, we don't want her attacking our dogs and kids" it throws me over the edge ya know?

Aww, she's adorable! I'm so getting a rotty when I find a good breeder. I'm actually allergic to dogs, but I can tolerate short-haired pups a lot better than I can labs, retrievers, and other shaggier breeds. And I know exactly what you mean, I used to dog-sit a pitbull that belonged to one of my in-laws. We'd go to the park all the time, and other folks walking dogs would deliberately stay out of our path. Rose loved people AND other dogs, and never got hyper around either. Still, people assumed from watching the news that she was just waiting to tear some poor dog or bystander into pieces... all based on her looks, and their misconceptions. She was a very healthy and extremely strong girl, and could actually drag me around when she got feeling spunky. I'm 6'2", and weighed about 250lbs when I took care of her. That meant nothing, she was a damn mule!

[Weedhound]

Mr C I have to share my feelings on this .....from my personal experience it's NOT really based on misconceptions etc....it's based on the type of people who generally own such dogs and the lack of care or training they receive. I've met quite a few nasty rotts AND pitbulls. My favorite saying is.....EVERY dog is a nice dog......as long as they are getting their way. That's not really what makes a dog nice imo......it's how he handles strange situations, stress, pain, etc....Then if he really is a nice dog you won't have any trouble knowing it. ;)

Quick story: We treated a rottie shot through the chest by a police officer when the dog approached his child (dog was unattended) in a park. You may say that's overreaction but I don't......when are you SUPPOSED to decide the dog isn't friendly? AFTER it's bitten you or your five year old child?

PS....super nice dog.....did fine.....but it's the owner's responsibility imo to keep people safe ......not the public at large.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Quick story: We treated a rottie shot through the chest by a police officer when the dog approached his child (dog was unattended) in a park. You may say that's overreaction but I don't......when are you SUPPOSED to decide the dog isn't friendly? AFTER it's bitten you or your five year old child?

I don't think it was an overreaction, I probably would have done the same thing if I were in his shoes. Not that I go walking around parks with a loaded pistol, but you get what I mean. :)

I think it's reflects poorly on the owner if any dogs are allowed to roam around freely, and with no owner in sight. Especially if they're big dogs. Some people get really nervous around dogs, period. And I really think dogs can sense this, which can make them hyper. I also know there are some bad dogs out there. When I was growing up, I didn't always hang out with the nicest crowd of people, and I've seen these dogs having been raised for one thing... to attack, and attack viciously, on command. It's sad when these pets eventually have to be euthanized because they can't be tamed, or happened to do what they were raised to do... injure someone, or someone else's pet.

Glad to hear the rottie you cared for pulled through, I hope he/she found a nice home with responsible owners. Kudos to you for caring for such a misfortunate animal! :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

It does go right back to the owners, doesn't it Mr C? :thumbsup: :)

[Weedhound]

Didn't hang with the nicest crowd eh.....hmmmmm you're kind of a sly one Mr C. :D

[Mr. Clandestine]

It does go right back to the owners, doesn't it Mr C? :thumbsup: :)

Indeed it does.


Didn't hang with the nicest crowd eh.....hmmmmm you're kind of a sly one Mr C. :D

LOL, we all mistakes. I was a pretty typical teenager, thought I had the whole world beneath my feet, refused to believe that my crap could stink, etc. After a small stint in a county jail over some sheer ignorance, I quickly began to realize that change can be a good thing. Glad I did, too! ;)

[Twentyinches]

ahh a gun to the park, I knew I was forgetting something every time! I was actually attacked when I was 12 by lab...yea a LAB who would have known? I didn't know he didn't like hugs I was 12. Well he latched on to my head/face for 10 mins and wouldn't let go. I was bleeding so bad it was leaking down his mouth and all the way back to his mid section.
Well luckly my dad had a rifle with him (deer hunter) he had to shoot the dog off of me. I almost lost all vision in my left eye (almost my eye itself) and I had like 150 stitches on my head. Which you couldn't see anymore but thanks to genetics and receding hair lines that went to shit LOL.

soo yea... sorry C I think this turned into the biggest dogs owners mistakes ;)

[Weedhound]

Damn 29....that's NASTY! Thank god your dad had something with him. Seriously you could have been killed.

And you still love and have dogs....that part's great!!

[Mr. Clandestine]

Damn Twenty, that IS vicious. I hate hearing stories like this, especially when it happens to a kid. But I definitely agree with Weedhound, it's great that you grew up still having an affinity for dog ownership. I was never attacked as a kid, but I still found myself terrified of dogs when I was real young. After my neighbor got two dogs, I slowly learned to love them. My little boy is terrified of dogs now, even tiny ones. Must be genetic. Anyway, I think that having him grow up around one, he'll eventually learn to respect and love them.

[Twentyinches]

yeah i ended up pretty lucky, too bad C you don't live close because I know a really good breeder. akc cert etc... the dad is a monster, I about shit when I saw him, 150+lb of muscle. I almost went back and got another as she had 3 females but glad I didn't lol, one is enough. Shes good protection.

and I know WH, I was saved. then on the way to the ER we almost hit a deer. it was a bad deal.

[Rusty Trichome]

A lesson in patience...
A few years ago, I was a member of another cannabis site where selling and trading of seeds wasn't frowned upon. I mentioned being without quality genetics, and was using cannabis for my wife's cancer, and my hep-c.
Besides the seeds Reeferman (a well-known breeder) gifted me, (R&D medical strain #1) a very generous member gifted me some realy cool strains. White Widdow, Inca Spirit, and I think Shishka Skunk. After having planted the WW and the Inca Spirit, wife and I had decided to move. Vegas is too expensive.

Anyway, when the realtor started to bring folks over, I had to accelerate the grow, and move the grow into the garage, trying to salvage what I could of the already planted genetics. After 2 weeks waiting for germination, I finally gave up on the WW and Inca Spirit, as nothing was breaking ground.
So I tossed them into the trash.

About a week later, as I was already in the motion of tossing the kitchen trash into the larger trash bin, (where I had tossed the failures) I spotted 5 or 6 plants growing out of the trash. My heart jumped at the thought of re-claiming the plants. Then the trash I was throwing away, landed on top of it.

I sorted thru the trash for about half an hour, trying to save the survivors, of which I was only able salvage one. A lone Inca Spirit. It still had the bamboo marker stake sticking out of it's soil ball. (bamboo stake marked with color-coded twist-tie) Was forced to pollinate a mature Potent Purple with the pollen from, what turned out to be a male Inca Spirit.

I still grow the hybrid today, and since I already have the PP in it's original form, am trying to 'peel' away the Inca Spirit genetics, from the Potent Purple. (selective breeding)

[Twentyinches]

Ouch Rusty that's a bad deal. And of course it couldn't have been bagseed but something good like those. Kind of reminds me when I've accidentally thrown something away then remembered-but when I go to find it it's all covered in trash ooze, it's never right on top.

[Surfnbird]

used paper bags to transport my plants to my grow site on the way there the bag got wet and the bottom fell out and killed like 4 plants just chopped of the heads of the poor things.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Nice story, Rusty! Glad to hear you were able to salvage at least one of the babies... but losing good genetics still sucks, especially for a couple that really needs them. In my novel of a mistake up top, I couldn't save a single plant. I can't remember the exact strain I was growing, but it was some kind of Skunk & I ended up losing all the seeds that I had just payed handsomely for. I wish now I would have at least taken some clones, but even then with the amount of Nitrogen those plants were being poisoned by, they probably never would have rooted. Plus, I didn't know anything about cloning at the time. All I got for my efforts was just a big, smelly mess.

And just visiting Vegas is too expensive for me, I couldn't imagine living there! :) I don't visit major metropolitan areas now unless I absolutely have to. I went to college for four years in Athens, GA., and worked in Atlanta at the time. (About a 2.5 hour drive-time between the two.) Then, after college, I spent a couple of years dividing time working between Pinellas County, FL (next to Tampa) and Miami. I've come to DESPISE cities and their gridlock, vagrants, flaring tempers, bad drivers, etc. For the first time in my life, I'm living out in the sticks. Been here for a few years now, and I'm loving it! Only traffic I ever have to deal with is a random fleet of logging trucks.

Thanks to everyone who's chimed in so far with their stories! :thumbsup:

[norkali]

....I watered and foliar fed last night before the lights went off.

For this grow, I have set the circulation fan to turn off with the lights, so there is no circulation at night.

High humidity, no air circulation, 12 hours = powdery mildew on your plants.

:(

DUH!

I am feverishly looking for any signs of more of it, none so far. The spores had just started on 2-3 leaves. Leaves=Removed, Heater=On, Window=Open, Humidifier=definitely off, fans=On. That fan will stay on 24/7 now.

Let's hope I nipped it in the bud.

[Weedhound]

....I watered and foliar fed last night before the lights went off.

For this grow, I have set the circulation fan to turn off with the lights, so there is no circulation at night.

High humidity, no air circulation, 12 hours = powdery mildew on your plants.

:(

DUH!

I am feverishly looking for any signs of more of it, none so far. The spores had just started on 2-3 leaves. Leaves=Removed, Heater=On, Window=Open, Humidifier=definitely off, fans=On. That fan will stay on 24/7 now.

Let's hope I nipped it in the bud.

Oops.....how about an anti-fungal spray like Serenade?

[norkali]

Oops.....how about an anti-fungal spray like Serenade?

Off to work today....no time. ;) They will have to wait until at least Monday to get any anti-fungal spray.

I actually think I may have gotten away with it this time.....*fingers crossed* The question is whether or not if powdery mildew, once spread by fans, has the ability to continue living if not in ideal conditions. Like an incubation period for powdery mildew. Looks like 5-6 days.

Before - and after. And PM info.

[Weedhound]

good info! Thanks. :)

[Mr. Clandestine]

Norkali - Thanks for sharing, and for showing us what you did to (hopefully) resolve the problem. I've only had to deal with mildew a couple of times, when I was keeping plants in my super humid crawlspace. I never did get around to using an anti-fungal spray on them, I just wiped as much of the mildew off the leaves as I could, applied some neem oil, and added several more fans to the room, and a dehumidifier. I wasn't using a hygrometer at the time, but I could tell that the space was far less humid. That was my last encounter with mildew. Now I keep my plants in a much more stable area, and I actually have to use a humidifier every once in a while to keep the RH from falling too low.

Thanks again for the post! :thumbsup:

[norkali]

Eff you Powdery Mildew! Eat 0.074% QST 713 Strain of Bacillus subtilis!

Haha! :rambo:

Edit: Goddamn! This stuff stinks! BTW, the Powdery Mildew problem did not go away with the changing environment, it merely slowed it down. I would suggest having an anti fungal on-hand at all times, just in case.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Eff you Powdery Mildew! Eat 0.074% QST 713 Strain of Bacillus subtilis!

LOL! Just out of curiosity, did you pick that up from a Home Depot/Lowe's-type store, or did you have to get it from a garden retailer?

[norkali]

Tried Home Depot, OSH, no luck. Went to the good ol' hydro store. :thumbsup:

[Mr. Clandestine]

Tried Home Depot, OSH, no luck. Went to the good ol' hydro store. :thumbsup:

Gotcha, I didn't think I had ever seen that on the shelves of the big outlets... and I've heard growers from this forum talk about Serenade on numerous occasions. I'll have to pick some up next time I've got some money to burn at the hydro shop. Thanks for the update!

[texas grass]

so far my biggest things is waisting money on inefficency

i wouldnt use cfls. i would use floro tubes. they run cooler. give way better light spread. more lumens per watt. bulbs usually last longer. and their cheaper to set up


on fans dont get the pc style fans. exhausting hid lighting needs to have a quality inline fan(vortex, canfan, fantech, ect). exhausting cfls or floro tubes a booster fan will do the trick. pc fans are ineficient, loud, and cant push/pull air under a load that good.



dont mess with chemical ferts. cost more. need more. unhealthy for the soil and the plant itself

[grey1223]

The dumbest thing I did when starting out was trying to understand what a cutting was. Hell, I was placing a single fan leaf in a glass of water and coudn't understand what was wrong. There was a leaf and a stem, what else would one need? Once I knew what to use as a cutting (needs nodes) that was the end of that problem.

Nice dog. My only problem with Rotti's is when they get a drink it seems 50% winds up on the floor for about 15 feet. I guess dogs are a little off target here but I have to share this story. I grew up with dogs and always had one as a pet. Well, years ago while I was taking my Dobi to class for training and while there I noticed some dogs traing in those sets where they go through a kind of obstacle course. Anyway, I noticed some extrordinary feats by a couple of standard poodles. I thought to myself they must be smart suckers plus they are a large dog(which I always preferred). So about 10 years ago when it was time to get a new dog I bought a Standard Poodle. He turned out to be a great pet, but then the wife starting looking at the poodle rescue site. I tried to warn her that 2 dogs are 4 times the work of one dog but I lost and she rescued another poodle. Well this sucker is huge. It's a Royal Standard. My standard poodle weighs 65lbs and this rascal is weighs 105lbs. Hell, I didn't even know there was such a thing as a Royal Standard. When this guy barks children and pets run and hide and the squirls leave the neighborhood.

[Weedhound]

I LOVE standard poodles. Not crazy about any of the small ones.....smart they may be...but I absolutely ADORE the Standards. They rule!!

[Mr. Clandestine]

Hell, I was placing a single fan leaf in a glass of water and couldn't understand what was wrong.

LMAO! That's good stuff!


I guess dogs are a little off target here but I have to share this story.

I think as long as the OP's cool with it, off-topic discussions are allowed. I'm the OP for this thread, and I was the first to go off-topic on the subject of dogs... so no worries here. :thumbsup:

Thanks for sharing Texas & Grey. And Tex, I agree with you... CFLs do tend to heat things up a bit. Even the little 23w bulbs seem to get pretty warm after 18 hours of use. Set up 10 or more of those in a powerstrip setup inside a small room, and you can guarantee the temperatures are going to skyrocket.

[jackforest]

hmmm...biggest mistake?

underwatering. haha. first grow gone to shit after a months work. What a dissapointment.

Standard poodles are the best dogs in the world. Our family dog of 11 years Geena was a standard poodle and passed away in october. : ( Couldn't have asked for a better dog.

Anyways, now we have a standard poodle puppy at 6 months age. They grow fast. Too smart for their own good. FULL OF ENERGY!

[Mr. Clandestine]

underwatering. haha. first grow gone to shit after a months work. What a dissapointment.

That and overwatering seem to be a bane for most new growers! I think everybody does both at least once in their growing careers. I think a lot of people underwater because they don't want to water soon before the lights go off, even if the medium is bone dry. I say, if it's a choice between watering before lights-out, or taking your chances and waiting until the morning, a LIGHT watering before lights-out would be the better option. Thanks for sharing! :jointsmile:

[jackforest]

That and overwatering seem to be a bane for most new growers!

Well, as a new grower I was so concerned about overwatering, I guess I was too cautious. I'm back on my feet now. So all is good in the world :thumbsup:

[Twentyinches]

With watering it seems like there's a fine line between- I need to water today, and, shit.... I should have watered yesterday.

no way would I have more then one dog. I think this even covers any desire to have kids lol

[Mr. Clandestine]

With watering it seems like there's a fine line between- I need to water today, and, shit.... I should have watered yesterday.

lol, exactly! :D I always want to kick myself in the ass when this happens, and I'm left staring at a sad, droopy plant the next morning. I guess in this respect, hydro growers have got it made.

[Rusty Trichome]

With watering it seems like there's a fine line between- I need to water today, and, shit.... I should have watered yesterday.


Sounds familiar, wise words indeed, lol:

It can be a fine balance between "ok...I need to water later today" and "shit...I should have watered yesterday."

[Mr. Clandestine]

lol, great minds think alike, apparently. I KNEW I had heard that somewhere before, I just couldn't put my finger on its origin. It makes just as much sense now as it did when I read it the first time. That's definitely going in my siggy!

[grey1223]

The worst mistake I made was in the taking of cuttings. My first time I cut some leaves with a stem attached and couldn't wunderstand why they didn't root. Now let me tell you this: I researched, read, participated in forums here and at OG for two years before starting my grow. I just 'knew' this was going to be easy. Unfortunately I had NO practical experience with growing of any kind( except my lawn). So I start out with some Afghani seeds and got started. Seeds germed fine and plants vegged for 4 weeks and looked perfect so I said to myself "damn I'm going to be good" at this.

Went in 12/12 and again all is good. Within 2 to 3 weeks they started to look like shit and it took me a year to solve various problems related to lockout, salt buildup, nutrient def.'s and ph problems. For me I've never experienced a problem before flowering. Just goes to show vegging is the easy part. Once into 12/12 the plant shifts into overdrive and it's needs become paramount in the first 2 weeks of flower.

Anyway, the clone issue I had was simply no understanding of what a cutting should be(duh, you need nodes dummy). Growing is no different than any other endevour. You can have all the knowledge but without experience you can't do shit. Another example is when you graduate from college. You could major in accounting and not be able to do shit until you get some experience. HANDS ON experience isthe answer and why many long time growers state "It took me about 5 years to get a handle on all the facets of growing".

[Mr. Clandestine]

HANDS ON experience isthe answer and why many long time growers state "It took me about 5 years to get a handle on all the facets of growing".

That's exactly it. Before I started growing, I did plenty of research into the different stages of growth, nutrients, lighting, and all that jazz. Of course, I only started with the bare essentials, and wrote most of what I read off as 'niceties' - nice to have, but not essential. I had to make numerous mistakes before I finally realized that many of those things they say in grow books aren't just novelty items... they're ESSENTIAL if you want to harvest a good crop. A lot of people hear growers say that it's cheaper to grow your own medicine than to buy it off the streets, but they don't realize that it's only cheaper AFTER you've made the initial investment to get started. Even then, with all the new gadgets/fertilizers/lights on the market, it can still get pricey trying to keep up with new trends. Hell, just buying soil and fertilizers every couple of grows can take its toll on a checkbook in no time flat. I don't sell anything I grow, so I just have to bite the bullet and spend the money necessary to keep things growing. On the other hand, I haven't had to buy a bag in several years... which has saved me a TON of money in the long run.

Moral # 524.3 - If you plan on growing with just the bare essentials, don't be disappointed when your results are mediocre, at best.

Thanks Grey! :jointsmile:

[norkali]

Hell, just buying soil and fertilizers every couple of grows can take its toll on a checkbook in no time flat.

Moral # 524.3 - If you plan on growing with just the bare essentials, don't be disappointed when your results are mediocre, at best.

Oh yeah....

[grey1223]

Nice story, Rusty! Glad to hear you were able to salvage at least one of the babies... but losing good genetics still sucks, especially for a couple that really needs them. In my novel of a mistake up top, I couldn't save a single plant. I can't remember the exact strain I was growing, but it was some kind of Skunk & I ended up losing all the seeds that I had just payed handsomely for. I wish now I would have at least taken some clones, but even then with the amount of Nitrogen those plants were being poisoned by, they probably never would have rooted. Plus, I didn't know anything about cloning at the time. All I got for my efforts was just a big, smelly mess.

And just visiting Vegas is too expensive for me, I couldn't imagine living there! :) I don't visit major metropolitan areas now unless I absolutely have to. I went to college for four years in Athens, GA., and worked in Atlanta at the time. (About a 2.5 hour drive-time between the two.) Then, after college, I spent a couple of years dividing time working between Pinellas County, FL (next to Tampa) and Miami. I've come to DESPISE cities and their gridlock, vagrants, flaring tempers, bad drivers, etc. For the first time in my life, I'm living out in the sticks. Been here for a few years now, and I'm loving it! Only traffic I ever have to deal with is a random fleet of logging trucks.

Thanks to everyone who's chimed in so far with their stories! :thumbsup:

Damn, I'm a St. Pete native and I know what you mean.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Damn, I'm a St. Pete native and I know what you mean.

I got to visit St. Pete Beach several times while I was staying in Pinellas, it's really beautiful over there. One weekend, the company I was working for put us up at the Don Cesar Resort right on the beach. Man, it was nice. My wife and I would love to move to Florida eventually, but I think I'd like to be closer to the Atlantic side rather than the Gulf. I've been taking semi-annual vacations to Daytona since I was a kid and living with my parents. Even now, I try to make it to Bike Week every year that I'm able to.

But yeah, traffic in Tampa could get pretty rough at times. Miami was the pinnacle of commuting despair for me, though. I eventually got to where I would take a taxi EVERYWHERE I needed to go.

[Twentyinches]

Sounds familiar, wise words indeed, lol:

I knew I had too! I didn't mean to pass it off as my saying, it was one of those things I knew I had seen, but never could rememeber where it came from! thanks Rusty of course all credit goes to you, because that is a wonderful saying and it seems to apply wayyy to often haha :jointsmile:

[Help_Needed]

A lot of people hear growers say that it's cheaper to grow your own medicine than to buy it off the streets, but they don't realize that it's only cheaper AFTER you've made the initial investment to get started.

So true. I was adding things up at the start of my last grow and realized that I had over a thousand dollars invested in my equipment, and I hadn't had a very successful grow up to that point. I was actually pretty upset that I'd managed to spend that much cash on what was supposed to be a way to get cheap weed.

And then I pulled 4oz off one plant :stoned:. And my current grow is being done for the price of a bottle of nutrients and some electricity :D.



As for my biggest mistake - I installed a 400 watt HPS in a 4x4 Hyrdrohut without adding any ventilation. My ambient temps the next morning were 104F :microwave:

[Mr. Clandestine]

As for my biggest mistake - I installed a 400 watt HPS in a 4x4 Hyrdrohut without adding any ventilation. My ambient temps the next morning were 104F :microwave:

Haha! Nice use of smileys to illustrate your point... I'll bet things did get warm in there! When I set up my first 400w HPS, I just threw it inside a 3x3 closet, door closed, with only one oscillating fan inside. I didn't add any plants to the closet, I just wanted to see what it would do in terms of heat. I came back in several hours later, and I could feel the hot air blowing from the crack beneath the door. Had I put any plants in there, they'd have been cooked almost instantly.

Nice job pulling a qp off one plant, that's a definite step in the right direction! Yeah, setting up a growroom right can be a chore (and very expensive depending on what equipment you go with), but after those first initial payments, things get a LOT cheaper. Even cheaper for me because I try to buy all my fertilizers in bulk, and so only have to make purchases once or twice per year. Still, even though I'm pretty happy with my current setup, I'm still prone to blowing money every time I go to the hydro shop... regardless of whether or not I need the stuff. :jointsmile:

Thanks for dropping by and lending your thoughts!