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daihashi
03-12-2008, 01:03 AM
Just as the subject says I was curious how you meet fellow growers. I would like to meet some people locally to discuss growing and maybe exchange genetics, learn from each other, conduct expierements etc etc.

However I have no idea how you would go about doing that. I know the general code of a grower is TELL NO ONE... so how does one come across another grower and how does one bring something like that up without accidentally giving themselves away incase they aren't the type of person you think they are?

I'm not sure if that made any sense; which sucks because I'm not even stoned. lol

Any and all input would be appreciated.

daihashi
03-12-2008, 01:41 PM
I'm sure someone in here has met a fellow grower somehow.. someway.

silkyblue
03-12-2008, 02:00 PM
thats ez my whole family grows tomatoes or has their own dealrs

we are never out thank god

+ +

stinkyattic
03-12-2008, 05:10 PM
I met a couple fellow growers through an old buddy/connect who took their excess... after a while- I guess he was waiting to find out how serious I was- he suggested arranging an introduction. I was delighted to finally have someone local to 'talk shop' with!
But why limit yourself to pot growers? Veggie growers are fun too, and garden/greenhouse tours are always a good time!

luvfriday
03-12-2008, 05:25 PM
I met some growers right here on Cannabis.com, we always meet at a nuetral spot and they have been such a huge help.

Its hard to keep it totally formal, and I admit I have brought 1 person to my home. I dont worry about them at all, under prop 215 I have my butt covered.........if it ever came down to it.

stinkyattic
03-12-2008, 05:33 PM
Okay well if we are spillin' da beans about our canncom dalliances... lol! I met, dated, fell in love, and nearly moved back to Alaska with a fellow grower I met here before the rules tightened up significantly about the exchange of addys and such. Ahh, good times... our first meeting was actually to attend a wonderful horticultural exhibit put on by Smith College, which I guess I'm going to by myself this year :( Unless katy wants to come be a total dork and look at tulips with me? :D

Just remember, we can't post emails in our threads or siggys, and never discuss/request any sort of seed exchange/sales on this site, as this IS a US-based site, and we as a business entity respect the laws against seed sales in this country, even if some of us as members find those laws to be rather silly or outdated. Thanks for understanding that!

daihashi
03-12-2008, 05:36 PM
But why limit yourself to pot growers? Veggie growers are fun too, and garden/greenhouse tours are always a good time!

Oh, I've started a veggie garden recently with some herbs. I built a 4x2x2 cabinet that i'm probably going to install a shelf in to make it a 18" section and a 42" section. One for herbs and one for my dwarf fruiting plants.

So far I have

3 Tiny tim Tomato plants
3 Dwarf Okra
2 Banana Pepper plants
4 Sweet Basil (no idea why I planted so many)
2 Cilantro
1 Rosemary (it's all that would germinate. I've read everywhere that Rosemary is a pain to germinate. Takes on average 1 out of 20 seeds to germ. It took me 30 seeds).
1 Catnip plant (for my cat. Figured if I was getting some bud she should have some kitty bud too.)

While I enjoy my herb and veggie garden I find I don't really get as excited over it like I do with my 'other' grow.

Plus I can't talk about specific cannabis related questions with regular gardners; nor could we exchange genetics or cannabis specific ideas. Well we could but I don't think that would be my wisest decision legally. Trading a white widow clone for a tomato seedling. lol

It's just oddly enough most of my friends don't smoke and none of them grow. Everyone buys mexi brick variety around here so no one that I know has a connection with a grower.

Makes me sad. I really enjoy growing cannabis and have no one locally to share my enthusiasm with.

stinkyattic
03-12-2008, 05:42 PM
You planted 4 basils because you deep down secretly plan to make OOODLES of pot-pesto to brighten up future long winters... :D
Cilantro may be difficult indoors; it seems to like quite bright light and fairly low humidity. High heat makes it bolt and go to seed, but coriander seed is wonderful in Indian and Middle Eastern food so no great loss.
Rosemary indoors is prone to powdery mildew; keep your humidity low and treat with SMC leaf wash regularly to prevent it... SMC= coriander oil, score! To propagate rosemary, most growers just take cuttings, EXACTLY as for pot, and somewhere in one of my posts there;s a shot of a clone dome that has a few pepper, lavender, and rosemary plants in with the cannabis lol!
Hell, I've traded pepper cuttings for pot cuttings before... pepper growers can be FREAKISH about their stock! lol

daihashi
03-12-2008, 05:47 PM
Unless katy wants to come be a total dork and look at tulips with me? :D

Just remember, we can't post emails in our threads or siggys, and never discuss/request any sort of seed exchange/sales on this site, as this IS a US-based site, and we as a business entity respect the laws against seed sales in this country, even if some of us as members find those laws to be rather silly or outdated. Thanks for understanding that!

That's funny, I just planted about a dozen or so tulip bulbs yesterday. Going to leave them outside while it still stays cool around here and bring them in when temperatures start to warm up.

We don't have much of a winter down here.. it's like 3/5ths summer year round.

stinkyattic
03-12-2008, 05:48 PM
Highly recommended: Plant 'Queen of Night' maroon/black tulips alongside any of the peach-colored varieties that flower simultaneously... people will literally stop in front of your house and take pics.

daihashi
03-12-2008, 05:59 PM
Highly recommended: Plant 'Queen of Night' maroon/black tulips alongside any of the peach-colored varieties that flower simultaneously... people will literally stop in front of your house and take pics.

You don't happen to know much about spath's do you? Particularly the peace lily?

stinkyattic
03-12-2008, 06:04 PM
Sorry, no- that's a family I have limited experience with, and even then, only with the gladioli and some daylilies (mostly thinning them from the big mess they make in my side-yard lol... want some divisions? ;) ).

daihashi
03-12-2008, 06:47 PM
Sorry, no- that's a family I have limited experience with, and even then, only with the gladioli and some daylilies (mostly thinning them from the big mess they make in my side-yard lol... want some divisions? ;) ).

I'll pass for right now. I have too many babies growing at the moment.. lol.

I was just trying to figure out how to revive my spaths' a bit. I neglected them often before I found out I actually enjoy growing stuff and they had pretty much died about 7-8 times total. I'd water them and they'd come back to life.

Naturally they've lost some of their turgidity. I was trying to figure out a way how to fix that. I suppose this would be a good canidate for my potassium expierement.

I've always sucked with this plant. I hear it needs very little care. It is a giant spath and never seems to look as good as other spaths no matter what i do to it and it doesn't seem to grow new foliage and the blooms.. geez forget about it you'd be asking for a miracle.

They're such pretty plants, I just suck with them apparently despite how low maintenance they are.

Mr. Clandestine
03-12-2008, 09:31 PM
You don't happen to know much about spath's do you? Particularly the peace lily?

I've got a very healthy Peace Lily that's just starting to put up some white flowers. Afraid I won't be able to offer much advice on houseplants, though. I just keep that one around because of its ability to purify the air. I keep several parrots all throughout my house, and many wonderful houseplants sadly are very toxic for them.

daihashi
03-12-2008, 10:19 PM
I've got a very healthy Peace Lily that's just starting to put up some white flowers. Afraid I won't be able to offer much advice on houseplants, though. I just keep that one around because of its ability to purify the air. I keep several parrots all throughout my house, and many wonderful houseplants sadly are very toxic for them.

Really there's nothing to them from what I read, but I severely neglected mine and I wanted to see if there was a sure fire way to restore their previous vigor.

bleh.. not to many forums on house plants or spaths for that matter.

daihashi
03-12-2008, 10:31 PM
back on topic... how has everyone else met some fellow growers that they previously didn't have?

Mr. Clandestine
03-12-2008, 10:33 PM
Really there's nothing to them from what I read, but I severely neglected mine and I wanted to see if there was a sure fire way to restore their previous vigor.

Repotting mine from the smaller container that it was in to a larger pot really increased its vigor. It was badly rootbound. Besides that, it has been a very easy plant to care for. Maybe you could split the root mass in two, and treat each plant individually. Mine went through hell when I first got it, mainly because it was my wife's responsibility to water and care for it. That lasted all of an entire month, then it became my responsibility to save it and ensure its continued survival. But again, after the transplant, it took off again and is about to grace my livingroom with new flowers. They also like just a pinch of nitrogen about once a month, which seems to make new growth explode. Haven't tried giving it anything in the way of phosphorus yet, but I probably will soon.

daihashi
03-12-2008, 10:46 PM
Repotting mine from the smaller container that it was in to a larger pot really increased its vigor. It was badly rootbound. Besides that, it has been a very easy plant to care for. Maybe you could split the root mass in two, and treat each plant individually. Mine went through hell when I first got it, mainly because it was my wife's responsibility to water and care for it. That lasted all of an entire month, then it became my responsibility to save it and ensure its continued survival. But again, after the transplant, it took off again and is about to grace my livingroom with new flowers. They also like just a pinch of nitrogen about once a month, which seems to make new growth explode. Haven't tried giving it anything in the way of phosphorus yet, but I probably will soon.

Hrm, I read they like to be a little rootbound. They're currently in 5 gallon pots. All I have to swap them out with are 7 gallon pots. I'll check them tonight to see how rootbound they are.

:thumbsup:

legalize_it420_4ever
03-13-2008, 02:42 PM
were a paranoid breed lol sometimes u gotta roll the dice though n take that chance to gain somethin wonderful but realize it might blow up in ur face n prepare to deal with the posible colateral damage personally ive never been afraid of takin risks shits guna happen no matter how careful then again a rule i try to hold myself to is anybody u dont kno is police a nutral party that knows both of you is allways a positive but u gotta factor in everybodys hidden mottives ppl who got nothin will loose ur shit for u etc lol n u just never know who likes to talk to police

psteve
03-13-2008, 03:29 PM
I talk to other medical growers every day. :D
I work in a MMJ resource center. Growers come in to learn and share all the time. :thumbsup:
As an activist, I've met some very famous growers like Ed Rosenthal, Bill Drake, Kyle Kushman, Dennis Peron, and many others.
I've met some great growers in Holland too.:)

daihashi
03-14-2008, 10:56 PM
were a paranoid breed lol sometimes u gotta roll the dice though n take that chance to gain somethin wonderful but realize it might blow up in ur face n prepare to deal with the posible colateral damage personally ive never been afraid of takin risks shits guna happen no matter how careful then again a rule i try to hold myself to is anybody u dont kno is police a nutral party that knows both of you is allways a positive but u gotta factor in everybodys hidden mottives ppl who got nothin will loose ur shit for u etc lol n u just never know who likes to talk to police

I'd rather not roll the dice when it comes to possible imprisonment.

I'm not sure I understood this post. Half of it seems like it's saying to take risks/chances and the other half seems like it's saying to be wary/think of everyone as a cop.

Right now I view everyone as a cop except 2 of my friends who I've known for the past 15 years or longer. They have keys to my place and are do not smoke (they take care of my pets sometimes when I'm away).

I just really want to know how to run into other growers :(. Or how to pick up that someone is growing when I'm out with the few smoking friends I do have and there's cannabis related talk going around.

:( I want a local grower friend.

Surfnbird
03-15-2008, 12:27 AM
i got grower in my class so me and him just talk instead of listening to the professer

legalize_it420_4ever
03-15-2008, 09:11 PM
I'd rather not roll the dice when it comes to possible imprisonment.

I'm not sure I understood this post. Half of it seems like it's saying to take risks/chances and the other half seems like it's saying to be wary/think of everyone as a cop.

Right now I view everyone as a cop except 2 of my friends who I've known for the past 15 years or longer. They have keys to my place and are do not smoke (they take care of my pets sometimes when I'm away).

I just really want to know how to run into other growers :(. Or how to pick up that someone is growing when I'm out with the few smoking friends I do have and there's cannabis related talk going around.

:( I want a local grower friend.

well you simply cant do it without taking some form of risk dude. so u either gotta throw the dice and win or loose or not take the chance and stay safer im sayin that you are taking chances by doing this so be aware and be carefull you cant just blindly jump off a cliff and hope it turns out ok see what im saying now? lol probably not ive never been that good at explaining myself lol

daihashi
03-15-2008, 09:50 PM
well you simply cant do it without taking some form of risk dude. so u either gotta throw the dice and win or loose or not take the chance and stay safer im sayin that you are taking chances by doing this so be aware and be carefull you cant just blindly jump off a cliff and hope it turns out ok see what im saying now? lol probably not ive never been that good at explaining myself lol

no, no.. I completely understand what you're saying now. Thanks for the clarification. :thumbsup:

I opened up to an old co-worker (I left on great terms and they didn't have a real drug policy.) Turns out he knows someone else who grows that I also happen to know. He's going to drop my name. Hopefully I get a new buddy!!!

:thumbsup:

Shovelhandle
05-14-2008, 03:11 PM
I have two friends that are outdoor guerilla/commercial growers. They have been at it for years (just as I've been a personal grower for years). I know them from regular social contact, we all party, go to bars, ride motorcycles. Probably a little less now than in the day. I've not talked much about these things as I always see them with groups of people. People, me included don't like to talk any detail about our grows. I don't really want to know anyone's grows. I do have a family member who has harvested a few plants and is now getting into some indoor activity starting seeds for outdoor grows. I'm happy to suggest to him things I may know.

Bottom line, if you want to meet people in your area to talk about medical MJ or whatever, check out your states forum here at cannabis.com. But really, it's rare at least in my rural area to meet and discuss growing weed.

I'm stoned and rambling..Afg/bog med purp ;) to the Mod

Sho

the image reaper
05-14-2008, 05:40 PM
here in northern California, virtually every garden store/nursery I've patronized seems to be staffed by fellow growers ... after mentioning I have a Med. MJ recommendation, and I grow my own, they almost immediately reply, 'me, too'. and the growing discussion begins :D ... loosen up, "paranoia will destroy ya" ... admittedly, I would not be so cavalier about it, IF I had a BIG garden in progress, but, I follow the rules, and keep my plant-count well within legal limits, and only for personal use ... had a very nice compliment from County Sheriff's deputy, checking my count, when he said I had most potent-looking plants he'd ever seen and smelled .... awwwww :jointsmile:

killa12345
05-14-2008, 09:51 PM
My advice on finding local growers:

Its not a good thing to tell anyone your growing....i know...... my best friend....my girlfriend.....my cousin......NO ONE.....i live in a city that has a lot of growers......through the last 17 yrs.....ive tried to grow 5 times with no success.....even though i have tons of friends with consistant perpetual grows.....the reason i tell no one....so no one jacks my sh*t....for real....

ive heard of people going as far as putting a GPS device on another growers car....to find out where his operations are at......In the past...ive as for clones.....but tell them there for a friend.....one time i tried a large commercial grow....to only get ratted out to the police by my girlfriend of 3 years...because she thought i had the house to cheat on her with......when i told her the truth.....she call the police...lucky i left at 3 in the morning to rip it down..by the time the cop raid the place 2 days later....nothing but an empty apt...probably would of gone to jail anyway the way i set this room up...

This is just a word of advice....take it like a grain of salt if you want....but i know the greed of people.

killa12345

PS....... thats why im on the internet looking for advice...to try to get my first successful grow...later

GreenDestiny
05-15-2008, 12:20 AM
No worries, wasn't trying to start any arguments. I'm just a bit too observant of things for my own good, and it makes me question the hell out of everything.

Anyways, as for trying to meet other growers... I dont know of any in my area, but when I lived on Oahu some people seemed more relaxed to talk about it. When I did my growing, several people knew about it, one of which was growing too. We'd help each other out and talk about growing all the time... he'd tell me about others he knew that grew, a friend's dad was a cop that was growing too lol. I'd hear about stories of cops finding people's grows, taking the plants, and running off with them.

If I grow again where I live now, it's gonna be difficult to keep my mouth shut, I already know of one friend that will find out about it... and she's tried growing some too, she even offered to let me help set up some stuff in her place so she could grow better.

Might be best to just say I've got a connection in Hawaii that I get the bud from. It's just too much work to risk it all. I'm not ready to fight to the death yet...

elskeetro
05-28-2008, 06:40 PM
Well, i know 3 friends who are currently growing, and several who have grown in the past but are currently on hiatus. All but one person was met through a dealer/friend of mine. The other was a long time acquaintance who kinda grows half-heartedly...he gave me some white rhino clones, so i thank him for that, but his advice is rarely sought out.

One of the current growers is my "mentor" and a fellow member of this fine community. He actually got me up and running by sharing some of his AMAZING genetics with me (man that sounds really gay) and i wouldn't be blazing the best i've ever had without him. He also got another one of my friends up and running, he is a saint.

They are all great dudes and we all get together semi regularly and as much as i love this community, nothing compares to discussions in person, in front of the plants, getting lit and knowing that life is really good.

So yeah, friends of friends...looking to help each other out. I've made so many close friends because of cannabis. I wish everyone in the world could see how wonderful this plant is and see it's potential. I can't stand how people who have no experience with it deem it so evil. It's done nothing but good for me in my life. It's actually one of the ways i met my wonderful wife!

ramble ramble ramble.
i love this stuff.
Skeet.

painretreat
06-01-2008, 10:41 AM
Talk about dumb--dah that's me; I met a MMJ grower a few months ago on CL and didn't even realize what I had! He got me onto MMJ. But, he grows outside and until I get good fencing, etc. that will keep the bunnies out, it is indoors 4 me! He is strictly outdoor guy and when he was stoned, that was all he could talk about, but I was too and can't remember crap! If I get another chance, I'll smoke less and listen better! The gro logs, soil mixtures and feeding that are mentioned, takes a lot of time to put into one thing to use, but worth it! There is so much information here, I could spend the rest of my life and never read them all. If mods put in addy's, it would be a problem, people would join to meet u and take your crop. And it sounds like some are really hard to gro! If something can be abused, someone is gonna do it! Despite how well you think you know someone, I am not sure you ever really do! Image Reaper seems to have a healthy approach to it, I'll try that also! Being open and honest has its' rewards!:thumbsup:

daihashi
06-01-2008, 03:42 PM
Talk about dumb--dah that's me; I met a MMJ grower a few months ago on CL and didn't even realize what I had! He got me onto MMJ. But, he grows outside and until I get good fencing, etc. that will keep the bunnies out, it is indoors 4 me! He is strictly outdoor guy and when he was stoned, that was all he could talk about, but I was too and can't remember crap! If I get another chance, I'll smoke less and listen better! The gro logs, soil mixtures and feeding that are mentioned, takes a lot of time to put into one thing to use, but worth it! There is so much information here, I could spend the rest of my life and never read them all. If mods put in addy's, it would be a problem, people would join to meet u and take your crop. And it sounds like some are really hard to gro! If something can be abused, someone is gonna do it! Despite how well you think you know someone, I am not sure you ever really do! Image Reaper seems to have a healthy approach to it, I'll try that also! Being open and honest has its' rewards!:thumbsup:

If you know a grower that's great they'll probably give you great advice and save you from alot of intial problems that yo umight expierence. I really wish I had that when I was first starting out.

However I would always ask what ever questions you have in both places.

ie:

Logon to cannabis.com and ask "How much can I feed?"
Ask your grower freind "How much can I feed?"

Cannabis.com has alot of good information and alot of intelligent people on here.

Many times I've gotten my answer after selectively taking information from some of these said "intelligent" people to come to my own solution.

I really owe these people alot. I feel like I got an education for free... which really I guess that's the way it should be.

texas grass
06-03-2008, 11:41 PM
:D ... loosen up, "paranoia will destroy ya" ...

wise words from the old man:thumbsup:

GreenLeaf420
06-04-2008, 02:22 AM
Wow I guess I'm pretty fortunate. I grew up and live around alot of close friends who still grow nice ones still today. We all grew up together and the information was passed down and we always try to help each other. I must say their are lots of hurt feelings once in a while we wont talk with one anther for 8 months+ from some bullshit clone thing. I must say though it is really fun to be able to have the competitions growing all the time w/ "FRIENDS"

NOT THEIFS

:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:GL420

daihashi
06-04-2008, 01:07 PM
Wow I guess I'm pretty fortunate. I grew up and live around alot of close friends who still grow nice ones still today. We all grew up together and the information was passed down and we always try to help each other. I must say their are lots of hurt feelings once in a while we wont talk with one anther for 8 months+ from some bullshit clone thing. I must say though it is really fun to be able to have the competitions growing all the time w/ "FRIENDS"

NOT THEIFS

:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:GL420

lucky!

I'd like a really tight group of growing friends like that. :thumbsup:

stinkyattic
06-04-2008, 02:23 PM
I met over a hundred growers this past weekend. Growers are a cool, cool crowd. A lot more were invited but opted out for security reasons, and I think that was a smart move but in this case luckily the fear was unwarranted. Of course, in this line of work NO initial fear is unwarranted and we never find out that a situation WAS indeed safe until the situation has passed.
I guess the way to safely meet growers is to find that fine line between foolsihly exposing yourself and sitting in a dark house looking out the window for narcs. Use your spidey sense. If it says DANGER trust it. If it says COOL be skeptical. lol.
Some of us have been here in communication long enough that we have come to trust each other, and I have met a few members here who were wonderful people, and one who creeped me the FUCK out.
The only way to protect yourself 100% is to go daily to your boring 9-5 and on weekends barbeque with the in-laws and mow the lawn and not do anything illegal. But once you cross that line, it's important to create barriers where information cannot pass.
If you are going to expose yourself, BUY A TRACFONE. DO NOT SET UP THE VOICEMAIL. DO NOT HAVE A NAME ATTACHED TO IT AT ALL. Use an anonymous email with an IP mask of some type. Never carry weed or plants on your person until you have established that the person is not a narc- and that is a hell of a task, and one which you will never be 100% certain of. A couple years ago, a single week of raids in my county took down over 100 dealers, all but 1 for hard drugs, and the guy who turned out to have been the planted informant was a scruffy, hardcore, inked mofo with gang tats and a bad habit of banging the local dealers' girlfriends. Which just goes to show you can't even trust appearances.

the image reaper
06-04-2008, 02:44 PM
I met over a hundred growers this past weekend. Growers are a cool, cool crowd. A lot more were invited but opted out for security reasons, and I think that was a smart move but in this case luckily the fear was unwarranted. Of course, in this line of work NO initial fear is unwarranted and we never find out that a situation WAS indeed safe until the situation has passed.
I guess the way to safely meet growers is to find that fine line between foolsihly exposing yourself and sitting in a dark house looking out the window for narcs. Use your spidey sense. If it says DANGER trust it. If it says COOL be skeptical. lol.
Some of us have been here in communication long enough that we have come to trust each other, and I have met a few members here who were wonderful people, and one who creeped me the FUCK out.
The only way to protect yourself 100% is to go daily to your boring 9-5 and on weekends barbeque with the in-laws and mow the lawn and not do anything illegal. But once you cross that line, it's important to create barriers where information cannot pass.
If you are going to expose yourself, BUY A TRACFONE. DO NOT SET UP THE VOICEMAIL. DO NOT HAVE A NAME ATTACHED TO IT AT ALL. Use an anonymous email with an IP mask of some type. Never carry weed or plants on your person until you have established that the person is not a narc- and that is a hell of a task, and one which you will never be 100% certain of. A couple years ago, a single week of raids in my county took down over 100 dealers, all but 1 for hard drugs, and the guy who turned out to have been the planted informant was a scruffy, hardcore, inked mofo with gang tats and a bad habit of banging the local dealers' girlfriends. Which just goes to show you can't even trust appearances.

I didn't mean to 'creep you out', I was just trying to be romantic :S3: ... :S2:

stinkyattic
06-04-2008, 02:49 PM
I didn't mean to 'creep you out', I was just trying to be romantic ... Reap Darlin' you KNOW who I'm talking about and it's not you, or anyone who is still a member here. You know any time you are on the East Coast you are more than welcome to look me up!

NaughtyDreadz
06-04-2008, 04:25 PM
with gang tats and a bad habit of banging the local dealers' girlfriends. Which just goes to show you can't even trust appearances.


when you know he goes around dancing the horizontal samba with someone else's woman, that's a bad sign right there... as far as people go... one can't have integrity just on one aspect of his personality....

painretreat
06-09-2008, 02:57 PM
Thanks daihashi-good advice; but he is nazi like about gro outdoors and I cannot (at this point), so he isn't forth-coming in the advice and strickly does clones. Dumb shit tho, lives in a rented apt. and grows on upstairs porch.
STINKY-Best advice. I worked with a sec. guard that was the Capt. of the Vice Squad in tha area- He looked exactly how you described, to the 'T's and talked like a real prick thinking he was cool when he farted the Star Spangled Banner. I hurt his feelings one day when I told him he was the rudest person I'd ever met. Chief of Police also worked there and was his boss (all worked there part time); I hurt his wittle feelings and he cried to his boss! Can u imagine that! I did have a heart to heart talk to him about how could you resist. Man, you cannot imagine the frame of mind someone like that has, it made me suspicious from then on. But, I never really knew the laws related and didn't have a lot of fear. Lucky to be on this side of the big house! I will print and post those rules 4 me! :thumbsup: thanks PR

justanotherbozo
06-09-2008, 03:27 PM
when you know he goes around dancing the horizontal samba with someone else's woman, that's a bad sign right there... as far as people go... one can't have integrity just on one aspect of his personality....

you either have it, or you're full of shit, you can't have just a little integrity.

thanks for bringing it up, this thing we do, being illegal, forces us to make some compromises because of what i consider unjust laws.
that doesn't mean we can just toss the integrity out the window.

and excellant advice from Stinky, you have to learn to trust your gut (and that only half-way, lol)