TEST LAUNCH-Operation Redwood Tree

[d4twamp]

very[/B] pleased to hear that your new project is doing better. The way you're describing things makes me really want to follow along. It's almost like I'm on the edge of my seat, reading a good mystery novel or something. Will they survive? If so, how? Who killed the 2 departed ones, and what was the motive? What are they're day to day lives like? Where do they live? Any love interests or arranged marriages in the possible future for the young girls? I am thrilled to hear that we will soon be seeing pictures of the protagonists.


I don't wanna hijack either but Opie you crack me up...
I'm tryin to get into the screenwriting bussiness, and think you should take a stab at comedy...

I feel for you WH with the clones I'm new to the whole cloning thing and am tryin to keep over 40 GDP clones alive, for my 1st try with clones, but if all goes well in a month or so their should be room in the flowering room for the survivors... good luck

I'm rooting theese in oasis cubes and from what I here they are great for germin' beans...

And Weedhound thanks for the kind words...

laterD:S5:

[justanotherbozo]

i was wondering if you'd mind going into more depth regarding the pros and cons of hydroton vs hygromite. i know you use hygromite from some of your posts in others threads, just not clear on why.

anyway, toke amongst yourselves

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/155748-rockwool-vs-pots.html

Bozo I actually talked about that on this thread but to PONTIFICATE FURTHER :jointsmile: I found that all in all the higromite had much less fert build up issues and the silica in it helped the plants grow better in general.

Edit: But without a doubt the biggest thing that I hated about hydroton were the terrible ph issues and ALL the pretreatment it required (and even THEN there were ph issues....:wtf:)

[MVP]

Hey kids, here are the GDP twins at ~ 35 days into flower.

[MVP]

Here are the Hempy clones of the GDP from ^^^

[MVP]

Here are the Kushman's Strawberry Cough twins at ~ 33 days into flower.

Thanks Hound, for the airtime to show off the madness happening at the house while I work 12 hours a day :wtf:

MVP

[Weedhound]

You and Treetops with the Folger's containers!! Hey what's the temperature in your area these days MVP?

[MVP]

It has been in the high 60's to the low-mid 80's lately. The growroom has see a high of about 87 F but only once or twice since March. How about you? How are things in your neck of the woods?

[Weedhound]

Are you kidding.....always LOVE to see your stuff. Hope works not killin' ya. 87 you bastard.....101 here today....IN THE SHADE.

Those strawberry twins are gorgeous as well......:thumbsup:

What's the background on your "cough" strain...do you know?

[Rock.Steady]

wow, hi quality hijak:cool:

nice work MVP:thumbsup:


those folgers cans kick azz:pimp:

[Weedhound]

Sick cola man speaks.....:D

[SnSstealth]

GDP and Folgers....fuckin awesome, lol...nice hijack, gorgeous ladies....
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

It does make you wonder if Folger's has something over on other coffees.....:D

TONS to report today folks.....W/f users....go check out my thread in hydroponics about creating a recirculating system with your waterfarm. My hydro man showed me the kit yesterday and I've already set up up and love it (I'm not using 8 buckets though so it didn't take me long to set up.)

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/155833-gh-waterfarm-users-simple-recirculating-system.html

[Weedhound]

Hey kids, here are the GDP twins at ~ 35 days into flower.

THOSE are STUNNING. I have a few of those seeds....I may not wait to plant them outdoors since they look so delicious inside your house. I may well just have to plant a few and grow them in soil inside until I'm sure I have a female.

BLOODY CRYSTALLY ALREADY!!!
:thumbsup:

[d4twamp]

me likes the strawberry twins too...

I've also got some gdp's going just had to take out 3 hermies yesterday, :mad: heat stress i think... it was 105 degrees yesterday... got an a/c but my vent has been an issue,hoping to get enough cash to buy some better inline fans...

Weedhound I too have been wanting to try hygromite as opposed to the hydroton I've been working with but when I went to my fav hydro shop the owner said that she had spoke with one of the sales reps and said something about the hygromite having asbestos in it and thats why they wern't carrying it. I don't know the truth about it, but it's got me thinkin if there was asbestos in there they shouldn't be able to sell it...

later D:S5:

[Weedhound]

My mistake......I was thinking Daddy's Girl and had my letters mixed up backward.

d4.....I'll ask my hydro guy about that but I'm really having trouble thinking there is asbestos in the stuff....I'm sure it's like you said that they wouldn't be able to sell it but I'll certainly doublecheck. ;)

GDP.....is that Grandaddy Purple people? :D

[Weedhound]

So yesterday was a "blow-out" day in terms of the cool stuff we learned about plants and growing and cannabis.

First...we bought a gram of bubble hash ($30) at dispensary we visited. IS IT JUST ME OR HAS HASH ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THIS?
Fucking ASS-KICKING!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Is the bubble hash the purest type? Because that stuff REALLY rocked my world and just plain pretty much knocked out Mr Hound! Here was us yesterday >>> :stoned::stoned:

Second: The PP improved a good amount and then started to sink again so we decided to get out the really big guns (ummm...actually syringes. :D). It occured to me (FINALLY...:wtf:) to take a big old syringe (in this case a turkey basting syringe) and flush sections of the medium out under pressure so that's what we did.......About a gallon of warm H202'd
water bit by bit and after that another flush. (Edit: We would NOT have been able to do this at ALL if we were still working with the w/f buckets instead of net pots.)

HUGE DIFFERENCE!! We even got out some grit that had obviously been trapped in the medium since day 1.....small sand particles that should have washed out the first week. I really feel we have made a major breakthrough here because we can no longer find ANY areas that don't drain well in the net pot and the plant took even a LARGER jump than it did before. She's really starting to take off at this point!! :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

So Opie had been asking about the grandkids....:D

The three on the left are Power Plant clones taken yesterday (in case anyone thought the PP wasn't much bushier.....here's why ;)) So far so good with them.....having been an entire 20 hours or something.

Four on the right....This is a very special strain of Ak47 I discover called Fort Knox AK. So far we've lost four.....how? I'm honestly not sure but I AM sure they died. Just wilted up a bit more each day. :( Pray for the remaining gene pool please.

[justanotherbozo]

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/155748-rockwool-vs-pots.html

Bozo I actually talked about that on this thread but to PONTIFICATE FURTHER :jointsmile: I found that all in all the higromite had much less fert build up issues and the silica in it helped the plants grow better in general.

Edit: But without a doubt the biggest thing that I hated about hydroton were the terrible ph issues and ALL the pretreatment it required (and even THEN there were ph issues....:wtf:)

said the blind man to the deaf mute, lol
actually, i see another dratted upgrade in my future (sigh)

[Weedhound]

The hydro plant is of course larger and bushier than the soil but I think they were also turned about a week apart as well (hydro first.) We're going to take the hydro plant out today and do the same thing with the syringe/flushing that we did to the power plant but minus the hydrogen peroxide since we just bought some new Cannazym and tossed a bunch in.

Speaking of....after talking to our hydro guy we're more convinced than ever that our Cannazym just got too old and that is the ROOT of our PROBLEM!!!! :S2:

Two shows a day until Sunday.....:D :wtf:

[Weedhound]

bozo lots of people use hydroton and are quite happy with it so don't base this one experience on it......it DOES have its advantages so once the ph issues stop you may find you like it fine.

[justanotherbozo]

So Opie had been asking about the grandkids....:D

The three on the left are Power Plant clones taken yesterday (in case anyone thought the PP wasn't much bushier.....here's why ;)) So far so good with them.....having been an entire 20 hours or something.

Four on the right....This is a very special strain of Ak47 I discover called Fort Knox AK. So far we've lost four.....how? I'm honestly not sure but I AM sure they died. Just wilted up a bit more each day. :( Pray for the remaining gene pool please.


and my prayers go out to you and the youngin's

[hydrocannabis]

damm they all look great WH. mine look like crap. I must be doing something wrong with mine.

what kind of water do U use. and whats the ph of the water just by its self.

[Weedhound]

Hey hydro, thanks for stopping by.

Well I use RO water but I never check the ph until right before I use things so I couldn't say.....I only check and adjust it very last before I use it.

What strain are you growing?

[MVP]

THOSE are STUNNING. I have a few of those seeds....I may not wait to plant them outdoors since they look so delicious inside your house. I may well just have to plant a few and grow them in soil inside until I'm sure I have a female.

BLOODY CRYSTALLY ALREADY!!!
:thumbsup:

They cloned very easily so starting in soil or hempy (75% perlite, 25% vermiculite) would make sense. Hempy is great since it is a neutral medium - basically hydro with no moving parts. Biggest piece of work is watering every other day... :D

[Weedhound]

Well what kind of things can go wrong with hempys? I've seen a few people with issues and no clue why....someone said that you don't have to worry about ph with them....is that true? And do you feed them nute solution every time you water? And why wouldn't you want moving parts in your hydro so that you wouldln't have to water any more?

Pros?
Cons?

Do tell please. :)

[MVP]

Are you kidding.....always LOVE to see your stuff. Hope works not killin' ya. 87 you bastard.....101 here today....IN THE SHADE.

Those strawberry twins are gorgeous as well......:thumbsup:

What's the background on your "cough" strain...do you know?

The background is limited to the fact that I picked them up as clones from a co-op in Van Nuys. They are rumored to be a 3/4 sativa 1/4 indica renowned for very nice anti-anxiety properties.

[MVP]

Well what kind of things can go wrong with hempys? I've seen a few people with issues and no clue why....someone said that you don't have to worry about ph with them....is that true? And do you feed them nute solution every time you water? And why wouldn't you want moving parts in your hydro so that you wouldln't have to water any more?

Pros?
Cons?

Do tell please. :)

In the past I had hempys with no problems. It has been as simple as mixing full strength nutes according to the directions on the bottle and watering them every other day until runoff spills into the catch tray. They can be over watered but it takes a lot of work to do so. I never checked the PH in the past, nor am I doing it now.

The main advantages of hempy right now is that my 2 hydro rooms are full and I have a cabinet in the garage that is now the Hempy Hotel. It gets 10 degrees hotter out there and that would put reservoir temps in the 80's - 90's which I have found to be a problem. Also with hempy it is a shorter height setup so I can grow easier in confined spaces. Last but not least it is simple for my GF to care for these girls when I don't have the time. She is slowly being trained into hydro, but has never grown before so we are taking it in small steps.

Technically it is a hydroponic setup - no soil, neutral medium - so it is easy to flush and recover from nute problems.

Overall it produces similar results to DWC or drip/WF types, but a bit smaller on yield. The downside is that I have to mix and manually water 3x week, and nute consumption is pretty heavy. But for the time being I think it suits me fine as a complement (not replacement!) for the hydro.

P.S. Just picked up a kickass Lumitec 600W digital ballast, Eye Hort HPS bulb and top of the line Daystar air cooled hood... When GDP is done in June I have an upgrade planned for the grow closet! :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Dude that light sounds KILLER! Hortilux eye is supposed to be the best....that's what I use. And I LOVE my digital ballast.....I'll never go back to the standard ones again.

Thanks for the hempy info. I really want to get into these and explore them further so glad you know about them. :) Hey, can you transplant those things? Doesn't all the perlite break apart if you try it?

Here's a couple of pics of Fang yesterday.

[SnSstealth]

fang is lookin GOOD WH....:thumbsup::jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[MVP]

Hey again, yeah you can transplant the hempys. It takes a careful hand and is a bit messy but it can be done. I am somewhere around 2-4 weeks away from doing just that so I'll snap some pictures when it happens. I like to keep them somewhat moist when I do it so the perlite doesn't crumble away and create a nasty dust. :wtf:

[Weedhound]

Yes please do....I really want to learn more about the hempys.....as much as possible (within my brain limits of course)

Thanks very much for the gift in the mail. Haven't had a chance to use it yet although Mr Hound did accidently cut off a finger. (j/k :D)

[Weedhound]

Ok MVP....I'm going to be starting a hempy soon so stick around ok?

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: So the first of my 4 remaining AK -47's have rooted....:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :woohoo: I've planted her in FFOF soil with about 30% perlite added. Barring any unforeseens she should do fine from here on in. ;)

I started using Rhizotonic per my hydro guy and foliar fed them all last night 1/4 strength grow nutes per Stinky's previous instructions. Believe me those roots were NOT there last night. :wtf:

Anyone know how often I should foliar feed the rest of them until they root? :confused:

[bombdiggity]

fang is gonna put out soo much bud...

beautiful plant :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

:smokebong: congrats on the AK!!! loves storks man...I have never foliar fed my clones till they started veg growth.. WH,(other than plain water..lightly once a day) so I dont know the answer to that..news to me...
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

I just try to make sure they stay moist.... and if your gonna foliar feed try to keep the nutrient to a 1/8 to 1/4 strength...
I've got some fat hairy roots on my clones at least on the survivors..lol...

later D:S5:

[Opie Yutts]

Nice, real nice. I'm pleased. I've not foliar feed babies either, but I'm with d4 on 1/8 strength, at least for starters. As for frequency, I'm guessing every day or two would be good.

[Shovelhandle]

ok, I think I have some idea about "hempy" it's like a rooting plug or something? But now, what about the stork? <G>

[Weedhound]

So Fang is coming along great even though I split the stem about an inch while trying to LST her (I ALAWAYS do that :wtf:) but she just doesn't seem to care much; just keeps on growing. That 400w light directly over her is causing the back of the plant to develop as nicely as the front is. Usually our plants have somewhat lesser development in the back and this is what we wanted to change this grow. So far so good.....:thumbsup:

Her ppms are at approximately 1300-1350 and will stay there until we start to flush her.

This plant is supposed to finish at 7-9 weeks.....I think she's going to take longer just because of her size.

[jessejames12345]

This is a great log everyone, thanks for all sharing so much information there is so much to learn in this hobby of ours :)

This really makes me want to give this DWC thing a try with my next grow, Im sick of getting dirt everywhere ;)

Great strains, great grow , and awesome pics ...nice :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Ak 47....

The one is soil is doing great but the other three got too cold one night during a bit of a surprise rain and we didn't have the central heat on so two croaked and we've put the last one in hydro and will see how she does.

The soil one is really doing beautifully and will end up being our clone mom. :)

Related note: check out the cool new fluro set up we bought. :thumbsup: The power plant clones also got too cold so we went ahead and planted them in soil and they are on suicide watch as well. :wtf:

[Weedhound]

Btw.....those two little munchkins germinating in front are another Fang (Brainstorm) and an MK. We will be turning the Arjans Strawberrry Haze and SNL x NH shortly and just topped them yesterday in anticipation. :D

Edit: Shov my understanding of hempys is using perlite and/or vermeculite to grow your plant in instead of soil. ;)

[MVP]

Hempy is a soil-less medium with 3 parts perlite to 1 part vermiculite. Standard practice is using a 2-gallon bucket with a drain hole 2 inches above the bottom of the planter so it simulates a water table or reservoir.

Watering every other day is necessary, perhaps daily if less than a 1-gallon container is used... hope that helps :D

[Shovelhandle]

Fang is a super-size, WOW.

WH, I had a surprise kill in the garden Tues night. Lost a lot of plants, others are damaged. Must have been frost, but I never saw it and the forecast didn't show frost warning in our area (just upland a few miles though). Sucks. Have to replant lots of stuff today.
I'll check out that new lighting too. I hope weather warms up soon for you.

[zebulon]

Frost?? That sucks....We had yesterday 95...it's already so warm, it will be fun to water the plants whole summer...

Wh....the plants look awesome...and Fang, she's gonna have some huge buds for sure...

[jakezking]

I have been lurking in your thread for awhile, and thought I would at least provide you some applause. Fang is absolutely amazing! I cannot wait to see her end result, and am rooting for her to be the pounder plus for which you are shooting.

Good luck in your continuing grows, and I look forward to leeching as much information from your thread as I can in hopes I will retain it for my future use.

Take good care out there! And, thanks again for all of the gorgeous eye candy!

[zebulon]

Hey Wh......whats up?? How is Fang doing?? Some update & pix would be nice...:thumbsup:
Yesterday I received a one day old DP's Power Plant from a friend, I'm so happy.....gonna grow it outdoors....
(Those dogs in your new Av are absolutely adorable...:D)

[Weedhound]

She's getting pretty darn big and got a very nice frost developing so far but looking up close you can see she has a ways to go. I'm guessing 10 weeks altogether but wouldn't be surprised if she took a bit longer either.



Btw....Fang is a Brainstorm (Northern Lights #5 x Haze) just to refresh everyone's memory. ;)

[Weedhound]

The one in soil is going to be our clone mom. I topped her already and she's come back strong. We're going to transplant her into a 3 gal container and then try some clones after she settles in. She's a great, easy grower so far. :thumbsup:

The clone in hydro finally took as well. Funny we kept watching it and saw nothing, nothing, nothing and then all of a sudden Mr Hound pointed out a root coming out the bottom of the net pot. :wtf: From there on out she's bounced back very well and I think will do nicely in hydro (fingers crossed.)

[Weedhound]

There are actually three clones and they all took well but the third one we burned by getting the big flouros too close and she is recovering from that and is camera shy. The two here are doing really well......the one on the right in the first photo will be our clone mom. Both of these have been topped already and have several layers of nodes even though they look small. I don't remember having my power plants in hydro looking this good EVER. :wtf: :cool:

[jessejames12345]

Your plants are the absolute picture of health :thumbsup: Fang's a BEAST :thumbsup:

I think I Might give this DWC thing a try , soil is giving me to many headaches ;)

peace, and thanks for the help with my grow

JJ

[Shovelhandle]

Nice AK-47s and PPPs.

So, Fang is almost 7 weeks and may go another 3 weeks? How tall is she and has she stopped vertical growth?

Sho

[SnSstealth]

fang is a beast!!!! gorgeous, healthy plant...congrats!
WT

[Weedhound]

Thanks very much everyone .....she does seem pretty happy doesn't she? I have a brand new one I just started in hydro as well. Maybe I'll carry the newbie into the flower room so she can see what she supposed to look like later. :D Right now she's just two sets of leaves. :cool:

Shov I honestly don't think she has really stopped vertically growing completely.....we've been having to move the light up a few inches every couple days and she still reaches her leaves up right onto the glass like she'd grab the light out with her bare leaves if she could. We DO see changes in her everyday and she's got plenty of space and root room so I'm sure she's not rootbound.....just big and taking her time (we HOPE!!)

[Weedhound]

BUT realize why they don't work for us in hydro.....you have to get the light closer which is fine in soil but in our setups we are constantly having to remove the plant from the bucket and the lower lighting gets in the way. Took me awhile but I finally realized that the HID lights can be farther away from the plants making things easier to deal with in the w/f buckets but the flouros have DEFINITELY found a place in our hearts and grow area. :)

PS...they also work great to provide low heat to new seedlings and/or clones as you can see.

We got rid of our SNL x NH....it simply was not growing well and when we removed it from the higromite we could see why.....I really MANGLED the roots with my early flushing of that plant (and two others) with and INCORRECT ph (close to 7) so reminder to everyone to ph ph ph.....especially in hydro.

[Weedhound]

Those are four seeds we started yesterday.....3 SNL x NH and one Church (a hail mary pass with that one) so we'll see how they pop.

Due to Stealth's experience with the FFoF soil and the seedlings I spoke to my hydro guy who recommended something that FF makes specifically for seedlings and so that is what we will be starting them in after the rapid rooters. They told me the name but I have already forgotten so when I have the stuff in hand I'll let everyone know. (some sort of planting mix by FF....anyone?)

[Weedhound]

This is one of the two WW clones we took awhile back that was going to be our clone mom before we went semi-south on clones.

This soil plant has also been an experiment in soil for us as well so having nothing else to really judge her by I'll say she's doing pretty good. We've been adding nutes every other watering but are not really sure if we need more or less or ? so we're just making things up as we go.

INTERESTINGLY this is the first time we've grown a clone out to flower rather than plants started from seed and we've both noticed the same thing in this particular set of clones vs seedlings.....the yield seems to be fairly reduced considering veg time given both these clones (the other one is in hydro) is equal to what was given my other seedlings yet the amount the plant grew and the yield is definitely reduced from a seedling grown, vegged and flowered in the same conditions.

[Weedhound]

This is the second WW clone placed in hydro and turned to 12/12 one week earlier than her sister (and Fang.) As you can see the hydro sis makes the soil plant look...rather.....well...SLENDER in comparison.....but even so this plant did not "flower out" with the same yield etc as a seedling would have from the same age which we found to be information to keep in mind for future growing.

[SnSstealth]

Light Warrior Agro-Ponic Medium is FF answer to seedlings WH....didnt even know they made something for seedlings till stinky suggested Happy Frog...also FF....wala....
whiskeytango

[zebulon]

The Hydro WW looks def. better than the soil one...
Nice work Wh...truly beautiful plants....:thumbsup:

Btw...what happened to the Power Plant??

[Weedhound]

Zeb we dumped both her and the SNL x NH....both were having pretty good root problems that we weren't able to fix but DID help us with a head's up for future grows.

Tip: If you use a zyme product make sure it's not outdated. ;)

[rhizome]

Figured I'd stop in and say hi.

Looks like all is well?

[Weedhound]

Hey Rhizome,

Great to see you as always. Hope the world is treating you and yours well. :)

We're doing pretty well all in all.....a few losses but more good things than bad at this point so :D

Our three SNL x NH have all cracked. Stealth....(or Stinky... or ...) I haven't been able to get to my hydro store......did someone say that Happy Frog is ok for seedlings?

[Weedhound]

She's finishing fast and absolutely no sign of any increasing bulk. All the pistils are turning dark brown and while she's still drinking a gallon a day and the ph is rising she just doesn't seem to be doing anything besides finishing up.....and NO WHERE NEAR the yield we were hoping for.

We'll be surprised if she coughs up 6 oz total. :(:(

We're not really sure why this is. This plant has been vegged for six weeks, topped twice, is under 1400 w of hps light, in a 10 gallon bucket with fresh nutes added daily and is known to be one of the highest yielding strains ever. The stem is about 2 inches thick and she has TONS of beautiful roots. The ENTIRE PLANT appears to be the picture of health.....so why such a SHITTY finish? :( :mad:

It's EXTREMELY depressing after 4 mos of hard work so Mr Hound and I joining the ranks of those who have had grow problems lately and feeling VERY bummed.....especially since we have NO IDEA what else we're supposed to do with a plant besides everything we already did to create good conditions for a good finish. And this is is just a total bust we think and leaves us without a plan for the future. If improving lighting, temps, conditions etc for your plant doesn't help with yield (but in fact sends the yield backward :wtf:) we just don't know what else to do. :(:(:(:(:(:(

[Shovelhandle]

Hey, what you guys were trying to do was like extreem sports...do or die. You make the big sacrifices and expenses but no garantees. You give a great try and a wonderful and entertaining log. And, I'd sure like to have three ounces plants, never mind six or six-teen! Yow. So, no pity here. You guys do good all the time and still growing fine.

[Shovelhandle]

Nice a buncha pics of them other plants too.

Shov

[Weedhound]

I know I know.....I just did what Stinky said we SHOULDNT do which is count all your chickens before they hatch...:wtf:

We've got a whole bunch of new kids started as well.....took 3 AK 47 clones from our mom that are doing well so far and some new SNL x NH in soil (Happy Frog) that look pretty good (knock on wood) so far too. :)

I'm just bummed because I'm not real sure why this plant took a crap and decided to quit and finish early. I don't think we even had any light screw ups this grow.....:confused:

[Weedhound]

Here's our AK 47 plants: The first pic is one of the original clones put in hydro and just now really starting to kick in and take off. :cool:

Pic 2: 3 new AK-47 clones taken from the mom yesterday. :thumbsup:

Pic 3: AK clone mom.....doing terrific and you cant even tell where we took the three clones from her. We just put her in a three gallon pot at the beginning of the week and she's already got roots coming out the bottom of the pot so we had to thin her out and slow her down somehow and decided we might as well take a few kids. :wtf:

[SnSstealth]

lookin good WH:thumbsup:

gotta SNLxNH thread startin soon:jointsmile:
WT

[TheGreenFog]

Looking EXCELLENT, WH. :)

The Fog :vap_rasta:

[justanotherbozo]

Here's our AK 47 plants: The first pic is one of the original clones put in hydro and just now really starting to kick in and take off. :cool:

Pic 2: 3 new AK-47 clones taken from the mom yesterday. :thumbsup:

Pic 3: AK clone mom.....doing terrific and you cant even tell where we took the three clones from her. We just put her in a three gallon pot at the beginning of the week and she's already got roots coming out the bottom of the pot so we had to thin her out and slow her down somehow and decided we might as well take a few kids. :wtf:


this is something you've probably already found a way to deal with but i use tooth picks and wooden skewers as props as you did in those rapid rooter plugs.

mine went moldy on me which, in my noobness, spread and killed my first batch of seedlings.

since then i have learned to take each skewer and roll it and scrape it along a bar of soap, coating it with a layer of soap, the mold won't grow on the soap and the soap won't hurt the plants

[stinkyattic]

Am I seeing things? *rubbing eyes* WH has a healthy dirt plant!!! Holy crapola Batman! That thing looks GOOD. So do the clones.

[Shovelhandle]

wh, what are those clones in? how do they work? where do i find them? thanks

shov

[stinkyattic]

Shove- they are RapidRooters. Next time you are down 91, get off at exit 4 and go into Putney Village- Liquid Sun is right behind the laundromat across the street from Basketville and keeps them in stock cheap. They work awesome. IF I had to make a list of 'top 5 grow products I could not live without or cob up some other way', they would be right up there with calmag, pH indicator drops, and high-CFM blowers, lol!

[Weedhound]

Shov the RR's ROCK. They are like cool little sponges that hold your plants or seeds and have all sorts of beneficial bacteria and mycorr.....etc...(all those things that Stinky and Rhizome always talk about :wtf:) and I use them to start everything....seeds and clones both. You can just as easily pop them into a hydro bucket as a dirt plant and like Stinky I couldn't be caught without them either. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Am I seeing things? *rubbing eyes* WH has a healthy dirt plant!!! Holy crapola Batman! That thing looks GOOD. So do the clones.


Thanks Stinkster....:) My new motto: transplant, transplant, transplant. :D

[SnSstealth]

i popped the churches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WT

[Weedhound]

OH YOU GO!! CONGRATS!! We just tossed our last one.....you'll like the church. :thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

hey WH ur soil plant looks great so far.
and the church sound bangen.:D

yall should come over and check out my grow log.:(
its only in there and they wanted to know how there doing.

[SnSstealth]

goodie gumdrops!!! gotta q for ya WH....wgat do you think of
A. running 4 3gal pots with the SNLxNH
B. running 8 1gal " " " "
the solo procyon is gonna be a SNLxNH condo....lol
opinions?
WT

[allrollsin21]

This is a rocking log WH. Lots of little lessons within these pages. It looks like you can save the stalks when you harvest and use it for fire wood next season!!;)
Thanks for sharing...now i must continue to read...

[GreenDestiny]

I like that WW in hydro. Sucks that it didn't bulk up like you expected... did the mother you cloned it from yield a lot?

[Weedhound]

Wow, a whole bunch of people stopped by! Hi everyone and thanks for reading. :jointsmile:

Well here's the latest scoop. Fang is finishing.....she stopped drinking a gallon a day and quit using her nutes so we've put her on straight water.

We've come to the conclusion that we simply didn't give her enough nutes and I wasn't paying enough attention to catch it earlier. While we took her to the top of my nute schedule (1350ppm) which has always done fine before we are thinking that with the new net pots we need to go HIGHER nute wise......there's no buildup in the medium to burn the roots (this is simply PONTIFICATING at this point). But when I finally DID get around to paying better attention to the plants I discovered that she was taking 1300 nutes and eating them down to 1100....daily...(and include a FRESH GALLON OF 1300 nutes added daily as well in that calculation) she needed MORE than we were giving is what I'm thinking. We're going to trying up to 1500-1600 this next grow (we have another Brainstorm about 3 weeks old ;) and this time check ppms daily to see if we need to adjust things better with the new equipment. The only real conclusion I've come to here is that she needed more nutes....most likely due to the net pots and lack of fert buildup because everything else she had double of.....all the way through including space AND lighting.

We would LOVE everone's else's PONTIFICATIONS on this as well as it HAS left us scratching our heads a bit. The plant is big, beautiful and perfectly healthy......just not a very good yield. Whattup with that? :confused:

Thoughts everyone??

[GreenDestiny]

We would LOVE everone's else's PONTIFICATIONS on this as well as it HAS left us scratching our heads a bit. The plant is big, beautiful and perfectly healthy......just not a very good yield. Whattup with that? :confused:

Thoughts everyone??

Yeah sounds like the water/nute usage would be perfect if you bumped it up to around 1600ppm. And if you're using clones from the same mother next time and still no big yield then maybe time to get another mother?

[MVP]

My opinion: You should take them up to 1600-1700, checking PPM and PH religiously 2x daily. Change nutes weekly, flushing for 24 hours each time. Say 10 hail mary's for each oz you desire to achieve, do a rain dance, and send a $250 check each week to MVP....

:jointsmile:

MVP

[SnSstealth]

what he said....
WT

[Weedhound]

Well its too late for Fang but whenever I've gone above 1400 in the past I've gotten burning.....no matter what strain I'm growing which is why I didn't try this time. All my better plants (including my two top producers) were given no more than 1350 in nutes at any point during the grows and anytiime I tried to raise that they would burn. I wonder now if that is due to the fert build up in my medium which MAY BE why I need to use higher numbers these days. Hmmmmm........:cool:

MVP....can I just send straight monopoly money....?? :D

[Weedhound]

I like that WW in hydro. Sucks that it didn't bulk up like you expected... did the mother you cloned it from yield a lot?

GD this statement really is what got me to thinking.....our WW mom was only a so so yielder.....I was unfamiliar with what a light feeder the WW was and so went pretty light on the nutes with her (about 700-800 through most of bloom) and she came out nice and healthy.....but without the huge yield we expected as well.

Now with these two pics: The mom is the big one in the huge bucket but she only yielded about 5 and 1/2 oz......pretty UNIMPRESSIVE for a plant that size. Her CLONE HOWEVER.....also in hydro etc we upped the nutes to the very edge of nuteburn (in the case of a WW that turned out to be approx 1000ppm) and she tossed out buds triple in size to her mother with a final yield of 3 and 1/2 oz on a plant ONE THIRD THE SIZE!! So it HAS TO BE the nutes!! (we hope....!!!!.) Interesting that a ppm of 200-ish can make such a difference in yield at finish.

HMMMMMMMMMMM :wtf: :cool:

Thoughts all??

[SnSstealth]

thoughts all?........


hmmm.....might I look into buckets?:rastasmoke:
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[MVP]

Question for you Hound: What strain are you gonna use for your next attempt for the LB grow? IMO genetics are the key.

Personally, I just finished the Strawberry Cough and Grand Daddy Purple and if I were trying to grow an elbow, I would choose different strains. I love the results from both but they are not typically big yielders.

I suggest a known producer that is an aggressive feeder... in my experience it would be Black Domina or the new Black Kush beans (Black Domina x Master Kush) I picked up a while back. BTW, I just cracked some Big Bud beans to see how much I can yield when I set up my new digital 600 HPS next month...

[SnSstealth]

i was about to say I agree with MVP 110% on the BD.....but BK!?!? where do i aquire these fabled beans MVP?...
I dabbled with BD back in like 99-01...loved it then, love it now...almomst no manicuring....HUGE yeild..great high....
well said MVP....i concur on those strains!!!
WT

[Weedhound]

Well right now we have the following list:

Fang
cotton candy
Ak -47 clone
power plant in soil
WW in soil
Arjans Strawberry Haze

in the bloom room. Fang and the WW are both almost finished (i'd say within a week for both.....)

In veg under 250w mh we have a Master Kush and another Brainstorm that are both about 3 weeks old and a brand new SLN x NH that just popped (that one is still on suicide watch....). (btw...yieldwise Brainstorm is supposed to be a HUGE yielder....I know X-Crispi's best yied ever was off of a SNL x NH....19 oz....) and the Brainstorm is a close relative. I really think we just blew it this grow with the nutes and the new net pots etc.........I was contemplating aiming with the Master Kush but it will probably be an SNL x NH we'd have the best bet with yield wise. I remember one of our MK's finished like it was in a speed race or something and no matter WHAT we did we couldn't slow it down so the yield was compromised due to the super speedy finish. Don't know if Kushette's seeds will be the same way but it wouldn't be surprising if they were would it?

And under T5 lights we've got 2 Ak47 clones rooting (lost one when I dropped it and broke it) that are both looking very good, 2 SNL x NH seedlings in soil that are doing well also, our AK47 clone mom that is absolutely going NUTS and two power plant clones. One I just topped for the second time (going to be a clone mom....;)) and the other will be ready to bloom in about a week or two.

SO......

It's 103 today (100 yesterday) and I've completely given up the idea of an outdoor grow this year. We WILL be trying some lovely seeds that were storked to us by a very good friend like the super silver haze seeds and Black Domina seeds I have CAREFULLY kept until we can pop them indoors....in soil......under the T5's...which will be soon I'm sure. :thumbsup:

[deaner]

hey, another alaskan! you got the blueprints for that cool drying tub on here anywhere? that looked handy.

[Weedhound]

We went ahead and took about the top 1/4 on her so we could get better light to the bottom because UNLIKE the top buds the bottom half has a fair way to go. I think the rest will take about another week.

[Weedhound]

When guesstimating the amount while "hanging on the vine" what we thought was about an ounce actually turned out to be 46 grams.....quite a lot more than we had figured. Upon getting "up close and personal" we started to see why.....the buds are literally COVERED with goo!!

Here are four macros we took today....each one increasing the zoom by a bit. Interesting isn't it?

[SnSstealth]

mmmmm....that looks mighty tasty WH!...on my way there...heh
whiskeytango

[jakezking]

Is it strange that I got all tingly down there while looking at those pictures? Dang - I'm either a sick, twisted individual, or this dang leisure suit is really too tight! In all seriousness, despite the hyperbole, I am absolutely amazed by Fang. I know she did not yield what you had hoped, but I cannot wait until your next grow to see if increasing your nutes will indeed be the solution due to your larger net pots. Damn - too many years of regurgitating what I learned in school has led to simple short-term memorization. I need to really study hydro, as it used to mean everything in college.

Sorry for taking your log to ramble. I'm pretty Gumby'd Up about now. I should go home soon. Be good out there! Aloha and Goodbye

[Shovelhandle]

Lovely bud pics, Mrs. Hound!

[Weedhound]

jake I'm wondering if it could both....the suit AND the gumby....and maybe the photos too. :D

We harvested our first "real" soil plant a couple days ago. Here are a few pics of her in her final hours......before death and mutilation. I love growing.......:D :D

She's yielded 36 grams dried so no complaints from us.......especially since she's definitely a "practice grow" and we did have some issues with ph toward the end so we feel pretty confident we will improve with future grows. :thumbsup:

[jakezking]

WH, sorry for rambling on and for my off-color comments. I was a bit out of control last night. That is a really beautiful soil-grown plant. From looking at her, I'm surprised she didn't yield more; but 1 and 1/4 ounces, or thereabouts, isn't too bad. What type of strain was she? How about a smoke report?

Sorry again - I'll try to contain myself from here on out; sometimes it's hard looking at all of these gorgeous ladies! And, there is something about ladies growing ladies - I don't know. I'm going to get myself in trouble here, so I'd better go again.

Be good out there!

[SnSstealth]

WH...be sure to let me know if you feel there is much taste differnece with that soil girl....she's gonna damage your brain though...promise that:thumbsup: WW can hurt ya...lol
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[Weedhound]

WH, sorry for rambling on and for my off-color comments. I was a bit out of control last night. That is a really beautiful soil-grown plant. From looking at her, I'm surprised she didn't yield more; but 1 and 1/4 ounces, or thereabouts, isn't too bad. What type of strain was she? How about a smoke report?

Sorry again - I'll try to contain myself from here on out; sometimes it's hard looking at all of these gorgeous ladies! And, there is something about ladies growing ladies - I don't know. I'm going to get myself in trouble here, so I'd better go again.

Be good out there!

What???!! :eek: Jake I LOVED your comments so feel free to add them any tme you want.......seriously!! :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

We've Decided We Love our Flouros

You and I both. I've been away from your thread far too long. You have a lot of really cool things going on. I have more to read to catch up, and I gotta run again real soon, but let me just say that I definitely hear ya on the fluoros. After 6 years of insisting all HID is the way to go, I am seriously considering trying to sell all my MH equipment. I would keep the HPS, which I believe is essential for flowering, but all MH could easily be replaced with fluorescent lighting.

I am very pleased at the growth rate during the veg cycle of my plants on all fluoro. Using the right colors makes a huge difference, but once you figure it out, you may see no need to spend the extra money to run MH. Anyone interested in a 400W switchable ballast, a 400W electronic ballast, sockets, bulbs, etc?

[Weedhound]

Hey Opie! Glad to see you.....hope you and yours are all well. :)

If you are serious about selling.....shoot me an e mail.....everything depends on the price imo.........;)

Well Fang is done. We took her down today and buzz-sawed her. I'm pretty sure she did NOT have enough nutes during flower to push her to greatness (witness all the lovely color changes on her leaves due to her using the nutes for bud production) but hopefully MINI-FANG will be able to step up to the plate next and hit a homer with an increased nute schedule. :jointsmile: Understand we're NOT unhappy with her harvest at ALL......just want MORE MORE MORE!!!!! :D

She's VERY sweet and citrus-y smelling.....almost like some sort of orange or lemon liqueur or something. Rather unusual imo (almost sickeningly sweet :wtf:) but that's not nearly as impressive as the cyrstally crud just covering her buds. :thumbsup:

Afraid to guess-timate anything but w'e're thinking maybe 5-6 oz.....kind of conservative but better than counting invisible chickens again.... :wtf: :smokin:

[SnSstealth]

damn fang!!! Im on my way........
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[zebulon]

Hello Wh....i just want to say nice work....Those are some beautiful autumn colors and the buds look so delicious...:thumbsup:
I'm really impressed and envy the way you and Mr. Hound grow these gorgeous plants...thanks for this great log...:hippy:
Which will be the next plant you gonna flower??

[Shovelhandle]

wow, that is one supersized mass of mj. and it sounds delicious. we'll have the final report in what...three or four weeks? I'm trying to dry and cure but the weather has been so damn humid it's making it hard really. bud is smelling softer and sweeter but it's eleven days drying and it hasn't gotten any dryer since day six or seven.

[jakezking]

Understand we're NOT unhappy with her harvest at ALL......just want MORE MORE MORE!!!!! :D

The rich get richer, because enough is never enough! 5 to 6 ounces off that beautiful lady isn't too shabby! But, I can't wait for you to hit the elbow on a single plant! I'm rootin' for ya - HA HA HA (that's my wife's style joke - a good ole pun).

What did you use to cut and trim Fang - boltcutters? That's a dang stump you have left - you'll need a dang bobcat to pull it outta the netpot!

Congratulations on your incredible grow, my friend! Also, I'm glad you are not offended by my oftentimes off-color sense of humor.

Take good care out there!

[MVP]

Hey Hound et al,

I'm looking into some T5's... what do you recommend? The 2 ft unit is the only one that fits my area, so I'm considering the New Wave 4 bulb or 8 bulb running cool/6500k Agrosun tubes.

Any comments/advice would be helpful...

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Hey MVP.....
any fires down your way? What's the weather doing?

Oh I would so LOVE to help you but th light bulbs CAME IN the reflector already....didn't even have to screw them in. The bulbs are very small and thin looking and get a bit hotter than I expected but the plants really love it. Opie is the one to ask or Stinky.....(or Rhizome if he's around.....) We literally bought like good robots what we were told to buy. :D

Here's the one we bought......?covers a 2 foot by 4 foot area.
You want to cover 2 x 4 feet?

[Weedhound]

for the kind words about Fang. You know if I hadnt had a bunch of expectations in the first place I probably would appreciate her more. :wtf:

For the next act:

Cotton Candy in large tub....she's growing fast but both times we've grown this plant in the past she's done at least five ounces for us before......she always looks huge then weighs out "fluffy" at the end.....I'll see if I can find an old pic of one of our previous girls.

Also have a very nice Arjans Strawberry Haze blooming (I think these are something like 10-12 weeks blooming time so nobody hold their breath for the finish) but she's got her own thing going.....she's strictly going to be for mommy down the road......:stoned::stoned:


We have one of the AK 47 clones in hydro that we just turned....she's doing very well in a 5 gal bucket (DWC and drip) and is handling larger numbers great so far (haven't grown this plant in hydro before......)

Got two power plants in 3 gallon soil pots (second one just brought in today) and we turned the AK-47 clone mom as well after transplanting her into a five gallon soil pot.....and she WAS rootbound alreaady in the 3!!! So we decided to turn her as well. ;)

[Opie Yutts]

It's EXTREMELY depressing after 4 mos of hard work so Mr Hound and I joining the ranks of those who have had grow problems lately and feeling VERY bummed

Hey, you got weed. I realize it's not what you were hoping for, but to be totally honest, I wouldn't presume to hope for so much. I don't know what else you can do either, but I'm very happy just putting along at several ounces per plant. If I get weed, and the plants are healthy, I know I'm doing things right. If you do things right, there aint much more you can do.

On the other hand, if you give me a big enough container and enough time I know I can get pounds off one plant. If you veg for a couple years... I keep having this dream of one plant filling up a warehouse before budding. That would be a tree of course.

Your stuff looks awesome!

[Opie Yutts]

i popped the churches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WT

No fucking way you bastard. How? Never mind, I'll read on.

[Opie Yutts]

It's 103 today (100 yesterday) and I've completely given up the idea of an outdoor grow this year.

It was 103 here 2 days ago, which happened to be the day after I planted some AK and BBxNL clones outdoors. The latter are loving it, but the AK may or may not be dead at this point. I mulched with straw, and the AK leaves above the straw are shriveled to near nothingness, but a few little leaves under the straw seem healthy. If you ever plant AK outdoors, watch carefully for bud rot if it starts raining for a couple days.

[Opie Yutts]

Hey Hound et al,

I'm looking into some T5's... what do you recommend? The 2 ft unit is the only one that fits my area, so I'm considering the New Wave 4 bulb or 8 bulb running cool/6500k Agrosun tubes.

Any comments/advice would be helpful...

MVP :jointsmile:

My comment is that if you are able to find some bulbs that are 5700K your plants will grow about twice as well as with 6500. Additionally if you ever flower with T-5, if you can find some bulbs that are 2700 they will grow your plants about twice as well as the more common 3000K. And if you do find them, please let us know where.

[Opie Yutts]

for the kind words about Fang. You know if I hadnt had a bunch of expectations in the first place I probably would appreciate her more. :wtf:



Darn, aint that the truth. That's one reason I try not to listen to movie critics.

And... Nice, real nice. Everything, really. You should be proud of yourself. Real glad you are now able to work with some AK-47. I almost feel like they're my Godchildren or something.

Thank you for all the things you teach us.

[Opie Yutts]

We have one of the AK 47 clones in hydro that we just turned....she's doing very well in a 5 gal bucket (DWC and drip) and is handling larger numbers great so far (haven't grown this plant in hydro before......)

I've taken the AKs to 1650 near the end of flowering. She's an eater.

[hatch]

WeedHound, HY WHT'S UP????......Congrate' On A Great Grow!!!~~~~That Plant Was A Picture Of Dream's!!!!!!:pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:

[Weedhound]

103 in your area!! More humid than we are too no doubt. You guys having huge fire issues as well??

You're right Opie that if I take the "expectation" out of the equation I wouldn't be crabbing at all. And honestly everyone is pretty cool about it......I"M the crabby one....!!! ;):wtf:

Thanks for the info on blooming ak.....we've got a soil one in there too and they are honestly doing terrific! I've also gotten comments on "what a pretty plant that is" in general with the purple tinge and lovely green leaves. I'd like to take ALL my hyro stuff up to at least 1500ppm and more if we can get away with it so we'll see how it goes this grow. (PS....the strawberry haze burns at anything over 850ppm but the rest of them are SNARFING up the nutes.)

[Weedhound]

Hey Hatch!! WASSUP?? Thanks! :)

Hey Zeb.....new avatar? :D

[Opie Yutts]

103 in your area!! More humid than we are too no doubt. You guys having huge fire issues as well??

Humid as sin, but no fires that I'm aware of. If you like breathing cardboard and sweating oceans, the humidity is just right. I swear I was having trouble breathing in all this water. Thank God for heat pumps.

[SnSstealth]

I hear ya opie...its 82 here and 98 fuckin % humidity.....ICK
WT

[rhizome]

Hey Hound et al,

I'm looking into some T5's... what do you recommend? The 2 ft unit is the only one that fits my area, so I'm considering the New Wave 4 bulb or 8 bulb running cool/6500k Agrosun tubes.

Any comments/advice would be helpful...

MVP :jointsmile:

All things being equal, I'd go for the four bulb. The eight's actually tossing a bit of heat- bulbs don't seem to last as long.
Don't pay extra for the Agrosuns- anybody who's stocking the New Waves will also have the GE Starcoats- work as well or better, and they're cheaper.


I'm in and out, Weedy- but I always check yer log. I try to check for new posts containg the text string " Rhizome" at least every couple days, so if I can be helpful, call out, and I'll find it sooner than later.

Just a little busy ( and a little sun-burnt) this time of year.;)

[Weedhound]

Always glad to see you of course rhizome. :) Yeah it's either floods or fires these days depending on where you are.

[Opie Yutts]

That's because the end is at hand.

You people better get busy on those bomb shelters, and vacuum sealing your stash.

[Mr. Clandestine]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: - on the harvest, Mrs. Hound!

Been away for a little bit... I harvested a few months ago, and have been stuck in a perpetual haze ever since... but it's nice to come back and see others bringing their hard work to fruition! 'Bubblicious' and 'Blue Widow' are next up on my list, and I've finally got a makeshift Rubbermaid tub DWC setup for trials with a good mother of both crosses. If it weren't for you, and several others on these boards, I'd still be terrified of getting my hands wet. So, thanks for the swift kick in the ass and the inspiration it brought me!

And congrats with Fang... may she bring you much mind-numbing happiness! :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Mr C great to see you!! :)

Start a log if you would with your new DWC so we can all come over and stand around offering zero assistance and generally getting in the way and causing havoc which is what we are best at. :D

Cant wait!!

[Mr. Clandestine]

Haha! It'll be my first bout with the wet stuff, so I'm sure opportunities to lend assistance will be plentiful and repetitive. Thanks again, and great work!

[rhizome]

Yeah it's either floods or fires these days depending on where you are.

Nah, where I am it's skeeters and ticks, ticks and skeeters... and a whole lotta mud.

[zebulon]

Hey Zeb.....new avatar? :D

You like it?? stole it from icmag. Sometimes i go over there, to drool.:stoned:, but ppl are so friggin aggressive over there, always arguing about stupid things, or i dunno.....there are some strange folks over there.
Here, people seem to be more relaxed, and Stinky has luckily that endowment to filter out the, kind of trouble-maker, unsocial persons.I respect Her for that, keepin the place clean. I like this place, you Americans see things much different like ppl around here, it's always a refreshment for my mind to read your log, and to hang around in threads.
Anyways, if you like, and have some time, check out my outdoor log (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/153058-zeb-s-guerrilla-campaign-08-a-3.html)....it's not a big thing, but i like to go out to visit the plants, nature is interesting and beautiful....i hope they gonna yield something, i need the medicine....:jointsmile:
Good luck whit your next grow....like i did before, I'll be watching...can't wait to see the next update pix....:hippy:

[SnSstealth]

Nah, where I am it's skeeters and ticks, ticks and skeeters... and a whole lotta mud.

i hear that!!!! fuckin ticks and skeeters taking over...raining for the last 2 weeks!!! me and my bronco love the mud tho......lol
WT

[Weedhound]

skeeter? Dare I ask....?? :confused:

[rhizome]

Skeeter= culex pipiens sp.= mosquitos

Clouds of em.

[SnSstealth]

Skeeter= culex pipiens sp.= mosquitos

Clouds of em.

the fuckers get inside your house too!!! how about trying to sleep getting bitten up....fuckin ick
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Mosquitos!! LOL!! Never heard them called that before. Yeah those little monsters carry around more disease than anything else on the planet! :mad:

[stinkyattic]

Muskee-doos! Evil!
More disease than your average college sophomore, though? I doubt it. :D

[Weedhound]

And that sophmore may get around more as well......:D

[jakezking]

Skeeters are some bad mammajammas 'round these parts too - we have these tiger mosquitoes, and they are some pretty large-bodied bloodsuckers. They are probably fairly diminutive from those found in Alaska though - from what I gather. I think I eat too much garlic and drink too much beer for them to like my blood, but they eat my wife and kids up!

WH, I'm continuing to check in on your thread for a smoke report once Fang has cured up right nicely. I hope all is well with you and yours. Have a Happy 4th!

[MVP]

Hey Hound, ever try bubblebags for your excess sugarleaves and trimmings? I just spent a bundle on an 8-bag system, 5-gallon size. I'm hoping to try them in the next 3-4 weeks or so. I might be convinced to lend them out after I put them thru their paces a few times.....

[Weedhound]

You know MVP I JUST started making hash and right now I'm trying a cold water extraction with coffee filters. So far it's worked great! Do you keep your trim in the freezer before you work with it......and if you do......do you freeze it wet from harvest or do you dry it out first?

[Weedhound]

ha ha....texas sized mosquitos......who INVENTED those little fuckers anyway. :wtf: :mad:

[MVP]

Yeah Hound, in the past I've been freezing them wet right out of harvest most of the time. However I have an old bag of dried trim and sugar leaf that I just threw in the freezer a minute ago so I could try to make some Independence Day hash this afternoon. I'll let you know how it goes, maybe even post up some directions here if ya don't mind the hijack... :D

[Weedhound]

You see now freezing it wet NEVER occurred to me. Instructions would be GREAT MVP.....I'm just now getting into the hash thing and want to try some different ways. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

i freeze it wet too...please post the DIY MVP...if WH dont mind;)
WT

[MVP]

All things being equal, I'd go for the four bulb. The eight's actually tossing a bit of heat- bulbs don't seem to last as long.
Don't pay extra for the Agrosuns- anybody who's stocking the New Waves will also have the GE Starcoats- work as well or better, and they're cheaper.

Thanks 'zome, heat is the enemy in this space so 4-bulb it is... anyone find a source for 5700K bulbs?

[Weedhound]

Zome!! :D I LOVE that!!!

[MVP]

Hey again,

Here's a scan of the instructions from my cold water extraction kit I bought from Bubblebags. I gave it a spin with dried (then frozen) trimmings last night but was not prepared for taking DIY photos.

At any rate 1/3 of a paper bag worth yielded about 2 grams of high quality 73 micron hash. I could have processed the herb again and squeezed another gram out of it but since the plant matrial was so-so quality I just made the one pass and called it a night.

I'll post a detailed DIY thread next time... around the end of next month. :detective1:

MVP

[GreenLeaf420]

What's going on WH!!!:jointsmile:

Hows things been going with the gardening.... Any new projects coming up?

Hey MVP that bubble hash thing would be great... Stink went to that East Coast Nugs and they did a Seminar on it over their.... We should get a CANCOM NUGS AND JUGS GOING!!! We could have everyone pay for their own back round checks... LOL

Looking foward to the Bubble hash 62 days left.....

GL

[Weedhound]

MVP how long would you say it took you from taking the trimmings out of the freezer to the finished product?

[MVP]

Hmmm, it was about 2 hours from when I took the trimmings out of the freezer until I had run all 8 screens and was done pressing hash. Not exactly sure how long it is supposed to take to dry; I leave it alone for a week or so and that seems fine.

In my setup the first and second bag (220 micron and 190 micron) are to filter out the plant matter from the crystals. The next 3 bags - 160, 120, and 90 micron - are considered cooking grade (or commercial grade) concentrate. The final 3 bags - 73, 45, and 25 micron - produce "full melt" hash. In my limited experience, I feel that the 90 micron bag make nice quality too...

:smokin::smokin::smokin:

MVP

[Opie Yutts]

we can all come over and stand around offering zero assistance and generally getting in the way and causing havoc which is what we are best at.

Oh my. Oh dear...

[Opie Yutts]

Skeeter= culex pipiens sp.= mosquitos

Clouds of em.

Lord I hate them suckers. I'll tell you what really helps though: Bat houses and swallow houses. Not to mention the Mosquito Magnet.

[Opie Yutts]

who INVENTED those little fuckers anyway. :wtf: :mad:

uuuuuh, I think that was the supreme being.

[Weedhound]

Oh my. Oh dear...

Now Opie were we or were not there in exactly the same capacity for you??? :D

[aloha]

Bubbleman has a forum where he is quite active and lends a ton of info. fullmeltbubble.com, go to forums. I use the bubblenow xl pro with 8 bag setup, single wash. Collect it, lightly press out excess water, break up into small pieces with razor blade, etc....then let dry out on cardboard. After drying you can jar it up, or press it. You def want to keep the 90micron too....

aloha

[Harrison3o4]

Hey I was wondering if you could send me a list of materials used to make that bad ass system!!!... The thing is it looks like it is sensitive to space and that my friend is what I am all about! and if you are feeling real generous you could attach a "how to" manual for dummies!

[Weedhound]

Hey Harrison how are your plants doing? Better? Worse? Same?

We don't have anything exciting happening in the bloom room right now but it's been awhile so I thought I'd toss in some pics just to update everyone.

Our bloom room is fairly crowded these days but nothing more than 4 weeks into flowering so no cool bud shots. These pics are of my power plant clones in soil......one pretty happy one and one funky-backwards-growing-shrimpy-bonsai-sized-weird one. We have another PP plant that we just took some more clones off of (she's doing GREAT!) and each plant tends to look a bit better, bigger and happier than the last one so I think we are learning something anyway (so far......) Perhaps someday we'll have a NORMAL power plant or two......:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Master Kush on the left.....the Brainstorm is on the right and also in the second photo.

We've REALLY been pushing the nutes on both these two plants......right now they are at 1300 ppm and no sign of nuteburn so far. We've NEVER been able to take nutes this high this early with our plants before so the difference MUST be the net pots and lack of fert build up.

We're holding off saying either one of these will be a top yielder......but we'll ask ourselves that question again in about two weeks. ;)

[hatch]

They Look Great, I've Been Reading, About Some Of You Going Real Aggressive PPm, Just Watch It Closely, I Have Burnt Up My Share Of Nice Plant, Being To Aggessive!!!, Just My 2cent's, But You've Got Them Rocking Right Now, I can See The Glow From Here!!!!HEHE.........Later:D:rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

MUCH THANKS to the stork who brought us this plant. This is just a nice, pretty, happy plant to grow. We haven't even had one finish yet and we've decided we just plain like this strain.

The hydro plant was turned a week earlier than the soil one but they both seem quite happy. The soil plant WAS our mother but she just got too durn big too durn fast so we moved her in here.
The hydro girl is at Day 22 flowering; the soil is at day 15.

[Weedhound]

They Look Great, I've Been Reading, About Some Of You Going Real Aggressive PPm, Just Watch It Closely, I Have Burnt Up My Share Of Nice Plant, Being To Aggessive!!!, Just My 2cent's, But You've Got Them Rocking Right Now, I can See The Glow From Here!!!!HEHE.........Later:D:rastasmoke:

Hatch, thanks for the good review and you could not be more right!! One minute the plants are marching along happily and then BAM they are fried. We are checking and double checking things twice a day and so far the ph has stayed stable (it's often your very first clue in nuteburn) and the ppm numbers have been going DOWN daily which means the plants are SCARFING the nutes down up till now! But yes.....we are watching very carefully! ::thumbsup:

[hatch]

Hatch, thanks for the good review and you could not be more right!! One minute the plants are marching along happily and then BAM they are fried. We are checking and double checking things twice a day and so far the ph has stayed stable (it's often your very first clue in nuteburn) and the ppm numbers have been going DOWN daily which means the plants are SCARFING the nutes down up till now! But yes.....we are watching very carefully! ::thumbsup:


Sound Great, It Is Working!!!,,,Well Best Of Luck My Sister!!!:pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:

[Weedhound]

From a Different Stork...and many thanks. :)

And Stork......this is a LOOOOONNNNNGGGGG flowering plant so I admire your patience with the thai. ;)

This is going to be PRIVATE RESERVE :D:D so we're going for quality as this plant is not known to be a huge yielder. Also a VERY light feeder.....topped out at 800ppm and cries like a baby if you go over it. :wtf:

[Weedhound]

This is one of the plants that we did not raise numbers as fast on as the plants we turned recently. As a result she's another example of a happy and healthy plant.....but NOT kicking out buds like I've seen this strain do before so we'll start raising the number NOW and see what...if anything....it does. :cool:

She's up to 1300ppm and we just now moved her up to 1400.....we'll see if she takes a jump, stays the same, or even burns up. :wtf:

[zebulon]

Hmm...gonna be a happy autumn....so many great strains, must be a lot work to feed all those diff. plants....they look really nice Wh...the PPs and the ASH already looks tasty...:jointsmile:
Any report on the WW?? Big difference between the soil and the hydro one?? And Fang, how is it?? Fruity??

[jakezking]

I'm always just stunned when I take a look at your thread, WH. I really don't know what to say, and I never have anything to add, as I don't know a darn thing about hydro - and, I know only slighty more about soil - which leads me to my question.

Are you looking to adopt a guy in his 30's. I can move in at your convenience. I won't even take up much space in your house - just a cushion on a couch during the day, and I can sleep on it at night. I bark when strangers come around, as I am a bit anti-social.

Just thought I'd ask - it supposedly doesn't hurt. Take good care out there, WH!

[SnSstealth]

lookin GREAT WH!!! cant wait till harvest huh....ASH is lookin gorgeous, as well as the MK...mmmmm,...I love kush!!!
anyway...as usual, nice job!! :greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[MVP]

Hey Hound(s), nice plants. If your Strawberry is anything like the Strawberry Cough, it is DEFINITELY a keeper...

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

I was talking to X-Crispi the other day and we stumbled upon a question to ask a knowledgable soil person.

Is it better to do lower amounts of nutes (say 700ppms) and water with nutes more often (say every other watering) or go with higher amounts (1300ppm) every third or so watering?

What IS an ideal soil nute schedule for blooming in soil?

thanks to anyone/everyone who can offer suggestions....Mr Hound and I are so new to this soil stuff.......:confused:

[Weedhound]

Hi Everyone,

Been having some family visiting so been busy......time to see whats been going on and update everyone.

MVP....what about the Strawberry Cough did you find to be a keeper? What's the background on that.....somebody else really liked that too. Whats the secret?

Jake....what a wonderfully nice thing to say!! I'll take some new pics soon....blooming has really started in there and things are looking pretty good :thumbsup:


Zeb....I can't WAIT to try the PP....heard so much raving about it that I hope it lives up to its name. The ASH is starting to put on a bit of bulk so she's shaping up better than I thought and she's looking good too.

We've been continuing to push the nutes and are definitely seeing a difference so far. The cotton candy will go up to 1600 today and already has some good "bones" on her that have developed since we started accelerating the numbers. Both the Master Kush and Brainstorm are up to 1500....at day 11 in bloom and still taking the numbers down (more slowly though.....) Ak 47 is just starting to bud but is up to 1450 and we will raise that again today as well.

[Weedhound]

So all in all Fang weighed out at 192 finished grams.......not bad but not the "elbow" I had visions of.

Still has that very unique "overly sweet" citrusy smell to her (almost say "reek") and a very good bang! All the good elements....visual, cerebral and fairly heavy hitting without the slack-jawed couchlock that puts me down for the count (but works GREAT for Mr Hound!)

And Stealth and Zeb.....I have to say that we made some cold water hash with some of the WW so I did try it but couldn't tell you anything about the differences between the hydro and soil versions.....my lungs are just too trashed to do much smoking so I pretty much stick to small hits of hash here and there. Everything else is capsules or edibles......;) (It WAS (and is) REAL good hash.....!!!)

[MVP]

Is it better to do lower amounts of nutes (say 700ppms) and water with nutes more often (say every other watering) or go with higher amounts (1300ppm) every third or so watering?

What IS an ideal soil nute schedule for blooming in soil?


Funny you should ask this, I just picked up a big bog 'o FF dirt yesterday and need the same advice... :D


MVP....what about the Strawberry Cough did you find to be a keeper? What's the background on that.....somebody else really liked that too. Whats the secret?

What I like about the Strawberry Cough is that it gives me a substantial "up" high - very heady but no headache - and I have energy to get stuff done while it relieves my back pain at the same time. Its supposed to be 75% sativa and it seems to live up to its billing. :thumbsup:


.....we made some cold water hash with some of the WW.....

Bubblebags! My favorite new toy! I made a small run and got 2 grams of hash from the Strawberry Cough and GDP trimming (no popcorn, just leaf). Very nice full melt hash... I brought the "okay" stuff (90-160 micron) to the poker game and the fellas LOVED it. I bet they will freak out when I bring the 45 micron full melt primo quality stuff... :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

poker too MVP? I see many a smoking game nights in Cali coming....WH, IMHO with the FFoF, every other watering with half strength nutes seems to be the happy medium...If you remember, we have had HELL figuring out the nute sched. that the FFoF like...depends on strain too i guess....I flushed to hell, and gradually increased nutes to get to my happy medium...
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

Is it better to do lower amounts of nutes (say 700ppms) and water with nutes more often (say every other watering) or go with higher amounts (1300ppm) every third or so watering?

What IS an ideal soil nute schedule for blooming in soil?



A fair question, and one that in recent weeks has been much on my mind. I've done both. I'm trying my first real indoor soil grow, basically because I'm either too depressed or too lazy to hook up all my hydro stuff. Previously I have fed my soil plants about every other watering. Now I am trying it with every watering, with a little less nutrients per watering of course. I have not noticed a difference, but I am very pleased with the buds I'm getting on my BBxNL. I can't say for sure, but it looks like they are loving it. On the other hand, my AK-47 in the same conditions seems to be yellowing more than usual. They both have just under 2 weeks to go. I see your AKs, and there is practically no yellowing (congrats). I've always had a problem with yellowing on the AKs, so I chalked it up to the variety, but then I see yours and am puzzled.

Perhaps it would help to confuse them if we were to run away more (Monty Python). Your plants look great as usual.

[Weedhound]

How about some pics opie? And can you give us an idea of the ppms of the nutes you are using....say the ones you did every other watering vs the number you are using for every watering.

"This parrot is dead. This is a dead parrot."

"No its not.....it's sleeping."

[Weedhound]

So we put both these plants on 1500ppm yesterday......today the number is down to 1470......in less than 24 hours. :eek: :wtf:
We'll raise the number again tomorrow as well.

As you can see they pretty much went nuts between the last photos and this one. The only difference these days is more nutes so ............:cool:.......feel free to extrapolate (:jointsmile:) from there. :wtf:

The first photo is the Master Kush.....we've switched the buckets because the Brainstorm seemed to be growing much bigger than the MK.......which isn't too shabby either for 15 days! :thumbsup:

Second photo is the Brainstorm....third is both. T

[SnSstealth]

Looking lovely as usual WH;). Love me some kush...mmm. Opie, I may know of a welcome sanctuary for coconut clacking, wandering AKs.:jointsmile:
And I have had the pleasure of smoking a buddies Strawberry Cough, (wouldn't even SELL me a few beans...grrr) and it was great. Pain relief, great taste, but like the name sake, very lung expanding. For my battered lungs, it was a lil much, rest went to edibles.
Ramble over I guess....ev-ry bo-dy must...get....stoned
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

Opie, I may know of a welcome sanctuary for coconut clacking, wandering AKs.

Hmmm, haven't checked my email lately. I'll try to do it tomorrow.

[Opie Yutts]

How about some pics opie? And can you give us an idea of the ppms of the nutes you are using....say the ones you did every other watering vs the number you are using for every watering.


Iâ??m kinda ashamed, but there was a reason I was vague on the nutrient amounts. For about the last year I have been eyeballing the nutrients on my dirt plants. Basically when I was feeding about every other watering I was shooting for full strength, meaning what my hydro plants were being fed. For the AKs this was maybe 1400 in veg and 1650 in the latter part of flowering. Iâ??ve been using Supernatural food and perhaps some Liquid Karma, but in bloom their budding food is mixed about half with Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz and Cha Ching, depending on how far along they are. For Supernatural, 1.5 teaspoons per 4 liters will make about 1000 PPM. To make it worse, I donâ??t think that was quite enough, since Iâ??ve been more than halving the amount for twice as many feedings as would seem logical.

I havenâ??t noticed a difference really, now that Iâ??m feeding with each watering. This is the first soil grow where Iâ??ve flowered either variety in my real flowering section, under good light. The experiment has mostly been in my mother/youngster area, which of course has always been in the veg stage. The only thing I have to compare to for flowering is hydro plants, which has been very similar, except for the additional yellowing on the AK, which could be for any number of other reasons. For example, I havenâ??t foliar fed once this grow. So basically what Iâ??m saying is all this info Iâ??ve provided is just a waste of time, and Iâ??m sorry. Or not, maybe somebody can get something out of it.

Photos 1 & 2: On the left and right are BBxNL. In the middle is an AK-47
Photo 3: Left side
Photo 4: Right side

[Opie Yutts]

Ah crap, I gotta go do dishes and take out cat litter now.

Some buds:

[Opie Yutts]

Experiment:

30 identical dirt plants in identical conditions. 10 fed each watering, 10 fed every other watering, 10 fed every 3rd watering.

Questions:
- Which set does better with overall identical amounts of food?
- Can any set handle more food than the others, and if so does it increase growth or yield?

I need a grant please, for this and many more experiments.

[Shovelhandle]

Oh my! :o

[Opie Yutts]

30 identical dirt plants in identical conditions. 10 fed each watering, 10 fed every other watering, 10 fed every 3rd watering.

and 10 in Miracle Grow prefertilized soil, and 10 in soil and Osmacote.

[Shovelhandle]

Big grow area, huh?

[Opie Yutts]

We all got our dreams.

[Weedhound]

Experiment:

30 identical dirt plants in identical conditions. 10 fed each watering, 10 fed every other watering, 10 fed every 3rd watering.

Questions:
- Which set does better with overall identical amounts of food?
- Can any set handle more food than the others, and if so does it increase growth or yield?

I need a grant please, for this and many more experiments.

These are EXACTLY the kind of things I want to know!! Will somebody just please send Opie a bunch of money so he can get started!!

Of course we also accept donations of finished plants if supplied with vague instructions on how they were fed or even NOT supplied......or finished either!! :D :stoned:

[rhizome]

All of these experiments have been done by the floriculture industry.

Have a look @ the Umich Ag extension archives- Also Umass, Texas A&M, U Georgia, U Florida.

Putting flower weight on an annual is pretty much putting flower weight on an annual, whatever it may be. Pref nute ratios will vary a little bit ( think commercial floriculture, because fruit formation is a whole differant story), but moisture/media/air ratios over EC are pretty basic. Ain't that differant from the cut flower trade at all.

That being said, it's about all done drip to waste at an EC varied to normalize h20/ion uptake ratios- many small feedings at highest strength possible to maintain proper EC on the waste side of the media, with at least 10% overwatering. Feed nute EC is adjusted ( often realtime) to provide consistant nute uptake regardless of plant transpiration volume, at a rate determined by available light.

In other words, nutrient ion total weight being sucked up the stalk is the same weight for every photon ( in the appropriate spectra) utilized, regardless of the total amount of water transpired.

Lots of small volume applications, EC variable.

Wow- sorry about the tangent- Space Queen makes me, well, spacy...

Oh, and you could probabley get the grant to do the work in a differant annual- Big market for polyhouse shiso in some regions, but it's feed twitchy.

[Opie Yutts]

OK.

I'll read that again when I'm sober. I think I need some Space Queen.

[Opie Yutts]

Asian Vegetables


1821 - Perilla Red / Shiso
(Perilla crispa).

Leaves and flower stalks eaten raw, or with
tempura, exhibiting a deep red/purple colour of
pleasing aroma. Sow late spring.


Pkt: 400 seeds: $3.50 10g: $7.30.

[Rock.Steady]

From a Different Stork...and many thanks. :)

And Stork......this is a LOOOOONNNNNGGGGG flowering plant so I admire your patience with the thai. ;)

This is going to be PRIVATE RESERVE :D:D so we're going for quality as this plant is not known to be a huge yielder. Also a VERY light feeder.....topped out at 800ppm and cries like a baby if you go over it. :wtf:

ahh, i was wondering about your strawberry recently.:)
i will agree, fussy, and long flowering.
i have one in week 12 and 1 in week 15, believe it or not.

but, also had a load of issues.
LL reaction, bleached leaves
heat with change of season
over-nuted

completely flushed the soil about 4 wks ago and started adding gradually. they came outta the coma and started reflowering.
really weird. all a sudden the one got really tall, so i had to reinvent the portascrog real quick and got her under control, kinda.

hope ya dont mind me flashin a few pix.;)

[Rock.Steady]

i cant even make a legitimate comment on that post from Rhiz, just mind boggling.
i'll rip 2 or 3 more and read it again before bed:cool:

[Weedhound]

Got some big, tall ones there Rock!! This ASH of ours is an EXTREMELY light feeder so I'm not surprised if you went over with it.....these and other similar experiments are what we are all about these days so all input welcome! :thumbsup:

Anybody who understood what Rhizome said please raise your hand. I personally got about 1/3 but I've learned that if I go off and study stuff (which I will since he suggested somewhere to look) and then come back within a month or two it usually becomes quite clear. :D ;)

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey WH Threads going good!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:


All of these experiments have been done by the floriculture industry.

Have a look @ the Umich Ag extension archives- Also Umass, Texas A&M, U Georgia, U Florida.

Putting flower weight on an annual is pretty much putting flower weight on an annual, whatever it may be. Pref nute ratios will vary a little bit ( think commercial floriculture, because fruit formation is a whole differant story), but moisture/media/air ratios over EC are pretty basic. Ain't that differant from the cut flower trade at all.

That being said, it's about all done drip to waste at an EC varied to normalize h20/ion uptake ratios- many small feedings at highest strength possible to maintain proper EC on the waste side of the media, with at least 10% overwatering. Feed nute EC is adjusted ( often realtime) to provide consistant nute uptake regardless of plant transpiration volume, at a rate determined by available light.

In other words, nutrient ion total weight being sucked up the stalk is the same weight for every photon ( in the appropriate spectra) utilized, regardless of the total amount of water transpired.

Lots of small volume applications, EC variable.

Wow- sorry about the tangent- Space Queen makes me, well, spacy...

Oh, and you could probabley get the grant to do the work in a differant annual- Big market for polyhouse shiso in some regions, but it's feed twitchy.

WOW you are always playing the Conspiracy Theory Guy.... Why is that? Earb is a annual but what are you going to weight out w/ studies on other annualls? What similarities are there between begonias, impatiens, snapdragons,calendula, cornflower, foxglove, larkspur, pansy, sweet alyssum, stocks, viola and many many others to Marijunana.... Were they wet annuals or dried out during testing @ TA&M and others you stated...? The feed schedule will have many diffrent variables on the flowers that can not be compaired to by what ever studies there may be out there.. The only annual studies that will show Marijuana tendencys IMO would be Marijuana becuase of the way it is cured out and smoked.....

Keep That IDEA going Opie:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey Hound et al,

I'm looking into some T5's... what do you recommend? The 2 ft unit is the only one that fits my area, so I'm considering the New Wave 4 bulb or 8 bulb running cool/6500k Agrosun tubes.

Any comments/advice would be helpful...

MVP :jointsmile:


I have that light it is Amazing!!!! I can not believe how close the nodes grow together in Veg absolutely Amazing!!! Worth every penny... I can keep 30+ clones or 15 small to med plants...

[rhizome]

[B] The only annual studies that will show Marijuana tendencys IMO would be Marijuana becuase of the way it is cured out and smoked.....



Umm...

Let's posit that dry weight is a percentage of wet weight. Can we agree on that?

Basic algebra will show that an increase in wet weight will therefore increase dry weight.

Nothing special about cannabis as a cultivar- it's just another annual.

[Weedhound]

So Rhizome you are saying that mj bud is more like a "flowering" plant then a plant "bearing fruit?" Interesting.........HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :cool:

With that in mind......do both kinds of plants use carbs (like Sweet or something) approximately the same rate? In other words.....would you give your apple tree the same amount of Sweet to bloom with as your prize roses?

[GreenLeaf420]

Wow!!!!

OK prove your theory... How are all annuals alike when it comes to Dried out Dank Weed?

When you read your studies from Colleges is Cannabis mentioned... Just wondering if they took it into consideration during their study.. Do all annuals react and accept the same feeding schedule? I can answer that NO you see it in different strains the ability to eat and not eat. There are so many variables to many to list but you really have your heart set on the Schools have already done the work...

SO prove It!!!

Considering maybe the studies can be correct and the same can occur w/ cannabis. I would still rather see the studies performed w/ the actual plants to see the true Effects... Then to compare a plant in the same species it is to vague of a Conclusion...

Cat's and Lions are in the same family as your home pets... There are some similarities between the two but if they want to know about African Lions do they do a study on house held Cats?

There maybe similarities but until you study that of choice there are to many variables to come up w/ a complete and accurate Conclusion... To what ever hypothesis you may have.

[rhizome]

Buddy, I'm not going to get into this here- cause I don't want mess up Weedy's house.

But I'll tell you what- we can have a debate thread, in which I will present my arguments that

a.) Cannabis is an annual flowering plant, and has many more characteristics common to the class than characteristics uncommon.

b.) Decades of research involving million dollar budgets has been done across a wide range of annual flowering plants, which have more characteristics common to the class than characteristics uncommon.

c.) There is no need to re-invent the wheel. Wheels come in many differant flavors, but they continue have more characteristics common to the class than characteristics uncommon.

I look forward to your argument that cannabis has no metabolic similarities to other annual flowering plants.

Right after I finish admiring the oil glands on the surface of this lavender. Lovely, really...

[Rock.Steady]

GL, dude u r way to hung up on having a Cannabis trial in published reports. Forget it, not happenin, so, stop being silly.
facts are as pointed out. this is an annual. these are not fruits we're harvestin, its flowers.
flowers also get harvested, dried and sold for a pretty penny as professional dried flower arrangements.
i believe you can see how the theory now may coincide with the wondrous nobel herb.
just as some exotic hybrid oriental flowers would be intentionally grown only to harvest and dry, with the most desirable of outcomes planned for.
Conversely, you can apply those same priciples of horticulture to that of the nobel herb. Why you will ask? simple. We too are attempting to growth the healthiest, fattest, most structurally dense-yet airy, flowers, SO WE CAN DRY THEM, then enjoy as such.

Rhizome, not that he needs defending, has always provided, top shelf, college Master/Professor level info, in the world of horticulture and more specifically, this particular plant we are all a fan of.
Don't be so outwardly challenging, we dont have anything to prove here, we're here to help one another. now blaze up, sit back, n relax dude.

[rhizome]

Actually loads of em- referred to as hemp. Flower weight, alas, is not measured- just seed weight. In an open pollination scenario, there's gonna be an essentially fixed ratio of seed to flower weight, but no perfect mirror. Ya gotta think about it a little.


Also a food and fiber crop- loads of data, but getting it as tall as possible and then ripping and threshing before the flowers too sticky to mechanically process is maybe not our goal. :wtf:

[GreenLeaf420]

Experiment:

30 identical dirt plants in identical conditions. 10 fed each watering, 10 fed every other watering, 10 fed every 3rd watering.

Questions:
- Which set does better with overall identical amounts of food?
- Can any set handle more food than the others, and if so does it increase growth or yield?

I need a grant please, for this and many more experiments.

Corn Lettuce and Watermelon just to name a few are all annuals and they are a fruit or Veg not a flower!!

Rock I'm not questioning rhizome Rep on the site... I just would like to see were all annuals carry the same traits. I would rather see such independent study as Opie's rather then reading someone's thesis... That's all..

[SnSstealth]

One good ole adage I like to remember is "Choose your battles wisely"......:joint1:
whiskeytango

[MVP]

Albeit an interesting <possible> topic, I see no need to pollute the Hound's thread or CannCom with such a debate. :wtf3:

We all respect differing opinions but really Rock hit it on the head when he said this is silly. Not bashing anyone, just providing my opinion.
Now pass this GDP fatty to the right... :joint1:

[Weedhound]

Well I'm "soil newbie" enough to make use of the generalized info about annuals and I can see the correlation in regards to the cut-flower trade.....you want to grow the biggest and best in the shortest time possible etc and certain principles will remain the same as far as things go (ie: dogs eat dog food vs cat food) and then tweak things individually for each strain and conditions.

But since GL mentioned it......ummm yeah, if someones knows the ideal nutes schedule for blooming ganja in soil please feel FREE to POST IT AS WELL!!

:D
:D

[SnSstealth]

...mosies into rotation on that GDP J.....
wouldn't the "IDEAL" nute levels differ by strain? I already can see there is a HUGE amount of difference between the nute "hunger" of the Church compared to the Blue Russian... (which is doing GREAT by the way:greenthumb:)
I guess you can only get as far as "BR like full dosage FF nutes while in FFoF soil, no perlite added.." whereas the "Church like half dose FF nutes every other watering, in FFoF soil"
just MHO...although this seems like a kinda weird topic to take up so much space, MHO again....
I took horticulture in high school, and If I had never grown herb before, and you told me its an annual, I would have the magic light bulb over my head, and probably be able to grow out a crop without grabbing the grow bible. MJ is an Annual Flower...simple. Step "outside the box" and its pretty easy. I forget to do this myself quite often....
I have no idea what my point is....thats some great GDP MVP:rastasmoke:
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

WH Great Thread:thumbsup: Apologize for using up space on OT.

That GDP hit me nice I just blazed Up.:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

Hey SNS I also noticed that Church is very temperamental to Nutes... You have to play it close to the cuff w/ that strain. I have gone to 1200 but had to come down to 950. I will be trying to bringing it back up today.

Well good Talk http://boards.cannabis.com/../customavatars/avatar61305_1.gif (http://boards.cannabis.com/members/rhizome.html) rhizome I would like to pop into the thread on the annuals. (http://boards.cannabis.com/members/rhizome.html)

GL1

[Weedhound]

Every one likes that GDP! I remember I bought some from someone awhile back (before I started growing) and it made me fairly slack-jawed. I remember being impressed by the size of the bud too. ;)

[MVP]

GDP is a Top 5 for me at the moment. I am trying to revive some cuts and keep the strain alive in my room. A couple of oversights may have her going extinct (temporarily, she is clone only stock) if I cannot nurse her cuts back to life...

[Weedhound]

So Mr and Hound and I went to the hydro store today and discussed fertilizing soil plants.

He felt that keeping ppms at about 800 for blooming plants was a good number and that going with lower fert numbers more often was his preferred way of growing AND he mentioned that at the lower numbers you could water try watering with ferts EVERY watering......keeping an eye out for overnute and ph issues etc....

So that's the plan at this point......;)

[GreenLeaf420]

That is nice to here I feel rather then blowing them out lower is better also less headaches for a little less weight... What is his opinion later in bloom any boost or just every watering @9oo

[xcrispi]

Good stuff Sis.
A lil more feedback on our feeding questions . :thumbsup:
I like Opie's idea best though , controlled experiments . :thumbsup:

Been taste testing the new goodies a lil.
White Widow and White Rhino are quite similar .

I think the W/W is a heavier stone like you said though .

I like the sweeter flavor of the W/R .

Dutch Dragon is delicious too - heavy stone but not real couchlok , and good body buzz . I'm gettin 10 more .

Whiteberry - Turpentine stench . You wern't lying . Good buzz but not what I'm after .

Power Plant - clearheaded high , almost no body buzz at all , not real impressed esp. after all the positive I've read on the strain :(

Menage a Trois - havent sampled much yet .

The bagseed Indica seeds my friend brought back from New Orleans of all places is mind boggling . A skunk humpin a pine tree , just reeks . Couldn't carry a thought in a bucket , and killer body buzz . Fuckin figures - no idea at all wtf the stuff really is .
We're gonna make more seeds this next grow to preserve it and keep a mom for cuttings . I see huge hydro trees of this stuff in the future maybe ?

None of the stuffs cured yet , Some strains I only had 1 plant of - good pheno / bad pheno ?? , My tolerence is fucking huge so my findings / smoke report / high morning ramblings might not mean a whole lot ?

Lotsa lotsa goodies comin your way soon too .

Holler later Sis.
Crispi :stoned:

[SnSstealth]

ah....I love a morning wake and bake bio-assay crispi....I can't WAIT to taste my variety o flavors.....did either of you find the SNLxNH to be finicky? It seems to be the one strain that didn't get over that yellowing issue all the way...getting quite annoyed, lol. sorry for the jack WH, but this is un-nerving...the kush trio looks great though:thumbsup:
tate fang yet?
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

That is nice to here I feel rather then blowing them out lower is better also less headaches for a little less weight... What is his opinion later in bloom any boost or just every watering @9oo

I asked him about this specifically......whether to increase ppms in solution later in flowering and he said that he keeps his at about that number all the way through.

There is some sort of "dosing" thing or machine you can buy for fertilizing your soil plants. They mentioned to me that this "doser" only goes up to 800ppm.

I was also told that using higher ppm numbers (1500 every third watering etc....) is perfectly acceptable......dosing a high number once and then diluting it down with regular waterings for a few waterings would work fine.....he just felt that the other way seemed to work better to him and was less hard on the plant. I really don't think he felt yield would be affected with less ppms done in more waterings......but DID seem to think it was less stressful for the plants generally which I like.

One last tidbit.....they said that perhaps reg water every fourth watering or so should help keep overfert at bay.......but to watch carefully for overnuting at any rate. (And of course ph everything that goes into the pot. ;))

[Weedhound]

ah....I love a morning wake and bake bio-assay crispi....I can't WAIT to taste my variety o flavors.....did either of you find the SNLxNH to be finicky? It seems to be the one strain that didn't get over that yellowing issue all the way...getting quite annoyed, lol. sorry for the jack WH, but this is un-nerving...the kush trio looks great though:thumbsup:
tate fang yet?
whiskeytango

Stealth where are these plants at as far as how old, what size pot. etc.....??

[Weedhound]

Crispi......you like the Knockout ones!! Theyre just too slack-jawing for me. :stoned:

That whiteberry DOES smell like turpentine STRONG!! :eek:

A skunk humping a pine tree.......a visual treat as WELL AS a scent fest!! :D :D

[GreenLeaf420]

WH What Type of Fert are you using is it GH 3 Part by any chance?

If so what type of mix are you following to get to the 900PPm's?

Thanks :thumbsup:GL1

[Weedhound]

GL I'm using the Botanicare nutes.......and taking the ferts from my old hydro solution and changing the ph.....if you want the recipe I can detail it here but I'm basically using the 800ppm nutes from the Strawberry Haze plant and watering them with that at corrected ph.

[MVP]

Are there any drawbacks from recycling your hydro nutes to the soil plants? I hope I understand what is going on here...

[Weedhound]

No I asked that specifically as well MVP.....but do keep in mind that we use two products for root health.....Rhizotonic and Cannazym. That's why I feel pretty comfortable that we're not going to be putting anything bad (read: GERMS!! :eek:)
into the soil when we use the hydro nutes and my hydro guy agreed. ;)

[Weedhound]

And just as an add on I also asked whether it was better to use RO water and CalMAg when nuting soil plants or regular water and grow and/or bloom nutes.

The consensus was that RO water and CalMAg was probably a bit better......more controlled anyway......but reg tap water is fine for watering "just water" and for flushing etc......ph correct of course.

[Weedhound]

Well Mr Hound and I are seeing some differences since pumping up the nute schedule (carefully!!)

Pic one: Brainstorm, Master Kush taken 7/13/08 ppms 1300 (day 6 bloom)

Two: Same plants, taken 7/20/08 pppms 1480

Three: Same again taken today...7/23/08 ppms 1600 (day 18 bloom)

(and may I add that that is where they have topped out......FOR NOW....bwahhahahahahha :eek:.....but I expect to be able to raise the number again when they are further along depending on how they do)

Pic Four: Cotton candy taken on 7/13/08 ppms 1300 (day 28 bloom)

Pic 5: CC taken today, 7/23/08. ppms 1590 (day 38 bloom)

[SunnyD]

That Cotton Candy is LOVING IT

[GreenLeaf420]

Wow looking Good Girl:thumbsup:

WH W/ all those they are in Hydro in the PICS?

The Strawberry is in Soil? So w/ the Botanicare if you don't mind what will be your nute schedule for the Soils?

Feeding W/ Botanicare Can not be Much Different then GH 3 part... Just curious to see the Break Down...

I'm having major issues w/ the CHURCH and NUTES.. Evertime I hit them w/ more then 900 I get a burn It is driving me Nuts on the NUTES.. LOL :jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

Thanks GL1

[Weedhound]

Actually Gl the ASH is also in hydro......but is so sativa dominant that 850 is about the top of the line for her....she's at day 48 (I think.....)bloom in this pic.

For the ASH we're feeding:
RO water:

Rhizotonic 5ml/gallon
Cannazym 5ml/gallon
CalMag 250 pppm
Hydroplex 200 ppm
Pro Bloom 200 ppm
Liquid Karma: 2ml/gallon
Sweet: 5 ml gallon

which comes up somewhere between 800-850 ppms. We like to do a fair amount of res change outs so it seems we always have extra of this gal's old nutes around...... then we will just adjust ph to 6.5-6.7 range to water the soil girls with.

[SunnyD]

I'm sort of licking my chops here, First pic is Gorgeous!

And I forgot what else I was gonna say...I forgetz...

[stinkyattic]

Are there any drawbacks from recycling your hydro nutes to the soil plants? I hope I understand what is going on here...
I would approach this very cautiously. When the hydro nutes are 'used' (=requiring a res change or drain), the stuff the plants have been needing most is gone out of them, or greatly diminished, and the relative concentration of undesirable components is higher. Furthermore, the pH is not going to be correct for your soil plants.
I'd dump them on the compost heap to add to the overall richness of the gunk you can let rot and use on the veggie patch next year.

[Weedhound]

That may be a good point. I do change outs every two or three days so im pretty sure there's enough left of the "good stuff" to do the job for my soil plants BUT....if I let my plants sit in the same solution for a week or so I probably would NOT use as a fert for soil stuff for the very reason Stinky named......ratios WILL be off.

I also feel confident about pouring used nutes in my soil because I use several "root products" that keep bad germs and juju at bay. ;)

[Shovelhandle]

Re-cyclables go in the compost. From there you can use it for veggies, flowers or a soil grow.

[Weedhound]

But my hydro man told me to........:(..........

HE SAID IT HE SAID I COULD! :D

[stinkyattic]

I also feel confident about pouring used nutes in my soil because I use several "root products" that keep bad germs and juju at bay. Not gonna do a thing for ya if the juju is in the form of chemical salts. Matter can be neither created nor destroyed, only transformed... chemicals you've got in there will stay in there unless you flush them out... bacteria can change the form of chemicals in some cases, but not remove the elemental substances from teh soil. That's the problem. Unused micronutes-metals especially- are the fast track to soured soil and really fucking WEIRD looking toxicity symptoms. Just don't do it.
Your hydro guy seems to be hydro-oriented... take it from a drrty girl; use fresh nute solution on your soil ladies.

[Weedhound]

Well wah.......:(

At least I can make a bunch and water everyone at once.

One question I forgot to ask my hydro guy specifically (but questioned him generally awhile back) about using products like Cannazym and Rhizotonic and he told me that you basically use them the same way.....add them to your water when you water.

Stinky would you NOT use these product this way? Would you use them differently in soil? I need to go study the package........

[RockyRaccon]

Damn hound, your plants are looking premo...
i have a question for people who know alot of diffrent weeds by name
See i got this weed a while back, and damn it was the best high EVER (for what i want) it was this beautiful clear high that just let me explore my mind and i didnt burn from it just faded.
Anyone know what it might be ?
I have 2 seeds that i somehow managed to have in one bag, plan on planting them
i self dubbed it the scholar weed, and if i ever grow it thats what ill call it.

oh and how long can seeds stay for ? technichally forever right, because they are not being germed?

sorry for questions that are sort of off topic and thanks for any help

[Weedhound]

Aka the New Improved Fang and company. :D The span of one weeks' growth at the higher nutes. I think we're seeing a difference both Fang 2 AND the Master Kush.....anyone else think so too?

[Weedhound]

This girl has been a pretty interesting plant and is a great example of "limping' a plant through to (hopefully!!) finish.

She's DEFINITELY very picky......no nutes over 850 ppm and her roots are having issues but she's still plugging along and building bulk. According to Greenhouse this is a 10-11 week finisher and she appears to us to juuuust be starting to get a brown pistil here and there so two more weeks may be just about right.

This plant has a very rich strawberry smell....delicious really and a plant (kind of like catpiss) that really does smell like it's supposed to.
We can't WAIT to actually try her.

[hydrocannabis]

I am in for this ride. there gunna be a nice big harvest so great job on that.
so how many weeks flower R they.

well keep up the great work hounddog.:thumbsup::D


:stoned:

[SnSstealth]

ASH is lookin GORGEOUS...unless my early eyes lie, I only get one chick outta the BRs...but its okie doke...Ima breed the BR into the Blueberry-est lookin SB...mmmm
anyway...as usual, your ladies look amazing WH:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Yes she looks a lot bigger than she is. Her buds are quite fluffy and not dense at all...not a lot of weight when finished but should be a terrific high.

Interestingly Greenhouse recommends growing that particular plant in soil over hydro and promise that the taste and smell are much MUCH better when grown in soil than hydro so we may have to try that soon. I also read that unchecked that particular strain can grow to 10 feet tall. :eek:

[Weedhound]

Damn hound, your plants are looking premo...
i have a question for people who know alot of diffrent weeds by name
See i got this weed a while back, and damn it was the best high EVER (for what i want) it was this beautiful clear high that just let me explore my mind and i didnt burn from it just faded.
Anyone know what it might be ?
I have 2 seeds that i somehow managed to have in one bag, plan on planting them
i self dubbed it the scholar weed, and if i ever grow it thats what ill call it.

oh and how long can seeds stay for ? technichally forever right, because they are not being germed?

sorry for questions that are sort of off topic and thanks for any help

Hey Rocky thanks for stopping by the log. :)

The plant you're describing kind sounds like the power plant.....which we have not tried yet (we have a few in bloom but they won't be finished for a few more weeks.

Any power plant users think it sounds familiar? Let me see if I can get a photo of them in bloom.

[Opie Yutts]

Interestingly Greenhouse recommends growing that particular plant in soil over hydro and promise that the taste and smell are much MUCH better when grown in soil than hydro so we may have to try that soon.

I find it hard to believe, since it's easier to flush properly in hydro. I guess you can let us know how that works out, maybe. I find it especially hard to believe after my first real soil harvest compared to my hydro harvests, but I suppose it's not inconceivable that one variety might produce better results in soil. Just unlikely IMO.

mmmm, strawberry haze, sounds delicious.

[Weedhound]

Well I think you'd have to define "better" really.....improved taste and smell don't necessarily equate with larger yield and it would be up to the grower to decide which they wanted more perhaps.

I WILL say that taste aside...the smell is heavenly! :thumbsup:

[MVP]

This girl has been a pretty interesting plant and is a great example of "limping' a plant through to (hopefully!!) finish.

She's DEFINITELY very picky......no nutes over 850 ppm and her roots are having issues but she's still plugging along and building bulk. According to Greenhouse this is a 10-11 week finisher and she appears to us to juuuust be starting to get a brown pistil here and there so two more weeks may be just about right.

This plant has a very rich strawberry smell....delicious really and a plant (kind of like catpiss) that really does smell like it's supposed to.
We can't WAIT to actually try her.

Welcome to growing Sativas, they take forever to mature, are fussy eaters, and they cause growers to worry... but it is WORTH IT! :D

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey Wh:thumbsup:

You are really putting the time in.. You have lots of strains and experiments going on over their..:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Everything is looking really Good:cool:..

What strain is that they say Soil is better then the HYDRO?

Hey have you (or anyone) ever tried Over Drive? I just ordered some last night should be here late next week... My local Hydro Shop does not sell AN!! I don't Know why....

10-11 Weeks Feels like an eternity... When it comes to the weed as long as I have smoke and the girls are protected time does not bother me!!! Seems like she will be worth the time you have into her!!!

Good Luck GL1

[stinkyattic]

GL, if I were you I WOULD NOT add any bloom blasters to your garden right now, since your plants are already having some problems, and I don't think you have a safe volume of medium- just my hunch, and I have nothing but instinct to back it up.

[GreenLeaf420]

I hear you Stink..

But really what do I have to Loose by trying a final boost in the End? The TEA helped out a lot w the soil I ordered more for all feeding .. I think it is the CO2 screwing with the front beds but I can not put a finger on it. The unit is spark ignition and is up Mnt to the ceiling.. I added another fan by the CO2 like you suggested Stink and I made the CO2 so it only runs 11 Hrs see if it makes any changes. Trying some weird shit Now!!! As far as feeding they are now doing OK hit them as high as 1400 w/o any issues 2 days w/ a flush in between. Just taken it SLOW I hit the front beds with another Foilmicro Spray Yesterday...

Sorry for rambling WH

Ill be posting up some shots tomorrow it is crazy how the front beds are YELLOW and the rears are GREEN LEAFS!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[allrollsin21]

wow Fang2 looks threatening. I'm a little shaky in the knees...WH you REALLY make me want to start experimenting.:thumbsup:

[d4twamp]

hey Mrs. Hound

fang the 2nd and the gang r lookin good... I'd love to get a wiff of that ASH did you say it had the aroma of strawbarry cat piss...mmmmmmmm...lol... wish the ganja fairies would bring me some good genetics...

later D:S5:

[Weedhound]

Hey allrolls and d4.....thanks for stopping by and checking the babes out. Actually d4 she just smells like strawberry.....and more like strawberry "candy" than real fruit but you can't mistake it for anything other than that.

I grew the strain catpiss twice......and those plants REEKED like you wouldn't believe!! I was just making the comparison between the two strains both actually smelling exactly like their name implies.

[jakezking]

WH, I'm all about some strong smelling plants, but catpiss? Dang. I just don't think I could handle any plant that smelled like catpiss - that has to be 1 of the absolute worst smells in the world. If the high was worth it though, I don't think I would complain too much.

I am always impressed by your plants! I can't look at my own plants the same way when I leave your post though - probably why I don't come around all that often - j/k of course. I can't wait to see the final weight on Fang2, and I hope you get that LB you've been gunning for!

I hope all's well with you and yours. Take good care out there, lady!

[Rock.Steady]

wow hound, that haze looks great.
im waiting for mine to bulk up, i think im in week 15 or something totally stupid. thought about rippin em out 10 xz but then she gets more and more pistils, its taxin me patience

ironically, i think youll be trying this out before i am,LOL

if the majority of the flowers do bulk up tho.

ill be buried in the stuff

it will definately grow if you let it, it went crazy on the lil screen i put over it.
almost like tryin to hold it back, made it grow more aggressively, weird.:stoned:


and whats with the cool new tweeks to the board?
kinda cool:cool:

[Weedhound]

Hey good to see you Rock!! Glad your girls are going along well!! I seriously don't think it will be more than 11...and probably close to ten because she seems to be turning kind of fast now and more pistils are browning. Really a WONDERFUL smelling plant.