Probation Thread Anywhere????

[KNOTME66]

I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY know that those on probation should NOT risk toking but I also know that for the most part it is almost like asking the impossible for some (like me). I periodically see others sharing about using in small amounts during probation periods. I personally would like to see a sticky thread where all those on probation or have been on probation can have an easier spot to find in order to share experiences, strength and hope. Of course, the first line of the sticky should be somthing like, "don't do as I do" OR "DON'T SMOKE UNTIL YOUR PROBATION IS OVER" because I wouldn't want someone to blame me if they fail a test because they did something I did. BUT....It kinda gets confusing in the search features of who is or was on probation versus those testing for jobs and such. Is there any way to develope a thread for those of us to gather (like the results thread has)? I would like to see if this is also something only I am interested in or if there are others here that would like to see something to the effect.

[Youreface]

It really doesn't matter. All of the advice is the same the consequences are the only things that differ.

Using the substitution method is easier for a job because a lot of them are not monitored. For probation it is and it is harder to do and you can get in a lot of trouble for getting caught.

If you use the dilution method and do it correctly you won't be in any trouble for a job or for probation.

If you mess up the dilution method you will potentially get retested for your job. If you mess up the dilution method on probation you violate and get in a lot of trouble.

The end.

[monkeywrench]

I wouldn't risk subbing. Unless it's some half-ass probation where they don't observe you. I did them for a year, and my PO's requirement was he had to see the stream. I suppose I could have pulled it off with a wizzinator, but if you get caught they will definatley violate your probation, and that's up to 2.5 years in jail here.

Some people only have to drop when they go for their probation check-ins. If that's the case you might get away with a few days of smoking right after you drop.

[killerweed420]

The best way for part time tokers or people on parole to want to smoke is to pickup a bunch of THC strips off ebay. You can get the for about a $1.30 each. Then you can experiment on yourself to see how long it takes you to get clean. Then you'll know how much you can toke to pass your UA's. Thats how I use to do it.

[FakeBoobsRule]

to share experiences, strength and hope.

Someone's been to a 12 step meeting before. So you should know that if you are on probation and you continue to smoke despite the possibility of jail or prison, then you might have some dependency issues. I don't really like putting all the stories in one place because that is just going to encourage this ill advised behavior because it sounds like you are looking for someone to co-sign your bullshit. What I mean by the co-signing your bullshit is that deep down you know it's a bad idea but you want enough people to say it's a good idea or it's ok and then you can justify doing it, or co-signing your bullshit. If you face randoms the best way to beat them is through substitution and that isn't possible while on probation because they can watch and if you're caught, case closed. To me it would be easier to go 6 months or even a year without doing any pot rather than to try to sneak some here and there because once you pick up it is a lot harder to put it down. I think a thread like this does not support responsible marijuana usage.

[Youreface]

I'd have to agree with FBR on this one, in my first post I was really trying to spell out for you how bad of an idea it is to be doing that on probation with all of the consequences etc.

Trust me on this. When I was considering what you were doing during the early part of my probation, I would smoke early on in the month and then be scared the whole rest of the month because of it, and it was harder and harder each time for me to stop. I wanted to always give myself 22+ days but every single time I would keep caving day after day and some of the time I would go in only being clean for 15 days.

If you just stop now it will only become easier to stay clean. And it is a wonderful feeling to go into your PO meeting without a care in the world.

Trust me it will be worth it and you will enjoy the high so much more after abstaining for that long. It'll be great and feel like the first time again

[Mr.NiceGuy11]

I am currently on probation for 12 months for having one blunt on me on a college campus. Its been about 4 months now, and i have drug tests every 3 weeks or 21 days which ever you prefer. I feel and by the way this is how i feel and am in know way saying you should do what i do, that i can smoke and still be at ease. I take precautions by working out, eating right and taking muti-vitamins. also i usually give myself 2 weeks to get clean. But i can smoke everyday for the week after my test and still get clean. I have home drug tests so i dont really feel like I'm taking that big of a chance. I try not to leave anything to chance, if i fail i go to jail simple as that. I'm a first timer but this judge is straight from Satan's belly. Also even though I am passing my home tests before the real test I still follow the dilution sticky. Some people would say why go through all that just to smoke. I say, all what? It makes me workout and eat better and take better care of my body. I Also dont like the government being able to control my life and my body to the point where i CANT do something. Its a personnel choice.

Again I am not saying you should do it, this is just my personnel experience while being on probation. Last time i smoked was 7 days ago and i'm already getting a faint line which is a negative, and i still have 4 days to go. I love my metabolism.

[KNOTME66]

Someone's been to a 12 step meeting before. So you should know that if you are on probation and you continue to smoke despite the possibility of jail or prison, then you might have some dependency issues. I don't really like putting all the stories in one place because that is just going to encourage this ill advised behavior because it sounds like you are looking for someone to co-sign your bullshit. What I mean by the co-signing your bullshit is that deep down you know it's a bad idea but you want enough people to say it's a good idea or it's ok and then you can justify doing it, or co-signing your bullshit. If you face randoms the best way to beat them is through substitution and that isn't possible while on probation because they can watch and if you're caught, case closed. To me it would be easier to go 6 months or even a year without doing any pot rather than to try to sneak some here and there because once you pick up it is a lot harder to put it down. I think a thread like this does not support responsible marijuana usage.

Hey FBR...I'm offended that you come off so harsh without knowing me. As far as 12 step...NO...I have never been. That saying was told to me and my siblings after lectures from my mother while growing up (with love she said). I guess I say it as an adult cuz I heard it so much growing up, and it makes more sense now that I have grown up. I consider myself a responsible user who thinks the laws should be changed...and have thought so for years. I'm not here trying to bull shit anyone or looking for approval. I hate the thought of laws stating that if you toke a little smoke then you are irresponsible hard core crimminal. In fact...over the past month I have started doing research on how I can be a factor in helping to change the laws.

I got busted with weed in my glove box (I had just picked the "package" up) after another car ran a stop sign and slammed into my car from the side so hard it popped open and bent my glove box. The officer called to the scene found it.

I am very much employed with the same job for several years which has a nice figure paycheck. I work very long hours and have taken a couple hits a night to relax me enough to go to sleep now for years. It's hard getting home after 10-12 hours of work and having only a few hours to sleep before getting up to repeat the long hours.

As far as my UAs, they are scheduled a week ahead of time so I KNOW the day and time I will get tested. I have a very small body with fast metabolism. I don't get "cocky" and try sneaking a toke too close to test time...it's not worth it. BUT....I do need my sleep and I can't handle alcohol to relax like others do. Over the course of 2 days I might "sneak" a total of 5-6 hits. I have always eaten rather healthy, but now I take extra precautions to decrease the time the metabolites are at higher levels in my system. Then I do the dilution method and test myself before going in.

[FakeBoobsRule]

I consider myself a responsible user who thinks the laws should be changed...and have thought so for years. I hate the thought of laws stating that if you toke a little smoke then you are irresponsible hard core crimminal.

Well yeah, who here doesn't feel this way, that smoking marijuana isn't bad, criminal, and the laws suck?

I didn't say with 100% certainty that you are looking for someone to co-sign your bullshit and if that term offends you I'm sorry but that's they way it was told to me. For you and those in the future I will write it like "co-sign your bullshit." There's nothing wrong with 12 step meetings either. I 've been but it was for school and everyone should go to one or two. You can apply the 12 steps to more things than you think. But I do stand by my statement that

it sounds like you are looking for someone to co-sign your bullshit.
I said it sounds not that it is 100% and that is obviously based on past experiences and not by knowing you personally. Ask yourself this though, what other purpose would this thread have other than to promote the idea of smoking on probation?


I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY know that those on probation should NOT risk toking but I also know that for the most part it is almost like asking the impossible for some (like me). I periodically see others sharing about using in small amounts during probation periods.
It's not like you are asking people to get together in a thread to help others make it through not smoking on probation?

You realize if you were caught smoking on probation and were given an assessment that most psychiatrists would find a way to give you a dependency diagnosis based on the 7 criteria found in the DSM-IV? They would probably say 1) there is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use, 2) important social, occupational or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use (you can't do these things while in jail), and then mold this one to fit you 3) the substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance . I'm not saying I agree because diagnostic psychiatry is a tough area with lots of gray in it but if you meet 3 of the 7 criteria in a 12 month period, you would get labeled dependent by many.

To me, the thread itself would be like a walking dependent thread, like the thread itself had a dependency problem. Its existence is just to help people try to get away with smoking despite the consequence of going to jail which follows a basic description of dependency, use despite consequences.

[killerweed420]

The problem with trying to time your toking with UA's is everyone in the thread would be different. So many variables with getting clean. As I stated earlier the only way is to test yourself regularly to see how your body reacts. But it will never be 100%. Residues can build up and bite you in the ass when you least expect it and then end up with a failed UA.
People should think long and hard before they risk it. I feel sorry for them because a little toking could certainly release some of the pressures of being on probation. There could be a discussion on maybe the whizzinator or other tools that are designed for this sort of thing.

[Youreface]

As killerweed said, hearing about other people's builds and excercise habits height and all can be a good guage for ABOUT how soon you'll get clean.
But a personal experience is hardly something to base your future off of. You said it yourself you know it is a bad idea.. Why do it?

[Telesong]

I'm in a very similiar situation to the thread starter. I personally know that I'm not dependent on marijuana, and I used to smoke ~5x a day. The first 5 months of my probation I was randomly drug tested and did not even look at it the whole time. Since I got back to college, I have been drug tested every 2 weeks, and I have found that 14 days is plenty of time for me to smoke and pass my UA with flying colors. Granted, I'm a small guy (5'9 135)... Anyways, I think your labeling of people who smoke on probation as people with a dependancy on smoking is innacurate unless they are randomly drug tested and still continue to smoke. I've passed about 7 UA's now, never even messed with dilution or anything...I think I'm ok.

[Youreface]

I think FBR was just trying to give the OP a stern warning and advice about the repercussions of smoking on probation. And really you can't even say that it is inaccurate for him to say the OP is dependant because dependancy is subjective and opinionated.

You yourself are making a generalized statement basically stating that you're only dependant if you get randomly UA'd and still smoke. So you mean to tell me there isn't a person in the world dependant on alcohol who isn't on probation? Not to mention that the OP is unsure of whether he will be able to pass his piss tests that he already knows about which I think is essentially the same thing as getting a random

If you are doing something knowing full well the consequences and are still unsure if you will be able to piss clean then I think you do have issues as well.

But again saying whether or not someone is dependant on a substance is a pretty loaded question with a highly opinionated answer. You are entitled to yours as FBR is his.

EDIT: and seeing as I think this thread has gotten derailed completely off topic with little or no hope of getting back on track I think it may be time it's closed.

[stinkyattic]

I think indeed that this thread contains enough information to be considered complete and ready for closure, since really it's gotten to the point where the OP feels a need to defend himself, when this should just be a simple 'will I be able to pass' type of thread.

Good luck to KNOTME66, and on that note I'm going to lock this. Of course I hope FBR will pop back by if he has any additional insights but I think you can find what you need to know here and in other similar threads.

[FakeBoobsRule]

I hope it didn't come acros as I was trashing Knotme or saying they have an addiction problem. I was trying to give a devil's advocate kind of response showing things from all sides giving you a possibility of what someone might conclude from smoking on probation, not just for you but anyone. Diagnostic psychiatry is difficult and subjective. It isn't like looking at a biopsy and seeing cancer cells or reading a x-ray and seeing a broken bone or looking at a blood sugar level and determining whether someone is diabetic or not. The discipline of rehab is relatively new and many rehab centers are run by recovering addicts. They sometimes take what you tell them during the history and mix that with their own personal experiences with their own addiction and experiences gathered from treating others. There are some rehabs that are just excellent in treating and diagnosing dependency while others are more than eager to tag people as dependent because there is a lot of money in it when it comes to private rehab and not court run or government backed programs. I don't know if I read that were going in for an assessment or if I gathered that from being on probation but I just wanted you to be aware of how this could play out. You know even who is doing the assessment is a crap shoot. You may get a psychiatrist who has no addiction history doing your assessment or you may be getting a former drug dealing addict who went to school for 2 years to get a degree in order to work in a rehab center and is using his or her job to cling onto their very fragile sobriety or maybe the same person has a solid 10 years sober and is working at a rehab center because they really enjoy it and did have to change their previous line of work.

So again let me state I wasn't trying to say Knotme has a dependency problem but rather that anyone who smokes on probation and is in a rehab program and is caught using could very well find themselves with a diagnosis of dependency. I also don't agree that this is always or never the correct diagnosis.

Now back to why I don't think this thread is a good idea. Probably the first reason which kind of got brushed over with all of this is that it is easier to complete the drug testing successfully if you just stop completely. Obviously if you don't use you won't fail but in order not to use, it is easier not to use if you just give it up then to try to reward yourself once in a while or sneak some here and there because it is easier to quit than it is to stay clean once you quit. It sounds like a daunting task if someone comes up to you and says you have to stay clean for 6 months, a year , 2 years whatever. You shouldn't look at it like that but the 12 step mantra "One day at a time." Let's say you pick up on day one and you think you have a test on day 21. You say ok, I can get away with it because I have 21 days. Next day comes and for some people they will be like "well one more time won't hurt" etc and one more time becomes another time and another and soon you are about to freak out because it's 3 days before your test and you've been smoking your ass off. You're stressed because you might fail so you might do something crazy. This is only one of many possibilities that could play out and there are more possibilities with negative outcomes than positive if you are trying to smoke here and there while on probation.

Next promoting smoking on probation isn't congruent to the theme of this website, responsible and medical use of marijuana. Some might even say "Look at that evil weed and that bad person, he can't stop even with jail hanging over their head."

Third, it might give some people false hope and I don't want to see anyone in jail for smoking marijuana and I bet most people here feel this way. That is unless you are harming someone such as robbing or not being a responsible parent, in order to smoke.

So again, here's why I think this thread is a bad idea:

1) It is easier just to quit and take it one day at a time than to try to allot yourself smoke breaks while on probation.

2) Not responsible usage and not the best promotion of marijuana usage.

3) Don't want to give people false hope.