First timer needs advice

[sgibson8]

I recently started growing and I got some clones from a buddy. When I got them they weren't in the best of shape but still good. The roots were done so I transplanted them into 2 groups to do a little experimenting. They were put into the vegetative room about 6 days ago Group A I put straight into large black pots and used a fertilized mix called Amazon Bloom. In Group B I used smaller 16 oz brown cup size pots and used an organic soil less mix. In this group I watered them with a 1/4 strength fertilizer called Sugar Peak which is mixed with the water. I have a 1000 W. lamp about 2 feet away from the tips of the plants. I currently am using tap water until I can get my ph down a little with some solution. I water them about every other day and I water them until water comes out of the drain holes (which I am not sure if this is too much). I am a little worried being my first time and all and was wondering if these plants were looking okay. They are a little yellow and some of the stems are thin and purple but I was also told that it was a strain of a purple bud but I'm not sure if that justifies it. I basically want to hear from some experienced growers if this is looking normal or if I am messing up on anything. A simple 'good job so far' or 'those plants suck' are good enough comments but if you would like to do in depth be my guest. If you need any questions answered about my process so far feel free to ask.
ps-the last image which is 1802 was taken under the cloning floresant lights before I put them into the vegitation room.

[sgibson8]

I recently started growing and I got some clones from a buddy. When I got them they weren't in the best of shape but still good. The roots were done so I transplanted them into 2 groups to do a little experimenting. They were put into the vegetative room about 6 days ago Group A I put straight into large black pots and used a fertilized mix called Amazon Bloom. In Group B I used smaller 16 oz brown cup size pots and used an organic soil less mix. In this group I watered them with a 1/4 strength fertilizer called Sugar Peak which is mixed with the water. I have a 1000 W. lamp about 2 feet away from the tips of the plants. I currently am using tap water until I can get my ph down a little with some solution. I water them about every other day and I water them until water comes out of the drain holes (which I am not sure if this is too much). I am a little worried being my first time and all and was wondering if these plants were looking okay. They are a little yellow and some of the stems are thin and purple but I was also told that it was a strain of a purple bud but I'm not sure if that justifies it. I basically want to hear from some experienced growers if this is looking normal or if I am messing up on anything. A simple 'good job so far' or 'those plants suck' are good enough comments but if you would like to do in depth be my guest. If you need any questions answered about my process so far feel free to ask.
ps-the last image which is 1802 was taken under the cloning floresant lights before I put them into the vegitation room.

[chrisdl805]

You have some tall skinny clones their:cool: I'm not sure if they stretched or they were just cloned like that? When your are watering are you lifting the pot to make sure it is dry? The tips could be yellow from a few things, too much water/nutes, too much light 1000w is it mh?, too much heat...do you have a temp/humidity device? Make sure you keep the temp around 75f if you can with that 1000watter. Other than the yellow tips they seem okay, just make sure your not over watering. Its hard not to do when you first start out because you see something wrong and think it needs more water/nutrients, when it usually something else like ph issues or lockout. Do you adjust your ph when you add your ferts? If not I would definetly get a liquid ph tester stat until you can find a good digital one. I tds/ph pen would be best so you can also know exactly how much nutrients your feeding them. Good luck:greenthumb:

[Rusty Trichome]

When you transplant them, mix perlite into the soil. The Jiffy pots look like they have some, but the black pots appear to have none.

Not recommended growing two plants in one pot. Roots and canopy will compete, at least one of 'em won't be pleased.

Let dry between waterings.

I'd raise the light a bit. They look too stressed, to subject them to full light and heat.

What's your water ph? What's the run-off ph?

6 day clones, looking that tall? Tallest clones I think I've ever seen, lol. Did you root them in a different room, then move them into the veg room 6 days ago?

Have you been plucking-off the undergrowth, or has it been dying off? Don't be a plucker. It keeps plants in a perpeptualy stressed state.

Good luck.

[stinkyattic]

Please do not post multiple identical threads.

[Rusty Trichome]

I thought this looked familiar. Was before my first cup of coffee, so wasn't really sure, lol.

[sgibson8]

Sorry about that. Wasn't sure if it was a problem or not so I just posted it in two.

[sgibson8]

-Age of plant - A little over 3 weeks or so I heard.
-Temperature (both day and night if you are running a dark period)
-% Relative humidity Day 71-73 Night 65-70
-Lighting schedule 18 hours
-Type of ventilation your room has Its an attic so it is in the clime space going up which is about 3 ft sq ft. Is this too big?

Also the clones arn't 6 days old but they have been potted and in the veg room for 6 days. Also that wasn't two plants. The stem split and went two ways. I know you can't tell from the photo but they are connected. My water ph is around 7 but I just bought some solution to make it go down so it will be perfect soon. Also I bought a moisture tester so I will know when to water. I have plucked off some leaves but only if they were all brown and rolling up. I will raise the lamp a little. 6 in good to 2 and a half feet. Also yes it is mh. Thanks for the help everyone and I'll keep you updated.

Thanks to Sticky for providing this forum

[sgibson8]

I just wanted to say thanks to Rusty Trichome and chrisdl805 for all the help. I was over watering like crazy so i think my plants will heal. I picked up perlite, a moisture meter, and have lifted my light higher. I'll also be sure not to chop off any more leaves.

[stinkyattic]

Do you know the pH of your soil runoff? Those plants look like they are unhappy more in the pH too low direction... always check the pH of your runoff water before making adjustments.

[sgibson8]

For my ph water tester it is not digital so it is a little hard to get an exact reading, I checked the ph before watering and got around 7.0 to 7.5 and at my last watering I didn't have any solution to lower the ph so I just did it. Then I tested the soil and it was 7.2 or 7.3. I didn't test the runoff so I will have to tell you next time I water. Thanks for the advice.

[sgibson8]

Group A seems to be amazing after I stopped watering every other day and giving them too much. As for group b we are haveing a little trouble. The leaves are starting to hang and turn yellow again. Should I just water without the 1/4 nuts?

[sgibson8]

Actually now that i think about it. They might have been too close to the light. I have my 1000w at 2.5 ft away from the tips and these I put off to the side.

[smileibiza]

with such small plants and 1000w I would keep them about 4ft above the plants and only lower the lamp when the plants are bigger and stronger and then would keep the lamp about 3 ft of the tops of the plants.
1000 watts gives off a lot of heat.

[Rusty Trichome]

For your nutes, you mention Sugar Peak. Which formula are you using, (what are the N-P-K numbers?) and what are the dilution strengths recommended on the bottle?
Can lower the water ph with lemon juice or vinegar in a pinch...a couple or few drops per gallon is a good place to start. Fluctuating ph will lock-out nutes and micro's. Are you giving any superthrive, or similar micro nutes?

[sgibson8]

For your nutes, you mention Sugar Peak. Which formula are you using, (what are the N-P-K numbers?) and what are the dilution strengths recommended on the bottle?
Can lower the water ph with lemon juice or vinegar in a pinch...a couple or few drops per gallon is a good place to start. Fluctuating ph will lock-out nutes and micro's. Are you giving any superthrive, or similar micro nutes?
I am using sugar peak hydro fusion-vegetative. Th e guy at the hydro shop suggested it but saying that I should use only half the nuts as it tell you to for hydro since I am using soil. The numbers are 3-1-5. Which I am not too familiar on what they represent. I got the ph taken care of and it is now around 6.5. I am not giving them any superthrive or micro nutes because I am not sure what those are. If you suggest them what are they any where can I get them? Thanks for all the help.

[Mr. Clandestine]

If you suggest them what are they any where can I get them?

Sorry to jump from post to post, I never saw this one. The NPK numbers you see on the Sugar Peak bottle stand for nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium. These are three major chemicals that generally define the attributes of most major commercial fertilizers. Having a higher percentage of nitrogen during veg is preferable to encourage foliage production, and a greater phosphorus/potash percentage is used to promote fruits/flowers in plants, and vigorous root growth.

Many fertilizers also contain micro nutrients (trace elements) which are meant to conservatively apply other nutrients that the plant may be deficient of. If you've done a lot of flushing recently to try and correct pH issues, then feeding with a 1/4 strength fertilizer (preferably with micro nutes) would help to get some of these elements back in reach of the roots.

Superthrive isn't actually a nutrient, or at least, I'm pretty sure it isn't. I think it's more of a supplemental source of vitamins and growth hormones. I only use the stuff for clones and transplants to promote root growth, but other growers absolutely stand by the stuff for all sorts of growth stages. Fertilizers with micro nutrients and Superthrive are available online, at hydro stores, and maybe even some hardware stores like Lowe's. Just be careful if you decide to pick up any fertilizers from Lowe's, as most of them aren't very suitable for cannabis.

Take a few hours, roll up a couple of spliffs, and spend some quality time going through a lot of the posts in the growing forums here. You'll get some good ideas and feedback about specific fertilizers, regimens, and so forth.

[sgibson8]

okay so I picked up some superthrive and haven't flushed any of the plants yet but I had one questions before I did. you said use 1/4 strength fertilizer-should I use this for both plants even though one group already has fertilized soil or should I only use it on the organic fertilizer group. And then do I just add the recommended amount of superthrive to the fertilizer and flush away? I think this will help out a lot. Thanks

[Mr. Clandestine]

Wait a second, I never said you should flush... I was assuming that you already had done a minor flush to correct your pH problem. If you're using fresh soil and haven't yet added any nutrients, there's probably no need to flush. Especially if there's no perlite and your soil holds moisture well. In cases like these, flushing could actually do more harm to the plant than good. Flushing is appropriate when you need to clear excess salts from the fertilizers out of the soil, when you've over fertilized by accident (emergency flush), and when you're a couple weeks away from harvest and want to rid the pots of excess fertilizer in the soil. Definitely don't do it just to do it.

Since some of your soil already has nutrients added, you'll only want to fertilize those with about a 1/4 strength solution to begin with. You can raise the amount you use as you see how well your plants are tolerating it. As for the Superthrive, don't be too liberal with that stuff. I think one drop per gallon of water is the general recommendation for it.

[sgibson8]

I just wanted to show you some new pics. The plants are looking great. Even the little ones are looking better.Check them out and tell me what you think. I'll keep you updated.
Also when you transplant how full should the roots be? Some have hit the bottom but I'm not sure if I should wait longer. I'll show some pics when they're dry.

[sgibson8]

Also I just wanted to say thanks to all of the people that helped out. If it wasn't for all the help im sure my plants would be dead.