So is shit going down?

[zeitgeist]

Well Im a Christian and have read alot of revelations and it seems that so much stuff that it was talking about is happening right now. For example the whole world is supposed to start making unions(Euro Union already has one and then Canada,US and Mexico are going to become the NA Union) and the in the US there have been small computer devices that have already been created and will be used to keep our all info and will be inplanted in our skin(Which is supposed to be the mark of Satan I think). If you do not have one it will be very difficult for you to be apart of society. And then there is I35 which will go all the way through NA which it talks about something similair.
And then this isnt part of the bible but the Mayans said the world was supposed to end in 2012. Seems like the year could be right especially when all this stuff is happeneing right now
IDK, Im just putting this out in the air to see what everyone else thinks. And dont turn this into a religion bashing contest

[StickyfingahZ]

Doesnt revelations or something talk about 2 prophets or holy men being killed in the middle east and left in the streets without being buried for 3 days while people party?
I was thinking about this stuff as well with us in the middle east.With us staying there,that would open the door for christianity to flow right?

[LdyMarsRN]

I'm reading Tim McHyde's "Know the Future" right now, and it's scary. Soooooo many things in Revelations are happening now. I too believe that the chips are "The Mark." The Euro is the beginning of the One World Currency IMO. Yes the Mayan calendar ends in 2012. McHydes view point says that it all begins with the discovery of Planet X....and it's been found. Soon Iran using Nukes against Israel, and eventually the fall of the USA. I know all of us don't believe, but we can discuss what's going on without fighting about whether God (Supreme Being, Higher Power, etc.) exists, right? :hippy:

[Coelho]

Damn... since this thread comparing Obama with the anti-christ ive thought again a lot about this subject of the end of the world... i always used to think about it, and now i did it again... interestingly, my views are much like the ones some of you described... i also think the beasts mark will be a kind of chip which would be connected with some central computer, and probably all peoples financial, social, personal, etc informations would be stored there, so anybody would need to have this chip to buy or to sell (which is what is said about the beasts mark).
I also believe the beast from the earth with ten heads and seven horns will be some union of countries, more exactly 10 countries and 7 kings (or rather presidents). They will have control over all "nation, tribe or tongue", and so will force everybody to be marked with its (beast's or country union's) mark.
I dont know very much about the beast from the sea... i think it will be a person of a group of person (maybe some "religious" organization), with great powers to make "great signs", and which will give "life" to the earths beast image... i think this beasts image would be some kind of supercomputer, so evolved that people would (wrongly) think it were alive (or at least conscious).
If i remember rightly, people would be forced to revere this beasts image... what would be what any government would force people to do, if they constructed something "alive" or thinking... probably they would say it was "god"... poor of them... to think that the Almighty God could be a man-made machine...
I also believe the final end of the world will be the fall of some meteor, which will put a definitive end to it... There is still a lot of things i could say about this... but it would make this post way too long... and hopefully somebody else will have the same views, will post it, and spare me from the work of writing it... :P

[zeitgeist]

All I know is I will NOT put that chip in my body. Ill be one of the "outcasts" that will fight it and ultimately be persecuted for it
Hmmm. It's already been FDA approved
FDA approves implanted RFID chip for humans (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041013-4305.html)

And for the end of the earth, I'm not sure if it's actually going to be destroyed physically, because revelations talks about Satan ruling for 1000 years and then God cast him away and we all come back. Im not %100 percent if the bible said all this but Im pretty sure it did

[LdyMarsRN]

All I know is I will NOT put that chip in my body. Ill be one of the "outcasts" that will fight it and ultimately be persecuted for it
Hmmm. It's already been FDA approved
FDA approves implanted RFID chip for humans (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20041013-4305.html)

And for the end of the earth, I'm not sure if it's actually going to be destroyed physically, because revelations talks about Satan ruling for 1000 years and then God cast him away and we all come back. Im not %100 percent if the bible said all this but Im pretty sure it did
When "the Wrath of God" ends Jesus reigns with his saints, on Earth, for 1000 years, according to the Bible. Much of the Earth and mankind will be destroyed before that though.

[THClord]

Don't believe anything because prophets or religion says so. Honestly, how often are they right?

But the union stuff and the US becoming a police state is unfortunately happening.

The union part is simple. It's good for the economy.

And here's the interesting bit. Do you know why it is the US that is becoming a police state? You wouldn't guess it. It's because this country is waaay to religious. Religion attracts the mindset where we allow others to tell us what to do. And that's exactly what a police state is, where we just do what the government wants us to do.

I don't let anyone tell me what to do. If stuff gets bad here in the US, I might just go back to Europe.

[Coelho]

All I know is I will NOT put that chip in my body. Ill be one of the "outcasts" that will fight it and ultimately be persecuted for it

Nor me... i plan to move to some farm in the farthest and more inaccessible place, live there growing my own food (and weed :jointsmile: ) in such way i can be completly independent of and forgotten by the society... so they wont have reason to get me, and i wont have need of them.


And for the end of the earth, I'm not sure if it's actually going to be destroyed physically, because revelations talks about Satan ruling for 1000 years and then God cast him away and we all come back. Im not %100 percent if the bible said all this but Im pretty sure it did

Well... i think earth wont be completly physically destroyed (transformed into cosmic dust)... a falling meteor would change dramatically its surface, but it still would be the earth...
And is not satan who will rule during 1000 years... he will be imprisioned during this 1000 years.


When "the Wrath of God" ends Jesus reigns with his saints, on Earth, for 1000 years, according to the Bible. Much of the Earth and mankind will be destroyed before that though.

Yes... after this 1000 years, satan will be released from his imprisionment and will try to decieve all the nations again, but will be defeated in the end and thrown in the lake of fire.


Don't believe anything because prophets or religion says so. Honestly, how often are they right?


Just wait... sooner or later (hopefully as later as possible) you will see if they were right or not.


I don't let anyone tell me what to do. If stuff gets bad here in the US, I might just go back to Europe.

Yes... but the point is the beast government will rule the entire world... there wont be to where to escape.

[LdyMarsRN]

[quote=Coelho]Nor me... i plan to move to some farm in the farthest and more inaccessible place, live there growing my own food (and weed :jointsmile: ) in such way i can be completly independent of and forgotten by the society... so they wont have reason to get me, and i wont have need of them. :thumbsup:

I will not take the Mark of the Beast either. Yours sounds like a great plan, but be sure to have plenty of seeds......and what about utilities? Windmill? Outhouse?........and a well? Just thinking ahead. I believe this is in the beginnings even now. :hippy:

[zeitgeist]

okso Ive been reading and it seems that Nostradomas(sp?) even has a prediction about this. I found some interesting stuff on another site
Apparrently Nostradomus put out the name MABUS. And there is a guy named Mabus that is serving as a senior adviser to the campaign and could become Obama's VP. So if/when Obama is assasinated this guy is in perfect position. OMG

Obama's advisor is Ray Mabus...Nostradamus connection??? (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message510670/pg1)

A big chill just went through my body

[LdyMarsRN]

:jawdropper: :S5:

[dejayou30]

See, the thing is, people think that all this stuff means the end of the world, which is when Jesus is supposed to come back. But in reality, when all this happens, instead of the world ending and Jesus coming to rectify the situation, everyone will essentially be enslaved or at least able to be monitored 24/7, and the government will have succeeded as using religion as the ultimate control device that it has set out to be from the start. People REALLY need to come to grips with the reality that religion is not a true thing. When 86% of people in the US believe in an invisible sky man and an old book that's been proven wrong rather than believing in facts of the world around us, then I think we are in trouble.

In reality, I don't think there's any way in hell that people will agree to putting RFID chips into themselves and their children, so I don't think theres anything to worry about. But that definitely does not mean we can sit back and relax because things are REALLY fucked up right now with our government and people need to speak out now more than ever. We are closer to world government, world banking, and RFID chips than the average person would believe. There are even people that HAVE the RFID chip already. Too bad everyone's caught up in the rat race of attaining as much shit as possible to realize what they're government is doing while they use the people to fill their pockets.

In short, the "average person" needs to pay more attention to what's going on. :stoned:

[zeitgeist]

Im not a religious person but I do believe in Jesus in God and use my faith to guide me through all of this. In essence I think for myself not through some priest or anyone else
We are just having a discussion and using "what ifs about the future"
I do beleive the revelation is coming although I dont know when. I just cant find it coincidental for all these writings that occured thousands of years ago to just start happening all at the same time

But anywho, Im gonna go toke and spend some high time with the Man. I always think about things in a completely different way and I am opened up to new concepts which enlighten me. Plus I havent smoke in 2 weeks:rastasmoke:

[Mr. Clandestine]

Honestly, how often are they right?

Honestly? How many times have they been proven wrong? Theories and speculation aside, the atheist crowd has nothing (in terms of tangible evidence) on the theists... and vice versa. You can get into a debate with any jackass who can use Google then cut & paste, but these arguments will nearly always end in a stalemate. Rarely does anyone ever switch sides, especially when the arguments are over the internet... and not in-person. Have one of these debates with a real person, face-to-face and unscripted, with only the information you know, and you'll be surprised how receptive people can be to your thoughts. Do it on the internet, and anyone can conjure up a witty retort worthy only of another well-researched witty retort.

It's called 'faith'. Either ya got it, or ya don't. No one has the authority to judge a person who doesn't believe, in the same respects that no one has the right to insult others that do believe. Opinions are like assholes... we've all got one.

[Coelho]

Well... even if that linking about Nostradamus and obama did make me a bit uneasy, let me tell you something.
I did read a book which shows how the Nostradamus centuries must be read. The author (Piobb) shows that there is a kind of "code" to read them... the verses must not be read one after another, but following a definite sequence, like Century I verse 10, then Century IV verse 84, then Century V verse 30, etc... only reading them this way one can rightly understand and interpret Nostradamus predictions.
In the book he says that it was one device used by Nostradamus to ensure that only the "right" people (the ones with the needed knowledge) would read it and understand it. To the rest, it would be only a set of (frequently) confusing verses. So, most "usual" interpretations of Nostradamus work are just plain BS. Of course, there is several events that, after they happened, were linked to some lost verse. But after something happens, its easy to link what happened with some verse. The hard thing is to accurately link the verses to things that still didnt happened.
So, unless the Nostradamus work be interpreted following the right sequence of the verses, accordingly with Piobbs description, it is useless.
If it is the case of this obama prediction, i dont know. I hope it be.

[Coelho]

In reality, I don't think there's any way in hell that people will agree to putting RFID chips into themselves and their children, so I don't think theres anything to worry about.

Well... i strongly believe that very soon this chip will be a substitute for the ID, credit cards, and even money (in cash). So, to someone keep being part of the society, they will have to put this chip. Or, as the Bible says:

"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." Revelations 13:17


everyone will essentially be enslaved or at least able to be monitored 24/7

That will be one of the reasons for the government to make people put this chip. You know better than i how the usa government wants to have complete control over peoples lifes... and when they have the opportunity to have it, why not?

[Acouwaila]

I think that everyone who has the ability to be human, and actually see whats happening around us, and what we're making out of it, will be able to honestly tell you that they have no doubt the end is near. Like dejayou said, the chip shouldn't be a problem. I dont know who the fuck would actually agree to something like this. Its so fucked up. Shit IS going DOWN. you said it. Theres no turning back at this point.

Seeing as the world is probably going to end soon, 2012 would be an ideal time. Ive seen a couple documentaries and read a little about this time period. And its got me half convinced. The fact that I can now see how fucked up the world is, has got the other half of me convinced.

Someone mentioned a beast from the sea? Maybe a tidal wave?

[stinkyattic]

While I don't put much faith in predictions of The End, or any specific dates on which it is meant to happen, the scientist in me sees a serious end-game we are playing with the world we inhabit.

Between overpopulation leading to disease and putting millions of people in cities that are impossible to evacuate in the event of a sudden catastrophic weather or geological event, a disturbing and dangerous snowballing of our reliance on genetically-engineered food crops cultivated on large scale using fossil fuels, declines in pollinator populations worldwide, ability of air travel to quickly spread outbreaks of disease worldwide, increased severity of weather events, and growing gaps between the comfortably wealthy and the desperately poor, it would take less now than at times in past history to cause the human population of this planet to complete our self-destruct cycle.

The basic job of any species is to ensure its own continued survival. We are failing miserably. At least we have our MTV...

[melodious fellow]

I am a bit worried about 2012. I am not one to usually believe all the religious people on the corner with the cardboard signs shouting "the end is here!"

But I watch way too much of the History Channel, and they mention 2012 at leasr once a day.

The Myan calendar is more accurate than our atomic clocks and almost all of the Myan's predicitions have come true. They predicted WWII, global warming, etc.

The Chinese "I Ching" is this sacred phrophesy book containing hexagrams, and also points to Dec 21, 2012 as the end.

Also, around 2012 the magnetic poles are set to reverse. During this time there will be crazy storms and tsunamis and earthquakes, etc.

Also, there is a family of asteroids that remain in an orbit safe from us.. usually. Recently, ever so slight atmospheric temperature increases are causing these orbits to slowly shift towards us. If an asteroid of this family were to srike the earth, it would be very similar to the first mass extinction, the extinction before the dinosaurs, caused by an asteroid landing in what is now part of the ocean near the Yukatan Penninsula.

Also, the History Channel mentioned the occurence rate of supernovas (the violent explosive death of a star) in our galaxy. There were a few famous astronomers, Kepler and some other people, that were actually lucky enough to witness one. Anyway, we are long overdue for a violent star death, that could definitely affect us here.

I am inviting myself to join you, Coelho.... hide somewhere in a mountain cave, grow lots of veggies, potatoes, and cannabis! I love your theory on heaven/hell being DMT altered perception. So we will smoke lots of cannabis and be happy and think we are going to heaven in 2012!

peace

[Acouwaila]

isnt that a drug that the brain already contains though?

Its released when you sleep right?

Anyways....That theory totally has me. A recent trip I made led me to believe that also. I know what a bad trip is like, and I can only pray that I dont live in an eternity of it when I die.
I ask for a place to stay as well. But if the end does come, I will need to go to the shore. Thats where my end is. My dreams have told me my whole life. I will greet the tsunami with open arms and accept the cleansing.

[Acouwaila]

When the waters wash the world and cleanse it of its greed, let it be known it is divine. It is ok

[Psycho4Bud]

Sorry.....I'm still waiting for my computer to crash from Y2K.:D

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[stinkyattic]

isnt that a drug that the brain already contains though?
Its released when you sleep right?
Yes, but the process of sourcing, purifying, and ingesting more concentrated forms is not a topic for these boards. It is considered an off topic drug in ANY form. Again, I don't want to argue board rules. Thank you for letting the crocodile sleep a little longer.

[Mr. Clandestine]

At least we have our MTV...

MTV almost exclusively plays videos of women crying and dudes acting foolish at some sunny resort in God knows where...

The Learning Channel (TLC) almost exclusively airs footage of flamboyant interior designers, short people with average lives, and washed-up chopper builders...

...and yet, their ratings still climb. The end MUST be near. At least, the end of television entertainment as we know it.

[smokealot123]

seems to be getting colder and colder each year.. im always paranoid that some day were all going to freeze to death.. and if i were to guess how the world will end that would be it:(

[palerider7777]

See, the thing is, people think that all this stuff means the end of the world, which is when Jesus is supposed to come back. But in reality, when all this happens, instead of the world ending and Jesus coming to rectify the situation, everyone will essentially be enslaved or at least able to be monitored 24/7, and the government will have succeeded as using religion as the ultimate control device that it has set out to be from the start. People REALLY need to come to grips with the reality that religion is not a true thing. When 86% of people in the US believe in an invisible sky man and an old book that's been proven wrong rather than believing in facts of the world around us, then I think we are in trouble.

In reality, I don't think there's any way in hell that people will agree to putting RFID chips into themselves and their children, so I don't think theres anything to worry about. But that definitely does not mean we can sit back and relax because things are REALLY fucked up right now with our government and people need to speak out now more than ever. We are closer to world government, world banking, and RFID chips than the average person would believe. There are even people that HAVE the RFID chip already. Too bad everyone's caught up in the rat race of attaining as much shit as possible to realize what they're government is doing while they use the people to fill their pockets.

In short, the "average person" needs to pay more attention to what's going on. :stoned:
thats a good one, u say the "old book"has been proven wrong prove it? then wheres ur missing link thats been searched for, for years?u say "I don't think there's any way in hell " where did u get that word "hell" that u used and why would u use it if u don't believe in it?i agree with u about the gov, this is true but it's also true that they are the ones that mandates what is taught in schools. so that being said how are they the ones "and the government will have succeeded as using religion as the ultimate control device that it has set out to be from the start""and btw it was'nt the gov that started all the false stuff to control it was the church the same church that was against jesus and the same church that got jesus killed and rome the leader at the time did'nt want to kill jesus it was the church and the jews his own people that killed him not rome the gov"

so what ur saying is they are 2 faced, using religion to control the masses and allowing evo to be taught to the kids?i think ur a bit confused sometimes people take alot of what they hear from friends and t.v and mash it all together.like u saying the old book has been proven wrong.name a part thats been proven wrong.and have u ever read it for urself, or listen to a preacher as even i don't listen to most preachers as they have there own stuff they add to it making it false to start.;)

[palerider7777]

heres a link to a good site u should explore it well as theres alot of info there and u can click the stuff written in blue to watch the vids on it Anchor Stone International (http://www.anchorstone.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,105/)
heres another good site about 2012 u have to order this vid though but it ties everything about 2012 together.

https://ww2.micahtek.com/nexolive/nShopping.cfm?&VISIBLE=false&CFID=14022141&CFTOKEN=22425611

[melodious fellow]

so what ur saying is they are 2 faced, using religion to control the masses and allowing evo to be taught to the kids?i think ur a bit confused sometimes people take alot of what they hear from friends and t.v and mash it all together.like u saying the old book has been proven wrong.name a part thats been proven wrong.


Shore, many governments are quite two-faced, not uncommon at all.

But the government "allowing evolution to be taught" (I absolutely love the phrasing of that, btw :D) while using religion to control the masses is not exactly being two-faced IMO.

Religion first emerged in late hunting and gathering tribes (long before Christianity or Judaism or the other modern religions) and greatly expanded during the transition to a more agricultural society. The reason for this social institution? A means of legitimating inequality in early societies. Perhaps religion does much more for us now, but we see where it has its roots. There is an old quote that "Religion was invented by the rich, for the poor." A rather Markist idea, but perhaps containing some truth.

Secondly, even if we are assuming that the Government did not believe the religion, (which is a large assumption) but was merely using it to control people, I still do not believe it would be two faced to teach evolution. Religion and evolution do not have to contradict each other. Living organism do evolve over time, as those better suited for their environments (due to a mutation or otherwise) have a higher rate of survival, and thus pass on more of their genetics. We can actually see micro-evolution happen before our eyes, with such as the Peppered Moths. Evolution is not really up for debate, it happens. I love when people get all excited over the fact that "evolution is just a theory!" Gravity is also a theory, as are many other theories we all take as fact.

But again, evolution does not say who put life on Earth. And the big whole in the big bang theory is what caused the big bang?. Evolution merely describes how living organism change.

There is plenty of room for both science and religion, and only those seeking to further division or get in an argument will tell you otherwise.

peace

[palerider7777]

Shore, many governments are quite two-faced, not uncommon at all.

But the government "allowing evolution to be taught" (I absolutely love the phrasing of that, btw :D) while using religion to control the masses is not exactly being two-faced IMO.

Religion first emerged in late hunting and gathering tribes (long before Christianity or Judaism or the other modern religions) and greatly expanded during the transition to a more agricultural society. The reason for this social institution? A means of legitimating inequality in early societies. Perhaps religion does much more for us now, but we see where it has its roots. There is an old quote that "Religion was invented by the rich, for the poor." A rather Markist idea, but perhaps containing some truth.

Secondly, even if we are assuming that the Government did not believe the religion, (which is a large assumption) but was merely using it to control people, I still do not believe it would be two faced to teach evolution. Religion and evolution do not have to contradict each other. Living organism do evolve over time, as those better suited for their environments (due to a mutation or otherwise) have a higher rate of survival, and thus pass on more of their genetics. We can actually see micro-evolution happen before our eyes, with such as the Peppered Moths. Evolution is not really up for debate, it happens. I love when people get all excited over the fact that "evolution is just a theory!" Gravity is also a theory, as are many other theories we all take as fact.

But again, evolution does not say who put life on Earth. And the big whole in the big bang theory is what caused the big bang?. Evolution merely describes how living organism change.

There is plenty of room for both science and religion, and only those seeking to further division or get in an argument will tell you otherwise.

peace
show me a monkey thats evoing into a man? yes i can see micro-evolution but to say man came from that i don't see it and as u seem to say that it jumped from a micro scale would we not be able to see the change from monkey to man?a living being in the middle so to speak?so what ur saying is all the evolution is going strong to this day but where it made the leap from ape to man stopped so now theres only ape and only man but no p[roof in the middle?hum i guess well find out soon enough 1 day.

oh and im guessing u do have proof of this?Religion first emerged in late hunting and gathering tribes (long before Christianity or Judaism or the other modern religions) and greatly expanded during the transition to a more agricultural society?sorry to say Judaism is not a modern religion and Christianity is newer but still around 2000yrs old or somewhere in there.i could go alot deeper into this but thats alot of writing.and only the jews believed in god in the early days of life what ur talking about "Religion first emerged in late hunting and gathering tribes" is a diffrent Religion as those people other than gods people did worship the "gods" for farming and such like the sun god earth god u ever heard of baal thats what most worshiped i think it was the sun god but not sure. just read the old testament it's all in there for sum reason people don't see it and no the bible does'nt say the earth is only 6000 years old.it does say b4 adam and eve that the earth was void and without form so who knows how old it really is.

[Coelho]

The Myan calendar is more accurate than our atomic clocks

Well... The "usual" cesium atomic clocks can count time with precision of 1/9,000,000,000 second... how could the Mayans have a more precise measurement of time?


Also, around 2012 the magnetic poles are set to reverse. During this time there will be crazy storms and tsunamis and earthquakes, etc.

Well... the magnetic poles reversion is a thing that actually happens, but it takes (at very least) thousands of years... so, as today the north is in the north, it would be very hard to it change until 2012... and even if it happened, how it would cause storms and earthquakes, and tsunamis? The air, the water and the earth (with exception of some rocks) are not magnetic, so they dont feel the influence of the magnetic field, and for they the direction of the north is irrelevant.


Also, there is a family of asteroids that remain in an orbit safe from us.. usually. Recently, ever so slight atmospheric temperature increases are causing these orbits to slowly shift towards us.

Well... the only thing that can influence asteroids (as well as planets, comets, etc) orbits is the gravity. How an increase in earth atmospheres temperature could change earths gravity?

I think you are watching too much TV... and its not good for anybody... specially if you dont filter what they say... i remember watching a "documentary" on Discovery Channel trying to prove how dragons could actually have existed, and how they actually could breathe fire... but being a scientist myself, i thought their "scientific explanations" of how it could be rather lame...

I did read about the Mayan calendar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_Long_Count_calendar), and the only sure thing is that in Dec 21 2012 the date when written in the Mayan notation will be 13.0.0.0.0. So, i think it may be a bit like that old fears that the world would end in the year 2000... also the ones who studied Mayan prophecies said that there was dates beyond this one, so that wouldnt be the end of the world.

Personally, i think it may happen some bad thing at this date... but it is because of how the world is going on right now.


So we will smoke lots of cannabis and be happy and think we are going to heaven in 2012!

Well... dont misunderstand my theory... just thinking with the physical brain that youre going to heaven wont take you there... the physical consciousness (the one we usually use when awake) is the first to be lost when the body dies... you only could go to the "heaven" if your innerest self (what some would call "soul") were ready, in peace... as it is this innerest self that ultimately controls our actions, thoughts, feelings, or resuming, what we are. And it is the innerest self with is faced with us during some alterated states of consciousness, so you know how it can be...


I am inviting myself to join you, Coelho.... hide somewhere in a mountain cave, grow lots of veggies, potatoes, and cannabis!

You are welcome! :thumbsup: only remember to bring some seeds of the BEST weed you can... cause the weed here is not so good... :stoned::rastasmoke::jointsmile:

[Coelho]

Well... i dont know how this thread sprouted a evolutionism/creationism discussion... anyway... some time ago i had an idea of how to link creationism and evolution in a way that agreed both with the Bible and with the usual evolution theory...
Look at: http://boards.cannabis.com/spirituality/129466-link-between-creationism-evolutionism-very-long.html

I hope it can improve or help this discussion in any way. :thumbsup:

[Hardcore Newbie]

It's called 'faith'. Either ya got it, or ya don't. No one has the authority to judge a person who doesn't believe, in the same respects that no one has the right to insult others that do believe. Opinions are like assholes... we've all got one.

When people tell me they have faith in God, I just tell that person that I have faith that they are a murderer (or a pedo, or an adulterer)... If I can't question or attack someone's faith based beliefs, what right does anyone have to do the same against my faith based beliefs? Sure, my faith based beliefs have absolutely no evidence, but to quote.... "It's called 'faith'. Either ya got it, or ya don't."

[Mr. Clandestine]

When people tell me they have faith in God, I just tell that person that I have faith that they are a murderer (or a pedo, or an adulterer)... If I can't question or attack someone's faith based beliefs, what right does anyone have to do the same against my faith based beliefs? Sure, my faith based beliefs have absolutely no evidence, but to quote.... "It's called 'faith'. Either ya got it, or ya don't."

Nice try, but we won't be hijacking this thread just so you can throw imponderable after imponderable at me in vain attempts to discredit my beliefs. It never works, and you of all people should know this... we've had this conversation before. Surmise what you wish about my character, I have faith that even the most arrogant of atheists can understand that attacking anyones religion just to be spiteful is ignoble and weak. You, being the worldly and sophisticated atheist that you are, can surely see how frail this assertation is. Go find some Catholic schoolchildren and try to belittle them, newb... maybe you can get one of them to cry over your ambiguous provocations. Not me. But please, if you want to attack me just for the fun of it, start your own damn thread to do it... then hold your breath until I reply.

:thumbsup:

[melodious fellow]

show me a monkey thats evoing into a man? yes i can see micro-evolution but to say man came from that i don't see it and as u seem to say that it jumped from a micro scale would we not be able to see the change from monkey to man?a living being in the middle so to speak?so what ur saying is all the evolution is going strong to this day but where it made the leap from ape to man stopped so now theres only ape and only man but no p[roof in the middle?hum i guess well find out soon enough 1 day.

I shore seem to have said many things I did not say :wtf::D

I personally think the whole "so you are saying we evolved from monkeys?" is a HUGE misconception about the theory of evolution.



oh and im guessing u do have proof of this?Religion first emerged in late hunting and gathering tribes (long before Christianity or Judaism or the other modern religions) and greatly expanded during the transition to a more agricultural society?sorry to say Judaism is not a modern religion

Judaism is indeed a modern religion.

And

The earliest evidence of man practicing religion dates back 100,000 years ago. At that time, 99% of the world's population were hunter/gatherers. Religion however did not become a dominant social institution until later, in agricultural societies.




and only the jews believed in god in the early days of life

This is not so. Theism, or a belief in God, existed long before.



what ur talking about "Religion first emerged in late hunting and gathering tribes" is a diffrent Religion as those people other than gods people did worship the "gods" for farming and such

If one believes in a God creator, then any people on Earth would be "God's people" IMHO. :rastasmoke:


like the sun god earth god u ever heard of baal thats what most worshiped i think it was the sun god but not sure.

Yes, but there are quite a lot of sun Gods. The Egyptians had Ra and Isis and a few others, the Greek Helios later replaced by Apollo, as well as sun Gods in other religions that I am less familiar with.

Earth God? Tu Di Gong?

And I believe this "Baal" is from your own religion and was more of a demon. But that is old testament...


just read the old testament it's all in there for sum reason people don't see it and no the bible does'nt say the earth is only 6000 years old. Never claimed it did. ;)

peace :rastasmoke:

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[zeitgeist]

should have known this was going to take a left turn and be a God vs atheism thread.
Can we get back on topic?

[Coelho]

should have known this was going to take a left turn and be a God vs atheism thread.
Can we get back on topic?

Zeitgeist youre absolutely right... you are new here but already noticed it... ive seen it happen LOTS of times... if you take the time to look at the older threads, you may be SURE that ANY thread with more than 20-30 posts turned into this kind of debate... and that all closed threads started like this and turned into flame wars, pissfests and so... and i foresee that many threads that still will come to be posted will have the same destiny... :p

[Hardcore Newbie]

Nice try, but we won't be hijacking this thread just so you can throw imponderable after imponderable at me in vain attempts to discredit my beliefs. It never works, and you of all people should know this... we've had this conversation before.

I've been away from the board for quite a while, my apologies for not remembering my every conversation. The only reason that these threads get hijacked anyways is that there's no PM function. And if I recall, the post that I quoted (yours) had nothing to do with "Is shit going down?" You were replying to someone who said that they don't listen to the prophets because they seem to be right as often as chance lets them. To sum it, up, his answer was basically "No, shit isn't going down, with regards to prophets."

You were the one who changed the subject of the thread.


Honestly? How many times have they been proven wrong? Theories and speculation aside, the atheist crowd has nothing (in terms of tangible evidence) on the theists... and vice versa <snip> No one has the authority to judge a person who doesn't believe, in the same respects that no one has the right to insult others that do believe. Opinions are like assholes... we've all got one.

See? Or are you the only one allowed to go off topic?


Surmise what you wish about my character, I have faith that even the most arrogant of atheists can understand that attacking anyones religion just to be spiteful is ignoble and weak.

I don't attack people's faith "for fun", or just to be spiteful. I attack and criticize so that people understand their own reasoning, which many people do not.


You, being the worldly and sophisticated atheist that you are, can surely see how frail this assertation is. Go find some Catholic schoolchildren and try to belittle them, newb... maybe you can get one of them to cry over your ambiguous provocations. Not me. But please, if you want to attack me just for the fun of it, start your own damn thread to do it... then hold your breath until I reply.Hardly worldly, yet I'm the one making spiteful remarks. And through your whole post, you still haven't questioned my faith based beliefs, so maybe you're right. Maybe faith shouldn't be attacked, no matter how silly, fact-less or baseless they may be.

Anyways, you guys in America should definitely fight this Real ID thing that's coming your way, because if you don't accept the RFID chip based ID, then they'll deny you certain privileges, like visiting "government property", you know, the property that you elect people to represent you in.

[Mr. Clandestine]

I've been away from the board for quite a while, my apologies for not remembering my every conversation.

Yup, that would be impossible. It's the lessons learned from these conversations that's important, not the conversations themselves... right? Or is that just something you say to knock threads further off-topic and supposedly make someone "understand their own reasoning"? You still have no right to attack someone, which many folks simply can't grasp. Criticism, on the other hand, is generally welcome in threads like this one. I initially offered criticism, I didn't bark at them and make accusations that they're a murderer, pedophile, or adulterer.

You did, remember? ;)


And through your whole post, you still haven't questioned my faith based beliefs, so maybe you're right. Maybe faith shouldn't be attacked, no matter how silly, fact-less or baseless they may be.

Hey! Glad to see you finally see things my way. Be sure to remember this little lesson. Oh, and by the way, I'm a mass-murdering pedophile... with thirteen wives. :chainsaw:


Anyways, you guys in America should definitely fight this Real ID thing that's coming your way, because if you don't accept the RFID chip based ID, then they'll deny you certain privileges, like visiting "government property", you know, the property that you elect people to represent you in.

IF the whole national security identification system pans out, it'll most likely be an elaborate system of ID cards or devices like cellphones, PDAs, GPS, etc., that can be tracked via satellite. Something along those lines. The whole chip implant ordeal seems like something right out of a sci-fi flick, and really doesn't seem like it'll become more than a passing fad for a fanatical handful. (But, I must say that I think it's a great solution for household pets.)

[stinkyattic]

So far off topic, and so deep into arguments between members over 'I said you said', rather than on the subject...
I think this thread has outlived its usefulness.
Closed for business.