Karma

[Euphoric]

so, what do you know about karma? i only know the veryy basics of it so i thought perhaps you enlightened stoners would know a thing or two about this...to get the ball rolling i found this spliffy lil link :)


Karma is Sanskrit for "deed." In both Hinduism and Buddhism karma includes an individual's physical and mental actions which determine the consequences of the person's present life and sequential lives through rebirth. Karma is based upon the phenomena of cause and effect which denotes both action and reaction that extend through many lifetimes.

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/k/karma.html

[juggalo420]

it implies theres an order to the world and universe, and theres some sort of supernatural power in control of determining which actions and thoughts are just. both of which i believe are fictisious, its the same mumbo-jumbo as western religions like christianity and judaism, but since its all exotitic a concept people in western cultures are intrigued by it.

[naturalmystic]

it's the same thing as predestination. Exact same thing. And both are Bull-hockey.

[Buck268]

Regardless of whether true karma exists or not, it is a good philosophy to live life by the concept that what goes around comes around. If everyone treated eachother as they'd like to be treated themselves this world would be a better place.

Of course, that doesn't happen... I know for a fact I ain't the nicest freindliest guy around, but hey, nobody's perfect... Ya just gotta do your best.

[Nullific]

it implies theres an order to the world and universe, and theres some sort of supernatural power in control of determining which actions and thoughts are just.
No, a higher power is not necessary for karma.
I see it as an equilibrium of the actions of the universe, a very complex balanced system. Nothing to do with whether the actions are 'just', IE: You do something good or bad that has an affect on someone or something else, which in turn affects something else and something else either positively or negatively until it comes back to you...sort of like a cycle. If the action was neither positive nor negative, neutral, than it's affect on others and in turn back to yourself in the future will not be significant.

It's also a bit of common since on a basic level example: Play with fire, you're going to get burned. Stick your finger into a light-bulb socket, you'll get electrocuted.

I don't believe in order, I don't believe in chaos...I believe in chaotic order.
What the fuck is chaotic order?
The universe my all be random, but in the end it all works out.

[kronick]

it can go both ways(and more)...there is no proving it...but if i had to take a guess on it, id say all karma is, is pretty much the same thing as what "The Law" is. you do something bad, you go to jail. like u said..."what goes around, comes around". its a human thing....i think its also called "revenge"...well they are basically the same idea...but revenge is a stronger word for it.

[Nullific]

I don't think applies just to humans but everything in existance...
A affects B which affects C and D E F G before it causes G to do something to affect A and B...accept the number of variables are countless which leaves any number of possibilities.

[kronick]

because we're human maybe its possiable for us just to be making this stuff up and its not all as dramatic as we think. maybe its just what ever is obvious?

[Nullific]

How is it dramatic?
Not much in the world is obvious.

[Buck268]

Karma; the mystics' name for Causality. With an illogical twist.

[kronick]

its not obvious cause u think it more than it really is. maybe ghosts, god, karma...or what ever, dosen't exist...maybe when we die...we just die...end of story. well ill tell you why, (if god dosent exist), the reasoning for why we humans believe in god. one simple answer. we want to exist after we die. with a being like god...an afterlife is possiable. so we just make up a story to calm ourselves so we dont go crazy. i kno a lot of my friends dont like thinking about if heaven exists or not cause if it dosent...when u die...thats it...no more existance and that scares a lot of people...hence heaven...the solution...it may or may not exist...but it will bring peace of mind to people. so regardless of heavens existance...its still a good thing to keep with you in your life.


this implys to if god dosent exist...if he does than religions of today are just. another thing...how can a religious person(lets say catholic) go up to somone from another religion and tell them they chose the wrong religion and are now going to die. does anyone lese think that, that is the MOST retarded thing they have ever heard b4? such arrogance. if god does exist...all religions are prolly worshiping the same god(s) but all the different religions, see god(s) differently.

[Euphoric]

I don't think applies just to humans but everything in existance...
A affects B which affects C and D E F G before it causes G to do something to affect A and B...accept the number of variables are countless which leaves any number of possibilities.

that was a good post. :cool:

[Nullific]

Look into the ignored but amazing field of parapsychology. The existance of poltergeists, reincarnation, telepathy cannot be denied but they can be explained. Instead people leave them unexplained so that crackpots make up all sorts of bullshit misconceptions about them and then don't want to hear the real explainations.
http://www.psiresearch.org/para1.html

[maryjanemama]

Nullific, how old are you? Sometimes I'm amazed at how well you put things. You explained karma exactly as it is, I think. Good for you and your ability to convey what's on your mind so ppl can understand it.

[Nullific]

Thanks, Im 16.

[Belleza]

the reason i picked no was kuz i don't think u get good from being good or bad from being bad. u get what u deserve. whether its' good or bad. plus sum ppl like to twist those odds with magick which is ok i suppose. can't say i've never done it.

[jacquelyne]

What about instant karma anyone had that?
But i do believe in the law of karma because really in life if you do something bad it always comes back to haunt you even if it is years later.

[GHoSToKeR]

"Karma is based upon the phenomena of cause and effect which denotes both action and reaction that extend through many lifetimes"

i agree with that, cause and effect. every action has an equal and opposite reaction. but i dont believe in the whole 'what goes around comes around' side of it, as if karma is some supernatural thing that haunts you if you do something bad.. i just beleive in cause and effect

[Nullific]

^I agree. When you apply this to just humans it seems 'supernatural'.
Nothing is there to 'judge' whether the action is 'good' or 'bad', that doesn't matter much, what matters is that there was an action that affected something else. If that action was 'good' or beneficial to that something else then there is a greater chance of that something else benefiting another thing which could come back to back to benefit the origin.
Of course nothing can truly dictate what is good or bad, since that is all opinion, but there are the obvious bad actions which would negatively interfere with something else and end up negatively interfering with the origin in the future.
Ionno how many follow that but, yeah.

[kronick]

every action has an equal and opposite reaction


maybe its just plain ol'random? sure if u shoot a gun, cause: bullet comes out of barrel at high speed, effect: whole gun kicks back and vice versa. but how can you compair that, to something like life? so newtons 3rd law dosent have anything to do with what you're trying to explain. Newton said that for physical objects on the planet earth. It can be totally different on other planets. so that point proves that his theory isnt totally true and therefore you cant use it to compair with life.

on the other hand what you said when using the 3rd law did it easy to understand...even if not in the correct terms.

I agree with you though...i dont believe anything " 'supernatural' "

Im gonna shut up now...im baked...

[Nullific]

I'm trying to think of some hypothetical situations, it gets difficult since usually karma is very complex.

In high school you're a bully. Ten years later you go to a job interview, one of the individuals you picked on happens to be the boss.
That is a more direct example with entities A and B, A affected B negatively...in the future it is up to B whether A is benefited.

http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/Spiritual/karma.htm
I don't agree completely with this page but it does give some examples.

Also, I don't believe the laws of physics change from planet to plant, galaxy to galaxy or even universe to universe. The only change may be in the variables.

[GHoSToKeR]

kronik, I know that it doesn't have anything to do with what I was explaining.. I was just using it as a way to explain what I meant, which is this: I dont believe in karma (ie, our negative actions coming back later to haunt us, and our positive actions coming back in a good way, in some kind of 'cosmic conspiracy'), but i do believe that all of our actions have an effect on the world around us. :) now ima go listen to some chili peppers :D

[kronick]

so those explainations of karma, are just to describe it right? 99% of the time....they kid you picked on, wont end up being your boss....wheres the karma in that? if its possiable for him to be the boss in the future....its just as possiable(and more likely) for him not to be the boss. there's your flaw. if every one dosent get whats comming to them...how can you say with definative proof that it exists? seeing as some people "go through the cracks" id hardly call that fair, in this so called "karma world". so sometimes...."what goes around, dosent come back"!

[Nullific]

I'm trying to think of some hypothetical situations, it gets difficult since usually karma is very complex.
Think of the events of your life, how might something that has happened to you in the present come from your actions of the past?
All I can give are actions with immediate consequences. Play with fire, you get burned. Put a fork in the toaster, electrocuted. Cut class, get suspended. Find someones wallet and return it, get a reward. Do good work, get a promotion. These are physical actions with consequences, and there are plenty of them occuring in your everyday lives.
I never claimed to have definitive proof, just a possible explaination of things that occur to us throughout our lives. If some physical and mental actions have immediate consequences, then other physical and mental actions must have delayed consequences, even if these consequeces are facilitated by other factors. Think of every single action you make, everyday. There are a lot them, most of them insignificant but even if the probability of that action having a consequence is small they may add up to something eventually.

Goin to smoke another bowl.

[maryjanemama]

What about instant karma anyone had that?
But i do believe in the law of karma because really in life if you do something bad it always comes back to haunt you even if it is years later.I absolutely agree. I've seen karma in action and it was almost scary, kind of like I had "powers". I know I don't :rolleyes: , I'm just saying I told somebody once that they would get what they deserved, and they did, and it was about 30 seconds after I said it.

[kronick]

ok....the term for "what goes around comes around" is karma...but thats all it is....a term...i highly doubt its because of a higher power doing all the work.

[Euphoric]

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[kronick]

oh yay....im on your ignore list :D:D:D!! im very proud that you are being an ignorant bastard :D they are my opinions...live with it! i dont go around ignoring you because of what you say and/or do.

[maryjanemama]

so those explainations of karma, are just to describe it right? 99% of the time....they kid you picked on, wont end up being your boss....wheres the karma in that? if its possiable for him to be the boss in the future....its just as possiable(and more likely) for him not to be the boss. there's your flaw. if every one dosent get whats comming to them...how can you say with definative proof that it exists? seeing as some people "go through the cracks" id hardly call that fair, in this so called "karma world". so sometimes...."what goes around, dosent come back"!
True, but that can be said for a lot of things. Who said they had proof? I didn't read a post from anyone who said that they had absolute proof. It can't be proven...sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. In my experience, most of the time it does come back to you, good or bad. I think the idea of the kid you picked on not becoming your boss is broad and general. More like this, you pick on the kid, later on you trip and fall in front of group of other kids and look like an ass. That's more like what I was thinking.

I'd rather just try to put out positive energy (not that I do all of the time :rolleyes: ) just because I'd rather not have any bad energy come back to me.

[kronick]

ya but people definatly get away with more stuff, than people that get it "comming to them".

[Canadabis]

The heisenberg uncertainty principle; how we observe an object or situation determines the outcome, i.e. an electron can be measured either for its wavelength or its mass (as it is a "wave packet", condensed energy). If it is measured for its wavelength it is massless, it is only light. If its mass is measured that condensed light has mass. You CANNOT EVER determine both. Meaning that how you see it makes it what it is.
This means that observation and attitude exert actual force upon reality. This is why evil begets evil, kindness returns itself and ambivalence breeds apathy and decay. It is not even necessarily a conscious thing, though when you meditate (hmmm buddhists do that alot dont they...) on your intentions and you discover the roots of the things you desire, what you really desire and why, you can begin to shape and change the balance of your life.
I really recommend anyone out there trying to get a grasp on thier soul to get a basic understanding of physics, so you can get a general idea of how the universe (that we are made of, live in, and function entirely within its realm) works.
Another point though, in trying to focus your intentions in the directions you wish your desires to go; your personality and ego are a very small part of your functioning psyche, and your subconscious will bitch slap the shit out of them when you go to bed, if you dont consult them first, your entire being must be in agreement not only with itself, but with EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE. Which is basically why negativity (which is counter productive superficially to your immediate environment, i.e. friends family the poor cat, yourself, whatever) cannot work synchronistically (that word has chron in it btw) for your betterment, because even your own psyche puts up road blocks against you, let alone your environment flat out cold cocking you back into your place. Whereas positive intentions will not be rebuked, unless they become derranged through your ego/personality (the part of you that thinks rationally, the one reading this now for example) perverting the orriginal intention (which is rarely ever totally delineated in your ego/psyche, cause lets face it were just touchy bald monkies, and we freak out real easy and those facets of your character may never totally be able to accept your place in the universe *cough ambition beyond means*cough).

Thanks for reading.
May the sun always be in your eyes, and the shadows behind you.

[kronick]

This means that observation and attitude exert actual force upon reality. This is why evil begets evil, kindness returns itself and ambivalence breeds apathy and decay.


you know...you'd think thatss what would happen...but humans are greedy to the bone...so most of the time the kindness dosent return back. thus, karma is random. if it does not follow a scale, then its random. an obeservation?...ok imagine this...imagine if killing someone wasn't considered a bad thing. would they get what's comming to them? no...cause their idea of karma would exclude killing cause killing is not a bad thing. karma is just a made up term, made by humans as a deterrent for stopping ppl from doing things most people think is wrong, using the guilt factor. "oh no, i stole this money and now im gonna get whats comming to me" possiably...or not...no way to tell...again...random.

but thats just me

[GHoSToKeR]

kronik that was an awesome response, bro.. im so high

[kronick]

thanks ghostoker! lol...im kinda baked myself right now!