Second grow same problemo

[greenracer]

If any of the moderators pick this up, could you please delete my original posting in the general "hydroponics" forum? I misposted.:rasta:

Anyway, here is my problem, with a few additions from the original post I thought might be helpful:

And it's probably my fault for not posting sooner. Anyway, I've had the same problem both times, and it's frustrating as hell.

Using/how I'm doing what:

5.6 ph in nute res
Advanced A B for veg/flower
Rest are all advanced, used to use the online calc but Advanced told me not to use it, more on that later
So using:
Earth Tea (veg/flow)
Carboload
Voodoo
Sensizym
Bud Blood
Big Bud
Final Phase
Overdrive

Not in that order, all I ever did was go about 60-70% max of what the online calc said to use for my res

Fed 15 mins X 4 when at 18/6. 3 X at 12/12.
One feed 1 hr after wake, then one or two in middle, then one 1 hr before bed time.

RH 40-60%
Ambient 66-80F
1000W HPS
Ebb and flow
Bubble with 12 in stone and circ the res with separate pump, both 24/7
Light is about 3ft at this point, I feel like I'm punishing them if I go lower.

Called Advanced, they said forget the calc if you aren't using EVERYTHING on the list. OK, so I am now by the label. Going on the low side of everything now.

Using GH's ph down, tap comes in at 6.4-6.8

Add the Sensi A and B separately, as told. Also adding them last after everything else in the res, if that matters. Read it somewhere here.

Had bug problems, think I'm over it but it came from my friend's clones, which has also happened both times. Got rid of them for the first, but yeild was poor. Was GREAT stuff, holy cow and I've done A-Dam and a few others, kinda know what it should be like anyway.

More on bugs. Spider Mites. I got them with the clones, positively got rid of them before last flower. Brought in more clones, and guess what? So I have confirmed all killed and am going to wait out another 2 weeks to make sure they are gone. No dead bugs in my bud, thank you. I can wait.

Good tip- the 50/50 alcohol solution gets rid of the mature ones well, used neem to get rid of the rest, kill whatever I could and have also cleaned all walls. Very good about cleaning around here.

Strains are confirmed NL and BB. Also about 4th gen off seed.

My buddy, who is a pest himself, grows great looking plants but they don't compare bud-wise to mine. But the yeild is very low. Same stuff way different setups. Only similarity now is genes and a 1000w light.

Am also vegging now with the 1000 about 3 1/2 feet up. Started them under a 400 MH but had the same problem then. They didn't really stress after the move but they look pretty darn stressed anyway.

Very purple stems throughout the process, more on the NL (indica?). Anyway, the BB seems to take flowering better.

I have a new one going, but am tenative on posting more until I get this straight.

Leaves are eagle clawed. Tips burn. Necrosis is the ultimate fate for my shade leaves.

Res stays relatively steady on PPMs. Fill with tap (after it sets out for a day or so) and then ph down a little. Fill with about 2-3 L per day. They are drinking and I think the light evaps a good amount.

Roots from last grow were incredible. Solid and good looking mass, clear. Just great.

Also, finish was very light, fluffy almost until a good drying and curing just blew us away. Great finish, but it seems like I've got an invisible wall in front of me.

WTF?

[Weedhound]

I'm sorry......what EXACTLY are you trying to ask? I'm reading something about nuteburn then something about a wonderful grow......then something about a wall.
Your plants look nuteburned to me...could possibly be a fert build up problem as well. But I honestly cannot tell from your list what you are using and what you are not.

Better question.....better answer. We're stoners.....short, direct and sweet. ;)

[dejayou30]

I don't really know what you're asking either, but it sounds like you're feeding them a lot of stuff. I am pretty sure I overfed mine my last two grows by using too much shit, so this time I'm using base nutes only and just started using a tiny bit of sweet and so far they are looking, smelling and growing better than they did my first two tries. They are three full weeks in as of tomorrow.

BUT your bud in the pic looks great so if you are following the same formula as you did to get that, then I don't know what to tell you because the bud in the pic looks better than what I have grown so far! :thumbsup:

Sorry for a worthless post! :stoned:

[Weedhound]

Hey I'm glad to hear your plants are doing well Deja....Please post some photos of them when you get a chance....I'd love to see.

[greenracer]

I guess I'm asking what to do. Overall, yes, it seems to be a good grow. However, judging by the leaves and everything I've seen on this board, something is up.

I went by the Advanced Calculator for the first, so I used just what they recommended. Seemed simple enough but I know those leaves shouldn't be so....

They are getting a lot of stuff, and for a noob I should have probably aimed lower. However, I have a little background in chem so I figured following a simple formula and looking at results should go 1 + 2 = 3. Just doesn't make any sense at this point.

I got about 1 lb from 18 plants, 4 week veg then 8 week flower, last of that was flush, then a bit longer flush for the BB, they just seemed like they needed 9 weeks. Maybe more.


The grow was strenuous, not wonderful. Very educational, we'll say. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissatisfied. More curious what I'm missing here.?.?.

I'm going to stay on top of this and will give updates on this whole grow now that I think about it. I appreciate your responses so far and hope this helps someone else along the way. Please ask away, and I'll give the best I can.

I see the tags on posts, "I never did this" and all that. This IS hypothetical in all aspects and my friend is posting it for is sick grandma.

Figured I'd get that out too.

[greenracer]

So I Clearex every changeout. At the moment I have gone through the instructions on the label and am feeding water. Basically, I think in about a day or so I'm ready to start more nutes. Plants are vegging now. The pics are from the last grow, will post some of the new one but they are identical to the ones posted above.

Not sure what else I can provide to help with T/S, but please ask away and as I said, I'll put out.;)

[greenracer]

I think I need to break this down as well

Veg:

Advanced A B for veg
Earth Tea veg
Voodoo
Sensizym

B-52 (did not mention that earlier)

Advanced A B flower

So using:
Earth Tea flow
Carboload
Voodoo
Sensizym

B-52

Bud Blood (when told)
Big Bud (when told)
Final Phase (same)
Overdrive (same)

[greenracer]

Sorry,

PPMS!

400 or so for veg at the moment, but doesn't seem to matter as I had it at 800-1000 for the last veg and same stuff.

1500 max during flower.

[Weedhound]

It looks like way too much nitrogen in there ......i'm afraid I'm not familiar with Earth tea or how much nitrogen is in your veg nutes.....but its WAY too much from the look of the plants. How much nitrogen is in voodoo as well? Looks to me like from your list you do like tons of stuff....maybe too much of everything for anything to do any good.

It would be MUCH more logical.....IMhumbleO..........to start with a good one part veg nute and work up rather than adding every single thing you can get your hands into your res and then trying to guess which one to take out.

Yes, id start very low.....is your ph rising alot and have to be adjusted often?

What conversion of ppms are you working off of 500 or 700? 400ppm doesn't sound like a huge amount.....but the pics look like they were dipped in straight nitrogen or something. i'm honestly not even sure about giving you a ppm to start with because of the list of stuff......I'd have no clue how to divide the ratios and what the ingredients of each are.

Hopefully Stinky or somebody will come along and give a bug report.....i've never really had insect problems in my grow.

Start simple and low.....my best advice.

[greenracer]

The ME Tea has 1.5-.75-1.5. I am going to go with your suggestion for now Weedhound and stick with the basics: Sensi A + B. I thought to add some cal mag, initially I thought it was a mag def. Suggestions?

Bugs have, of freaking shoot bag, reappeared, so once again I am factoring that into the problem. I am dropping F-bombs all over them, going with the 50/50 99% isopropyl/water as well as trying the No PEst STrips I saw gimmicked somewhere here.:wtf:

Any thoughts on whether Safe Neem or something close to that has any effect on root uptake or growth?

Some pics of current soon I hope if I can draw them out of my monkey's imagination, which of where is how I get this stuff anyway. *disclaimer:hippy:

[greenracer]

To fully answer,

Working off 500 ppms conversion. Part A has 3.7-0-0 and B is 2.5-2.2-5.7. Voodoo has none, just a bubblegum supplement with no NPK.

B-52 is 2-1-4.

Wow I'm on a roll here!

So the last formula was:

Advanced Nutrients' Nutrient Calculator - Analyze Soil Chemistry and Plant Nutrient Levels for Your Hydroponic or Indoor Garden. (http://www.advancednutrients.com/nutcalc3public/nutrient_calculator.html)

Make sure to put in Sensi 2 Part, Veg, then you can find all the info out on my last grow there.

I also have some CalMax sitting around if that helps, been itching to use it.

NEW GROW is off the labels, so I did his (putting in only A + B tonight from same for now, can change this at any time BTW) which comes off the LABEL of the respective products, hitting the low side of things on all parts, is this:

A + B 60ml
ME Tea 100ml
B-52 30 ml
Sensizym 150 ml
Voodoo 240 ml
Carboload (suggestion from another site, helps the beneficial bacteria thrive *cough* 60ml

Muchas gracias and bluntos tardes, I needa toka

[greenracer]

PH not rising so much this time around, but really was a roller coaster the first grow when I used the nute calc.

[Weedhound]

Yeah....you've got too much candy and not enough base nutes. Also everything you listed had nitrogen in it and I think that's where that is coming from as well. I'd cut your nutes way back and stick with the basics.

....you said you have already.

If you are using tap water you shouldn't need CalMag.....it's really to be used with RO and/or distilled.

I think you've got the idea that more is better....and a hell-of-a-lot is best. I just don't think that's true in hydro......or in other things necessarily either. ;)

Good luck. :jointsmile:

[greenracer]

Cool thanks 'hound. I did go through the first one trying to just barely burn the tips the whole time, with that exact attitude. Why not, it's a weed right? But so much more...

anyway, I flushed for 36 hours (on the feeding schedule of 4 X in 18 hours) and then just went with base A + B. Nothing too big to note but it's only been 18 hours since. I will update with pics, probably tomorrow on that one.

Do you think I might be feeding too often? The rocks are moist by the time the next feed occurs right now. So after 4 hours they are moist from about 1 inch down. 15 min feed cycle.


I checked dejayou30's grows, not too far off from my own there. I do top these ladies a few times during the veg process, enough to put out some fat bushes. That seems to be the only difference. Oh and filling the res with rocks, I need a darn lid for the res to cut out having to use so many rocks.

[Weedhound]

I see hydroton....is that your only medium? Sorry if you said that already but I missed it.

[greenracer]

There are some 1in rockwool cubes in there from cloning, but yes mainly hydrotron. I switched to neoprene for the 3rd, which is doing it's thing under the MH and some CFLs right now.

[Weedhound]

I'm afraid I honestly don't know the answer to your question.....i alway thought hydroton was a good medium to water 24/7 with....airy.....doesn't hold water......so I'm not sure about your E and F. Sorry. :(

[dejayou30]

Your pictures in the first post scream nitrogen toxicity to me, just judging by the color of the leaves. Your application seems technical to me since I'm a n00b so I can't really give any more input. Sorry! :jointsmile:

[greenracer]

Thanks dejayou30. I'll let you know when I make it to your side of the pond, I've always wanted to check Wales out.

Anyway, pics from current... hope this helps and if we get rolling good I'll start a new thread to track what hopefully is a good one...

*disclaimer: this is all legal according to the late Johnny Cochran and a few Supreme Court justices I think but who knows if they're right either I mean what is right or wrong or even left of sideways?

[greenracer]

These are running on 5ml/L of Jumpstart with a little 360 sprayer going 24/7. Got some rooted and growing in the next post. These have been 24/7 on light for 2 weeks or so, now are 18/6 to see if they can boost. I really don't have much for roots. Will get pics of that in later posts. Interesting to see since I've done rockwool until now...

[greenracer]

And what's under the 400W MH. I have stated temps before. This has a 30L res going with:

25ml A + B
30ml B-52
11ml Sensizym
25ml Voodoo

I got these from the Advanced catalog endorsed by Ed Rosenthal and then divided it basically in half to stay light.

[Weedhound]

Sorry.....again I got lost as to the actual question.....but the ones in your upper photo (post # 19) are overnuted looking for sure. I'm not familiar with your brand of nutes but if they were my plants I would have them on no more than 400 (@700 conversion) and no additives until they looked much healthier.

[greenracer]

Yeah, the actual question. I keep forgetting myself. I guess it's "how do I do this better?" I'm just a confused noob that knows something isn't quite right.

I went with your suggestion, am feeding only 50ml A + B in 30L or so of water. Reading 420 PPMs (no shite) right now, so we'll see from here.
I still spray them with the 50/50 99% Isopropyl when they wake up. I haven't seen any live bugs in 2 days since starting that and adding the No Pest Strips, but I do see many eggs that are waiting to hatch, so I'm hitting them daily when they wake and then about 12 hours later.

I lost a clone in the middle set of pics under the MH light. Too early of a transfer I believe. Just shrivled up on me overnight. So I'm ready to kill that one off but the rest are well so hopefully only one funeral this grow.

My sucess with clones sucks anyway, around 40% make it which really makes me want to... well learn I guess. I have the new cloner above that is spinning the nutes around inside and I'm hoping they will all make it. Hope!

[greenracer]

Just checked the PPMs in the smaller veg tray that has the 400MH, they were 800! Watered it down to 400 there as well. Again, nutes added to 30L of water were:

25ml A + B
30ml B-52
11ml Sensizym
25ml Voodoo

I'm thinking the B has a good amount of stuff in it. Also, I'm relatively sure I put about 30ml of the ME Tea in it as well but have to wait a few hours to get in and check my notes...

I hope I'm not jumping around too much here. Anyone think I should transition this to a grow report at this point??? What would be most Kosher?

*I declare this disclaimer to be dependent on discretion... This is all from a great imagination. I really don't have a monkey, either. But I do have a dog and he is mostly wolf and well he don't take too kindly to strangers...

[greenracer]

Oh and a correction, the clones are going on 1ml of Jumpstart per L. Total of 10 L, so 10ml and Ph is 5.8 in there. Stays consistent.

[Weedhound]

Your numbers jumping from 400-800 means they want more water and less nutes....maybe drop number to 300 and see?

Wish I could help you more with the bug issues but the only thing I really know how to do is spray Fox Farms Don't Bug Me on things. Never really had a bug problem so can't really address symptoms or treatments.

I DO think you are better off with a good bug spray (organic....safe to use until harvest) than the alcohol.

Less is more! Chant this several times a day. :D Good luck.

[greenracer]

I knew that came off wrong. I changed the nutes on the other veg chamber, the one with the MH has the very small transplants. I had the nutes at 800 because, of course, I didn't check the PPMs thinking they should be the same. Way wrong with the addition of the tea and all. So they are back to 400. Just add water!

The nutes in the other one (1000W HPS) are being sucked up, down to 350 in 2 days after having it at 420. Ph rises to 6.1 after a few feedings (up from 5.6-7) . The MH chamber gets up to 5.8 from 5.6.

My apologies for the confusion. Less is more. Less is more. Lesbo whores. (my plants, no offense to real lesbo whores) Less is more.

Man I really did have a tough time with the less is more thing the first grow, wanted to just burn the shit out of the plants I suppose. This is way less and man they are getting better already.

[greenracer]

So here are some new pics.

First we have what is under the 1000w HPS. 350PPMs right now, 5.6-6.0 Ph. Temps ranging from 65-85 right now. RH is 25-53%. Notice the last pic of my retard. This seems to happen to the NLs only. Just looks cancerous to me...

After that is the clone room, same temps, 60 PPMs in the cloner. Couple of new clones from the veg room, then the originals that have not rooted in 2 weeks. The one with roots didn't make it in the transition to the veg chamber, so I'm nursing it back. If it makes it, ok, but no big hopes considering it probably won't turn out too much I don't think.

Last is the real veg chamber, only 4 remain in there and I'm hoping to put a few more in by the end of the week but hopes are low considering the lack of root growth in the clone area. It's running 450 ppms, 5.6-5.8 ph.

Any suggestions?

[greenracer]

Clones

[greenracer]

Veg chamber. After the main grow flips to 12/12, this will be the spot for all major vegging.

[Weedhound]

Looks like you have a lot of nice setups there.....pretty cool. :thumbsup:

If the plants are eating your numbers down you can probably up the number a little....keep an eye and make sure the numbers don't start RISING on you.

I think they do look better.....your northern lights looks a little....chewed....but is young enough to recover well (if she decides to recover) so I'd watch her for awhile and see if she starts to grow again.

Clones.....I am clueless with clones so cannot offer anything there. I'm just starting on my first practice clones myself.....so far none have made it.....so I'm pretty sure you don't need any help from me there! :(

[Weedhound]

I do remember Stinky mentioning to me that nitrogen can inhibit clone development so that makes me wonder about your (very) nitrogen rich plants and perhaps why you are having rooting issues.

[stinkyattic]

I'm just popping in for the firsts time but yes, indeed excessive nitrogen will inhibit rooting- the VERY simplified version of what the NPK is for... N=leaves. P=Roots n buds. K=Immune system and flowering. Don't give plants Nitrogen while they are still rooting; it makes them want to grow leaves instead. All they need is hormone and water at that point, and taking cuts off a plant that has been given a LOT of N recently also isn't all that great.

[Weedhound]

:). Stinkster....can you give a bug report? See any bug issues in the photos?

[stinkyattic]

Can't see evidence of buggies but you've got some N overdose going on fo sho.

[grey1223]

When I started out cloning I had a hard time at first. Are your cuttings from Moms or Flowering plants. Clones from moms root easier than clones from flowering plants. I cloned from flowering plants for a few years and now use moms.

Also, I've used several methods to root clones. Used a couple of cloning machines EZ cloner etc... But I have great success rooting in Pro-Mix HP, which is my growing medium also. Just dip in rooting solution and insert into 18oz cups. I mist them a few times during first few days and within 10 days they are rooted and ready for a 20% nutrient solution.

[greenracer]

The clones were taken from a mom, who was cared for like a red headed stepchild. So many bugs, man, I'm not sure how my friend does it. So many eggs, so many eggs.......

Anyway, I take them home and treat them well and they routinely shit on me, while he has darn near 100% success doing the same things I do (so he says).

I use the Jumpstart for the clones, which doesn't give an NPK. I'll try anything, just tell me which way to bend on that one.

No live buggies left, that's for sure. But I see many eggs, not sure what to look for as far as ones that won't make it. I've done Safer Neem 3 times now (2 day treatments separated by 5-7 days) but still saw some crawling after that. The 50/50 99% seems to kill them well. I can see a few per viewing area (30x), now I see less, all deader than sh*t. I have to look for them now. But I'm checking them darn near constantly for those creeps.

Looking back, I probably took the clones from an N rich plant. But there is no asking, my buddy doesn't know jack. He really just feeds them miracle grow in an aeroponic solution. Yeah don't ask. His quality and yield are embarrasing to us all.

Thanks for the props on the setups, I got a new chop saw for Christmas...

Also, that retard plant will make it. Guaranteed. I had one go last time all the way, about 10-20% less yield but it did have nice nuggs and everyone told me they were great.... I wouldn't know personally. I had 17 others to smoke then.

However, I think you all have it right. I'm seeing too much N from overnuting. Guess the N hit them hardest. Backed off 2 days with water (this is a summary of the steps taken so far) and then went to 420 ppms. Down to 350 ppms now after about 36 hours. Will check tonight to find out where we stand.

Stinky, thanks for that little breakdown of the NPK, I've never seen it explained that way. Tre cool.

Well back to work/school/grow/life.... I'll get back when something changes or blows up in there.

I'm thinking about getting a lid for my other 3 x 3 grow (parked next door) and going with a drip inside the tray. I'll have 7 or 10 plants in there, so I might just go with a constant drip, lid suspending pots, and nice little hat covers for them like I see others have. I have laid mylar over the balls before but that just sucks, tough to clean. Also a much quiteter change out than digging through those balls in a plastic container. Ping ping.

[greenracer]

The clones were taken from a mom, who was cared for like a red headed stepchild. So many bugs, man, I'm not sure how my friend does it. So many eggs, so many eggs.......

Anyway, I take them home and treat them well and they routinely shit on me, while he has darn near 100% success doing the same things I do (so he says).

I use the Jumpstart for the clones, which doesn't give an NPK. I'll try anything, just tell me which way to bend on that one.

No live buggies left, that's for sure. But I see many eggs, not sure what to look for as far as ones that won't make it. I've done Safer Neem 3 times now (2 day treatments separated by 5-7 days) but still saw some crawling after that. The 50/50 99% seems to kill them well. I can see a few per viewing area (30x), now I see less, all deader than sh*t. I have to look for them now. But I'm checking them darn near constantly for those creeps.

Looking back, I probably took the clones from an N rich plant. But there is no asking, my buddy doesn't know jack. He really just feeds them miracle grow in an aeroponic solution. Yeah don't ask. His quality and yield are embarrasing to us all.

Thanks for the props on the setups, I got a new chop saw for Christmas...

Also, that retard plant will make it. Guaranteed. I had one go last time all the way, about 10-20% less yield but it did have nice nuggs and everyone told me they were great.... I wouldn't know personally. I had 17 others to smoke then.

However, I think you all have it right. I'm seeing too much N from overnuting. Guess the N hit them hardest. Backed off 2 days with water (this is a summary of the steps taken so far) and then went to 420 ppms. Down to 350 ppms now after about 36 hours. Will check tonight to find out where we stand.

Stinky, thanks for that little breakdown of the NPK, I've never seen it explained that way. Tre cool.

Well back to work/school/grow/life.... I'll get back when something changes or blows up in there.

I'm thinking about getting a lid for my other 3 x 3 grow (parked next door) and going with a drip inside the tray. I'll have 7 or 10 plants in there, so I might just go with a constant drip, lid suspending pots, and nice little hat covers for them like I see others have. I have laid mylar over the balls before but that just sucks, tough to clean. Also a much quiteter change out than digging through those balls in a plastic container. Ping ping.
WOW. Res ph spiked to 6.5 overnight. HELLLLLP!

[greenracer]

Didn't mean to quote that last one. Geesh I should take a class or something.

[Weedhound]

If something blows up we DEFINITELY want some photos....

[Weedhound]

That happen to be the set that you had at 800ppms for awhile? A rising ph is a pretty normal reaction to nuteburn.....often your very first sign....long before you will see burning in the leaves (well not long.....a day maybe.....;))

Bring it back down and keep an eye on the "trend". If they WERE burned it should start to return to normal after a day or two on lower strength nutes.

[greenracer]

I wish it were the 800ppm one, but that one is steady as a rock at 450, no more than a .2 Ph rise over the course of 18 hours (5 feedings now, balls really dry out in that area).

The ph rise was in what we call the Phase Three Area. Clones being One and the real veg area (800ppm) being Two. We're really into codes and acronyms around here.:pimp: I think someone has some military background or something:hippy:

Anyway, that is the one where we had the most problems. Retards, all that. Same place. I didn't even let them get a feed in, just went ahead and began to manually water (using watering bucket) to flush whatever might have stayed up there down to the bottom. Going to water for the rest of this 18 hour period, then back on nutes tomorrow and we'll see. :jointsmile:

I noticed that the nutes looked really cloudy today. :wtf: AN does some funny stuff when mixed, but I didn't want to chance anything. I thought perhaps the 50/50 alcohol solution got in there and might have affected things:mad:, waddyathink? :stoned:

[Weedhound]

Did you spray this solution on the leaves? Hmmmm......that could do it I suppose but I'm not positive.....if it IS due to that it should drop back to normal (and what I mean by that is actually stop rising) within in a day or two. If it stays the same or the ph rises even more quckly etc....you may have a different problem.

Do you use H202 or a "zyme" product for your roots?

[greenracer]

I used Sensizym until I noticed the problem.

The solution did get onto the hydrotron when sprayed onto the bottoms of the leaves...

[Weedhound]

IF you had any Sensizym in your res when you sprayed I wonder if you killed off some enzymes......as I said you should keep an eye and see how the trend goes.

I'm just not sure isoprpyl alcohol is a proper treatment for bug eggs here....and am wondering if that is doing more harm than good as well. Can you get a photo of these bug eggs?

[greenracer]

I bet I did kill off enzymes.

Am back on water, as something was definitely up. Ph for one, ran up to 6.5 overnight. Back to water, which was at 6.0, 2 feedings later (8 hours) is at 6.5 again. What the heck?

Also, not sure about getting pics. Eggs look small, round, a little cloudy, and dead bugs sometimes pop out of them.

Check this link:

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And go to the two-spotted spider mite pic. My problem wasn't that bad, but the picture looks very familiar

[Weedhound]

You think they are spider mites? You're in for a BIIIIG fight. I'd stop spraying your plants with the alcohol and stick to stuff made specifically for plants.

I would also put them back on your nute solution......but in half strength for a few days. Keep an eye....again.....on trends.....does the ph seem to be getting better, worse, same?

When you're plants are stressed or something is going on that you are not sure of......my best advice would be to pull back your lights and drop your nute level by aboutr 1/3 to 1/2 until you can figure the issue out. Too many big changes....today water....tomorrow back to nutes and back and forth......will stress the plants out by itself. ;)

[greenracer]

Sorry for not getting back, but I've made a journey or two and am going to start new. Turns out the clones themselves were S-H-!-T. Just horrible according to someone who knows way more than I. Not knocking anyone here, seen a lot here, still going to post my new grow, but kill this thread, as nothing really worked. NL is doing ok and will try to keep it going but am giving up on the BB and will show everyone why soon......... Wow is all I can say at this point. A goooooood wow. Look for the muli-grow coming to a forum near you all soon!

Thank you all so much. I did learn a lot but it's time to stop being such a rookie...:stoned:

[Weedhound]

Best of luck in your next grow!! :thumbsup: :)