Barack Obama is the AntiChrist

[GodBud]

There is wide speculation that Barack Obama is being compared to as the AntiChrist the bible references. Particulary in Revelations 13. Regarding what you have learned about the second coming, do you think there is any correlation between the two? What are your thoughts?

Peace

This question is for those of you who believe in the bible.

[Ghengis Chron]

I've never read the bible...please...include specifically just what you think says Obama is the antichrist. I'de be interested to know. I'm really trying to bite my lip on this thread...I just wanna see what you're basing this claim on.

[psteve]

There can only be one antichrist.

[trynagethigh]

i agree 100%

[killerweed420]

If you read the bible its fairly clear that the anti-christ isn't a person,its a group. And it was already there during christ's time. Some religion sects believe its the beginnings of the roman catholic church.

[EvIL bLuE YoShI]

There is wide speculation that Barack Obama is being compared to as the AntiChrist the bible references. Particulary in Revelations 13. Regarding what you have learned about the second coming, do you think there is any correlation between the two? What are your thoughts?

Peace

This question is for those of you who believe in the bible.

people who push this are dumb. What they are saying is that he is so perfect that he must be the anti-christ.

[SFGurrilla]

Lol. I almost made a post about this the other day.

[Innominate]

What does it mean to be the "Anti-Christ?" Some philosophers believed both Jesus Christ and the Anti-Christ to be the same person.

[zeitgeist]

LOL, those philsophers are retards

But even if Obama was the anitchrist(which i strongly doubt) I dont care cause I know where Im going:)

[Ghengis Chron]

Why does that make you retarded? Personally, I think anyone who reads the bible for its literal sense...is an idiot.

[killerweed420]

Why does that make you retarded? Personally, I think anyone who reads the bible for its literal sense...is an idiot.
Are you supposed to read it for its fantasy then?
I'm an athiest but I read the different versions of the bible just so I can have some sort of an understanding what the different religious sects are talking about. Pretty boring reading buts important to know what there argument is.

[Coelho]

What does it mean to be the "Anti-Christ?" Some philosophers believed both Jesus Christ and the Anti-Christ to be the same person.


LOL, those philsophers are retards


Why does that make you retarded?

Well... the basical premisse of logic is that if something is something, it cant also be its opposite. Or it IS something, or it ISNT something.
Supposing that the anti-Christ be the opposite of Christ (what is strongly suggested by its very naming), then they simply cant be the same.

[psteve]

Well... the basical premisse of logic is that if something is something, it cant also be its opposite. Or it IS something, or it ISNT something.
Have you looked at the U.S. government lately? :wtf::wtf::wtf::D:wtf:

[THClord]

If Obama is the antichrist, than what is Hillary?

[psteve]

If Obama is the antichrist, than what is Hillary?
The Auntie-christ.

[Iambreathingin]

Well the bible is similar to the story of Buddha, in which he himself discovers the negative and opposite side to himself, called "Mara".

I think what the bible means by anti-christ is an example of what the opposite to christ himself would do.

In any case, claiming he's the anti christ is just a way for hillary to win the votes of the ignorant racist and fanatical christians that inhabit many parts of america.

Not to generalize. ;)

[Ghengis Chron]

Are you supposed to read it for its fantasy then?
I'm an athiest but I read the different versions of the bible just so I can have some sort of an understanding what the different religious sects are talking about. Pretty boring reading buts important to know what there argument is.

I don't need some thousand year old book to tell me how to be a good person. If I needed an institution to tell me how to be a good person, I'de be a jainist.

[melodious fellow]

I don't need some thousand year old book to tell me how to be a good person. If I needed an institution to tell me how to be a good person, I'de be a jainist.


I've never read the bible...please...include specifically just what you think says Obama is the antichrist. I'de be interested to know. I'm really trying to bite my lip on this thread...I just wanna see what you're basing this claim on.


Personally, I think anyone who reads the bible for its literal sense...is an idiot.




You seem to be reassuring yourself a lot when Godbud specifically said for those that believe in the bible...

I don't usually take the bible in the literal sense either, and I do not think Obama is the anti-christ.

[bluebird]

If Obama is the Anti-Christ, StinkyAttic is a DEA narc. Oh, and "Elvis didn't do no drugs." :cool:

We just know those statements aren't true.

(bonus points if you can quote what fairly recent television show that quote is from) :jointsmile:

[stinkyattic]

This has been coming up a lot recently: Respect for other religions and cultures.

We really need to tone down the very strong language that other members of other faiths will be upset by. With over 90,000 members, it's important to be gentler in our discussions about organized, and even disorganized, religions.

This is a site where medical marijuana patients are encouraged to come and learn... no matter WHAT their faith. Please don't drive them away with harsh words.

I've removed a couple posts from this thread.

[psteve]

This has been coming up a lot recently: Respect for other religions and cultures.

We really need to tone down the very strong language that other members of other faiths will be upset by. With over 90,000 members, it's important to be gentler in our discussions about organized, and even disorganized, religions.

This is a site where medical marijuana patients are encouraged to come and learn... no matter WHAT their faith. Please don't drive them away with harsh words.

I've removed a couple posts from this thread.
Thank you!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
We should all think of faith as a color.
We don't tolerate racism here, so why would we allow religion bashing?
Making fun of the candidates is one thing, but when we start calling whole cultures or groups stupid, or belittling each others beliefs, we cross the line.

[GodBud]

Its cool reading all the different perspectives. Somewhere there has to be a compromise, with each having their valid points right wrong or indifferent.

Peace

[Diffusion]

People are still taking the Bible literally these days? :wtf:

[zeitgeist]

Yes. Is that a problem?

[Readytoride08]

Obama isn't the anti-christ but mabye the setup for the anti-christ!This is right up my alley I have family in the Middle East.Has to say we don't know what color he or she will be or "what"the anti-christ is until its too late.

For those of you who don't know the anti-christ will rise to power by peace.Pepole speculate Isreal is going to bomb Iran to disarm them like they did Saddan in 1983.This would send the world in WWIII and we would have to help,on top of the facts the storms across America will get stronger!I believe the major world currency will just fall and shatter to peaces.No oil,No grocies,Anarchy,Chaos!!He will arise by uniting the world for a global cuase!!He will have a false prophet pepole speculate will be the next roman pope or some Islam extremnest,NO ONE KNOWS.I mean someting big is coming our way,the world isn't the way it was.We are growing apart instead of growing together.God is love,grow togther that is true meaning of God :-)

[Ghengis Chron]

You seem to be reassuring yourself a lot when Godbud specifically said for those that believe in the bible...

I don't usually take the bible in the literal sense either, and I do not think Obama is the anti-christ.

I just kind of got pulled into this thread. I tried to avoid it....but will is too weak

[chrons]

The GOVERNMENT IS the anti-christ....don't you all see.....gah

[Ghengis Chron]

Actually the television is the anti-christ.

[daihashi]

I mean someting big is coming our way,the world isn't the way it was.We are growing apart instead of growing together.

It's funny. The world seems to have a history of humans coming together and then growing apart or coming into conflict, growing apart and then coming back together.

ie: The Romans... Fall of the Roman Empire
The US Civil War before/after
WWI and WWII
etc etc......

So by that statement I would have to say the world is exactly the way it's always been. heh :thumbsup:

[dragonrider]

Here is a good guide for how to live your life: Before you take any action or do anything at all, always think about it first, and in any given situation ask yourself, "What would the Anti-Christ do?"

Then do the opposite.

That's what I do, and I'm sure that is what Obama does. He's not the Anti-Christ, and neither am I.

[Coelho]

I dont know if it was already said, but im almost sure that this rumours that Obama is the anti-Christ are being spread by his oppositioners only to take votes from him.
He is not good enough (or rather bad enough) to be the anti-Christ.

[Readytoride08]

I dont know if it was already said, but im almost sure that this rumours that Obama is the anti-Christ are being spread by his oppositioners only to take votes from him.
He is not good enough (or rather bad enough) to be the anti-Christ.

I'd agree,I think he's a puppet someone is controlling damn good.Mabye....former gov.....RAY MABUS?!I am starting to think the Anti-Christ will most likley be some crippled,one eyes,old guy.I mean think about it,the Anti-Christ will be someone you will NOT expect.He is most likley to apear somewere around the Middle East,World Uion(Such has U.N.,Eueropeon Uion..ect.)or through poor people.

OR Mabye the Anti-Christ will NOT BE of this Earth.Let's think about it,he'll have a wounded head.And everyone WILL worship him,execpt the believers of God.WHAT IF......Globel uphieval lead to Anarchy and overtrowing of the Governments.Then the skys open and UFO's touch down and low and behold a alien claiming he is God,The Islamic and Jews will NOT take a mortal has there Mudii and the Messiah.

But I feel before the end of this year OR sometime NEXT many things will come out and this puzzle will be finished.The question is,what will you do when you figure out?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

the roman catholic chruch destroyed any religious texts contrary to their bible, i mean no offence, but i find it hard to swallow a bible made of blood, fire, and hate.

how can it contain prophecies if it doesnt include the full story?

[DaBudhaStank]

Nah, the ANTICHRIST isn't gonna be ONE PERSON..that's another lie that the Roman Catholic church likes to throw at you..just like how they tell you Mary was a virgin..she had sex with Joseph, she wasn't a VIRGIN. Jesus was the "SON OF DAVID", he was Solomon reincarnated.

You have to understand Matthew 1:1 and matthew 22:41-46 to know.

I'll get more into this topic if someone responds...but back to the "ANTICHRIST"

America and Europe TOGETHER are the ANTICHRIST. Infact, there were many antichrists. America is the modern day BABYLON or SPIRITUAL EGYPT..and the mark of the beast system will come to pass IN AMERICA...through the VERICHIP

That RFID MICROCHIP is the mark of the beast, that's prophecy coming true, since we are in the end times right now. America is the antichrist.

The leaders of Europe and America have the antichrist in their spirit, they are the WICKED that the Bible speaks of. The WICKED went around enslaving people, colonizing, leaving an astronomical debt, pushing their economic system world wide, and giving THEIR SOLUTIONS on these 3rd world nations poverty, devalueing their currency more and more, making them import more goods than they can possibly export.

Spiritually America is Egypt and Sodom and Gomora, built on the backs of the slaves, home of lawlessness, homosexuals are allowed to marry, adopt children, abortion is allowed, discrimination and racism is STILL rampant, so it's clear that like Sodom and Gamora, America TOO shall face her destruction, VERY SOON

America will be destroyed through a thermal nuclear war. If you read the final chapters of revelations and you have not yet figured out that it was speaking in GREAT DETAIL about America's destruction...then you're not a so-called Christian, you're just LOST man.

You have to "READ" the bible NOT LIKE A STORY BOOK, but you have to READ BETWEEN THE LINES, draw paralells to TODAY, you must know how to CONNECT THINGS, because it's all so blatantly obvious.

If any of you have any questions/comments I would love to answer them.

I like this topic, so let's keep it going shall we?

You sound awfully sure of yourself my friend. I didn't know that allowing gay's equal rights was so wicked. But gee, I could have sworn THAT was discrimination. And you're lucky I'm not George Bush, or you'd SO be getting liberated right now for all that "destruction of America" stuff.

[DaBudhaStank]

Daal....I know I'm gonna get in trouble for this, with at least a deletion of my post but likely a temporary or permaban, but you are waaaaaaaaaay fucked up man. Your post has honestly scared the shit out of me, not because of all the bullshit prophecies and relgious psycho-babble you were relentlessly spewing, but because you're so positive, so sure you were right. I'm not sure if you're a racist, a bigot, a super-crazy christian, a right-wing fundamentalist, striving and burning for attention, or just plain fuckin' crazy, but either way, please do yourself and the rest of the gene pool a favor and remove yourself from it as soon as possible. I don't say that for any personal satisfaction, but just for the benefit of us all.

Just one last question before this goes rapidly downhill.....is the bible completely accurate and infallable? and if so, why? I've found "why" is the worst possible question you can ask when it comes to religion.

[illnillinois]

AGREED, he is the one.

[DaBudhaStank]

Oi.....forget it.

[Mr. Clandestine]

What was so offensive about what I said? The truth hurts dont it?

It's not what you said, but rather how you said it that people will find offensive.

I'm a Christian, and a fairly devout one at that. So as someone who has studied scripture, I feel I can elaborate on a few points better than someone who has not. Many of the old laws that you spoke of were actually negated by Jesus, but not the Ten Commandments. Moses' law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament, which regulated sacrifices, rituals, priesthood, food and drink offerings, and so on. Don't forget the other law of Moses that stated something like "these laws shall stand till the seed should come," and by 'seed', Moses was referring to Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross, these "old laws" were most certainly negated while the Ten Commandments were strengthened.

Jesus said that He didn't come to abolish the law, but to uphold it. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law. ... I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. ... Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." (Matthew 5:17, 18.) Sin, after all, is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4)

So, while homosexuality is not approved of in the Bible, the law to stone them (or any other person for any other reason) is no longer valid, and is irresponsible to suggest. Nothing in the Bible serves as an entitlement for unhappiness at the hands of your fellow man, as you suggest the Bible does towards gays. Judgment is reserved for us, by God, and not shouldn't be dished out by us, lest we be judged. While I don't agree that gays should be married in the traditional sense by a preacher or person of God, I disagree that they shouldn't be allowed civil unions, or otherwise having the right to live their lives like any other human being.

So while I respect you for at least taking the time to actually read the Bible, which seems to be a lost art these days, I have to ask that you don't take things out of context for the sake of displaying your Bible knowledge. Such as telling "so-called Christians" that they are wrong if they believe that Jesus fulfilled the prophecies of the Old Testament AND negated Moses' old laws. Or making a mockery of those "so-called Christians" for believing that we ARE saved by grace, by which our adherence to the NT laws are happily obliged. "Love is the fulfilling of the law." Romans 13:10.

[Mr. Clandestine]

I hope I cleared a lot up for you SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS. i call you people SO-CALLED christians for a REASON man, because so many of you are blind to the truth. THIS IS the truth, and NOTHING BUT the truth.

The only thing you have made clear is that you have an alternate interpretation of the scriptures... you have an almost fanatical disdain for non-Israelites... and you can conveniently paint a picture of the lack of salvation for the Gentiles by asking yourself many questions, then redundantly answering them. So, if only the Israelites were meant to be saved by grace, then what hope do non-Israelites have? Salvation through works? Doesn't that lead to pride? Or are you trying to say that the entire purpose of the Old and New Testaments are only meant to pertain to Israel and her people... and all other followers of the Word will be lost, regardless of efforts they make to be saved?

I'd really like to try and understand what in the world you're trying to say with these quaint interpretations, but either it needs to be done in your own thread (so as not to further derail this one), or you can check your User CP and discuss some things with me via email. Either way, I don't think it's the "so-called" Christians with a distorted worldview, but rather those that think they have all the answers, when the Bible states that only God has all the answers, and we have His Word.

[chrons]

Daal Curry Suprise..........I just feel bad for you, I'll leave it at that..

[DaBudhaStank]

Well sucks for Daal....as far as I know we don't have any ancient Israelites on the forums so...I think he's screwed as well.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Daal: See that set of scales at the top-right corner of our posts? Click on the scales on my post and send me an email address that I can write to. PM's aren't functional in this forum.

[DaBudhaStank]

So let me just make sure I understand this correctly Daal. I wasn't born in Israel, and to the best of my knowledge I have no blood ties to Israel whatsoever. Therefore, I'm shafted. Correct?

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

man, im getting sick of people treating the bible as the word of GOD. IT IS FAR FROM IT!

how can it be when, as i stated before, the roman catholic church burned libraries simply because they contained such things as gnostic texts, and pagan works?! they attempted to snuff out all contrary spiritual writings so that everyone would more or less be forced to swallow their version, furthermore when the bible is, and was written by hands of man, where in hte world did GOD play in?!?

they were using religion as a form of control, just like many other religions!

the original Judiasm, the faith jesus put his life into, is not even taught anymore, so how can WE know what jesus ACTUALLY meant and wanted???

everything destroyed and not included in the bible can and probably would change just about every "prophecy".

JUST because you can quote the bible doesnt mean the bible can speak the word of god through you or anyone else.


YES, there are meaningful and important things written in the bible, and YES it is a good place to start on improving yourself in the world, but NO, it IS NOT ABSOLUTE.


in my most honest and heartfelt opinion, the bible thumpping offends me. be more creative and try to think for yourself please.


i am not trying to offend anyone, but for christ's sake, the bible isnt even the word of christ himself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (insert more exclaimation here)


lol actually i like this one:

put down the bible before someone gets hurt. :jointsmile:

didnt mean to be so harsh anyone, but dayum!

[texas grass]

daal you said everything you stated was the truth and not interperted

so where did this info come
now who are the saints? Israelites. Who are the Israelites? The so-called NEGROS, WEST INDIANS, and LATIN AMERICANS of theAmericas. People with Negroid/Indian descent..THEY are the lost 12 tribes of Israel.

Negros of America - TRIBE OF JUDAH
Negros of the Carribean - TRIBE OF BENJAMIN
Negros/Indians of Puerto Rico- TRIBE OF EPHIRIM
Negros of HAITI - TRIBE OF LEVI
Native Americans - TRIBE OF GAD.

and so on and so forth...it goes to all 12 tribes of Israel.


if you arnt isreally your in hell

im confused

[maxsuperdanks]

"As far as Sociology is concerned, we must either abandon our reason or abandon Christ. He is pre-eminently, the prophet of unreasonâ?? the preacher of rabble-rabies. All that is enervating and destructive of manhood, he glorifies, â??all that is self-reliant and heroic, he denounces. Lazarus, the filthy and diseased vagrant, is his hero of heroes; and Dives the sane, energetic citizen, is his 'awful' example of baseness and criminality. He praises the "humble" and he curses the proud. He blesses the failures and damns the successful. All that is noble, he pervertsâ?? all that is atrocious he upholds. He inverts all the natural instincts of mankind and urges us to live artificial lives. He commands the demonization of virtues that aggrandize a people, and advises his admirers to submit in quietness to every insult, contumely, indignity; to be slaves, de-facto. Indeed, there is scarce one thought in the whole of his Dicta that is practically true."

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

"As far as Sociology is concerned, we must either abandon our reason or abandon Christ. He is pre-eminently, the prophet of unreasonâ?? the preacher of rabble-rabies. All that is enervating and destructive of manhood, he glorifies, â??all that is self-reliant and heroic, he denounces. Lazarus, the filthy and diseased vagrant, is his hero of heroes; and Dives the sane, energetic citizen, is his 'awful' example of baseness and criminality. He praises the "humble" and he curses the proud. He blesses the failures and damns the successful. All that is noble, he pervertsâ?? all that is atrocious he upholds. He inverts all the natural instincts of mankind and urges us to live artificial lives. He commands the demonization of virtues that aggrandize a people, and advises his admirers to submit in quietness to every insult, contumely, indignity; to be slaves, de-facto. Indeed, there is scarce one thought in the whole of his Dicta that is practically true."
what if i am proud to be humble?

[RastaKaze]

Just because something is comforting, doesn't make it true............................

[DaBudhaStank]

Simple. Who were the saints? Were there any Gentile saints? Who were the prophets? Were there any Gentile prophets? God ordained Israelites as saints and prophets and KINGS, not Gentiles...the scripture in revelation spoke about "MYSTERY BABYLON" drunken off the blood of the Saints.

The Native Americans are a lost tribe of Israel..they are of the tribe of GAD. Is America not drunk off of their blood?

The so-called Negros of America are from the tribe of Judah, is America not drunk off the blood of their ancestors?

The Negros/Indians in Latin America and the Carribean as well were put into slavery, slaughtered, and punished continually...and to this day you have HATIANS (Tribe of LEVI) and HATIAN CHILDREN dying out there in Haiti...eating MUD CAKES.

Did the Bible not tell us the chosen people of God will be put in slave ships?

Deuteronomy 28:68 - And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by way whereof I spake unto thee, thou shalt see it no more again..and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for BONDMEN and BONDWOMEN

BOND MEN AND BOND WOMEN...the Israelites of the tribe of JUDAH were sold to the EDOMITES and enslaved..sold unto their enemies as bondmen and bondwomen.

This is referring to the "Negros" of the Latin Americas, Carribeans, and North America.

John the Revelator took a glimpse into the future..seen AMERICA..described her as a "GREAT CITY"..called America "MYSTERY BABYLON", called America "SPIRITUAL EGYPT" because it was built on the backs of slave labor, filled with wickedness and sin (transgression of the laws of the LORD), and to this day is a land inhabiting people of ALL nations of ALL tongues.

is that not the truth?

Revelations 17:15 - And he saith unto me the waters which thou sawest, were the WHORE sitteth, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.

John also called America the great "WHORE"..like a whore America too spreads her legs and invites all nations in..to reap her benefits of her thriving economy and lifestyle.

Was the Roman empire not destroyed? Was Egypt not destroyed? Was Sodom and Gamora not destroyed?

Why was Sodom and Gamora destroyed? Because it was a wicked city, just like the Roman Empire, and just like Egypt, and JUST LIKE America..aka..the modern day Babylon.

Were the slaves not brought to Egypt and brought OUT of Egypt? After that where were they sold? INTO THE AMERICAS. These very descendents of the slaves, and the descendents of the "INDIANS" who suffered GENOCIDE and RAPE in the Americas are all the lost 12 tribes of Israel.

The genocide, the slavery, the mockeries, the unjust treatment, the racism, all of these things are CURSES put on Israel, because their forefathers transgressed the laws of the Most High...so their DESCENDENTS payed for it.

The final chapters of revelations speak in GREAT DETAIL about AMERICA. You think AMERICA wouldn't be predicted in the Bible? This book is not to be messed with..the future is already written within it's pages..you just need to learn how to read between the lines, and the truth is so clear, so evident, so IN YOUR FACE.

Revelations 18:3 - For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication..and the KINGS OF THE EARTH have committed fornication with her.

That's right..KING ABDULLAH of Saudi Arabia committed fornication of America. All the great leaders of the world are committing "fornication" with America. America is influential to the whole world obviously.

Revelation 18:3- ...and the merchants of the EARTH are waxed rich through the ABUNDANCE of her delicasies

Is America not abundant in riches? Do you not boast of her wealth? Do the merchants of the entire planet Earth not get rich off America?

When America's going to be destroyed..these merchants will feel the "PINCH" so to speak as well...ESPECIALLY if America is destroyed. Out of all nations, AMERICA will make these merchants CRY once she's destroyed.

Thomas Jefferson edited HIS OWN BIBLE like the demon he is...and he OMITTED the entire chapter of Revelations from it. Now why is that so? This man obviously knew how to put 2 and 2 together..he knew how to read the Bible..that's why he omitted Revelations.

He knows it's talking about America. Revelations speaks of America being destroyed through nuclear war, or thermal nuclear destruction. It's not an interpertation, it's common sense. Read on...

2nd Peter 3:10 - But the day of the LORD will come as a THIEF IN THE NIGHT..in which the HEAVENS shall pass away with a great noise..

and the elements shall melt with FERVENT HEAT..the EARTH also and the words therin shall be BURNED UP.

SEEING THEN that all these things shall be dissolved, what man of persons are you to be? IN ALL HOLY CONVERSATION AND GODLIENESS.


The elements shall melt with FERVENT HEAT. What's that speaking about? You think God's going to just set America on fire? No..it's talking about the ICBM MISSILES..thermal nuclear destruction.

This is speaking about the day of the LORD..the day of JUDGEMENT..for America shall be judged for her abominations, and destroyed as well.

Revelations 17:1 - and upon her forehead is written MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, the mother of harlots, and abominations of the Earth.

Now why does this scripture say "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT" when describing America? Because to you so-called Christians..the book of REVELATIONS is a big MYSTERY to you. YOU DONT HAVE THE EYES nor the WISDOM to put two and two together, and SEE that this is speaking about AMERICA. That's why it's a big "MYSTERY".

where on the planet Earth TODAY would this scripture pertain to? America of course.

Revelation 18:21 - Thus with VIOLENCE shall that great city BABYLON be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.

America's going to be destroyed in teh future. She shall turn into a DESERT..a waste land. Take a match stick and strike it. You see how it gets after you blow the fire out? That's what America's going to look like.

And the only people that are going to be delivered from the destruction are ISRAELITES. You see the so-called UFO's flying around? You got all kinds of conspiracy theories as to what they are

They are the chariots of Israel. When America's going to be destroyed, the sky's going to FILL with these so-called UFO's..which are operated by the ANGELS of the LORD.

They are going to BEAM UP the lost 12 tribes of Israel out of the modern day Babylon..aka America. All the other nations are going to be destroyed.

Revelations 18:4-5: And I heard another voice from heaven saying come out of her MY PEOPLE (ISRAELITES), that ye be not partakers of her SINS, and that ye receive not of her PLAGUES.

Like I said before, what are America's future plagues going to be? Famine, Race wars, Riots, Death, Destruction, and ultimately, Nuclear destruction..according to the word of God.

Now I don't care if I get MOCKED for putting the truth out..I dont care how CRAZY IT SOUNDS, the PROPHETS were crazy back in the days..they were looked at as psychopaths/delusional nutjobs/mental cases.

Psalms 119:51 - The arragont mock me without restraint but I do not turn away from your law

I don't care if any of you think that's what I am..for ANYTHING that I have said..about the UFO's, about America's destruction, about the book of Revelations..because this is the truth.

Ezikiel 33 7:8 - For thou son of man I have sent a watchman onto the house of ISRAEL, therefore thou shall hear the word at my mouth and warn them from me.

All I'm doing is putting the truth out to ISRAELITES, to whom this pertains to. I don't care if I get mocked...if he has ears, let him hear, if he has eyes, let him see.

Call it "MY INTERPRETATION", mock me, argue with me, I could care less lol..I'm just telling you the truth. Take it or leave it.

Btw, it has already been written that NOBODY would even know the truth, except for a very select few ANYWAY..the ELECT..so I dont really care if you guys think I'm crazy, because you thinking im crazy has been prophecised as well..

Daniel 12:9 - And he said GO THY WAY DANIEL, for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the END

This word will never be understood until the END. None of you will get it until the END. And that's a beautiful thing too. :)

I don't care what "YOUR INTERPRETATION" is. You dont INTERPRET THE BIBLE..you either GET IT or you DONT

and if any of you GET IT..then please...do back up your knowledge with scriptures, the word of God, and not your ONLY your own.

Sooooo.........what makes all this true again? I'm still trying to figure that out. Is it because it's written in the bible, and therefore automatically true? Where is the reasoning behind this?

[DaBudhaStank]

LOL..first of all it has nothing to do with being born in Israel, it has to do with being of Jacob's seed..being part of the 12 TRIBES of Israel, and they are teh so-called Negros/Indians of the Americas.

There are also Israelites scattered all around the planet Earth in different nations..you have Israelites in Italy,that's why many sicilians have that WOOLY HAIR. You even have Israelites in India, in China, in Vietnam...

it all goes back to your FATHER's genes. if your FATHER was an Israelite, then you are an Israelite.

If you're not an Israelite, but are of another nation..then your future is captivity..for the nation of Israel.

Don't get "NATION OF ISRAEL" confused with the modern day Israel...the Zionists who established the state are not even ISRAELITES to begin with..they are Edomites..Amelechites to be precise.

The real ISRAELITES are the Negros/Indians of the Americas, they are the lost 12 tribes of Israel, speaking in different tongues, looking like their oppressors, conforming to different customs, descendents of slaves, oppressed historically and presently, and suffering.

The real Israelites are in POVERTY today.

Revelations 2:9 - I KNOW THY WORKS, TRIBULATION, and POVERTY (BUT THOU ART RICH)

That's speaking about the Israelites of the Americas, they're poor, all over Latin America, America, Carribeans, they're DYING out there, they worked hard all their lives but still are in poverty....but they are rich.

What makes them rich? This word, this knowledge...which a lot of them STILL don't have..only a select few.

That's why 2/3'rds of Israel will be destroyed when the missiles come, according to revelations. Only 12 thousand of all the 12 lost tribes of ISRAEL will be saved and delivered from the destruction.

Revelations 2:9 - and I know the BLASPHEMY of them which say they ARE JEWS and are NOT, but are the synagouge of Satan.

Who's going around saying they're Jews? The Amlechites..the European "Jews"..but they are not Israelites.

The Negros/Indians of the Americas call themselves anything BUT JEWS lol..so obviously this scripture isnt referring to THEM claiming they're Jews. THEY DONT EVEN KNOW THEY ARE ISRAELITES!!! that's the ironic part!

But if you are not part of the NATION OF ISRAEL, then you are going into captivity.

ISAAH 61:6 - YE SHALL EAT THE RICHES OF THE GENTILES, AND IN THEIR GLORY SHALL YE BOAST YOURSELVES

When the KINGDOM OF GOD is on EARTH..After ESAU's rule is over and done with, after the rule of the WICKED (present day) is over and done with, after the nuclear wars...GOD is going to appoint ISRAELITES as RULERS

And they are going to BOAST THEMSELVES in their GLORY. THEIR SUFFERING will not be in vain. THEY're suffering to this day. But they will soon rule over YOU after you're reincarnated back on this planet :)

Isaiah 14:1 - For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land

The Lord will have mercy on JACOB..and will yet choose ISRAEL

You have Catholics going around saying THEYRE the chose ones, you have Muslims saying that THEY're the chosen ones...but the LORD said AFTER ALL THE talk is over, after all the confusion going around this planet is OVER...he will YET CHOOSE ISRAEL

Isaiah 14:1 - and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

Who are the house of Jacob? Who are Jacob's Descendents? What did God change Jacob's name to? ISRAEL.

Who are the strangers? Strangers means people who aren't Israelites, aren't of the 12 tribes..they're from strange lands, different nations....so don't worry..YOU WILL BE JOINED WITH US :)...

Isaiah 14:2 - And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids

What does the word "POSSESS" mean? What does the word "SERVANT" mean? The house of Israel will POSSESS you..you will be their servents and handmaids, because you kept ISRAELITES (NEGROS/INDIANS OF THE AMERICAS) oppressed for so long, they suffered the curse of their forefathers for transgressing the law....

but when their punishment time is OVER, and when the rule of the WICKED is over...and when the KINGDOM OF GOD IS ON EARTH....you're going into captivity.

Isaiah 14:2 - and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

Who's ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel? The Ishmaelites (Arabs), the Elamites (east indians), the Edomites (caucasians) the Moabites (chinese) the Hammites (African AFRICAN, NOT "AFRICAN AMERICAN")...all of them in America aka BABYLON are reaping America's benefits.

-The presidents, the bankers, the people of ALL OTHER RACES the people who are into economics, making these people poorer, making them suffer (BUT GOD ORDAINED THEM TO DO THESE THINGS).

Israel will RULE over their OPPRESSORS. Hope I answered ya question on "WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE NON ISRAELITES" will be :)

ooooooooh ok, I get it now. I'm screwed because I'm not black or Native American, gotcha. Well damn, I didn't know that when I was being conceived that I was going to be forced into a life of slavery once the world comes to an end. So how come I had no say in any of this? How's that fair? The whole "sins of the father" business doesn't really fly with me.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

The Roman Catholic curch is a false idol. you have all the right commitment in all the wrong places.

Look not to the works of corrupt men, but to the true bible.

The WORD of god is not written or spoken, it is in the every action ofLIFE.
Nature is the true bible, Earth our true god, death, the true son of god.

the sun, our god's god, the unvierse, heven.

When we die, we return to the earth, and some day, when the earth is in the final days of it's life, it too will return to heven and conjoin withit's god at the center of the galaxy where thecycle starts anewwith new lessons to learn and new people.

Look to nature for the answers to life's questions, not to corrupt works of manipulative men.

[Esoteric416]

So, Daal. Are you an israelite? And if so hows it feel up there on your soap box?
To the best of my knowlege I'm not one of the chosen in any way and so I'll be punished for the sins of some unknown forefathers just because I had the misfortune to exist. Well if all this is the will of god then wasn't it his will that the israelites be enslaved in the first place?
And once they get their comupance and reign over us all will the cycle start again? Is that all the earth has to look forward to? An endless cycle of slaves and masters, is that gods plan for his children?
I guess every kid has his favorite toys huh.
Also how can anyone be so sure that their ancient collection of dusty papers is the right one, the one signed off on by the almighty? The bible, the torrah, the koran, the rig veddah (spelling?), the book of mormon, scientology, im sure there are many others that i'm woefully unaware of.
So i'm sure i can look forward to another of daal's longwinded posts to show me how wrong i am, but i think i'll live my life the same as i always have.
And just because i disagree with you doesn't mean i don't care about ya. Peace all. :D

[L Rag]

Thank you!:thumbsup::thumbsup:
We should all think of faith as a color.
We don't tolerate racism here, so why would we allow religion bashing?
Making fun of the candidates is one thing, but when we start calling whole cultures or groups stupid, or belittling each others beliefs, we cross the line.Can't really think of faith as a colour can we, cause there's nothing you can do to change your colour, it's part of who you are... but you don't HAVE to be christian or believe in a different religion or be atheist etc. its your choice. They're pretty different

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Coming from a man who knows nothing about the Bible.
coming from a boy who knows nothing about true spirituality, naturally.

it takes a boy to recite bullshit in the bible, but a man to know the difference.


no offence intended, but i do firmly believe that the truly spiritual content of the bible can be found everywhere, not just in the Roman Catholic Pharisees' book.

Just because a bunch of manipulative Romans wrote about god and jesus doesnt mean a lick of what they wrote is true or even in proper context to true reality.


I do believe the bible is useful when taken with a grain of salt, but not when it is promoted as absolute truth. could you PLEASE scale it back a bit daal? im sure you have a lot going on in your mind, but if you cant convince us with anything other than the bible, then you have NOTHING more to say.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

the creator and the creation are one and the same, do not forget this, Daal.

and when people who preach that people cant stand the truth, the preacher, too, cannot stand the truth. again, please remember that.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

If you actually took the time to READ MY POSTS instead of skimming through them..thinking I'm some Catholic, then maybe you would think a little differently of me.

I say it over and over, the CATHOLIC CHURCH IS CORRUPT and God is going to destroy them. THEM and every other "CHURCH" OUT THERE.

The REAL CHURCH is whrever the word of God is, it can be on the sidewalk.

Look I understand why you have your opinions of the Bible, that's because the people who shaped your opinions KNEW that their teachings were all bullshit

I know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH is something not even any "CHRISTIANS" would get neither. Like I said, I'm not preaching RELIGION, I'm preaching IDENTITY to ISRAELITES.

The Bible speaks of their IDENTITY and WHO THEY REALLY ARE..the secrets to the universe is all in the Bible, but these secrets will NEVER BE GIVEN to ANYBODY, especially if you're part of a organization (Jehovas wittness, Catholic, etc)

they're hideing the truth from you. The truth is more simple than it seems, and the truth pertains to ISRAELITES and only ISRAELITES..so all of you other people that don't care about it..GOOD! It doesn't pertain to you anyway.

I'm only posting for those who have interest, not to preach those that don't care. If you don't care then I'm GLAD you don't.
hahaha YAAAAY!!!! you misunderstand me, my friend.

you jsut came out and said it without using the damn bible as reference point. that's all i asked.


i jsut hate reading about paul 15:6947, roman 5823894:6238, and peter random # here:random # here. you dont need to quote the bible to point out the catholic corruption, just give an example of a catholic compared to, say, a wiccan, or bhuddist.


imsorry if i provokedyou much, but i just didnt see why it was so neccesary to include all the got dang scripture!

[hazetwostep]

first stalin was the anti-christ... then hitler... then saddam... now obama... i guess if people keep calling someone the anit-christ they are hoping to eventually get it right one time.

the entire book of revelation was not even originally accepted as scripture when the first unified Bible was decided upon... so the bible was made and then awhile later they were like... yeah lets throw it back in... even if i believe the bible i would probably have some strong doubts as to the wisdom of building theology off a book that didn't even make the first cut and had controversial authenticity.

that is just me though... i respect anyone's right to believe what they would like.

[JaySin]

So, Daal. Are you an israelite? And if so hows it feel up there on your soap box?
To the best of my knowlege I'm not one of the chosen in any way and so I'll be punished for the sins of some unknown forefathers just because I had the misfortune to exist. Well if all this is the will of god then wasn't it his will that the israelites be enslaved in the first place?
And once they get their comupance and reign over us all will the cycle start again? Is that all the earth has to look forward to? An endless cycle of slaves and masters, is that gods plan for his children?
I guess every kid has his favorite toys huh.
Also how can anyone be so sure that their ancient collection of dusty papers is the right one, the one signed off on by the almighty? The bible, the torrah, the koran, the rig veddah (spelling?), the book of mormon, scientology, im sure there are many others that i'm woefully unaware of.
So i'm sure i can look forward to another of daal's longwinded posts to show me how wrong i am, but i think i'll live my life the same as i always have.
And just because i disagree with you doesn't mean i don't care about ya. Peace all. :D

This is how I see it as well. What did the Isrealites do that they deserved their slavery? Now that they've been punished, they deserve to be on top again so they can have everyone else be their slaves? Then after that they will be slaves yet again because of the way they treated those who were being punished?

Why not do something to try and get us all to become one? Punish those who are evil and save those who are righteous? I'm a man who has love for all people. I see how the people in power are blind to the kind of suffering they cause and have no remorse because of it. Yet since there is nothing I can do about how they treat people, I'm suppose to be punished for it?

If God was all knowing, surely he would know of a better way to lead his people. Not by punishing them with cruelty and slavery.

I have some Native American ancestory. So does that mean I am saved? Although, that's only 12,000 of each tribe. So I could still be part of the righteous that are forced into a life of being treated cruel not because of coincidence, but because God thinks I deserve it.

When it comes down to it, the Bible was created by man. So how much of it is fully Gods word and not already interpreted only to be re-interpreted by someone like yourself?

[hazetwostep]

you are most thorough daal... i respect that

[angelwire]

Please.

First of all I am a former Christian who is very well versed in scripture so i believe I am qualified to answer this question.

I read in an earlier post that there was 1 antichrist. This is simply not true. Read the following passage from the book of 1 John and the Christian new Testament as a backdrop:

BibleGateway.com - PassageLookup: 1 John 2:18-27; (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%202:18-27;&version=31;)

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichristâ??he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised usâ??even eternal life.

I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeitâ??just as it has taught you, remain in him.

- end quote

A few highlights from this passage:
1. "many antichrists have come"
2. regarding them, "They went out from us"
3. "It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichristâ??he denies the Father and the Son." It tells us plainly that there are many antichrists and then defines how to tell who the antichrist is, the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. (Christ mean anointed one)
4. " I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray."
5. "This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us." Paul thought it was the last days because there was such a falling away from the faith, this was due to a group of people that was arguing against Jesus as Christ. This is WHO Paul defines as the Anti-Christ.

So, Anti-Christ is a position regarding the person of Jesus of Nazareth, and also a person who attempts to draw you away from belief that Jesus is the Christ. Will there be political and religious leaders who are enormously successful in leading people away from Christ? Absolutely. This may come a surprise to the reader, but those who do so are often doing so because of solid moral objections firmly grounded in rationalism.

As a former minister I spent an enormous amount of time in the bible during that 12 year period of my life. I was forced through the reading of scripture to dismiss it as full of internal contradictions and immorality imposed upon God. I have written more about my moral objections to Christianity here: My Objections to Christianity | Commentary on Society and Religion (http://angelwire.net/2008/06/16/my-objections-to-christianity/)

As one who does believe in God (I would classify myself as a Deist Agnostic) I see the words and actions attributed to God in the Torah (Leviticus & Deuteronomy especially) as blasphemy.

While I agree with a large portion of the teachings of Jesus, he links himself inexorably to the Yahweh of the old testament and his laws. Taking these laws and new testament prophecies literally would result in horrors that go far beyond the horrors of radical Islam. They have in the past and unrestrained, they will again.

So, in regards to "THE Anti-Christ" as opposed to "Anti-Christs". I dismiss the new testament as myth, so I do not interpret it literally or believe that it has magical, future telling prophecies.

So, I never thought I would say this, but I am Anti-Christ by the biblical definition in 1st John. I see it as the only moral position in regards to Christianity since Christianity has so much immoral baggage and contradictions with morality and science.

If you get a chance, check out my blog at Commentary on Society and Religion (http://www.Angelwire.net)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Please.

First of all I am a former Christian who is very well versed in scripture so i believe I am qualified to answer this question.

I read in an earlier post that there was 1 antichrist. This is simply not true. Read the following passage from the book of 1 John and the Christian new Testament as a backdrop:

BibleGateway.com - PassageLookup: 1 John 2:18-27; (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%202:18-27;&version=31;)

Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichristâ??he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised usâ??even eternal life.

I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeitâ??just as it has taught you, remain in him.

- end quote

A few highlights from this passage:
1. "many antichrists have come"
2. regarding them, "They went out from us"
3. "It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichristâ??he denies the Father and the Son." It tells us plainly that there are many antichrists and then defines how to tell who the antichrist is, the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ. (Christ mean anointed one)
4. " I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray."
5. "This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us." Paul thought it was the last days because there was such a falling away from the faith, this was due to a group of people that was arguing against Jesus as Christ. This is WHO Paul defines as the Anti-Christ.

So, Anti-Christ is a position regarding the person of Jesus of Nazareth, and also a person who attempts to draw you away from belief that Jesus is the Christ. Will there be political and religious leaders who are enormously successful in leading people away from Christ? Absolutely. This may come a surprise to the reader, but those who do so are often doing so because of solid moral objections firmly grounded in rationalism.

As a former minister I spent an enormous amount of time in the bible during that 12 year period of my life. I was forced through the reading of scripture to dismiss it as full of internal contradictions and immorality imposed upon God. I have written more about my moral objections to Christianity here: My Objections to Christianity | Commentary on Society and Religion (http://angelwire.net/2008/06/16/my-objections-to-christianity/)

As one who does believe in God (I would classify myself as a Deist Agnostic) I see the words and actions attributed to God in the Torah (Leviticus & Deuteronomy especially) as blasphemy.

While I agree with a large portion of the teachings of Jesus, he links himself inexorably to the Yahweh of the old testament and his laws. Taking these laws and new testament prophecies literally would result in horrors that go far beyond the horrors of radical Islam. They have in the past and unrestrained, they will again.

So, in regards to "THE Anti-Christ" as opposed to "Anti-Christs". I dismiss the new testament as myth, so I do not interpret it literally or believe that it has magical, future telling prophecies.

So, I never thought I would say this, but I am Anti-Christ by the biblical definition in 1st John. I see it as the only moral position in regards to Christianity since Christianity has so much immoral baggage and contradictions with morality and science.

If you get a chance, check out my blog at Commentary on Society and Religion (http://www.Angelwire.net)


The bible was written by romans who killed, maimed, and destroyed the works of all other people in the process, and you (maybe not YOU, but in general point of this...) call this the work of god? :wtf:


Wiccan was considered pagan, Gnosticism was denied, everything that was non-roman-catholic was attacked with a blood lust hatred.

and lo and behold the bible is born, centuries AFTER christ had come and gone.

The anti-christ is not someone who denounces jesus christ so much as it is someone who threatens the power of the roman catholic church.

They HAD to hint at an anti-christ to seem credible at the time.

Love and you will be loved, hate and be prepared to be scorned.


Believe in the works of LIFE, not the bible. the bible is a man-made abomination of the works of god, the works of LIFE.


The earth is my bible, the harvest, my Christ. God is the life within me and all things outside me.

[illnillinois]

I am going to make a prediction.
Obama will NOT be winning the election. He needs the ability to gather masses and have his power but free of accountability of BE PRESIDENT.
He will loss because he has made this so much about race and "other races" cant understand what its like to black. BLAH
He is stoking the The Black national fire and needs to cause division between races..
Anyways, my money on obama losing but gaining another "global" respected title or role..

[dragonrider]

I am going to make a prediction.
Obama will NOT be winning the election. He needs the ability to gather masses and have his power but free of accountability of BE PRESIDENT.
He will loss because he has made this so much about race and "other races" cant understand what its like to black. BLAH
He is stoking the The Black national fire and needs to cause division between races..
Anyways, my money on obama losing but gaining another "global" respected title or role..

He's not the Anit-Chirist, Dude! He is the real, actual second-coming of Jesus, and you better get on the Righteous side if you want to get raptured away to Heaven! You don't want to end up not voting for Jesus, do you? I mean, It's a secret ballot and all, but there really are no secrets from Jesus.

[Psycho4Bud]

He's not the Anit-Chirist, Dude! He is the real, actual second-coming of Jesus

Dude, turn off the MSNBC! LOL

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[dragonrider]

Feel the tingle? That's how you know it's Jesus.

[GreenDestiny]

About any scriptures/text about an anti-christ:

I think it's more like a general way of describing to people the signs of what to look for to know when we're being misled. History repeats itself in so many ways, many variables change but the goal still remain roughly the same: absolute dominance of the world; perhaps power and control of the one-world government.

The anti-christ is probably just another term for a person or a group (political party, government, nation, etc.). There can be more than one at any time. In fact, you could think of it as varying degrees of the "anti-christ": anyone that exhibits increasing habits that correlate with what an anti-christ would want or do.

With more powerful and manipulative people/groups like that, the chances greatly increase for them to be in control. You could argue that the founding fathers of this country (free-masons and illuminati stuff) were anti-christs and that our system of government always has and always will be like that until it falls.

Instead of just reading about what might specifically happen in these repeating cycles and trying to guess at who will be the singular anti-christ, we should try to just be generally second guessing all our leaders (and ourselves) and thinking more for ourselves so that we can try to avoid the common "evils" that are present in every day life.

They just took that whole idea and applied it to Christianity to point out all the negative things that would come from an anti-christ to keep as many blind-followers of the faith as they can when the time comes to "test their faith".

To a certain degree, some of the things an anti-christ would be credited for doing seem awfully positive.... One world united in peace, no more cultural boundaries, no more conflicting religions or beliefs that lead to wars... all for logical peace-loving people that are free from the confines of their own self-righteous beliefs. For people to give up their own beliefs to follow the word/examples of an anti-christ it would be very similar to worshipping.

Some extremists may have also to be eliminated for it to work, of course. Can't grow good fruit when there's diseases and pests crawling all over everything right???

Maybe that's the whole point: for there to be absolute perfection, imperfect measures must be taken.... but that defeats the whole purpose, like a paradox. Perfection is unattainable; futile to pursue.

There will always be "anti-christs" for good and bad reasons, and there's nothing we can really do about it. Just do your best for yourself and your interrelations.

[illnillinois]

and then watch and notice the world around you..

Its not about color of Obama.. What you need to understand that the Anti Christ will pull power and will deceive the people.
The end times are near. AND NO i dont mean 2012. Damn sketchers, but it real and its happening.

And about the rapture, its real and WILL happen, I know im not going on the first round. I will be left behind, but I kind of want to, so I can witness it first hand..

[Fugitive]

Its interesting that his first reign will end in 2012 the year something is supposed to happen. But seriously the evangelicals just can't wait for the apocalypse and they constantly find dates. Sir Isaac Newton predicted the world would end in 2060 and he wasn't exactly a loony, being the foremost physicist and all.

Nope don't think he's the antichrist lol but I think the next 4 years will be different if he's elected ( shit even I'm brainwashed by that change he's promising)

[illnillinois]

Its interesting that his first reign will end in 2012 the year something is supposed to happen. But seriously the evangelicals just can't wait for the apocalypse and they constantly find dates. Sir Isaac Newton predicted the world would end in 2060 and he wasn't exactly a loony, being the foremost physicist and all.

Nope don't think he's the antichrist lol but I think the next 4 years will be different if he's elected ( shit even I'm brainwashed by that change he's promising)


one time sitting in jail doing a short stint, i came up with the year 2032..
but who am i?

[BritishHempire]

People who believe in all this anti-christ bullshti are mentally ill, period.

'Faith − belief that is not based on evidence − is one of the world's great evils. It is analogous to the smallpox virus, though more difficult to eradicate.' - Richard Dawkins

[illnillinois]

People who believe in all this anti-christ bullshti are mentally ill, period.


your ignorance is excusable with me, but the deception that evil(devil, anti christ) doesn't exist is what the darkside wants you to believe..
its cool, your entitled to your opinion..

[TallCoolOne]

finnally! i'm sick of this shit hole called earth! lets go obama! lets see those four horsedudes!

[TheMetal1]

JUST because you can quote the bible doesnt mean the bible can speak the word of god through you or anyone else

Right? :thumbsup:

I am at a point in my life where the only thing I KNOW for a fact is that I have NO FUCKING IDEA what is going on in this world. Our planet, our solar system, the Universe... :wtf:

I can speculate based on various reference material, research findings, theories, etc... but that does NOT mean that I am any more versed on the ACTUAL workings of "it all," relative to the next person.

The MORE I learn... the LESS I seem to understand.
If you claim that you KNOW what is lying underneath the most complex system of matter interaction in existence... then YOU have not done enough research.

I feel that I'm smart enough to admit how clueless I am. :stoned:

Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Right? :thumbsup:

I am at a point in my life where the only thing I KNOW for a fact is that I have NO FUCKING IDEA what is going on in this world. Our planet, our solar system, the Universe... :wtf:

I can speculate based on various reference material, research findings, theories, etc... but that does NOT mean that I am any more versed on the ACTUAL workings of "it all," relative to the next person.

The MORE I learn... the LESS I seem to understand.
If you claim that you KNOW what is lying underneath the most complex system of matter interaction in existence... then YOU have not done enough research.

I feel that I'm smart enough to admit how clueless I am. :stoned:

Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:


not smart (not stupid mind you, however) but wise.

Wisdom is knowing
Intelligence is Knowledge.


Knowledge is fixed in time, an end from a means.
Knowing is a movement.


The truth is never fixed in time, but alive and moving.

[McDanger]

Obama isn't the anti-christ but mabye the setup for the anti-christ!This is right up my alley I have family in the Middle East.Has to say we don't know what color he or she will be or "what"the anti-christ is until its too late.

For those of you who don't know the anti-christ will rise to power by peace.Pepole speculate Isreal is going to bomb Iran to disarm them like they did Saddan in 1983.This would send the world in WWIII and we would have to help,on top of the facts the storms across America will get stronger!I believe the major world currency will just fall and shatter to peaces.No oil,No grocies,Anarchy,Chaos!!He will arise by uniting the world for a global cuase!!He will have a false prophet pepole speculate will be the next roman pope or some Islam extremnest,NO ONE KNOWS.I mean someting big is coming our way,the world isn't the way it was.We are growing apart instead of growing together.God is love,grow togther that is true meaning of God :-)

If what you say is true, then it is a given: THE ANTI-CHRIST IS AL GORE:D:D:D

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

O__o or you!

[pinkyslayer]

If you read the bible its fairly clear that the anti-christ isn't a person,its a group. And it was already there during christ's time. Some religion sects believe its the beginnings of the roman catholic church.

I have read the bible...a LOT. And although I will admit I'm not one hundred percent sure, I am almost sure the anti-christ is not a group, it's a single, powerful, charismatic leader who of course gathers a large following. Then comes what the Bible refers to as the mark of the beast, which is a tattoo or computer chip or some sort of mark that identifies you as a follower of the beast, and without no one can get a job or buy or sell anything. Thats all just from memory though.

[pinkyslayer]

Well the bible is similar to the story of Buddha, in which he himself discovers the negative and opposite side to himself, called "Mara".

I think what the bible means by anti-christ is an example of what the opposite to christ himself would do.

In any case, claiming he's the anti christ is just a way for hillary to win the votes of the ignorant racist and fanatical christians that inhabit many parts of america.

Not to generalize. ;)

Wrong. The Anti-Christ is not a foil to Christ Himself. And the Bible is not similar to the Buddhist concept of Mara, especially when applied to Jesus. The vast majority of Christians believe that Jesus was literally God, but he had a human nature that naturally led him to want to fuck and drink and steal and all that. But according to the bible, Jesus never gave in to his human nature, he never sinned. The Anti-Christ is a tool of the devil that will be used to secure Satan's stronghold over this earth, for a period of one thousand years. The only 'reason' I can think of that people would legitimately think Obama was the Anti-Christ is that the Bible says the AC will be a strong, bold, and very popular leader who promises to change the world. Or else it's all the Bible clutching, gay hating, ignorant ass Christians such as the ones in my family that are just throwing that out there so they wont have to have a black man for president.

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I have read the bible...a LOT. And although I will admit I'm not one hundred percent sure, I am almost sure the anti-christ is not a group, it's a single, powerful, charismatic leader who of course gathers a large following. Then comes what the Bible refers to as the mark of the beast, which is a tattoo or computer chip or some sort of mark that identifies you as a follower of the beast, and without no one can get a job or buy or sell anything. Thats all just from memory though.


what, in the bible, can be historically proven? what evidence remains that anything written in the bible was true?

i mostly agree with it's GENERAL idea of live your fellow mand and what not, but the history of the bible remains irksome to me.

IF there's an anti-christ, what evidence can a potentially fictional story provide?

[rebgirl420]

Obama is not the anti-christ or Mavis. Neither is Bush or McCain. In fact no one is.

Besides, everyone always thinks the anti-christ is going to come in THEIR lifetime. Remember when Regan was the anti-christ? How about numerous popes? This is as factual as the bible code.

Also, I think I'd make a pretty good anti-christ.

[killerweed420]

Obama is not the anti-christ or Mavis. Neither is Bush or McCain. In fact no one is.

Besides, everyone always thinks the anti-christ is going to come in THEIR lifetime. Remember when Regan was the anti-christ? How about numerous popes? This is as factual as the bible code.

Also, I think I'd make a pretty good anti-christ.

I will follow you anywhere Mrs Anti-Christ.lol

[rebgirl420]

Hahaha

And for my first act of anti-christ-ness I say to my followers:

Kill John Stamos.

[DaBudhaStank]

This thread is still alive?? I could have sworn it died weeks ago....

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

This thread is still alive?? I could have sworn it died weeks ago....


This thread is the anti-christ!

Didnt you know? the anti christ can use jesus' powerz!

[pinkyslayer]

This thread is the anti-christ!

Didnt you know? the anti christ can use jesus' powerz!

DE INTURNETZ HAS DA POWERZ OF JEEBUS?!?!?! LOL

[Aristotle]

Ya'll are a bunch of Jew-hating bastards. I, personally, love Jews.. even dated one in high school. Her father owned a chain of sub shops and she was a really good person. Her grandfather was rumored to have helped start World War II, though, but the validity of that statement is heavily disputed amongst many non-Jews.

[daihashi]

Ya'll are a bunch of Jew-hating bastards. I, personally, love Jews.. even dated one in high school.

Uhh.. are you serious? FTW!!?!

[Chong Version 2.0]

Religion will be what destroys humanity. :mad: In fact, religion itself is your "antichrist." :wtf:

[dlovejah]

No this is the antichrist... Calling JacksonSlade.. Im sorry I couldnt resist.. Youll learn to love me. I hope...:rastasmoke::D:hippy::thumbsup::rasta:

[dragonrider]

Obama is not the Anti-Christ, but if you listen to McCain supporters at recent rallies, he is a "terrorist", "traitor", and "Arab", and we should "kill him', and "off with his head."

As for the mullet-head antichrists above^^^, I say off with their hair!

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

the truth behind the mullet- er i mean anti christ:


Christianity was invented by the romans after hearing stories about how the jews killed one of their own who was trying to preserve the old ways of judiasm. (jesus)

they embellished on everything and even threw in some fantasy, such as walking on water and raising from the dead.

then, in order to secure their power, they invented an anti-christ who would one day rise and oppose them directly.


but they made him out to be a bad guy, opposing jesus christ's message, when in truth, he is only going to be trying to free us all from the matrix- er i mean lies and control.



the anti christ is a good guy who is seeking freedom and equality for all.

Rome didnt want to ever lose power so they created a dark image of a monstrous beast to represent the anti-christ.

[daihashi]

Ya'll are a bunch of Jew-hating bastards. I, personally, love Jews.. even dated one in high school. Her father owned a chain of sub shops and she was a really good person. Her grandfather was rumored to have helped start World War II, though, but the validity of that statement is heavily disputed amongst many non-Jews.

Am I the only one who's confused if this guy is serious or not? Bump on this post again.

[dlovejah]

Well he cant be serious can he?? I think he was trying to be funny... Honest lets hope so... One World One Love. Simple dazed:rastasmoke: and seriously I already showed you the antichrist... Ok 1 more:stoned::stoned::stoned:

[dragonrider]

Am I the only one who's confused if this guy is serious or not? Bump on this post again.

I decided it was a falied attempt at bad humor, based on the second sentence, "Her grandfather was rumored to have helped start World War II, though, but the validity of that statement is heavily disputed amongst many non-Jews." The tone of that seems like humor, even if is doesn't work very well.

The first part about the Jew-hating bastards is either repugnant hatred, or it is bad irony that doens't really work as humor either. I figured I'd just let the mods sort it out...

[daihashi]

I was just more puzzled than anything else.. on one hand it seemed like bad humor, but on the other hand it was kind of random and left me in 'wtf' mode.

[Shroctopus]

The Roman Catholic curch is a false idol. you have all the right commitment in all the wrong places.

Look not to the works of corrupt men, but to the true bible.

The WORD of god is not written or spoken, it is in the every action ofLIFE.
Nature is the true bible, Earth our true god, death, the true son of god.

the sun, our god's god, the unvierse, heven.

When we die, we return to the earth, and some day, when the earth is in the final days of it's life, it too will return to heven and conjoin withit's god at the center of the galaxy where thecycle starts anewwith new lessons to learn and new people.

Look to nature for the answers to life's questions, not to corrupt works of manipulative men.

*Ding ding ding*
YouTube - Bill Hicks' Last Show - Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XPYNiJApCs&feature=related)

[silkyblue]

how do you know he is?

[silkyblue]

they took God out of schools and got a buncha dumb kids! DAH!


Barack [if elected?] will separate Church from State issues

it should b that way

[Immolation]

I Remember when Reagan was the Anti-Christ.:wtf::D Now its Obamas turn.According to some bible scholars, Emperor Nero was the Anti-Christ referred to in the Bible.It is already a Failed Prophecy.

[clovisman]

i have only read a couple of these post but if the anti-christ is here it is George Bush - look at the results of his presidency

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

let's stop this. what does the bible actually SAY abotu the anti christ, and how many people have done all those anti-christ telltales?


P.S. omgz hax wewtorz firts pots!

[beachguy in thongs]

In support of drilling for oil, in the ocean? It's in there. They've already spilled a good amount of oil, in the gulf of Mexico.


As frightening as what you've just read is to envision, the False Prophet is only a small portion of what is going to happen during the Tribulation Period!

The Bible teaches us there will a seven-year period of time most Christians refer to as the Tribulation Period - a time of testing that will fall upon mankind as a result of its disobedience to Almighty God.

Although it is possible there will be a delay of weeks, months, or even years between the Rapture of the Church and the start of the Tribulation Period, the onset will likely come very quickly.

The seven seal judgments will take place early in the Tribulation Period, within the first 3 1/2 years of its start.

1. The rider on the white horse - The first seal is symbolic of the infamous Antichrist, the word's greatest dictator. Amazingly, the most evil man the world has ever known will arrive on-scene as a peacemaker deceiving many. A peace treaty he (a leader from the revived Roman Empire, the European Union) will sign between Israel and her enemies lasting seven years in duration will be the event that starts the seven-year Tribulation Period. The Tribulation Period and the Antichrist's peace plan are intertwined. You will instantly know this rider on the white horse once he has arrived because his face will be plastered on the cover of every magazine as a great peacemaker, a man who has succeeded in doing what no one has been able to do thus far, create a true peace in the Middle East. Revelation 6:2: "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."

2. The rider on the red horse - The second seal reveals the rider on the red horse. This rider is symbolic of war. He will take peace from the earth. I personally believe this horseman is representative of the Gog/Magog invasion of Israel detailed in Ezekiel 38 & 39 which will occur when Israel senses it is dwelling in safety under a peace plan. This attack will come from a coalition of nations consisting of Russia and a federation of Islamic/Arab nations and will end in a horrific defeat of the invading armies. Five out of every six invading troops will die and the weapons left behind by them will be burned for a period of seven years. There is some debate as to whether the Gog/Magog invasion takes place before or after the start of the Tribulation Period so you will need to discern which is true after reading this. You will be able to tell by examining whether or not the Antichrist's peace plan is in place. You will easily recognize if this peace is in place, as explained earlier, because it will be extremely well-publicized. Whether the Gog/Magog event has happened or not, this rider will bring about global conflict. Revelation 6:4: "And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."

3. The rider on the black horse - The third seal reveals the rider on the black horse. This rider is symbolic of famine. Revelation 6:5-6: And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
4. The rider on the pale horse - The fourth seal reveals the rider on the pale horse. This rider is symbolic of widespread death on the earth and is descriptive as to how this will happen, as seen in bold type below. One quarter of the world's population will die as a result of this judgment. Revelation 6:8: And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
5. The cries of martyred saints - The fifth seal unveils the cries of previously-martyred believers in Christ for justice. Christ responds by telling them to rest a little while until their fellowservants and brethren similarly destined to be martyred for their faith in Christ takes place in its fullness. If you are a believer confronted with the possibility of martyrdom in the Tribulation Period, I urge you to be faithful unto death. Do not, under any circumstances, renounce your faith in Christ for great will be your reward in heaven if you love not your life unto the death, as seen in Revelation 12:11. Revelation 6:9-11: "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."
6. A terrible earthquake and a cosmic disturbance - The world will tremble for a time and mankind will fear God's wrath when the sixth seal is opened. Revelation 6:12-17: "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" After the sixth seal is opened, Revelation 7:4-8 tells us 12,000 men from each of Israel's twelve tribes will be sealed as God's servants and will preach the Gospel resulting in a tremendous soul harvest during the Tribulation as seen in Revelation 7:9.
7. Silence in heaven - When the seventh seal is opened, Heaven falls silent for about half an hour. This moment is so frightening it appears the saints in Heaven either feel sorry for those left behind or are in awe concerning what is coming next. Revelation 8:1: "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."

The Trumpet Judgments

The seven trumpet judgments will take place in the first half of the Tribulation Period, within the first 3 1/2 years of the Antichrist's peace plan being implemented. Seven angels will sound their trumpets, bringing about global destruction, suffering, and death.

1. Vegetation destroyed - The first trumpet judgment brings about the destruction of a lot of the earth's vegetation. Although we don't know exactly what causes this, the prophetic description sounds very reminiscent of the use of nuclear weaponry. Revelation 8:7: "The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up."
2. A third of all sea life is killed and a third of shipping is destroyed - Revelation 8:8-9: "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."
3. Water supplies are tainted when a "star" named Wormwood hits the earth - Revelation 8:10-11: "And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."
4. The heavens are darkened - Revelation 8:12: "And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise."
5. The bottomless pit is opened and a plague of locust-like creatures proceeds to torture mankind for five months - This plague doesn't come to those who've accepted Christ, but tortures everyone else. Revelation 9:1-6: "And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."
6. The four angels bound at the Euphrates River are released to kill one third of mankind - This trumpet judgment brings about the mention of an army of 200 million soldiers and the death of a third of mankind's remaining population. Revelation 9:13-18: "And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates. And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men. And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them."
7. The kingdom of the Lord is proclaimed in heaven resulting in events on earth - Revelation 11:15: "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. Revelation 11:19: And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail."

Mid-point of the Tribulation Period

(3.5 years are finished, 3.5 years remain)

Near the mid-point of the Tribulation Period, the Antichrist will be slain by the sword (assassinated), but will miraculously be resurrected (in some manner) after Satan himself indwells his body, counterfeiting the resurrection of Christ. The world will marvel after him, perhaps thinking he is God.

The Antichrist will subsequently enter a Holy Temple of the Jews that will be in full operation at the mid-point of the Tribulation Period and proclaim himself to be God! This incident is referred to as the abomination of desolation and can be found in Daniel 9:27, Revelation 13:6, and Matthew 24:15. 2nd Thessalonians 2:4 establishes that the Antichrist will make a claim to deity as he will "sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

If you are a Jew living in Israel and you see the abomination of desolation take place, flee Israel immediately and head into the wilderness (Matthew 24:15-20) where the Lord has a place prepared for you (Revelation 12:6). Don't worry about food, water, or clothing. Much like the Father fed the children of Israel as they journeyed to the Promised Land, He will provide for you again! Trust in the Lord completely! I believe the place He has prepared for you is in Petra, Jordan. Don't hesitate a second when you see the abomination of desolation happen as the Antichrist will seek to kill all Jews during the remainder of the Tribulation Period. Those who make it to the place prepared for them in the wilderness will be spared the Antichrist's wrath.

Around the time the abomination of desolation is to occur, a religious leader capable of bringing fire down out of the skies will rise to prominence. This man is the cohort of the Antichrist - the False Prophet. He is the final member of the Satanic trinity of Satan (in the role of the Father), the Antichrist (in the role of the Son), and the False Prophet (in the role of the Holy Spirit).

The False Prophet will require an image of the Antichrist be made and placed in the Temple which he will somehow be able to give life to. He will require it to be worshipped. All who refuse to worship the image will be killed.

He will further require everyone, in order to buy or sell, to accept what is known as the mark of the beast, as seen in Revelation 13:16-18: "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

DO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST! If you accept the mark of the beast, you are damned as you have chosen Satan as your eternal master. You will go to HELL if you take it. There is no forgiveness! DO NOT TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST!!!!!

The mark of the beast will likely be either a tattoo or an implantable chip technology, but exactly what the mark of the beast will be is unsure as I write this. Rest assured you can't take it by accident. If you take the mark, you will do so willingly, although you may be under the threat of death if you don't.

If presented with the option of taking the mark of the beast or being killed, choose death. God will strengthen you to accept the punishment if you choose Him. All who refuse to accept the mark or worship the image of the beast will beheaded in all likelihood, as seen in Revelation 20:4, but this is far better than the other alternative.

The Antichrist's power will be such that he will control the world's governments politically, militarily, economically, and religiously at this point. God's wrath is about to fall....

The Bowl Judgments: God's final judgments

The second half of the Tribulation Period is set to begin and it is going to be utter horror. If you are alive at this point, consider yourself lucky! If you make it the rest of the way, you will see the return of Christ. Hopefully, you'll survive, but I wouldn't bet on it.

1. Sores - Everyone who has accepted the mark of the beast will receive a horrible sore. Revelation 16:2: "And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image."
2. The seas turn to blood and ALL life in the sea dies - The seas will become like the blood of a dead man. Dried up? Congealed? Lacking oxygen? Revelation 16:3: "And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea."
3. All fresh water turns to blood as God's punishment for the martyrdom of Christ followers - Revelation 16:4-6: "And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus. For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy."
4. The sun sears mankind with heat - Revelation 16:8-9: "And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory."
5. Darkness and pain falls on the Antichrist's kingdom - Revelation 16:10-11: "And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds."
6. The Euphrates River is dried up allowing the kings of the east to march to the battle of Armageddon - Revelation 16:12-16: "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."
7. An earthquake so powerful it will flatten every mountain and island strikes and hailstones weighing approx. 100 lbs. each rain down on the earth - This event is both a cataclysmic judgment on mankind and a preparation for the coming Millenial Kingdom of Christ as the lands are made flat to create space for the multitudes that will live on the earth after Christ's reign begins. Revelation 16:17-21: "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

After this final judgment, Jesus Christ will soon return to the earth, destroy the Antichrist's armies, throw the Antichrist and the False Prophet into the lake of fire, have Satan bound for 1000 years, and set up His kingdom on earth.

[Dream of the iris]

Why do you put your faith in something outside yourself? Ask yourself this question, if Jesus came back, what could he possibly say that would save you? Nothing. He wouldn't do anything. That's because it's up to you to save yourself. You are an individual are you not? Or maybe you're a slave. Follow the leader, children. Daddy knows best. Are you a child? Following "somebody" is just setting yourself up for deceit. Here's another question: How will you know the "real Jesus" will return? How will you know it's not just another impostor? How do you even know the story of Christ is real? I would stop relying on somebody else to make decisions for you about your soul. It's your life. Take responsibility. Did Jesus ever say "I am the messiah, worship me". Of course not. He said "The Kingdom of Heaven is inside you". Look inside.


My rant.

[beachguy in thongs]

He said "The Kingdom of Heaven is inside you". Look inside.




I look inside myself, and, I feel my lower back/hip, my leg, and, my elbow (all on the left side) all hurting me. I look on the right, and, my fine-motor skills have diminished. Either way, without cannabis, I see it in double-vision.

With it, I feel bliss. It must be "The Kingdom of Heaven" showing itself.

[IAmKowalski]

There is wide speculation that Barack Obama is being compared to as the AntiChrist the bible references. Particulary in Revelations 13. Regarding what you have learned about the second coming, do you think there is any correlation between the two? What are your thoughts?

Peace

This question is for those of you who believe in the bible.

Oh really? Wide speculation by who exactly?

[Immolation]

I look inside myself, and, I feel my lower back/hip, my leg, and, my elbow (all on the left side) all hurting me. I look on the right, and, my fine-motor skills have diminished. Either way, without cannabis, I see it in double-vision.

With it, I feel bliss. It must be "The Kingdom of Heaven" showing itself.


The Lord said unto me, 'I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs.' " -- Isaiah 18:4-5

"Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth.â?¦To you it will be for meat." â?¦ And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)


:)

[overgrowthegovt]

The Anti-Christ...no, the very concept is idiotic. Just another full-of-shit exploiter of the call for change, who will nonetheless continue international bullying, silencing of opposition, and deepthroating corporate cock....very likely.

No half-decent president can be elected within the two-party system...imagine trying to do the right thing while surrounded by horseshit.

[hazetwostep]

He is your president now! sucka

[WeLuvGreenTg]

Ignorant people need to pack there shit up and get off this site, hes president now there aint shit you can do about it!

[Gatekeeper777]

If you read the bible its fairly clear that the anti-christ isn't a person,its a group. And it was already there during christ's time. Some religion sects believe its the beginnings of the roman catholic church. The anti-christ is the UN.
The symbol for the UN is a white horse.
"I looked and I saw a rider on a white horse and death followed after him.!"
Is this rider the BILDERBERG group or OBAMA?
:stoned:

[IAmKowalski]

News flash: This is 2008, not the dark ages. There is no such thing as an Antichrist, so let's keep primitive superstitions out of our politics.

[silkyblue]

Ozzy is the true
antichrist!!

[apocolips31]

News flash: This is 2008, not the dark ages. There is no such thing as an Antichrist, so let's keep primitive superstitions out of our politics.

Who gave you the knowledge to judge if it is just a superstition? Lets keep ignorant posts out of our forums.

[dragonrider]

Can anyone tell what exactly the Anti-Christ is? It's not Satan, right? Or is it Satan? Does the Anti-Christ work for Satan? How exactly does it work? As I undertand it, which may not be right, Christ was supposedly God incarnate in human form on the Earth. So is the Anti-Christ Satan incarnate in human form on the Earth? Does Satan have to send an Unholy Spirit to earth to knock up a non-virgin in order to give birth to the Anti-Christ?

[silkyblue]

Does Satan have to send an Unholy Spirit to earth to knock up a non-virgin in order to give birth to the Anti-Christ?



its kinda like that but

scratch out the sex part




anti-christ, an 'ti-krist, n. 'The great adversary of Christ'


adversary , ad 've'r-sa-ri, n. An enemy :an antagonist

[KillerBudG]

More hating on Obama......This is a pity let see how the man handles himself and the U.S befor we do all this bashing.

[dooobster]

This happens after every Presidential election... someone starts saying that the new President-elect is the Anti-Christ and that this is the beginning of the end of the world. Ronald Wilson Reagan's name was especially good for this rumor because each name (first, middle, last) contained 6 letters... bwahahaha

So anyway, yeah. Let's move on. The world is already too full of this kind of bullshit. It's almost 2009... White people have monopolized teh highest position in this country forever, and Republicans have had control for quite a while now & got to have their fun, so it's about time a black person had a chance to run things.

I voted for Barack Obama, and I'm proud of my choice, because I feel that he's going to be an incredible leader and he's going to do good things for everyone.

I'm not even black! Or a democrat! I'm just a person who thinks this world needs more peace, love and fairness for all people, regardless of their color or lot in life.

Let's give the guy a chance... He hasn't even moved to Washington yet.

Peace :)

P.S. If you wanna know how the "Anti-Christ" is supposed to come into the world, watch The Omen. :) I seriously doubt Barack Obama's momma was a jackyl. :rastasmoke:

[flyingimam]

damn it, this is MY title!!! I am the anti-christ not this guy, he's just the future president of the United States and Im gonna be superstitiously stayin on these forums for a long time j/k:D

[IAmKowalski]

Who gave you the knowledge to judge if it is just a superstition? Lets keep ignorant posts out of our forums.

The belief in such nonsense is no more logical than a belief in gnomes or Santa Claus. It is also a slap in the face of human knowledge and progress, no better than believing that a lunar eclipse is actually a snake eating the moon. It is insulting to humanity. Perhaps we should be taking the use of animal entrails for divination seriously next?

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[Dream of the iris]

Here's something funny:


Obama Win Causes Obsessive Supporters To Realize How Empty Their Lives Are | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive?utm_source=embedded_vid eo)

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Who gave you the knowledge to judge if it is just a superstition? Lets keep ignorant posts out of our forums.


If I insisted upon the existence of leprechauns, they'd call me crazy and demand proof. If I insisted that voodoo works, I'd be called crazy and proof would be demanded of me. But as soon as a supernatural, unproven believe is called "religion", we're told that we have to respectfully shy away and have no right to demand proof. This is the greatest protection that religion has created for itself; the notion that a belief must be respected just because enough people hold to it.

For those of us who live in the world of logic, however, we see no reason as to why religion shouldn't be held to the same scrutiny as any other belief. The greatest mechanism of ignorance is the belief that some things should be exempt from scrutiny, for no other reason than that believers demand they not be held to the logical standards of every other person making any other claim.

For thousands of years, mediterranian civilizations were certain that thunder was created by angry Gods, and ships were sunk by Poseidon, not atmospheric changes. Why can we question these beliefs now, but not 2000 years ago when it was popular?

[apocolips31]

All I meant by my post is back up your claims with something! Don't just come onto the boards, insult an entire religion and don't give a reason for you saying so.

[daihashi]

Why is this thread even still going on? This is ridiculous.

[dooobster]

If I insisted upon the existence of leprechauns, they'd call me crazy and demand proof. If I insisted that voodoo works, I'd be called crazy and proof would be demanded of me. But as soon as a supernatural, unproven believe is called "religion", we're told that we have to respectfully shy away and have no right to demand proof. This is the greatest protection that religion has created for itself; the notion that a belief must be respected just because enough people hold to it.

For those of us who live in the world of logic, however, we see no reason as to why religion shouldn't be held to the same scrutiny as any other belief. The greatest mechanism of ignorance is the belief that some things should be exempt from scrutiny, for no other reason than that believers demand they not be held to the logical standards of every other person making any other claim.

For thousands of years, mediterranian civilizations were certain that thunder was created by angry Gods, and ships were sunk by Poseidon, not atmospheric changes. Why can we question these beliefs now, but not 2000 years ago when it was popular?

Great post :)

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Why is this thread even still going on? This is ridiculous.

Need i say more?

[hazetwostep]

if Obama was the anti-christ, wouldn't that be a good thing? according to christian tradition the anti-christ must come before the second coming of christ. so if the anti-christ is taking power, all the christians should be happy that christ is saddling up his pony to come riding down to earth. the new jerusalem is coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

obviously the anti-christ must take power otherwise the whole grand climax of the bible would be a false prophecy. it would therefore be futile to resist what god said must happen. no?

ps- HEY I HAVE MY SECOND GREEN DOT!!!!!!!!! w00t w00t w00t

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

LOL Drama... Drama is all the bible is about. naturally, they had to write the most dramatic climax too!


Ever notice how so much popular media is based on the bible?


The Matrix, for example, paralells everything about christ, from immaculate conception (who're neo's parents, if not the matrix itself?) to bodily resurrection after death.

The bible is the father of Drama.


Frankly, i find it to be largely nothing more than a work of literature with some good morals sprinkled about.

That's what makes a good stroy though, right? Good writing, a good plot, DRAMA, and morals.

[dlovejah]

He made me do it.. Reefer Madness... WTF.:wtf::wtf::wtf: Ive told you guys, again and again... This is the AntiChrist... Rave On...:rastasmoke: These kind of threads just have mullet written all over them...:stoned:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

only the human beings with a surplus of the X chromosome look good in a mullet. 'nuff said.

[Gatekeeper777]

Hillary is the "Gollum child" and Obama is the anti-christ.
The anti-crist will be from Roman decent and will be Muslim.
He will reserect the new Rome.( AKA: NWO) Your world leaders go to Bohemian grove and worship Baphomet. google it.
you can find this info on youtube. Do you think there is MJ in heaven? Would heaven be hell without MJ?
This whole world is messed up because of one religion or another. fighting each other because of a god or gods.
A superstitious people wrote a book to explain what thier ignorant minds couldn't explain.
Without religion I don't think humanity would have survived the early years, But now in the modern era we have logic and techknowlogy to explain why the sun is ecliped rather then a dragon that flies through space and swallows it up and poo's it out.
We are Evolving not only in physical form but in mental form as well.
We should shed the thoughts of our evolutionary childhood and look forward to a brighter tomorow as evolved adolesent biengs as a whole. The we can stop blowing each other up,shooting each other, and look at each life on earth human and not human as a wonderful wonder.
It is when you realize there is no heaven and hell that everything you do seems to matter more because there is NO second chance. We have the power to make life better here for ourselves now, we should stop waiting for the tooth fairy to come in the middle of the night cuz it ain't happening.
ps. I got all my teeth pulled and the bitch still owes me 3 quarters. I don't except IOU's.!

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

to address the "no second chance" bit... everything that exists is, always will be, and always was. in that sense, every passing moment is another "second chance".

We only get to live one life as our self as we are now, but life never ends, it only changes perpetually, so when we "die" we are only changing from one body to the next, giving ourselves a "second chance" to experience life.


what we do now will affect the next 7 generations, so regardless of how many lives we get to live, we are STILL responsible for the future of our world.

[OldBastard]

Now lets see how fast this post gets attention, vs the kind
Stinky attic's mod. (nothing to you SA) vs the Christian bashing.
yes JEWS are the anti christ!
Knee jerk anyone?
Why?
Can I say Merry Christmas on this forum?
If not why?
Can I expect a Merry Christmas from a major retailer on TV?
If not WHY?
Sorry but y'all have 1/10th the knowledge about history that you need to have to even form an opinion, but I mean no
harm.
I've had my "intuition" tested so many times, and have gotten so much shit.
2 years ago I tried to tell friends who couldn't believe me on the 911 thing, that the economy was going to go under from
the housing and derivatives bs. And I even had one sign
a note.
Americans are dumbasses and I know why, but you people wouldn't understand.
I feel sorry for those that don't "get it".
I guess you have to be self taught on this as in most things.
So many here are actually mind controlled as much as Tom Cruise is with Scientology!
And you'll respond with comments easily known before hand!
Sad.

[OldBastard]

1. Acquire jew, anti Christian new ager, and Al Gore
2. kneed with matzoh, in CO2 inert atmosphere in the presence
of a buttload of quartz crystals.
3. ????
4. PROFIT!!!!

[painretreat]

I believe I have lived with the anti-christ and didn't look like any of those guys!!! But, keeps on causing problems.!! lol :jointsmile:

[Breukelen advocaat]

--With this I come to a conclusion and pronounce my judgment. I condemn Christianity; I bring against the Christian church the most terrible of all the accusations that an accuser has ever had in his mouth. It is, to me, the greatest of all imaginable corruptions; it seeks to work the ultimate corruption, the worst possible corruption. The Christian church has left nothing untouched by its depravity; it has turned every value into worthlessness, and every truth into a lie, and every integrity into baseness of soul. Let any one dare to speak to me of its "humanitarian" blessings! Its deepest necessities range it against any effort to abolish distress; it lives by distress; it creates distress to make itself immortal. . . . For example, the worm of sin: it was the church that first enriched mankind with this misery!--The "equality of souls before God"--this fraud, this pretext for the rancunes of all the base-minded--this explosive concept, ending in revolution, the modern idea, and the notion of overthrowing the whole social order--this is Christian dynamite. . . . The "humanitarian" blessings of Christianity forsooth! To breed out of humanitas a self-contradiction, an art of self-pollution, a will to lie at any price, an aversion and contempt for all good and honest instincts! All this, to me, is the "humanitarianism" of Christianity!--Parasitism as the only practice of the church; with its anaemic and "holy" ideals, sucking all the blood, all the love, all the hope out of life; the beyond as the will to deny all reality; the cross as the distinguishing mark of the most subterranean conspiracy ever heard of,--against health, beauty, well-being, intellect, kindness of soul--against life itself. . . .

This eternal accusation against Christianity I shall write upon all walls, wherever walls are to be found--I have letters that even the blind will be able to see. . . . I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough, or secret, subterranean and small enough,--I call it the one immortal blemish upon the human race. . . .

And mankind reckons time from the dies nefastus when this fatality befell--from the first day of Christianity!--Why not rather from its last?--From today?--The transvaluation of all values! . . .

THE END

Final Chapter of:
THE ANTICHRIST


written by Friedrich Nietzsche Published 1895

translation by H.L. Mencken, Published 1920

[apocolips31]

Hillary is the "Gollum child" and Obama is the anti-christ.
The anti-crist will be from Roman decent and will be Muslim.
He will reserect the new Rome.( AKA: NWO) Your world leaders go to Bohemian grove and worship Baphomet. google it.
you can find this info on youtube. Do you think there is MJ in heaven? Would heaven be hell without MJ?
This whole world is messed up because of one religion or another. fighting each other because of a god or gods.
A superstitious people wrote a book to explain what thier ignorant minds couldn't explain.
Without religion I don't think humanity would have survived the early years, But now in the modern era we have logic and techknowlogy to explain why the sun is ecliped rather then a dragon that flies through space and swallows it up and poo's it out.
We are Evolving not only in physical form but in mental form as well.
We should shed the thoughts of our evolutionary childhood and look forward to a brighter tomorow as evolved adolesent biengs as a whole. The we can stop blowing each other up,shooting each other, and look at each life on earth human and not human as a wonderful wonder.
It is when you realize there is no heaven and hell that everything you do seems to matter more because there is NO second chance. We have the power to make life better here for ourselves now, we should stop waiting for the tooth fairy to come in the middle of the night cuz it ain't happening.
ps. I got all my teeth pulled and the bitch still owes me 3 quarters. I don't except IOU's.!

Who are you to say believing in a religion is being childish and stupid. Are you a divine being and know all the answers? Religion can be used for good as it does all the time. How many charity groups aren't tied to some religion?

[Dream of the iris]

Speaking of antichrist, check out this:


Maybe. VI is 6 in Roman Numerals. S was 6 in ancient Egypt. A
was 6 in Sanskrit. VISA, see, is 666. Interesting that to travel for
extended periods one needs a "visa" also, yes?

VISA cards...hmm interesting. Not sure on the validity of such a claim, but it is interesting.

[jahblessme]

actually the anti-christ is a person...and yes will be followed by a group I am sure. He will be pretty, and convincing....he will say that he is jesus but the way we knopw that it's not him is because jesus will come out of the clouds and meet his believers in the sky after the ant-christ has shown himself, we don't know when that will happen...nobody does...the bible states repetitivly were not suppose to ...but we are to always be prepared...the end shall come like labor pains...lol funny I think those labor pains have started.

[Dream of the iris]

Maybe the anti-christ will come from the clouds?

[silkyblue]

maybe he will come from the Earth
God forbid !


peace or the Earth will be in Pieces

[SmokiNomad]

I've heard people say that of every president since I was a kid, but especially Democratic Presidents.

Anyway, I think if there is an AntiChrist, we'll know who he is when he is the head of the first one world government. Then, we're screwed.

[SouthernGuerilla]

I've heard people say that of every president since I was a kid, but especially Democratic Presidents.

Anyway, I think if there is an AntiChrist, we'll know who he is when he is the head of the first one world government. Then, we're screwed.

The European Union perhaps?

[Siberian]

Or THE land of the free and the home of the brave.:dance:

[Frickr]

im sorry if this has been said, i skipped over most of the aguement about the bible.

but to me, and i dont mean to offend anyone with what im about to say, it sounds like you guys are scared to let a black man have more power then you do. isnt it sort of racist to call the first black president the antichrist? if any other canidate would of won, would there be such a big deal about this?

i dont think we would even be close to having this conversation if a white man/woman were elected into office. i think that some peoples racism is driven so deep into them, they dont even realize what they are saying. By having a black man in power, this upsets them. what better explanation then the antichrist? "hes not white, so he cant do the job" is the message im picking up from people that think hes going to be the end of the world.

why cant we have a little faith in him? he hasnt even gotten into office yet, and people are already bashing him. Bush fucked up. so what? so did nixon. the world didnt end with him, i dont think its going to end with obama.

what im trying to say i guess is before your so quick to judge someone by his apperence, which i feel a good portion of people in our country are doing, let him show us what he can do. im not religious, but isnt that one of the main messages that all religions try to get across? to judge people by their actions, not by their appearence?

people have been predicting the end times since as long as history goes back. pick up any tabloid and every other year the world is going to end. it hasnt happened yet, i dont think it will happen. everything happens for a reason, and the universe always has a way of balancing things out. things always get the worst before they get better. why not have a little blind faith that bush was is the dark, and maybe obama is the breaking of the dawn?

if your religous, then you have faith in a god that you cant see, well you cant see the future so why cant you have a little faith in that also?