Sjapp's First Grow

[Sjapp]

I started with 10 bagseeds in 10 styrofoam cups and only 2 sprouted after a week.
I had them under my sink for 2 weeks under 26 watts and i just transplanted them yesterday 2/16/08 in 4 gallon pots.

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So through much trial and error i finally have my box going.
I spray painted the insides white and the outside black.
I have 9 x 23 watt cfl = 207 watts
the box is 31 x 16 = 3.44 sq ft
60 watts per sq ft
i have 1 exhaust fan and the box is elevated by bricks
temperature remains around 68-72

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my only problem now is figuring out how to water them. this is quite the stealth grow and i can't take the pots out ever week to water them. i was thinking about running a hose attached to a water pump through the inside of the box with a bunch of holes poked in it. what do you guys think?

Oh and is 20% humidity a problem? the lady at the plant shop said not to worry about it.

[theelectrician]

dunno bout ur box:wtf: but plants luv water i think 20% is 2 low i like my humidity bout 50% dijja know most deserts have at least 30% humidity:hippy: ide just get a plain cardboard box and a couple floros and you may need a humidifier

[Sjapp]

DAY 17 or 10 from sprout
I just got the humidity up yesterday to 30% and up.
Its been hard to maintain a steady temperature because of how cold it is. Temperatures have dropped to 60 +/- 5 when the lights are off. I just put a space heater in the room, which i have to set a timer on every day. very tedious.

I think tomorrow im going to change the light cycle so the dark hours start in the morning right when i go to school so i can turn on the heater.

right now im doing 19/5
tomorrow i will do 18/6. dark from 7 am to 1 pm

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[Sjapp]

day 22 or 15 from sprout (i just can't remember)

i feel like my leafs look weird. one of them is absolutely retarded... and i think im going to train them at the next node, because they seem to have three i think...

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retard one right here
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[stinkyattic]

They look quite good- VERY short and tight. You may have trouble training them at the next node, they are so short.

[Sjapp]

so my plants seem to have been growing very slow and the leaves have started to droop. At first I wondered if it was the nutrients, but i have used so little i decided it was impossible. So i came to the reluctant conclusion that my pH was off. I went to the store, bought some spray to kill these fungus gnats, and i bought 15 soil pH testers. I tested the soil and the result was a very very dark green = 8 pH or higher. So I went to my chemistry class today and I asked my teacher if i could borrow one of her liquid pH testers and told her it was for my fish tank because all my fish were dieing. She let me use it for today and i tested out my water. The pH was around 8 to 9. I filled my one gallon waterer, put a teaspoon of sensigrow part a and a teaspoon of sensigrow part b in my water and then i put 3/4 teaspoon of white vinegar. The pH was lowered to 6, and i watered my plants till water came out. Tomorrow i will check my soil pH and rewater again if needed. I will also post pics

[Sjapp]

i just tied one down, and im pretty sure i uprooted the plant. i hope that nothing bad happens. here are some pics.

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[rottenfork]

id wait ill they got a bit taller before training they look a bit short although they are tightly packed, good luck!!!

[smok3y]

Hey dude.. Looking ok so far, but you might want to wait before you start tieing them down untill there a bit bigger and also id move them to a bigger pot before trainin them.. good luck with the grow :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

ph 8 or 9? Are you really sure about that? I wouldn't imagine they could survive a ph that high as such small plants.

If your ph really is 8 or 9 you should flush it with plain ph'd water instead. PH of about 6.

Also your plants look a little droopy. Is this from the watering or had they been droopy for a while.

I had a similar issue in some of my plants and could never figure it out because the plants seemed too small vs what the actual problem was.

My plants were rootbound. Root mass exploded but the foliage wasn't catching up.

Just a side observation I had about your plant that you may want to look into incase the droop isn't being caused by your most recent watering.

[Sjapp]

they are in 4 gallon pots and they are still really small so i don't think they are root bound but they could be.

they have been in veg for over a month now so the stalk was getting kind of stiff, i was scared i wouldn't be able to tie them down if i waited longer. I will keep posting pictures. Let me know when you guys think i should tie down the other one.

regarding to ph
The soils pH started at 6 or something, so the plants were fine at first. After the third watering they started to droop, and after the 4th watering they began to droop even more, so i figured it had to be the water. The ph of my water was 8. The pH of my neighbors water was 8.7. Im not sure how that works out but i got accurate readings.

Ill post some more pictures once their light period starts again

thanks for the advice.

[rottenfork]

you have to get ph level down, start using distilled water, and let thm dry out before you water 2 or 3 days, they look over watered to me they look very small for 4 weeks veg, just stick with it, im sure they will perk up soon!!!:thumbsup:

[Sjapp]

so i forgot to water. its been 7 days since watering and the plants looked like they were dead this morning. I just watered them, hopefully they are alright. i feel like a terrible gardener.

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[Sjapp]

so these next two pictures were taken less than 24 hours after the water. ive never seen them grow so fast. Probably because the last watering corrected the pH.

took these with my phone... sorry

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[Sjapp]

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Im some what embarrassed but this is a 2 month grow. They just dont seem to get any bigger but they do seem pretty healthy, especially after watering. ive been using 2 tsp of advanced nutrients and a tsp of vineger. ph of solution is 6. plants seem to love it. anyways im going to walmart later to buy some lights to flower them. they are not nearly as big as i had hoped them to be but its my first grow right. i think i just need a lot more light.

what should i do with the third plant that i just started to veg? its still to cold to plant outside