My First Georgia Outdoor Grow

[dgsgandalf]

Well guys, i've finally found a place to grow my first outdoor crop. It's shielded from view on all sides by trees, it's close to a creek so watering will be easy, and it's very easy for me to get to but obscure enough that no one would ever think to go there.

I plan on planting some seeds there some time around the second week in April. I have some Master Kush, Mango, Thai Stick, and Lowrider 2 seeds. I believe the Kush and Thai are sativa's and the Mango and Lowrider have more indica. The Lowrider's will serve as a testing ground for the bigger plants, and i will probably plant a few batches of them a month or so apart for the first few months of the grow season. Depending on how they respond to treatment, i can judge how the others should be treated.

My main questions are about soil, planting time, and starting the seeds.

Soil- The soil i'm planting in is pretty rich but has some clay in it. It retains moisture well, but i'm not sure how well it will hold oxygen. I went out today and dug several holes, back-filling them with a mixture of the native dirt, organic potting soil, and dead grass and leaves. Is there anything else i need to do to prepare my soil for seedlings?

Planting Time- I live in the middle of Georgia, and it doesn't stay cold here longer than March, but i was wondering what the safest time would be to start putting plants outside. I was thinking around the second week in April, but that's really just a rough guess. I'll probably be playing it by ear unless someone has some word on this subject.

Starting The Seeds- I've done a little bit of indoor growing in soil-less potting mix and i always started seeds in the mix. I've started experimenting with Jiffy cubes and i'm not really comfortable with them yet. But i want to give my plants the best chance they can get, so if anyone has any knowledge about starting seeds inside and transplanting them outside, I'd greatly appreciate it.

If anyone has any helpful tips for outdoor growing in middle Georgia, i'd love all the help i can get!

Thanks all and happy chiefin'!

[dylan]

Looks like you have a plan that's pretty good.

I think the soil sounds fine.

I live in TN,so we have simmilar climates. I usuall plant in April, but usually towards the end because sometimes we do have a cold spell in April that can kill young seedlings. I usually plant directly into the ground, but often times several of the sprouts get killed by bugs and such, so if you have high dollar seeds I would get them established in a pot, and then transplant them into the ground.

Keep us posted about your results.

Peace

[dgsgandalf]

When you say you plant directly into the ground, you mean you just put the seeds right into the ground? Or do you germinate them first? How long should i grow seedlings inside before i put them out?

[dylan]

I just stick them in the ground, and I would still start them outside, but have them in pots to keep them off the ground.

[twoguysupnorth]

imo you should start them first to combat bugs and frost.

[FrostAie]

I start mine in 20 ounce plastic party cups. find my spot and dig up the soil real well and deep and take half out and add fox farm organic soil and mix it. I veg the plants on 24/0 for 2 weeks with 4 CFL lights indoors, with a small fan on them this builds the stem strength for outdoor wind. Then i take them to the spot and cut down the side of the cup and add to the loose soil the hole root ball I hold it with one hand and add more organic soil around the plant all the way up the stem so the ground is VERY even so water runs evenly. I water with distilled water for a week or two then add diluted veg nutes. Almost all my plants survive this way

[dgsgandalf]

I have a pretty sweet hidden "seed starter" for starting the seeds using 4 42 watt cfl's (dimentions 15"x24"x24"), so i'll probably do that. You say 2 weeks after the cotyledon pops up out of the soil should be enough time to start the plants?

I was thinking instead of plastic cups i would use those deep planting flats with 1"x1"x5" holes. That way i could transport them in a bookbag much easier out to the planting sight, since it's a short hike into the woods.

If anyone else has any advice, i'd be happy to hear it. I'll probably start sprouting a few lowrider's mid March and put them out there for an early start at the beginning of April, then start the rest of my seeds the first week of April to have them out and growing by the end of the month.

Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

Let see if i can get the pics to show up...

This is my "seed starter"

[FrostAie]

wow nice very nice secret grow box. I usually take another plastic cup and flip it upside down and tape around the base of the plant cup and then i put inside of a big container i put about 10 plants out every 3-4 days for a few weeks at a time. All grown in corn fields they turn into monsters good luck

[dirtgrower]

Hey man,
Here is a few tips for growing in your area:

1. put them outside between 4/20 and 5/1 depending on what the weather looks like.

2. Start them now or very soon under lights so they will be big enough when you put them out to get the best start and hopefully lead to a good yield

3. Put as much compost and dead grass and pine straw and as much amendment as you can mix up in each hole.

4. Add Lime or wood ash to raise the PH. Get a cheap PH meter for $15.

5. Protect new plants from deer if in a wooded area by using wire mesh

Good luck

[dgsgandalf]

Thanks for the good advice guys. My seeds still haven't arrived from Holland, so i'm pretty much waiting for those before i can do anything. Also, i met a guy in Blockbuster last week (wreaked of weed) who said he could get me Super Silver Haze clones. I was pretty sketched out at first, but talked to him on the phone a little and he seems legit. Only problem is he's charging $200/clone for first generation and $100/clone for second generation. Is that even worth it or should i just stick to what i've got? This is my first outdoor grow.

Thanks!

[dirtgrower]

Hey man

I would definitely not purchase clones or anything else illegal fom someone I just met. I would not even discuss it.

Good luck

[dj00140]

thats expensive when u can get the seeds for that much....

[dgsgandalf]

Yeah, that's true, they are expensive, and i did meet him in blockbuster. But he was the one who brought it up, not me. We actually went out to his car in the parking lot so he could show me his stash (about 1/2 oz of SSHaze). So i guess that made me feel a little more comfortable.

Bottom line, it's simply too risky/stupid to get clones from someone i don't know, and they're too expensive anyway.

Has anyone else had any kind of experience similar to this?

Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

By the way, random fun fact of the day...

There is a mountain range in East Asia called the Kush mountains. Probably where the strain "Kush" originally got it's name from.

Peace!

[melodious fellow]

Do not take those clones bro.

If you live in GA, it does not become 12/12 until around september/october right?

If you plant sativas this early, you will have redwood sized ganja trees... haha

good luck

peace

[dirtgrower]

"Do not take those clones bro.

If you live in GA, it does not become 12/12 until around september/october right?

If you plant sativas this early, you will have redwood sized ganja trees... haha"

Hey man I wish the above were true. I live in AL by the GA boarder and we do everything we can do in order to try and create these "redwood sized trees" including planting late flowering Sativas early in the season.

From my view there is no such thing as a plant the got "too big" or then yielded "too much bud"

Seroiuosly man, If you plant a late flowering strain early in the season say around 4/21 - 5/1, you should get a big plant with proper preparation and care, but it will never get "too big" unless you are trying to keep it short to keep it hidden, in wich case you may want to look for some new spots to grow in. Also try topping them.

[dgsgandalf]

Yeah, i agree that you can't have a plant that's "too big" outside. I'm planting mostly hybrid plants that won't get bigger than 6 or 7 feet tall at most. If you want one of those plants that grows 20 feet tall, you'd have to get a pure, tropical sativa like a pure "haze" or a pure "thai" strain of some kind. I think those are the ones that grow really big.

I am going to top a few of each strain and let a few of each grow normally to see what kind of difference it makes around harvest time.

Peace!

[Ruiner]

You can always trim them, eh?

I think last year for me in Ga, the flowering started in late Aug and they were set out to dry by mid-Oct.

[dgsgandalf]

I believe the Kush and Thai are sativa's and the Mango and Lowrider have more indica.

Correction. The Kush is a nearly pure indica. My first statement was based on what i remember of the last kush i smoked. I looked up the genetics of Master Kush and it appears there is little or no sativa in it at all.

If anyone knows the exact genetic make-up of any of my strains, i'd love to know. I'm kind of a nerd that way...

Happy Chiefin'!

[dgsgandalf]

Ok guys. So my seeds finally came in the mail. Here are some pics.

My plan is to germinate about half the seeds a week from today inside and grow them for 2-3 weeks in cut down solo cups full of organic potting soil. When they have a few leaves and a basic root system i will transplant them outside. If for any reason (I saw deer in my back yard today) the seedlings should not make it, i'll still have half the seeds to try again. If they do make it, i can do the rest of the seeds the same way or save them for later.

I'll keep everyone posted on what's going on.

[Nathan604]

i like the seed starter idea, very deiscrete:thumbsup:

[dgsgandalf]

So in my OCD thoroughness i was checking the almanac for my area to see when the sun rises and sets. It turns out that the time i was planning to move the plants outside, the days are only about 13 hours long from sunrise to sunset. I am getting a little worried that that wont be long enough to start good vegetative growth. Here's the information i'm looking at.

SUN
Begin civil twilight 6:45 a.m.
Sunrise 7:11 a.m.
Sun transit 1:40 p.m.
Sunset 8:09 p.m.
End civil twilight 8:34 p.m.

Can anyone help me out here? Should i be worried?

[street312punk]

You can grow inside till they are 1 ft tall and then move outside.

[FrostAie]

grow to 5 feet lol

[dylan]

How much light are they getting now?

13 hours is enough to grow in a veg. state if they are used to it. If they're in 18 hours until they are sexually mature then they will probably start to flower outside. However, if you only grow them for a few weeks indoors they should be fine.

[dgsgandalf]

I would grow inside a little longer but i don't have enough space to grow ~20 plants more than a few inches. That and my roommates don't know i'm doing this and i can't let them find out. I'll probably grow them to 3 or 4 inches, then i have to move them.

Are there going to be any negative consequences to moving them outside under only 13 hours of real sun light?

[dgsgandalf]

So my original idea for a starter box kind of flopped. No matter how hard i try, i can't keep light from leaking out of the dresser. I ended up improvising and using a tupperware container instead. I have 1 20w CFL in there right now to keep the heat around 80 degrees. Is this going to be enough to keep seedlings happy for 2 or 3 weeks or do i need to switch to a 42w CFL?

Here's a pic of my current setup.

[street312punk]

No i dont think youll have a problem if you move them outside at 4 in. with 13/11 cycle. As long as they stay healthy.

[FrostAie]

So my original idea for a starter box kind of flopped. No matter how hard i try, i can't keep light from leaking out of the dresser. I ended up improvising and using a tupperware container instead. I have 1 20w CFL in there right now to keep the heat around 80 degrees. Is this going to be enough to keep seedlings happy for 2 or 3 weeks or do i need to switch to a 42w CFL?

Here's a pic of my current setup.

I dont think that light will be good enough for all those small plants even though your not growing them for a long time some will stretch towards the light If you were to get 3-5 it looks like it could work just be careful to keep fresh air moving inside and when its on its dark cycle to keep it completely dark

[dgsgandalf]

If you check out the pic in my post right above, you can see a fan cut into the right side of the box. That's an 80 CFM fan pulling air out of the box. I also cut several vent holes in the top of the box to allow a passive air intake. The temp inside the box is still around 80 degrees with only the 20w CFL, probably because the box is in my closet and is covered with a blanket. I am kinda stuck here because i can't think of a way to add more light without making the temp inside the closet/box too high and still keep the stealthiness i need.

Any ideas?

[Backpacker420]

Ok guys. So my seeds finally came in the mail. Here are some pics.

My plan is to germinate about half the seeds a week from today inside and grow them for 2-3 weeks in cut down solo cups full of organic potting soil. When they have a few leaves and a basic root system i will transplant them outside. If for any reason (I saw deer in my back yard today) the seedlings should not make it, i'll still have half the seeds to try again. If they do make it, i can do the rest of the seeds the same way or save them for later.

I'll keep everyone posted on what's going on.
Hey man, who did you order from? (No link, I just want the name ;))

[dgsgandalf]

Search Marijuana-seeds in google, and it's the second result. Good prices, but i expect the seeds are not the pure, original strains. I'm a newb grower, so i just wanted some good seeds (not bagseed) to start out with. Later on when i feel more comfortable growing MJ i'll prob get some Kali Mist seeds from Serious Seeds. Been wanting to try that one for a while...

[dbfr3sh]

hey man so far your doing everything right. big problem tho...that light isnt going to do anything. i just started 20 plants inside a tv unit. they just popped and arent even out of the ground yet and i have 4 100w replacement cfl in there and will probably add another or 2 in a couple weeks. another thing u want to remember is those lights dont get hot and they dnt project that far. im keeping my lights about 4in away, too much further than that and they arent doing you any good. im starting a grow log in the next couple days. look it up if you need help. good start best thing i can tell you is read a shit load of books/magazines. good luck!

[street312punk]

You should use fluorescent lights..i use them and the grow pretty quick they pop out the first day or second. They're cheap too.:)

[dgsgandalf]

I was planning on using 2 42w CFls, but my grow space is a closed box in a small closet, and even with the fan, the lights are heating up the box significantly. Maybe if i rearranged the lights/fan so the lights hang from the top of the box and the fan sits on the top right between them...

I'll try a few different things and see what works. Security is a big issue, so i'm limited, but thanks for the suggestions and keep em comin!

p.s. I soaked the seeds overnight 2 nights ago and when i stuck them in the dirt, at least one of each strain had germinated. When they start showing above ground i'll take more pics and post them

[bombdiggity]

heat rises, so IMO you should have your exhaust closer to the top, while your intake holes should be near the bottom to bring fresh, cooler air right to your plants.

[Backpacker420]

heat rises, so IMO you should have your exhaust closer to the top, while your intake holes should be near the bottom to bring fresh, cooler air right to your plants.
Exactly what I have always told people to do. ;)

[dgsgandalf]

So it turns out that i am smarter than a plastic box...

I now have 2 42w CFLs each about 3 inches from the dirt lighting the box with the inside temp around 92 degrees. It's a little hot, but hell, it's way better than before. The first sprouts are starting to pop out of the dirt, so i'll move the light cycle to ~15 hours on, 9 off. The first ones to show are a few LR2 and 1 master kush. I expect that by tomorrow, i'll have more showing.

I'll take some pics of the new setup and the sprouts in a few days when the plants grow a little more. Until then, wish me luck!

Peace

[dgsgandalf]

Pics. I'm happy to report that 100% of my seeds germinated in very good time. Some of the sprouts are a little slow to get going, but that could be due to all kinds of things; heat stress, water stress (it's hard to keep these puppies hydrated in their current environment), or maybe they're just slow growers. Either way, they'll be going outside in approx 2 weeks.

One benefit of the box is that it will be very easy to transport the seedlings to the grow site. Just snap on the top, detach the fan and lights, and go.

On another note, i've been experimenting with Jiffy pots using other types of seeds (cilantro, basil, etc) and i think they're a better choice than what i'm doing now. I'm getting more comfortable with them and I'll prob use them when i sprout the next group of seeds.

Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

Forgot to ask. In the third pic, one of my LR2s came out with a 3rd cotyledon leaf. I'm pretty sure this is nothing to worry about, but just to make sure, has anyone ever seen this happen, and is it anything to worry about?

Peace!

[Mr. Clandestine]

You're fine. It may grow a little oddly shaped for a while, but it's nothing to worry about. :jointsmile:

[Backpacker420]

Looking good! I envy your setup!

[dgsgandalf]

I need some emergency advice. My setup just isn't working. It is too hot with too little dirt per plant and i am having to water these things every 4 hours. That and i'm pretty sure the heat is making the seedlings stretch, because the biggest ones are 3 inches tall now and only have cotyledons and 1 set of small leaves.

I am going to my grow sight tomorrow and i will be planting 1 of each strain to see what happens. The weather this week is supposed to be 70-80 during the day and no colder than 50 at night with a little rain.

I guess my question is this. Do my tiny little seedlings even have a chance? I imagine a few will survive, but i would hate to waste all those seeds (and money) because of my own stupidity. What can i do to help them out?

[Backpacker420]

Sure they stand a chance, but remember that Mother Nature can be cruel. If a torrential downpour were to happen, your babies would be wiped out!

Maybe invest in some chicken wire to put around the plants, so no curious animals can eat them...

PS - If heat is simply the issue, there is definitely ways to circumvent it. For example, revamp your air circulation! Add additional exhaust fans to get that hot air out of there.

[dgsgandalf]

If heat is simply the issue, there is definitely ways to circumvent it. For example, revamp your air circulation! Add additional exhaust fans to get that hot air out of there.

Heat is only one of the issues. There isn't enough dirt in each cup to keep the plants watered for more than 4 hours when the lights and exhaust fan are on. I think it's a combination of heat and the 80 CFM fan blowing on them that's drying them out and causing the stretching.

I'm about to re-plant all of the plants in a single large container filled with dirt. That way it will be easier to water them and the dirt will stay wet much longer. It will be a little bit harder to transplant them, but i think it will be worth it. They will also fit under the lights better, which they will like. I'll post some pics when i'm done.

p.s. i didn't have time this morning to plant those babies outside. hopefully they'll do fine in the closet for another week or two.

[dylan]

I would try to avoid planting them all in one container. Also, the streching si due to low light, not excessive heat, and their looks to be enough soil in those pots for them to grow for a few weeks; the heat is your problem there.

Peace

[dgsgandalf]

I don't think the light is really all that bad. 2 42w CFLs within a few inches of all the plants. I've heard of heat making plants stretch, and since it's close to 100 degrees in the box, i'm assuming that's what it is.

Regardless of all my worries, all the kids are looking pretty good so far. I'll post some pics tonight.

Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

Ok, so day 6 from germination and the kids are lookin good. Yesterday i added dirt to each container up to the top of the cup. Today i fed the plants with a very dilute solution of bloom nutes and rearranged the plants a little to take advantage of the lighting better.

I did not end up planting them all in a large container of grow medium and i did not end up planting any of them outside. I decided to just stick with what i have, and in 1.5-2 weeks when the weather looks good i will move them all outside. The roots on the plants are looking pretty good. They are starting to build up in the bottom of the cups and are white, hairy, and healthy looking. I didn't get any pics of the roots, but i'll try to get some for my next pic-posting.

If anyone has questions or advice for something i can do better, i'd love to hear from you!

Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

I finally solved my heat problem by adding ducting that brings air to the fan from cooler parts of the closet. Temp is now down around 89 degrees (instead of 100) and it seems like none of the kids are stretching any more. Hopefully i've solved that problem for good.

I'll post pics tonight when i get home from work.

[SnSstealth]

lookin good DG!! cant wait to see the girls grow up...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

did ya wanna ask me something? gotta blank rep from ya...

[dgsgandalf]

I guess i'm kinda new the rep thing SNS. I just thought you gave people rep if you thought they were doing a good job. :) I guess i'll have to figure that one out when i'm not stoned...

So here's my latest update. Day 9 since germination and the first set of true leaves are forming on the kids. I mentioned before, but all (100%) of the 18 seeds i soaked germinated within 2 or 3 days and are growing nicely.

The first 2 pics of the right and left side of the box were taken today, and the third pic was taken yesterday to show the basic roots of an average seedling in my group.

Not much else to report. If weather permits, i'll be moving the kids outside on 4-20, which is appropriate and possibly good karma. I'm thinking about going out that day and buying some chicken wire to build around the kids to protect them from deer and other pests.

I'll probably post another pic update in a couple days.
Peace!

p.s. i moved the lights up an inch today because the plants right under the lights were getting too close. We'll see if this affects plant growth at all

[dylan]

Looks good. You seem to have worked out the kinks in your setup. I'll be looking forward to your progress.

[dgsgandalf]

Is 42 degrees at night time too cold for cannabis? I'm thinking it might stress the plants a little and possibly create hermies.

[dgsgandalf]

For you thread junkies...

Day 10 shows significant growth over day 9. Within a week, most of my plants will be jumping into full vegetative growth. At that point, I'll probably move them outside.

Pics!

p.s. as i type this post, i can hear police sirens outside. am i worried? Hell no! They'll never catch me :pimp:

[dgsgandalf]

These are the final pics of the plants inside. The weather is perfect and the kids are lookin good, so i'm goin today to plant them. I'll take some pics of them in the ground and post them later today.

pic1: box
pic2: LR2
pic3: Mango
pic4: Master Kush
pic5: Thai Stick

Wish me luck!

[SnSstealth]

good luck man!!! get them girls in the sun!!
WT

[Backpacker420]

Now THAT is my favorite shade of green!! :D

[ViperC6]

These are the final pics of the plants inside. The weather is perfect and the kids are lookin good, so i'm goin today to plant them. I'll take some pics of them in the ground and post them later today.

Nice pics.:thumbsup: I just wanted to comment on that I have heard that its better to slowly adapt the plants to the sunlight by giving them time outside for a few hours before transplanting them outside for good. Just so they aren't effected to greatly by the elements. But I've never really grown outside so, maybe I'm not a good judge on such things.:rastasmoke:

[dgsgandalf]

Nice pics.:thumbsup: I just wanted to comment on that I have heard that its better to slowly adapt the plants to the sunlight by giving them time outside for a few hours before transplanting them outside for good. Just so they aren't effected to greatly by the elements. But I've never really grown outside so, maybe I'm not a good judge on such things.:rastasmoke:

I guess I'll know for next time. :)

I planted the kids today and they look pretty good. Still a bit small, but i think they'll make it. The sunlight was pretty dim today. Lots of clouds and such. I planted the LR2 and Thai Stick in a patch together, and the Kush and Mango in the other patch, then watered both pretty well.

I have a chart of which plants are which, but I'm feeling too lazy to mess with that right now. Here are some pics of a few plants in the ground and 1 of the LR2/TS patch all planted up.

I'll prob head back on Saturday to check shit out. Until then...

:hippy:

[dgsgandalf]

Wow, i just want to say that i love Ganja.

I was sitting at my computer yesterday for 5 hours and today for 2 hours trying to write this paper, and it just wasn't coming to me. I kept deleting the shit i wrote and started a few times. Then i ripped on my bong i call Shiva (after the hindu goddess of ganga :thumbsup: ) and within 30 minutes i had written 3 pages of creative literature and completed the paper.

If it wasn't for this amazing herb we all love, i would still be toiling over that paper right now. Call it fuckin aderal, put it in pill form, but we gotta get it legalized. If any of you have read the book "The Emperor Wears No Clothes", by Jack Herer, you know exactly how big a thing it could be. For those of you who haven't, i recommend you do.

Anyway, enough with my stoner rampage. Good night everyone and happy chiefin!:bigsmoke:

[dylan]

I was sitting at my computer yesterday for 5 hours and today for 2 hours trying to write this paper, and it just wasn't coming to me. I kept deleting the shit i wrote and started a few times. Then i ripped on my bong i call Shiva (after the hindu goddess of ganga :thumbsup: ) and within 30 minutes i had written 3 pages of creative literature and completed the paper.

I've done the same thig myself, but just read over it sober because I know I tend to ramble on if i'm high. I will have great points, but they need condensing.

BTW, plants look great. You will really see some fast growing now. Just remember to keep them a secret.:weedpoke:

Peace:greenthumb:

[dgsgandalf]

Yeah, keeping your mouth shut is the hardest but most important part of growin ganja. 'Cause if it aint a secret, it aint gonna work!

[dgsgandalf]

Pics were taken yesterday. I went back to check out the patch after a heavy rain, and all the kids were looking happy, healthy, and larger. It looks like the transplant outside went off without a hitch. Good things...

Pic 1&2: TS
Pic 3&4: LR2
Pic 5: TS/LR2 Patch

[dgsgandalf]

For this one, i'm not sure which plants are which, but all these pics were from the MK/MG patch. I do know in the pic of 4 plants they are all Master Kush.

I also have a question. When should i start fertilizing the plants? Since it rained heavily right before i went to the patch yesterday, i didn't fertilize or water the kids. I'll probably start watering this week depending on weather, and i don't know when or how much nutes to add. Any advice?

[denial102]

hey bro, firstly you have some lovely plants there, they are going to grow into monstors, I hope they are spaced away from eachother. If they aren't I recommend LSTing them in different directions from eachother (for light and oxygen, etc).

I was always taught you shouldnt nute a plant before it's got its first set of "adult" leaves but if the soil your working in is low in nutrients, I'd want to find a good vegging nute and try it in very low doses to start (you can't hurt adults with a low dose, but be careful seedlings are sensitive as I'm sure you know)

Peace 2 u my friend,
Denial

[SnSstealth]

i wouldn't nute for a while.... and the kids look great! good luck on the outdoor venture:thumbsup: how close to the coast? might wanna check your air salinity whenever you can...friend had a couple die outside down south
WT

[fenderninja]

I can't wait to see these things grow.

they'll... be giants... <quivers>

[FrostAie]

They look pretty good I think you had a good idea to grow legit grass around the plants so they don't look to obvious in brown soil. I think you grew them kind of close together I would say give them at least 6 feet in between and never more than 4-5 in a single location. Other than that they look pretty green and I am jealous it is pretty much snowing here in Ohio and I have to wait a few more weeks to move some babies outside. I would start looking for nutrients online I have found some cheap liquid nutrients on eBay and a few other online stores

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[dgsgandalf]

i wouldn't nute for a while.... and the kids look great! good luck on the outdoor venture:thumbsup: how close to the coast? might wanna check your air salinity whenever you can...friend had a couple die outside down south
WT

I'm pretty far in from the coast. Far enough to not have to worry about salinity. You'd have to be either very close to the east coast or down in the everglades to get salt in the water/ground.


hey bro, firstly you have some lovely plants there, they are going to grow into monstors, I hope they are spaced away from eachother. If they aren't I recommend LSTing them in different directions from eachother (for light and oxygen, etc).

I actually didn't space them too far apart 'cause i figure about half of them are gonna be males and will get the chop. This will leave more room for the females to grow. If there are several females all bunched up together, i'll def LST them to spread out the budding sites.


So the kids second big test is approaching. It's supposed to be in the 30's and windy tonight at the grow site. Once again, i'm really not that worried because the grass i piled up around them should protect them from the wind, and I doubt it's actually going to freeze... knock on wood...
They stood up to the first test beautifully (torrential downpours) so hopefully they'll be ok.

I'll probably head back to the grow site on Tuesday to check out the kids. Pics then...

Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

It's now day 17 since germination. All the plants are looking pretty good. None were killed by the cold weather last night, and most look like they've grown since i planted them.

I don't have a whole lot to say. I'll probably start fertilizing them as soon as they all show positive vegetative growth. Maybe this weekend?

I saw a small bug (who knows what kind) on the leaf of 1 of the plants. It didn't look like a pest, but i killed it anyway.

Here are the pics. MK/MGo

[dgsgandalf]

More pics. These are of the TS and LR2. The LR2 has slimmer, longer leaves, and the TS has the fat, short leaves. Looks like some uber indica to me, but it's supposed to be a mix of Thai sativa and some kind of skunk. Who knows...

[creationstepper]

lookin good.hope they continue to progress!:thumbsup:how much light do u think ur plants r getting?

[dgsgandalf]

I was there this morning at around 9:30 AM, and at least half the plants were in full sunlight (i have a few patches). They have some small trees around them, but they won't be blocking much of the sun light. Hopefully it will be enough.
Would it be a good or bad idea to post pictures of the area around my patches for you guys to see? Someone could use them for incriminating purposes...

Also, as i was walking through the woods today, I saw 2 rabits and think i heard a deer. All my plants were fully intact. I think there's enough soft green stuff growing around the kids to protect them from becoming the appetizer for some animal's lunch...

[creationstepper]

i wouldnt post pics of the grow area.with the technology the cops have in ga bein you never kno what to expect(friends dad is a cop and tells us about it).big bro is always watchin.
cant wait to see the harvest

[BlaZinROC]

You might wanna consider surrounding your plants with some sort of fence just to make sure no critters ruin what could be a beautiful harvest. Chicken wire spray painted black is almost invisible.

[dgsgandalf]

I'm planning on going out to the patch either tomorrow or Sunday. It hasn't rained since maybe Monday, and i'm planning on fertilizing and watering the plants. It's supposed to rain on Monday as well, but i figure it never hurts to water more when they're outside...

In another two weeks, the LR2 should be showing sex and i'll be reducing the size of my patch. Anyone know exactly how many weeks it's supposed to take to show sex? Today would be day 20 since germination.

Updates tomorrow.
Peace!

p.s. Sunday is 4-20. As if EVERYONE on this site didn't already know that...

[dgsgandalf]

I went out to the patch yesterday, and the kids are doing fine. All except for the one i found dead... I was looking at the patch thinking, there's something wrong here, then i realized. I had to look around in the grass, but i found the dead dried up leaves of one of my MK plants. Oh well. There wasn't enough room for all of them to grow anyway...

I didn't end up watering them. Apparently it rained a qtr inch the night before and the soil was pretty well saturated. That, and the fact that i'm still not satisfied that all the plants are in full vegetative growth yet, and i don't want to burn any of the young ones.

Pics. These are of the dead one, and the MK/ Mango Patch.

[dgsgandalf]

More pics. These are of the TS/ LR2 patch. If you look closely, the 2 TS plants are already growing noticeably taller than the LR2 plants.

Of the 2 pics i took of the entire patch, which one do you guys like better? I used 2 different camera modes, and i can't decide which one i like...

[FrostAie]

your plants are going to be very crowded in about a month or two I would suggest keeping them at least 3 feet apart because the roots will spread like a slut with aids. Some of my plants that are outdoors are about the same size as yours I am waiting another week before I am going to give them diluted nutes. I will try to get some pictures tonight but dont know how well they will look with no flash.

[dylan]

Plants are lookin' good! I wouldn't worry too much about them being close together. Some are bound to be male, and they will be pulled later.

Keep up the good work.

[dgsgandalf]

Yeah, i figure i'll have to pull about half of them anyway. If any of the remaining plants are just way too close, i'll LST them to pull them appart.

I honestly didn't really think about the roots growing together. The good news is that most of my plants are indica dominant, and indica's tend to grow tighter compact root balls. So maybe it won't matter too much.

[dgsgandalf]

Oh, and by the way, i keep forgetting...

Happy 4-20!!!!!

[dgsgandalf]

Hey guys, i was just doing some research about the Lowrider 2, and it appears that the male plants start showing signs of flower as early as day 17 and the females as early as day 21. Today is day 23 or 24.

If you look at the first picture in post #79, the growing top looks different than any of the other plants in the pictures i took that day. I'm thinking that the LR2's are already blooming. I'm probably heading out to the patch tomorrow to check things out and maybe even pull some males, who knows.

I'm excited!

Peace:rastasmoke:

[dgsgandalf]

Sure enough, the LR2s are already flowering... on day 23... wow...

Of the 5 i have out there, 2 were definitely male. They had balls and everything, so they got the chop :D 2 of them are still too undeveloped to tell, but i think i have 1 more male and 1 more female. And finally, 1 was definitely female with long white hairs growing out of her nodes and even top. Unfortunately, my hand was pretty shaky today (I get that way under stress and tired; weed helps) and most of the pictures suck.

I did fertilize them all today. I figure if they're f***ing blooming, they can probably take some nutes, right? The patch with the blooming LR2s got about half strength Miracle Grow flowering nutes at 15-30-15 and the MK/MG patch got Miracle Grow veg nutes at 24-8-12. We'll see how they look in 2 days and i can determine what to do.

Here are the pics. The MK/MG patch looks pretty similar, except that the plants are all still a bit smaller. I think i planted them too soon. The sun isn't hitting them all day just yet, it's still too low on the horizon.

Pic 1: Side view of the healthiest plant i had. Unfortunately, it was a male LR2 and it got the chop!
Pic 2: The same male LR2 as in Pic1
Pic 3: The balls on the second LR2 male that also got the chop
Pic 4: Female! Long white hairs at the node
Pic 5: One of the TS plants. They're all growing fast!

Let me know what you guys think!

[SnSstealth]

good stuff!!! glad everythings going ok...
WT

[dgsgandalf]

I went out to the patch today. Everything looks good. Sure enough, 1 of the remaining unsexed LR2's was a male and one was a female. I got some good pics of the first female LR2 but it's still kinda hard to see the hairs on the second one.

The MK MG patch is looking good as well. I was worried at first that they weren't growing fast enough, but then it occurred to me, it's still April... They'll be just fine :)

I'd like to report on the smell today as well. The LR2's had a delicious skunky smell that i can already smell from a foot away. The MK and MG both smelled very sweet, almost like sweet basil. The TS didn't really smell at all, but i guess that's the sativa dominance coming through there.

I fertilized each patch with almost full strength nutes. The reason i decided to switch to full strength today is that one of the MG plants had some yellow in the leaves (a little too much for me) and i figured they could use the extra energy anyway.

Pic 1: LR2 #2
Pic 2: TS 1
Pic 3: TS 2
Pic 4: TS bugs
Pic 5: LR2 #1

If you guys would look at the fourth pic, i found some bugs on one of the TS plants today. I think they're just little green hopper bugs, but i'm not sure if i should be worried. Can someone help me out?

[dgsgandalf]

More pics. These are of the MK MG patch. Due to the random arrangement of the plants, i'm still not sure which is which unless i'm looking at the patch, but they all look pretty much the same right now.

The last pic is of my smallest plant. It's in the corner that probably gets the least amount of light.

[dylan]

Lookin' good. Are you going to top them?

[dgsgandalf]

I was thinking about it. Never actually topped before. This is my first grow that will actually finish (hopefully).

I was going to wait until the kids show pre-flowers to top them. Will that be too late? I was also going to LST them if there were too many females growing too close together.

Also, i don't know how these strains respond to topping. I imagine the Mango and Master Kush would be just fine, but i've never even heard of the Thai Stick strain before, and i have no idea how it will respond.

Any ideas? What would be the best time to top them if i was going to do that? Now or later?

[dgsgandalf]

On another note that i forgot to mention earlier (stoned?) I soaked the rest of my LR2 seeds last night and put them in Jiffy cubes this morning. Hopefully they'll all pop up in the next few days. I'll post something on those when there's something to post.

Peace!

[SnSstealth]

i would top right when you switch to 12/12....IMO
WT

[dgsgandalf]

i would top right when you switch to 12/12....IMO
WT

Lol, thanks SNS, i will follow that strategy when i start growing inside, and i'm sure that would work great if i was controlling the light cycle. Since the kids are outside, i can't do that.

I have looked around and read up a little, and i'm trying to decide between the method where you take off the top 2 or 3 full nodes and the method where you snip off the top 90% of the growing top (FIM i think it's called). If i took off the top 2 or 3 nodes, i would probably have to wait until there are 6 or 7 nodes to make sure i don't mess anything up. If i did the other strategy, i could probably do it now.

Any thoughts or suggestions? I'll prob snip a few and leave a few to grow naturally. Who knows though. I tend to change my mind a lot...

:jointsmile:

[Opie Yutts]

Hmmm, thoughts or suggestions. I think you make your own luck, and I suggest you buy stock in LED lighting development.

Also, your bugs are aphids. They are undesirable, but they don't really cause much damage. I wouldn't worry. Pest damage is a fact of life when growing outdoors and the sooner that's accepted the better. As far as topping, I do all mine well in the veg stage only, and most all methods produce about the same yield. FIMing seems to work fine for me, but doesn't produce the 8 bud sites talked about, maybe one or two more than regular snipping. You don't have to take off 2 or 3 nodes when topping unless you just want a cutting for clones or something, or you want your plant smaller. I recommend topping once or twice so the outdoor plants will grow bushier instead of taller. Better for stealth and strength, and probably yield.

Whenever I water my outdoor grows I mix up some of my usual hydro nutes at about half hydro strength. Another approach is to use Miracle Grow soil that has time release nutes in it. Yeah, I said that. It actually works very well for producing huge healthy plants with very little effort.

I would invest in some Liquid Fence rather than an actual fence. I believe it really works, and if you have a problem with a large omnivore I would try that before a real fence. Just don't get any on you. Also blood meal hung in nylon stockings is supposed to work. I've tried a combination of the two and that seems to work very well.

What else? I don't know, any questions?

[dgsgandalf]

Liquid fence? I've never heard of it. What exactly is it and where can i buy it? It's strange, because i see rabits around my patch almost every time i go out there, but they never seem to chew on my plants. There are deer in the area too, but they don't seem to do anything either.

When would you recommend topping? Should i wait for there to be 5-7+ nodes or can i do it now? I'm not really that worried about security beacuse the plants are well hidden in an obscure location, but i AM worried about yield. Since this is my first outdoor grow, i'm trying not to have too high expectations, but i still wanna do the best i can.

I just started 5 new LR2's in the closet and i'll probably plant them in organic top soil when i move them outside.

If you can think of anything else or any general tips for outdoor growing, i'd love to hear them!

Thanks for the advice!

[phatsesh101]

hey hows it going,looking nice. first off i was wondering how you sexed them plants so early if you can get pics of the ones your removing they dont look that mature i dont see the nodes alternating.

outdoors i usually fim at the fifth node or set of leves it doesnt always work for five main colas though or for me anyway somtimes i just get two it takes practice to get that cut right.

outdoors your plant will notice the summer solstice and show flowers about a month later they dont need 12/12 to flower they start flowering the day the notice that 1 minute less of sunlight or really about two weeks after solstice and natural light spectrum change thus you end up with flowering days 17,16,15 hours long cause you generally lose about 1-5 minutes a day. long days of flower result in a larger yeild
an idea for an indoor experiment.

beware some sativas ive had to take into the second week of november and ive had indicas that are ready mid to late september.
also

[Opie Yutts]

Liquid fence? I've never heard of it. What exactly is it and where can i buy it? It's strange, because i see rabits around my patch almost every time i go out there, but they never seem to chew on my plants. There are deer in the area too, but they don't seem to do anything either.


When would you recommend topping? Should i wait for there to be 5-7+ nodes or can i do it now? I'm not really that worried about security beacuse the plants are well hidden in an obscure location, but i AM worried about yield. Since this is my first outdoor grow, i'm trying not to have too high expectations, but i still wanna do the best i can.

I just started 5 new LR2's in the closet and i'll probably plant them in organic top soil when i move them outside.

If you can think of anything else or any general tips for outdoor growing, i'd love to hear them!

IMO LF (Liquid Fence) is a great product that smells like shit. Iâ??ve got deer and rabbit all over the place and they leave my plants alone. Iâ??ve always used LF, and I know that if I didnâ??t my plants would be eaten to nearly nothing. Thatâ??s what happens to all tender shoots around here, even ones right up close to our house. I wouldnâ??t consider an outdoor grow in a forest without the stuff. Itâ??s guaranteed to work and itâ??s rain repellent, so you donâ??t have to apply it every time it rains. I think they recommend at least once a month or something.

They make a few different kinds, but youâ??re probably after the deer and rabbit one like in the pictures. I first bought the pre mixed version and quickly ran out, so I bought the concentrate which makes it pretty economical.

If youâ??re seeing signs of rabbit and deer you are tempting fate if you donâ??t take measures to prevent your plants from being eaten or trampled. Oh yeah, my very first outdoor grow in this area was started without any pest deterrent, and the deer ended up making a trail right through the middle of the grow. They didnâ??t eat anything, but they trampled a few plants to death. Thatâ??s when I discovered LF.

You can buy it at any farm store, and probably a lot of garden stores. Around here the big farm stores are Coastal and Wilco. Itâ??s also available all over the internet. One thing to consider however, an actual fence can also serve as something to tie the branches to when the get heavy with bud. Iâ??ve had more than a few break on me once they get wet.

I top once the plants are strong and healthy, like after a month of good growth, then maybe again in 3 weeks, but not always. You can do it any time you think a plant can take it, but Iâ??d let it have at least 3 or 4 good nodes first. I think itâ??s kinda important for outdoor plants because it makes more buds and smaller buds. If you just have a few big colas they may be more likely to break then a bunch of smaller ones. If youâ??re somehow supporting everything then it doesnâ??t matter. Topping, FIMing, LSTing, not topping, whatever, all produce about the same yield. Theyâ??re just different roads to the same destination. In general, I try to leave my plants alone as much as possible, and definitely donâ??t cut on them once they go to flower.

Iâ??ve often thought of trying LR2. Looking forward to seeing what happens with yours. As far as anything else I can think of for you, you might this interesting: http://boards.cannabis.com/outdoor-growing/154446-growing-ethics.html (http://boards.cannabis.com/outdoor-growing/154446-growing-ethics.html)

I hope that helps. Anything else let me know.

[phatsesh101]

animals generally stay away from weed especially when foliage is abundant but im not saying that they wont eat it but it less likely when leaves fall and the only food is some weed though also bugs start to dissappear in the summer atleast where i live most prob sre in early spring and early fall especially catapillars for me which need to be dug out of the buds lil fuckers but i get finger hash so there is a bright side

[Opie Yutts]

If you don't want to read that whole thing, this is what I thought you might find interesting:

When I'm growing outdoors I:
- have several entry points to the grow to help eliminate paths.
- sweep away foot prints and remove incriminating evidence.
- compromise between camouflaged and full sun plants so they are harder to see from the air.
- spread out plant positions to look natural instead of like a crop.
- duck under some brush and hold completely still if an aircraft approaches.
- use liquid fence. It really seems to keep away rabbits and deer.
- try to grow inside a brier patch or some difficult brush, with a small tunnel for entry.

[dgsgandalf]

first off i was wondering how you sexed them plants so early if you can get pics of the ones your removing they dont look that mature i dont see the nodes alternating.

outdoors i usually fim at the fifth node or set of leves it doesnt always work for five main colas though or for me anyway somtimes i just get two it takes practice to get that cut right.

outdoors your plant will notice the summer solstice and show flowers about a month later they dont need 12/12 to flower

Thanks for the response Phat! The only plants that i have sexed are the Low Rider's. They are an auto-flowering variety that shows sex in the third week after germination. You can check out any of the recent pics to see the white hairs.

I actually topped my plants today. I chose 1 of each of my strains that seemed to have the most nodes. Pics below...

Very interesting about the summer solstice. I did know about the shorter flowering cycle, but i was unaware that plants can tell a difference in a few minutes. Amazing!


animals generally stay away from weed especially when foliage is abundant but im not saying that they wont eat it but it less likely when leaves fall and the only food is some weed though also bugs start to dissappear in the summer atleast where i live most prob sre in early spring and early fall especially catapillars for me which need to be dug out of the buds lil fuckers but i get finger hash so there is a bright side

I haven't had much problem with animals yet. One of my plants today looked like an animal had him for lunch, but it's still alive and hopefully will still grow and flower. I can only expect to lose a few to animals and i'm not too worried about it just yet.

Catarpillars would ruin my day though...


If you don't want to read that whole thing, this is what I thought you might find interesting:

When I'm growing outdoors I:
- have several entry points to the grow to help eliminate paths.
- sweep away foot prints and remove incriminating evidence.
- compromise between camouflaged and full sun plants so they are harder to see from the air.
- spread out plant positions to look natural instead of like a crop.
- duck under some brush and hold completely still if an aircraft approaches.
- use liquid fence. It really seems to keep away rabbits and deer.
- try to grow inside a brier patch or some difficult brush, with a small tunnel for entry.

I do have several entry points to the patch, but i'm not taking many other precautions. I feel pretty damn good about my patch location, and i'd be very surprised if anyone accidentally came across it. I think i will invest in liquid fence. It seems like a worth while purchase considering the forest location. Any suggestions where to find it cheap? eBay?



Thanks for the input guys! I'll def think about all this stuff as the year goes on.

Pics below...

[dgsgandalf]

Plants look good. Very healthy, stretching a little perhaps, but overall very good.

One of my Master Kush plants looks like it got eaten for lunch. It's still growing however, so who knows. Maybe i'll get some buds from it.

Here are pics of the MK MG patch.

[dgsgandalf]

Pics of the LR2 / Thai Stick patch. First few are LR2 buds, the rest are TS.

[dgsgandalf]

Finally, the plants i topped. I decided to top one of each strain i have to see how they respond. I chose the plant that had the most nodes (4 or 5) and i cut off just the growing top. First is the TS, then the MK, then the MG.

Tell me what you guys think!

[SnSstealth]

lookin good!!!!
WT

[phatsesh101]

looks good i would get some of that liquid fence before somthing else decides to sample your plants and the earth taking her share. but you can up your chances with clones.

did you try the fim?

sweet auto flower huh how does that work? does start to flower after 3 weeks regardless of season? or just matures faster and if so is there any other abnormalities in its growth cycle?

sorry was stoned am stoned when i wrote solstice thing but it was fragmental. first day of flower is about a month after solstice which is a difference of thirty minutes and at decline of a minute a day and also a change in light spectrum and the longest is only about 15 hours where i live so 14 1/2 it switches over pretty muchso its i little more complicted. sorry i made it sound like the plant gas a watch.

[dgsgandalf]

did you try the fim?

sweet auto flower huh how does that work? does start to flower after 3 weeks regardless of season? or just matures faster and if so is there any other abnormalities in its growth cycle?

I did not do FIM, i just topped. FIM would be cutting off some of the top growing shoot but not all of it. I cut it all off!

Auto-flowering strains tend to be in the Cannabis Ruderalis branch of marijuana (Ruderalis is the same type of classification as Indica or Sativa, just much less common). Auto-flowering plants flower after a certain amount of time regardless of the light cycle.

In the case of LR2, they start flowering at the end of the third week from germination and they are finished 8-9 weeks after germinating. They basically skip the vegetative growth stage and go strait from seedling to flowering. Consequently, they are smaller so they produce less (anywhere from 15-38g per plant), but i'll have some tasty buds to smoke long before the Kush and Mango and Thai Stick are done!

Hopefully everything will work out. I'm most worried about bud mold. The dew in the morning is very heavy where my patch is, and i could see this producing mold.
Any suggestions on keeping my buds from molding?

Peace!

[dylan]

Looks like it could have been a rabbit that ate your plant. I have problems with that too. The plant should be fine, and once they get big you shouldn't have to worry about it that much.

Every thing else is looking pretty good. As for the mold....the strain is the only way to really control it. I live near where you are and don't really have that much of a problem with it. If you see it pic it off so that it will not spread, and try to harvest before it rains.

[Opie Yutts]

The dew in the morning is very heavy where my patch is, and i could see this producing mold.
Any suggestions on keeping my buds from molding?

Peace!

I have experience with battling mold and bud rot. If you're going to grow outdoors in a wet climate, you need to concern yourself with what variety you are growing. In general sativas are more desired for outdoors because it's common for indicas to have dense buds, while sativas tend to be more loose and fluffy. Dense buds and moisture do not mix. It's a sure recipe for bud rot. The dense buds hold in moisture, and if conditions are good the bud can actually grow around the moisture before it has a chance to dry.

In the Pacific Northwest it starts pouring rain 2 or 3 weeks before harvest time. It is very common for me to have to harvest early or loose most the crop to rot. If it rains for a few hours and then is dry for a few there is no problem. It's those times when it rains for days straight that the bud starts rotting. When it's not raining I also get heavy dew. In my experience this is nothing to worry about. Heavy dew comes on days with heavy sun, and the dew is quickly dried out.

I've thought about all kinds of things I could rig up to let in light and air flow, while keeping the rain out. I gave up on that, and decided the best thing to do for my outdoor dense-bud plants is to plant them under a tree. You have to make a choice. You can plant them in full sun and they will develop to the best of their ability, and most likely they will develop bud rot before harvest time. This might be OK, since it's nice to have both clear trichome and amber trichome weed around. (Earlier harvests mean more clear trichomes and a more clear high.) The other choice is to plant them under a tree, and they will yield less and stretch more, and be more likely to break due to lack of sunshine, but you'll be more likely to let them be until the desired harvest time.

I've also thought of spraying an antifungal each day it rains, but then of course I would be adding more moisture, and it probably would get washed off anyway before it has a chance to do any good.

[hollisterkid55]

hey i just joined cannabis.com. your grow looks really good. email me so i can ask some questions of personal nature. [email protected]

thanks.

[Opie Yutts]

Hey hollisterkid55, welcome.

[FrostAie]

ok this might sound kind of strange but I work with chemicals at work everyday and we have this environmentally friendly animal and human safe chemical called micro ban it prevents mold from forming in water damaged basements and other situations like that I was thinking about making a diluted mixture and misting the foliage if I start to notice any mold forming. Other than that i use a small bottle of axe spray and spray a circle about a foot away from my plants stems and so far no animals have even touched my plants and there are deer and rabbits and all kinds of small animals all around the fields so maybe that might work for you

[Opie Yutts]

What's axe spray? Like a lubricant or something?

[FrostAie]

the body (deodorant) spray really strong smelling

[dgsgandalf]

Lol, axe, never would have thought of that one. I'll definitely give it a try.

[dgsgandalf]

Not much to report today. I watered and fertilized each patch and splashed some nute water on the leaves of each plant. Hopefully this will create a foliar feeding effect and make my plants happy!

The LR2 continues to flower but i'm worried that it's way too small to be flowering already. Does anyone know what the deal is here? Am i going to end up with a tiny bud or is the plant going to get a lot bigger?

The rest of the patch looks great. Everything is getting bigger and stronger. The topped plants don't seem to have done anything just yet, but that's not to be expected for a week or more. I took one picture with my hand in it so you can get an idea of exactly how big these plants are.

Peace!

p.s. i'm not sure what's up with the picture uploader. something strange is happening...

[Opie Yutts]

I think LR is generally smaller since it doesn't get a chance to veg much like most people like. About the only thing you can do as make sure they get plenty of light, oxygen and food.

What's strange about uploading pictures? Looks like they uploaded.

[phatsesh101]

most ive seen was 3 oz but some people as low as 1/2 i guess it depends on where and when you grow

[phatsesh101]

have you thought about keeping amale or 2 ofthat lowriderand seeding some of the females so you can send me some beans or even crossing it with the mk and getting an auto mk that would be sweet

[dgsgandalf]

What's strange about uploading pictures? Looks like they uploaded.

It uploaded one pic twice and missed one completely. Prob my fault, or my computer's fault. I re-installed my OS a couple days ago and have been trying to get everything back up to speed.


have you thought about keeping amale or 2 ofthat lowriderand seeding some of the females so you can send me some beans or even crossing it with the mk and getting an auto mk that would be sweet

There's actually a Kush/LR2 cross out there already. I was thinking about trying to cross my Kush with the Mango, but who knows what will happen. In the future if i can set up a nice indoor grow, i might experiment with some mixes, but right now everything is outside and i don't want to polinate extra plants.

:smokin:

[dgsgandalf]

Checked the patch today. It looks like the MK is responding the best to topping. The TS looks almost sick and the MG hasn't really done anything yet.

The larger of the 2 LR2's is starting to frost a little bit. I can see some calyxes starting to form as well. In another month or so, this one should be ready. Hopefully by then it will be much larger...

Only one pic today

[Opie Yutts]

Looks nice n healthy.

[phatsesh101]

this is interesting would like to see that lr2 turnout.

8 weeks is a beautiful thing seed to harvest

[dgsgandalf]

this is interesting would like to see that lr2 turnout.

8 weeks is a beautiful thing seed to harvest

Yeah, i love the 8 week thing! I hear it might take a little longer outside (shorter light period than indoors) but the taste is going to be much better and the effort is minimal. I'm hoping for an oz from each LR2. That would make me happy ;)

[Earthy Dank]

Did you use good soil or just the native dirt? The plants with the biggest plot gets the biggest. Some of your plants looked alittle yellow... it kinda looks like a pH problem. Try adding some soil and garden lime. And becareful with the nutrients they can make pH Problems worse. Georgia is a great place to grow as long as you can keep them hydrated through the hot and dry summer. I suggest using alot of peat moss.

[dgsgandalf]

Did you use good soil or just the native dirt? The plants with the biggest plot gets the biggest. Some of your plants looked alittle yellow... it kinda looks like a pH problem. Try adding some soil and garden lime. And becareful with the nutrients they can make pH Problems worse. Georgia is a great place to grow as long as you can keep them hydrated through the hot and dry summer. I suggest using alot of peat moss.

I went out a month before i planted them and mixed in some potting soil and leaves and grass and stuff like that. Mostly it's just the native dirt though.

pH is probably affecting my plants. Since i can't dig up the plants to mix in lime, could i just put it in the water? Or could i sprinkle it on top of the dirt so it sinks in with rain and watering?

Any ideas?

Thanks for the suggestions!

[Earthy Dank]

You should just sprinkle about a cup of it around the base of the yellowed plants and see how the plant reacts after a few days. i would suggest adding some more good potting soil and tilling it into the soil. Summer in georgia is very hot and very dry so you'll need alot of moisture in the soil so you plants won't wilt and die. The best thing you can add to the native soil in georgia is peat moss... But you have to watch the pH. I all ways use Pro-mix... its very good quality, easy to water in, light and fluffy(no bark), and its totally inert(unfertilized). If I can't get that then i settle for the Miracle-Gro moisture control... I know alot of people hate it but it isn't that bad in my situation. Most growers hate it because its got a 3 month time release fertilzer in it that is mostly nitrogen. But my litttle guys still have 3 and a half months to vegetitate before the sun tells them to flower. So it will just be a little veg-booster. Its funny how at first MG was overrated and now its kinda underated....Pro-mix is still the best... foxfarm is good but tyipically is overpriced and they dont add perlite to it.

[phatsesh101]

your plants look great they re a nice green color i dont see any yellowing

[dgsgandalf]

Yeah, i don't think they're really yellowing that bad. Living in Georgia, the native dirt is red clay which is not the right pH for anything but pine trees and azaleas. Maybe problems aren't showing up right now, but they almost surely will later. I'll def mix in the lime. Having the right pH helps the plant absorb ALL of the nutrients it needs from fertilizer and the soil.

Next time i go out there i'll take some lime and see what i can do.

Peace!:smokin:

[dgsgandalf]

So i bought some more lights for my seed starter yesterday and woke up this morning to find a slightly burned plants and temperatures in the box of 110 degrees. Whoops... I removed the extra lights and heavily watered the plants, and i think they'll be fine.

I went out to the patch today and saw some nice calyxes and a lot of frosty resin on the biggest LR2. Next time i go i'll take some pictures. It's been 6 weeks now from seed so in another 3 weeks or so, i should be looking at some nice buds. :thumbsup:

Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

Updates today! Everything is starting to look pretty good. Still no pre-flowers on the Master Kush, Mango, or Thai Stick, but the flowers on the LR2 are coming along nicely.

All the strains seem to be responding well to the topping and i'm seriously thinking about topping all of them. The tallest is waist height and the shortest comes up to my knees. In a few more weeks when pre-flowers start to show up i'll make my decision which ones to top and which ones to leave.

Pic 1: LR2 #1
Pic 2: LR2 #1 side view of buds
Pic 3: LR2 #2 side view of buds
Pic 4: TS topped
Pic 5: TS with my dog

My dog is about 20 pounds (small) and stuck her head in the last pic. Fortunately she seems to hate the smell of MJ buds, so i brought her out with me to the patch today for some company.

You can see the difference in bud development between the first and second LR2 in pics 2 and 3.

[dgsgandalf]

Here are pics of the Mango and Master Kush. Both seem to be doing very well. The Mango is forming 9 finger fan leaves already. Very cool to see!

The plant that got eaten is actually doing very well. It's developing side shoots that seem to be growing very well. If this plant turns out to be female, it should still produce a nice harvest.

Pics!

Last pic is of the MK that got eaten. It's probably gonna make it just fine!

[phatsesh101]

lookin beautiful

[Earthy Dank]

yeah... those damn rabbits/deer... Theyare picky bastards too... I had a po o' gold seedling, 2 Rotten orange clones and 2 skunk no5 seddlings and the fuckin deer only eat the skunk.... they ate about 80% of the plant but left 4 little branches... so at least they didnt totally screw me over. Try just pulling you hair out around your plot. They hate our smell

[dgsgandalf]

So i have a big problem. I have some plants in pots inside and they're not doing very well. I thought the problem was when they got burned by high temps in the box, but not i'm starting to think it's a nute deficiency or burn. Could you guys take a look at my pics and tell me what you think?

The pics are all of one plant, but the others look more or less the same. Some are worse some are better, but i'm worried that i'm gonna lose these guys.

Help!

[phatsesh101]

was it started from seed?

looks like only the first couple sets of leaves the rest seem fine not even burnt tips, watch for a couple of days to see if it spreads

i get spots like that if i pour water over the top and it sits on the leaf in the light.

[dgsgandalf]

They were grown from seed. And come to think of it, i sprayed them with nute solution once a couple of days ago. I don't remember if it was before the heat stress or after, but that's good information.

Thanks man!

[greenatik]

hey your grow looks good, hope this info helps

i bought clones from the dispensary that were under 24 / 0 and planted them outside and they all are flowering. just a heads up, id think 18/6 would be better for transplanting indoor to outdoor.

but it seems like the seeds i started indoor have been less susceptible to flowering from the light change.

gl man:thumbsup:

[dgsgandalf]

hey your grow looks good, hope this info helps

i bought clones from the dispensary that were under 24 / 0 and planted them outside and they all are flowering. just a heads up, id think 18/6 would be better for transplanting indoor to outdoor.

but it seems like the seeds i started indoor have been less susceptible to flowering from the light change.

gl man:thumbsup:

Yeah, i would think the same thing. I hadn't considered this when i transplanted them outside, and they had been under a 24/0 schedule. However, if you look at the pics of when i moved them, they were so small that they couldn't have flowered if they wanted to. It certainly took them a lot of time to get used to being outside, but other than the 1 i lost, they are all looking grrrrrreat!
The LR2's are auto-flowering anyway, so it doesn't matter what light cycle you give them. They're gonna do what they're gonna do and there's nothing you can do about it! Good for me ;)
Also, i think i'm gonna try growing my current closet-full indoors the whole way. If you look at the pic in my above post, they are doing EXTREMELY well under CFL light. I'll prob just add some lights and keep them in the closet.

Sorry for my stoner rampage! Just got done with my first bowl of the day...
Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

So it looks like my posts over the last few days didn't go through. I guess i'll do a quick update.

On the 16th, i went out to the patch and discovered that 3 of the Mango's are showing female pre-flowers. I think one of the Kush plants is showing male pre-flowers as well. The LR2's are doing well with some good looking frosty resin.

Here are some pics.

[dgsgandalf]

I NEED HELP!!!!!

I was taking a closer look at my indoor pots just now and one of the pots has millions of tiny white bugs crawling all over the surface of the soil. I have no idea what to think of this or what to do about it, but if someone could look at the pic and offer a suggestion, i seriously need some help.

They seem to be congregating on the high points in the soil, but i don't see a single one on the plants. Strange...

[SnSstealth]

get some pyrethin oil/spray/bomb....if you get the spray, get the stuff at home depot that says insecticide for fruits and veggies...apply liberally to soil, leaves, whole plant....after covering, shake the plant gently so none accumulates on the leaf tips...hope this helps....outdoor looking GREAT by the way...
whiskeytango

[dgsgandalf]

get some pyrethin oil/spray/bomb....if you get the spray, get the stuff at home depot that says insecticide for fruits and veggies...apply liberally to soil, leaves, whole plant....after covering, shake the plant gently so none accumulates on the leaf tips...hope this helps....outdoor looking GREAT by the way...
whiskeytango

Thanks for the advice WT!

I thought at first they were spider mites, but they weren't on the plant. Then i decided the infestation was too much and was going to ruin my grow, and considering the plant they attacked was the weakest and smallest of the 4 anyway, i cut the plant and dumped the pot outside. It was then that i noticed that the mites were on the plant after all.
I put an oscillating fan directly on the remaining plants to help inhibit the spread and movement of the bugs (wind), and i'll be going out first thing tomorrow to buy some pyrethrum spray. Thankfully, the last 3 pots/plants had no visible bugs on them at all. Hopefully i'll be able to save the day.

Updates tomorrow. Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

I haven't done an update in a while so here it goes.

Every thing's looking pretty good. The LR2's are starting to fill out and the others are getting really big. I ended up chopping one of the MK because it was showing male pre-flowers. 3 of the Mangoes are definitely female, and none of the rest have showed anything yet.

Some of the plants are developing some spotting on the leaves, but i didn't see any bugs or any other reasons for the spots, so i'm gonna leave that for now and see if anything has changed in a week or so.

Pics!
Pic 1: LR2 #1
Pic 2: LR2 #1
Pic 3: LR2 #1
Pic 4: LR2 #2
Pic 5: LR2 #2

[dgsgandalf]

Here are some pics of the female Mango's

[dgsgandalf]

Does anyone know if you can take clones for indoor growing from plants that are outside? I was thinking about topping one of the mango's and rooting the top for indoor clones. Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks!

[Earthy Dank]

Does anyone know if you can take clones for indoor growing from plants that are outside? I was thinking about topping one of the mango's and rooting the top for indoor clones. Any ideas or suggestions?

Thanks!

Absolutely... Cloning would be awesome with some mango... and if you do it now it'll have like 3 months before october(1st week of october is about 60-65 days of flowering...i.e Harvestime for most varieties in georgia;)). The lower the cutting is on the plant the faster. But if you want to top them then yes you can root the very tip of the plant. You'll need some flourescent lighting and probably some peat pellets, rooting compound, and a humidome... you can get all of that at homedepot/lowes/Walmart fo under 20bucks.... If you wanna expirement some with it you can make a very cheap,yet effective, aero/hydro cloner out of a plastic tub an airstone and an airpump. Make sure to make it as light proof as you can so algea and mildew don't build up. These are a few pics of some clones and my cloner... which i unforttunately can't use for awhile...

[dgsgandalf]

I went out to the patch yesterday (sorry no pics, forgot the camera) and found one male Master Kush nearly dead (bummer... NOT!!!!) and a LR2 bud with what looked like mold on it (bummer... really..;) It possibly could have been a really thick spider web covering the bud, but i thought that was unlikely. So i picked the bud off the plant. It wasn't a very big bud and it was at the bottom of the plant so i didn't worry that much.

If anyone has really good pictures of bud mold, please post them so i can see what's up.

Other than that everything was looking great. The LR2's are filling out nicely and should be ready soon. One of the female mangoes is starting to bloom hardcore, but it will end up reverting to vegetative growth when the long summer months actually start.

I should be back soon with pictures, so stay tuned in...

Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

So... the LR2's had a good bit of mold on them when i went out the other day, so i picked them. The buds are so small and measly that they almost aren't worth messing with. The lesson i learned here? Plant auto-flowering plants later in the season when the sun is brighter and is up longer. That way they get the best chance possible to mature and grow big and fat. 10 weeks is too long for LR2 to be growing.

The Mango's are blooming a lot. I'm a little worried that they'll be too far along when they decide to revert back to veg and it might hurt them. Who knows.

One Master Kush is definitely a female, but i think the other 3 are males. Bummer, right?

I'll post pics later when i feel like it...

Peace!

[phatsesh101]

bummer on the master id try a clone or two

id be afraid of herming with the mangos and

have u puffed any lr2 yet

[dgsgandalf]

bummer on the master id try a clone or two

id be afraid of herming with the mangos and

have u puffed any lr2 yet

I'll prob clone the Kush if possible. The Mango should be ok. It flowers really quickly compared to a lot of strains (6-8 weeks).

I have been puffing on the LR2, and it's a very nice smoke. The quality is pretty good and the high is relaxing and not very stoney, but the buds are very loose and small.

I'll update again when i get a chance.

Peace!

[SouthernGuerilla]

nice dude.

I'm also in GA. I'm growing some sack seed this year, they look mostly indica. I've managed to find a few sandy spots that get at least 5 hours of direct sun per day in the middle of the mostly pine forests around here.

I've started some around the first of may through the first of june, so my oldest ones are just now growing their 6-8th real sets of leafs.

Soil mix is - sandy soil, worm manure, compost, cow manure, top soil, hummus and hardwood ash.

I've been using roughly 8oz of urine per 1 gallon of water with 2 tablespoons of molasses to water them once a week or every 2 weeks.

I figure I'll be making hash out of most of these plants(cause of low grade cannabis) if the deer dont eat them again this year. I've made a naturalized fence of vines, thorns and briers.

I had some G13 x Rock Bud seeds last year, they were awesome.
Didn't get to let them flower, knowledge of their existence was compromised by some unsavory characters. :(

[dgsgandalf]

Dang man, sorry about last year. Only a few people know that i have outdoor plants and no one knows where they are, so hopefully nothing will be compromised.

Are you logging your grow? Post some pics if you can.

Peace!

[gillabong]

hey dgs can we get some update pics? great thread

[SouthernGuerilla]

Dang man, sorry about last year. Only a few people know that i have outdoor plants and no one knows where they are, so hopefully nothing will be compromised.

Are you logging your grow? Post some pics if you can.

Peace!

Only me and the birds know about my grow this year. I would take pics but my digital camera was stolen at the airport a month ago.

I'm doing little as possible with my plants hard enough to keep everything from drying out and turning brown else where.

[dgsgandalf]

Yeah, outdoor growing has proven to be tougher than i thought because you can't control a lot of factors that affect the plant. At this point, i'm not expecting much from my crop. It's more of a learning year for me, and i will know much better for next time.

I'll probably post some pics tomorrow if i can get out to the patch. I've been kinda busy lately... with partying and drinking and stuff...

Pics tomorrow hopefully!

Peace!

[dgsgandalf]

So it's been a while since i went out and had a good look at the patch. Obviously i haven't taken pictures in a long time, but are you guys in for a treat now.

This is what 11+ weeks of unrestricted outdoor growing can look like. These plants are 5 feet tall and more. The Thai Stick plant that i didn't top is over 6 feet tall and i had to hold my camera at arms length above my head to get the shots of the top of the plant.

I haven't watered or fertilized in about 3 weeks and it hasn't rained that much, but these plants look great anyway.

Here we go...

Pic 1: I totally forgot to mention this plant. It is the male Master Kush that i topped. It was close to 8' tall and was starting to flower. I actually didn't chop it all the way down, I just chopped the flowering and budding parts off. This way i can possibly take some clones and make a new strain, Mango Kush!
Pic 2: This is another male MK plant that i chopped down. This one might have pollinated the ladies a little. Whoops!
All 5 of the MK plants i planted ended up male. I didn't get a single female from 5 plants. Fortunately i have 5 more seeds i can do next year.
Pic 3: This is Mango plant #3. It is the front right plant in the triangle of glory. You'll see what i'm talking about.
Pic 4: This is Mango plant #2. It's the back plant in the triangle.
Pic 5: This is Mango plant #1. It is the front left plant in the triangle. This one is the most typically sativa looking plant i have growing by far. The buds are slower growing and the leaves are very thin and in clusters of 9 and 11. I can't wait to see what this plant can do for me.

[dgsgandalf]

Pic 1: This is the triangle of glory. These were the very back 3 plants in a bowling pin setup of 10 plants (that was the shape of my garden). The front right is the most typically indica, the front left is the most typically sativa, and the back one is a bit of a mix.
Pic 2: This is Mango #4. It is the runt. It's probably only 2.5 feet tall and only has a few budding sites. I expect the reasons for this are genetic, because all the seeds grew in the exact same conditions. If i get an oz from this one, i'll be happy.
Pic 3: Mango #2. Close up of the main bud.
Pic 4: Mango #3. Main bud again.
Pic 5: I think this is Mango #2. It's a downward shot of the top of the plant.

[dgsgandalf]

Pic 1: Downward angle of Mango #2 top half of plant
Pic 2: Downward angle of Mango #1 top half of plant. Notice the huge difference between this one and the other 2 Mango's
Pic 3: Mango #1. This is a close up of the main stalk. It looks like this all the way up and down the 5 foot main stalk. Mango #2 in the background.
Pic 4: Thai Stick #1 in the front and topped Thai Stick #2 in the back. These plants are huge. Each is at least 6 feet tall and has HUGE long broad leaves. Basically it looks like a pot plant from "Giant Land." Strangely, neither of these have started blooming yet. I'm thinking the Thai influence is probably to blame here. This strain is supposed to be a mix of the original Thai genetics from the 70's and an original skunk strain from back in the day (maybe #1?). They are definitely not showing any male pre-flowers and they seem to have long strange-looking hairs growing out of the stalk where the female pre-flowers are supposed to be. The untopped one (TS#1) is starting to grow shoots in a zig zag pattern, which usually indicates flowering. I'd say that by the end of this month, i'll be able to accurately sex these plants.
Pic 5: This is TS #2, the topped one. It has grown very large since i topped it. This plant was the worst looking of the topped plants 3 weeks after i topped them, but it has come back very nicely.

[dgsgandalf]

Pic 1: TS #1 from a downward angle. For this pic, i held the camera at arms length above my head and took a blind shot. Each of those main fans of leaves is longer and wider than my hand by a lot.
Pic 2: TS #2. Not as tall as TS #1 but just as impressive. It'll be interesting to compare the difference in yield between these guys.
Pic 3: TS #3. Another runt. This one is only 3 1/2 feet tall, but since sun and rain are free, theres really no reason to chop it down. The only problem i can think of is that bugs and disease are attracted to weak plants. I'm sure that if i keep my eye on it, everything will be just fine.
Pic 4: Another pic of the triangle of glory. Different angle and lighting.

[dgsgandalf]

Pic 1: Full length shot of Mango #1. Wow, i can't wait!
Pic 2: Full length shot of Mango #2. Another very pretty plant, but obviously very different. I was under the impression that Mango was almost entirely Indica, but obviously i was wrong.



Well guys, that's it for this update. I didn't water or fertilize today since it's been raining recently. I'll probably head back over there next weekend to check up on the patch.

Please feel free to leave comments or questions.

Peace! :jointsmile:

[SouthernGuerilla]

:rastasmoke:

[SouthernGuerilla]

whats going on?

[zebulon]

Nice plants dude, how long till harvest??

[dgsgandalf]

Thanks. I'm not sure when these babies will be ready to harvest, but i'm keeping an eye on them. The Mango's are pretty quick bloomers while the Tai strain is much slower.

I'll try to get out there this week for some pics.

Peace!

[SouthernGuerilla]

Here is a pic of a patch. Not trying to hijack your thread :p

Only camera I have is on my cell phone :(

[dgsgandalf]

Here is a pic of a patch. Not trying to hijack your thread :p

Only camera I have is on my cell phone :(

Nice looking plants. How many do you have? The leaves on the foremost plant look like my Thai Stick plants. Very broad, long, kind of funny shaped leaves.

Looks good, let me know if anything new develops.

Peace!

[SouthernGuerilla]

Nice looking plants. How many do you have? The leaves on the foremost plant look like my Thai Stick plants. Very broad, long, kind of funny shaped leaves.

Looks good, let me know if anything new develops.

Peace!

Just a hand full or two of plants. Just sack seed plants, looks mostly or pure indica, I suppose... About 1-2ft tall and already starting to bush out. They are about 2months old.

I just sprayed down the leaves with espom salt water(1 tablespoon to 1 gallon of water) this morning. In a week or two depending on if it ever rains here I'm going to apply some more black strap molasses and urine to the soil. I will probably end up applying a thin layer of hardwood ash(again) on top of all those pine needles to help with the acidity.

Unlike you I started them outdoors so I'll be waiting awhile before they start to flower... :|

[SnSstealth]

lookin good dg!!! i remember when they were weeee babies...lol
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

At this point, i'm not expecting much from my crop.

Well, I guess if you don't expect much, you won't get disappointed much. Your plants are looking real nice, maybe a little stretchy from all the shade, but that's part of growing in the great outdoors. Mine do that too, when I try to get them out of the rain and under a tree. When you plant outdoors, you should realize that there will be a certain amount of loss. Sometimes you don't loose much, but sometimes you do. There are lots of bugs, diseases and herbivores that you just can't control like you can indoors.

All in all, wow, what a difference from the beginning of this thread. Nice, real nice. Congrats, you'll soon be able to enjoy the fruits of your labor.

A quick word of advice or 2. If it starts raining, check daily for bud rot, especially on any varieties that tend to have tight, dense buds. It would be better to harvest early, than let bud rot begin to spread. If you get it, don't smoke it, very bad for you. Also, now that your plants are getting tall they are also getting heavy around the buds. Especially if it rains, and probably even if it doesn't, some of the heavier buds may break at the stems' weak point if they are not somehow supported. If I get a real big bud going, before the rains come I want to be sure to tie it up to a neighboring bush, steel spike, or something else.

Did I say "nice"?

[jonas]

These pictures make me sick, my plants are so small and the oldest is a month and a half old at barely a foot and not many leaves.

[SouthernGuerilla]

Well, I guess if you don't expect much, you won't get disappointed much. Your plants are looking real nice, maybe a little stretchy from all the shade, but that's part of growing in the great outdoors. Mine do that too, when I try to get them out of the rain and under a tree. When you plant outdoors, you should realize that there will be a certain amount of loss. Sometimes you don't loose much, but sometimes you do. There are lots of bugs, diseases and herbivores that you just can't control like you can indoors.

All in all, wow, what a difference from the beginning of this thread. Nice, real nice. Congrats, you'll soon be able to enjoy the fruits of your labor.

A quick word of advice or 2. If it starts raining, check daily for bud rot, especially on any varieties that tend to have tight, dense buds. It would be better to harvest early, than let bud rot begin to spread. If you get it, don't smoke it, very bad for you. Also, now that your plants are getting tall they are also getting heavy around the buds. Especially if it rains, and probably even if it doesn't, some of the heavier buds may break at the stems' weak point if they are not somehow supported. If I get a real big bud going, before the rains come I want to be sure to tie it up to a neighboring bush, steel spike, or something else.

Did I say "nice"?


"Many medical cannabis opponents note that smoking cannabis is harmful to the respiratory system. However, this harm can be minimalized or eliminated by the use of a vaporizer or ingesting the drug in an edible form or other non-smoking modes of delivery like tinctures. Vaporizers are devices that vaporize the active constituents (cannabinoids) and the fragrant aromatic substances in the preparation without combusting the plant material and thus preventing the formation of toxic substances. Studies have shown that vaporizers can dramatically reduce[31] or even eliminate[32] the release of irritants and toxic compounds.
Aspergillus fumigatus

In order to kill microorganisms, especially mold, occasionally found in low-quality cannabis, the scientists "Levitz and Diamond (1991) suggested baking marijuana in home ovens at 150 °C [302 °F], for five minutes before smoking. Oven treatment killed conidia of A. fumigatus, A. flavus and A. niger, and did not degrade the active component of marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)." ---- Medical cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#Harm_reduction)

[Opie Yutts]

"Many medical cannabis opponents note that smoking cannabis is harmful to the respiratory system. However, this harm can be minimalized or eliminated by the use of a vaporizer or ingesting the drug in an edible form or other non-smoking modes of delivery like tinctures. Vaporizers are devices that vaporize the active constituents (cannabinoids) and the fragrant aromatic substances in the preparation without combusting the plant material and thus preventing the formation of toxic substances. Studies have shown that vaporizers can dramatically reduce[31] or even eliminate[32] the release of irritants and toxic compounds.
Aspergillus fumigatus

In order to kill microorganisms, especially mold, occasionally found in low-quality cannabis, the scientists "Levitz and Diamond (1991) suggested baking marijuana in home ovens at 150 °C [302 °F], for five minutes before smoking. Oven treatment killed conidia of A. fumigatus, A. flavus and A. niger, and did not degrade the active component of marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)." ---- Medical cannabis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannabis#Harm_reduction)

Does anyone know if vaporizing kills all harmful substances in moldy material?

[SouthernGuerilla]

AGAIN! :thumbsup:
In order to kill microorganisms, especially mold, occasionally found in low-quality cannabis, the scientists "Levitz and Diamond (1991) suggested baking marijuana in home ovens at 150 °C [302 °F], for five minutes before smoking.

I would assume this would kill all mold and leave you with some very dry bud.

[Opie Yutts]

Yeah but...

Once the mold is dead, doesn't it still have harmful spores or whatever? Dead mold is smokable, and live mold is not? And doesn't mold die when it is lit on fire in the bong? Why would that be an unacceptable death, while baking it is fine? Not trying to be a dick, just trying to understand.

[SouthernGuerilla]

Yeah but...

Once the mold is dead, doesn't it still have harmful spores or whatever? Dead mold is smokable, and live mold is not? And doesn't mold die when it is lit on fire in the bong? Why would that be an unacceptable death, while baking it is fine? Not trying to be a dick, just trying to understand.

Baking for 5min is sketchy, I would personally do it for longer or compost the molded bud.

The idea here is to bake it for however long to get an ambient temp of 305 degrees F. The idea with baking is to have the air and your bud at 305 degrees F. The Shroomery or some other site might explain this better.

It probably would be better off to take 90% or better rubbing alcohol(200 proof alcohol or something at least 150 proof should work also) and extract the THC out of the molded bud than it would be to smoke it. *shrug*. :wtf:

Here goes a possibly bass ackwards analogy. Boiling water for 30min is supposed to kill anything harmful in it and is then considered "safe" for human consumption. Like water out of a creek. Taking a lighter to your glass of creek water isn't gonna cut it.

The molded bud needs to be thoroughly cooked to kill the mold, just like cooking hamburger meat well done so you don't get E Coli or whatever other funky stuff is growing in the hamburger meat.

[SouthernGuerilla]

hey dg how about an update?

:thumbsup:

[phatsesh101]

nobody even knows if inhaled mold is harmful penicillan is mold at a point who knows maybe since cannbis kills cancer cells maybe its mold will cure aids as long as it aint a giant fucking mold ball smoke it. cannabis has stuff that keeps you from getting lung cancer from the tar it gives off

[dgsgandalf]

So my fears were confirmed. The mango's are heavily seeded by the master kush male. The Thai Stick plants are still sinsemillia and should produce a nice harvest but i probably won't get any good bud out of the mango's.

On the flip side, i was planning on doing a Mango/Master Kush cross, and now it's done for me! If the buds produce a lot of seeds i might have a few to give away ;)

Here are some pics...

[dj00140]

beautiful! how long till harvest on the last pic?

[SouthernGuerilla]

Nice pics. Pick me some black berries when they ripen! The Mango is in the first pic? Mango X Master Kush or "The Gandolf Special!" :p

One patch of my sack seed plants are really starting to smell like lemon/citrus, makes my mouth water. :D They're showing preflowers, and bushing out fairly well. Not any monsters but they are looking good to me. My biggest babies appear to be female. Since this is the 1st time I've let any cannabis grow this late in the year I'm not totally sure. But I'm fairly positive from what I've read and seen on this forum and else where.

I found a pill bug/rolly polly on one of my plants just walking around on the leaves. Just an odd tid bit.

[Opie Yutts]

cannabis has stuff that keeps you from getting lung cancer from the tar it gives off

uhhhh, what, really?

[Opie Yutts]

Hey dgs, looking good. Forgive my ignorance, but are mango and thai autoflower strains, or why are they flowering so early?

[dgsgandalf]

beautiful! how long till harvest on the last pic?

I'm not sure actually. Mango tends to grow huge buds like Bigbud, so this one could be just getting started. The trich's are all clear still so it has a good way to go.


Nice pics. Pick me some black berries when they ripen! The Mango is in the first pic? Mango X Master Kush or "The Gandolf Special!" :p

I found a pill bug/rolly polly on one of my plants just walking around on the leaves. Just an odd tid bit.

Lol, the blackberries are delicious! I always eat as many as i can get to when i go out there. The thorns also help deter anyone who might be interested.
All the pics are of Mango. The first one is the oddball plant that is growing much more like a sativa, but it was looking pretty bad. It might have been the heavy rain of that week, or it could be that there's not enough nutrients in the soil. I'll figure it out sooner or later...
I've found some strange/brightly colored aphids on my plants. They don't do much harm, so i usually just leave them.


Hey dgs, looking good. Forgive my ignorance, but are mango and thai autoflower strains, or why are they flowering so early?

Neither are autoflowering. The Mango is an fast bloomer (6-10 weeks) but i'm not sure why it started so soon. The Thai isn't flowering just yet. They have only shown female preflowers. I was actually thinking about taking some clones from the Thai plant and increasing my total output, but it would be pretty hard to take clones outside, move them inside, grow them a little, then put them back outside. It'll take a lot of time, and i've been feeling pretty lazy lately. ;)



I'll prob post another update in a week or so.

Peace! :jointsmile:

[kack409]

ahahha verry nice man, theres a shit ton of blackberries where i have my plot growing too...i love summer =]

[jay420]

Nice grow dgsgandalf, I have just moved to GA and am thinking about doing the same thing as you, if you have any pointers I would really appreciate it.

[jay420]

One more thing I forgot to ask, is it too late this year to start growing???

[dgsgandalf]

It's probably too late to start growing unless you can get some clones or autoflowering varieties. You probably have 4 months at the very very most before the weather gets too cold and destroys your plants. I would recommend trying some LowRider crosses that only take 2 months to bloom out. They don't produce as much but the smoke is good and they'll be ready in time for winter.

Recommendations for GA... replace the shitty red clay with good organic soil and make sure you keep your plants watered. If you get out there once a week and check ground moisture you should be fine. During dry spells you may have to check more often.

If you have any more questions, feel free to ask and i'll do my best to help you out.

Peace!

[jay420]

Thanks for the reply dgsgandalf, I am also interested in meeting new people in the area instead of driving to Ohio every time to "meet" my friends. Let me know if you are looking for some toker buddies. I also have some items that you may want to plant if you are interested....GREAT strains. Let me know as soon as possible. I am in the Buford/Cumming area are you anywhere near me?

:rastasmoke:

[jay420]

The strains are White Widow and Blueberry Kush both are feminised and I also have Afghani but those are not all females.

[jay420]

Also, do you think if I planted these strains right now....would it just be a waste because the season won't be long enough? I have never grown before and wanted to know if I plant these and they don't don't fully bloom, would the smoke even be worth it? I really appreciate all of your help.

By the way, I just finally had time to look at ALL the pics you have posted and it is absolutely amazing...keep up the great work!!! I have been wanting to grow for awhile now and those pics get me even more amped!!!! I had a question about your grow also, how bad is the smell? I have an idea where to plant but there is a walking path and wanted to know how far into the woods I should go so that no one will be able to see/smell from the path.

Peace and be safe!
:rastasmoke:

[SouthernGuerilla]

My babies are flowering!

:birthday:

[SouthernGuerilla]

6 of 10 definately have female flowers. The other 4 are a bit puny and a month or so younger than the 6 biggons. As I'm writing this I'm trying to sort out when exactly is a flower not a preflower and when is it "bud". I'm determining sex with my naked eyes and a cheapo magnifying glass.

I am noticing some very different traits from these sack seed plants that came out of the same sack. Like the leaves aren't quite the same and the damn sure don't smell the same. The herb smoked the same. *shrug* Brick weed.

Like some leaves are a tad more serrated than other plants and some smell more like lemon than the others. Their stems are sticky like rubber cement glue sticky.

I'll start my own thread and stop trying to hijack this one. :p Its just my first full outdoor grow here in GA too.

[dgsgandalf]

Also, do you think if I planted these strains right now....would it just be a waste because the season won't be long enough? I have never grown before and wanted to know if I plant these and they don't don't fully bloom, would the smoke even be worth it? I really appreciate all of your help.

By the way, I just finally had time to look at ALL the pics you have posted and it is absolutely amazing...keep up the great work!!! I have been wanting to grow for awhile now and those pics get me even more amped!!!! I had a question about your grow also, how bad is the smell? I have an idea where to plant but there is a walking path and wanted to know how far into the woods I should go so that no one will be able to see/smell from the path.

Peace and be safe!
:rastasmoke:

Think of it this way. Most marijuana strains take 2 months to show preflowers and at least another 2 months to bloom. I would just wait until next year or grow those puppies inside.

Smell really depends on the strain. Skunk #1 is famous for being smelly up to a mile away, but my strains are undetectable from 50 yards. If smell is a problem, don't go planting Skunk or AK or Chem Dog. Plant something un-smelly. :)


6 of 10 definately have female flowers. The other 4 are a bit puny and a month or so younger than the 6 biggons. As I'm writing this I'm trying to sort out when exactly is a flower not a preflower and when is it "bud". I'm determining sex with my naked eyes and a cheapo magnifying glass.

I am noticing some very different traits from these sack seed plants that came out of the same sack. Like the leaves aren't quite the same and the damn sure don't smell the same. The herb smoked the same. *shrug* Brick weed.

Like some leaves are a tad more serrated than other plants and some smell more like lemon than the others. Their stems are sticky like rubber cement glue sticky.

I'll start my own thread and stop trying to hijack this one. :p Its just my first full outdoor grow here in GA too.

Preflowers have only 2 hairs per node. When your plant starts blooming, you'll see tons of hairs start to grow all together.

Brick weed often has many different types of plants all squished together in one sack. The quality of brick weed is usually poor enough that you can't tell a difference in the smoke, but the seeds will grow into a nice variety of plants. I've even noticed a huge difference in individual plants of the same strain. Some might look like sativa's and some might look like indica's. The different looks are called Phenotypes.



Peace guys!

[SnSstealth]

lookin good DG!!!! how tall are they?
whiskeytango

[SouthernGuerilla]

Think of it this way. Most marijuana strains take 2 months to show preflowers and at least another 2 months to bloom. I would just wait until next year or grow those puppies inside.

Smell really depends on the strain. Skunk #1 is famous for being smelly up to a mile away, but my strains are undetectable from 50 yards. If smell is a problem, don't go planting Skunk or AK or Chem Dog. Plant something un-smelly. :)



Preflowers have only 2 hairs per node. When your plant starts blooming, you'll see tons of hairs start to grow all together.

Brick weed often has many different types of plants all squished together in one sack. The quality of brick weed is usually poor enough that you can't tell a difference in the smoke, but the seeds will grow into a nice variety of plants. I've even noticed a huge difference in individual plants of the same strain. Some might look like sativa's and some might look like indica's. The different looks are called Phenotypes.



Peace guys!

Thanks dgsgandolf. I'm just past ready to roll one up and smoke it. :D

[dgsgandalf]

I forgot to comment on early picked buds. You certainly can pick buds early and they will definitely get you high, but you're sacrificing a ton of weight. A lot of strains put on a lot of weight in the last few weeks of growing, so picking buds 2 weeks early might be cutting your output by a lot.

I actually should have picked my Mango buds last week, because last week it rained heavily and one of my outdoor plants is now covered in mold. I didn't get any pics of the moldy bud, but it's worthless now. Damnit...

Here are some pics of TS. This is the one i'm hoping to harvest a lot from. These plants are each 6 feet tall.

[jay420]

Awesome dgsgandalf, I was happy to see your response and look forward to toking a bong sometime soon!!! Also thanks for the advice on the plants as I cannot get anything but schwag, this may be my only option and as long as the THC content does not increase too much throughout the end of the growing process I should be ok with a smaller quantity. I only smoke about a bowl or two a day so I do not need quantity...just quality. I am trying the white widow and will keep you updated on the progress and smoke of my grow.

I usually play basketball a couple times a week and I see blow deals all the time in the parking lot.....I wish it was weed deals...lol. I will never do blow again...same reason as you dgsgandalf.

Anyways looking forward to your email and thanks a lot for your help. And sorry about the mold in one of your plants that really sucks, I never knew that could even happen until I read about yours. Good luck with the rest of the crops and look forward to your updates.

[Opie Yutts]

I actually should have picked my Mango buds last week, because last week it rained heavily and one of my outdoor plants is now covered in mold. I didn't get any pics of the moldy bud, but it's worthless now. Damnit...

Told you so. Hey people look at this, then be sure to check your outdoor plants daily after it starts raining.

Real sorry for your loss. Looking good overall though.

[kack409]

your plants are looking great mane, post your dry bud shots when these are done..if u get the chance that is

[dgsgandalf]

Told you so. Hey people look at this, then be sure to check your outdoor plants daily after it starts raining.

Real sorry for your loss. Looking good overall though.

Yeah, i wish i could get out there every day, but it's a long drive and i'm sure everyone knows how bad gas prices are these days. I'll def get some good seeds out of the remaining bud, but as far as smoke goes, i'm pretty much out of luck with the mango's. The Thai Stick plants (which i found out are actually Skunk x original Thai sativa) are looking great though. The big one is about 7 feet tall now and should give me a good harvest if i watch out for it.

I'll post some pics if i can get out there this week.

Peace!

[jay420]

I had a question about mold, how do you tell if your bud has mold in it before its too late, will you see it? Do you actually have to open the bud to look inside? Also how do you prevent mold in your bud if its planted outside somewhere, is there an easy remedy? Just wanted to know for future reference.

It rained pretty hard yesterday, I hope you (dgsgandalf) can get out to your crops to make sure there is no mold on your buds. I am hoping that everything is ok with them, because mold really blows!!!

Hopefully we can toke together soon as I am really feening for something other than schwag....lol....and keep up the good work bro!

[Opie Yutts]

[quote=jay420] how do you tell if your bud has mold in it before its too late, will you see it?
Yes, on the insides of the bud first. Looks like mold, or really wet brown plant material.

Do you actually have to open the bud to look inside?
Yes, if you want to catch it in it's first stages. Soon after though you may be able to see it on the outside as well.

Also how do you prevent mold in your bud if its planted outside somewhere, is there an easy remedy?
Nothing easy. When you plant outside you'll loose weed. That's the way it goes. You can't prevent it, but some things might help. Indica varieties tend to be more dense than sativas, therefore sativas may be better suited for rainy environments. Their fluffy light buds don't hold as much water. Some people spray with an antifungal, which adds moisture, so don't do it when it's wet. I sometimes plant under a tree and sacrifice yield in exchange for a little rot-free weed. Sometimes I'm forced to harvest early and get a different high than I was hoping for.

[jay420]

Thanks for the info Opie it is much appreciated. I never even knew mold was an issue before but I am very thankful I heard about it now so I will know for the future. Is there anything else I need to watch out for as this will be my first grow also? Also, when I water the plants will I need to spray the leaves as well and if so should I spray the buds? It doesn't seem like I should but you never know what works best. Anyways thanks a lot for the help and will let you know how my grow works out.

[Opie Yutts]

I've never "watered" my leaves, but I sometimes foliar feed. There is no need to water leaves, in fact it is dangerous since the pools of water act like a magnifying glass in the sun and fry the leaves. You should not foliar feed after a 2-5 weeks of budding (depending on density), since it's a good way to induce bud rot. If a plant is growing well buds can actually grow completely around some moisture, then you're screwed.

[Opie Yutts]

If you're interested, I wrote a fairly extensive thread on foliar feeding. Search titles for Liquid Light.

[dgsgandalf]

Some strains of MJ are more mold resistant than others. If you can find one of these, you'll be much better off. Some outdoor strains advertise being mold or pest resistant.

I'm definitely going to harvest whatever's left of the Mango's when i get out to the patch. Unfortunately, my weekend is booked, so it probably won't happen until Monday or later.

If your bud is molding on the inside, it's pretty much too late to save any of it. All you can do is harvest the rest of the plant and hope the mold hasn't already spread.

Peace!

Well guys, good news and bad news. The bad news first. A little over half of my outdoor mango buds were rotten from late harvesting and a shit-ton of rain in the past few weeks. I still got a few good buds to smoke on, and damn, is this stuff strong. I just smoked a bowl and it hits way harder than anything i've been smoking lately. Obviously very indica dominant, the smell is sweet, but the ridiculously thick smoke and overpowering stone seem a little too much for me. The same bowl of LR2 would have me going around the house right now doing chores and cleaning shit, but with this one i don't know if i can stand up right now. Very relaxing, probably a good bedtime smoke.
The good news for everyone is that i have harvested around 40 seeds from the buds already with a lot more still to come. All the seeds are Mango 50%/Master Kush 50% with 2 Mango mothers and 2 different Master Kush fathers. I'm obviously going to save a few for next year and see how they do. If it turns out the way i want it to and i find a good plant that has the qualities i like, i'll name a new strain, Mango Kush. :)

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Finally, a few pics of the harvested buds that were still good enough to save, and the seeds i harvested. The ones in the bag are from the larger producing Mango mother and seemed to offer the most promise for my new strain. All the rest are from the other plants that all looked alike.

Peace for now.

[Opie Yutts]

I had a question about mold

I stumbled across some of my old mold pictures and was going to post them here. Rather than hijacking, here's a thread I made about it:

http://boards.cannabis.com/outdoor-growing/159553-battling-mold-rainy-climates.html

[SouthernGuerilla]

Just FYI dsgandolf and for whomever else we may have growing here in the hot humid dirty south.

First fall freeze dates for GA.
First Fall Freeze Dates in Georgia (http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ffc/html/firstfrz.shtml)

[buddabusa001]

nice grow man, ive been waiting for you to post the finally product and im very impressed and sorry about the moldy bud it happened to me last season:(


budda:rastasmoke:

[kack409]

damn im sorry to hear about your mold, yea theres a hurricane coming to florida, and i had to uproot her and im going to move her to my friends basement...for a week...i've also been waiting for you to post your final product...but i like your thinking =]

[dgsgandalf]

Hey guys. It's been kinda crazy around here lately, so i haven't been able to get on.

So i'm still smoking the Mango buds. I'm actually starting to get used to the high and smoke of this stuff, but i can't wait for something else to come along. The 1 final mango plant is going ok. I really need to fertilize it. The Thai Stick plants are doing pretty well. The one i topped fell over and is laying on a blackberry bush. It's still growing though and should bud nicely unless something goes horribly wrong. Updates on that later.

Other than that, peace guys, and happy toking!

[hydrocannabis]

new pix soon AAAAAA.:D sounds like ur plants R doing u good.:thumbsup:

so good luck on the thai stick plants and the rest of em.:thumbsup:

[jah1son]

Crop is looking pretty good. Need some help trimming the Thai when she finishes? I haven't had the pleasure of being around a good sativa in awhile. My garage-grown indicas usually come out real sweet though. Unfortunately had to shut down this season.