Wait or Flower

[SunnySativa]

Welp, i found a digital so here are some pictures of my current grow. 2 Plants are on a higher level only because i was pressured for space and under them the closet is slanted so i have to rig what you see, making them a little higher, though it doesnt effect anything really in a negative way. Anywayz im looking for a good yield but i dont want these babies gettin to big [like my last grow did]. Come tomorrow these would have been on a month of veg, i was thinking about letting them go another week then jumping them into flower and id like to hear some suggestions or comments...oh and my digital didnt have a good filter for my HPS so thats why they look like yellow, but they a healthy looking green. Im also using LST on a couple of them [thats why the tops of over on like 3 and you might see some string in there.:rastasmoke:

[SunnySativa]

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[Backpacker420]

Looking good man, what is your setup like? How old are these babies?

[HateHeaven]

I'd wait at least 3 or 4 weeks of veg :thumbsup:

[SunnySativa]

They are a month old today and my setup is a 430 HPS lamp, with 2 CFLs hangin a little lower to keep a more MH type spectrum but imma take them out soon as i start flower. Those ones are on a higher level becuz of my space issue, but all seem to be growin equal, using some LST for the bigger ones. Yeah ill prob wait maybe 3 or so weeks then start to flower. The room issue will prob be taken care of as soon as i pull my males after the first week of flower then i can really setup them up a little better.

[hybridlove420]

id give em one more week in veg. at this point, every week in veg is gonna add like 20-30% to your final harvest.

[Mr. Clandestine]

id give em one more week in veg. at this point, every week in veg is gonna add like 20-30% to your final harvest.

Really? 20-30% per extra week of veg, eh? So... if you were to veg for an extra month, you'd get an extra 80-120% bud mass? I'd love to see a link verifying this...

SunnySativa: Your plants are probably pretty close to showing their pre-flowers, which indicates that they're sexually mature enough to flower. I'd recommend at least waiting to see those before you induce flowering. Whether or not you should flower right then is up to you. The longer you veg, the more potential you'll have for possible bud sites through lateral branching, especially if you've done LST. You'll give the lateral branching a little more time to catch up with the tops. But you should also keep in mind that your plants will likely double in size by the time you finish, which might cause a space issue.

On your next grow, given that you're growing the same strain, you'll have a little better idea about how long you should veg based on your personal conditions.

[ChronicE]

givin your situation id give it another month for more nodes to grow out and the flower her up.:thumbsup:

[SunnySativa]

what do you mean by the pre-flowers? How do i see those? I just have to make sure this grow is done by the first week in May, with that condition, should i start flower now? As long as its done say at the end of the first week in may [done with harvest even] when do be the best time to flower. I wana let them veg as long as possible, but i gotta have em done by early May....

[Pepper]

Are those in the containers you're going to flower in? If so, then start flowering them now. If not, it would be better to transplant into the final containers now and wait a few days to begin flowering.

[Mr. Clandestine]

what do you mean by the pre-flowers? How do i see those? I just have to make sure this grow is done by the first week in May, with that condition, should i start flower now? As long as its done say at the end of the first week in may [done with harvest even] when do be the best time to flower. I wana let them veg as long as possible, but i gotta have em done by early May....

What are preflowers? (http://cannabis.com/growing/sexing-what-are-preflowers.html)

After you've checked that link out, head over to the "Sexing" section of the FAQs (http://cannabis.com/growing/index.html). There's more good information in there.

[SunnySativa]

What are preflowers? (http://cannabis.com/growing/sexing-what-are-preflowers.html)

After you've checked that link out, head over to the "Sexing" section of the FAQs (http://cannabis.com/growing/index.html). There's more good information in there.

Ohhh nvm i know all that stuff, i was just confused for a second. Ill check it out now, i wasnt really lookin cuz i was gunna let it go for prob at least another week....

[hybridlove420]

Really? 20-30% per extra week of veg, eh? So... if you were to veg for an extra month, you'd get an extra 80-120% bud mass? I'd love to see a link verifying this...
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i admit i like pulling numbers from my ass...

but once the first 2-3 weeks of flower are over, the plants done its growing (not counting buds/budmass)

most, if not really all, of the plants growth is created during the vegetative phase. id stake a bet on saying that a plant veged for 6 weeks will nearly double the yield of one grown in 3 weeks of veg. (assuming sufficient space/light for a much larger plant)

[Mr. Clandestine]

most, if not really all, of the plants growth is created during the vegetative phase. id stake a bet on saying that a plant veged for 6 weeks will nearly double the yield of one grown in 3 weeks of veg. (assuming sufficient space/light for a much larger plant)

Well, most of the foliage growth and branching is usually done in veg, my plants grow huge in the first few weeks of flowering... but this still sounds better. I'll agree that plants vegged longer have the potential to be larger, but that isn't always a good thing for every grower. Especially to someone with limited head-space for their plants. Uniformity is important when you don't have much space to work with. And you're also right that flowering at three weeks (unless it's a clone) would be a mistake. If from seed, the plants most likely will not be mature enough to flower, and switching to 12/12 will cause them unneeded stress, and poor growth. After having shown preflowers, it's really up to the grower to decide when to flower.

I wasn't trying to be an ass... I just didn't want anyone getting any false expectations. :thumbsup:

[gainesvillegreen]

I'd like to add that in addition to preflowers, alternating nodes is another sign of sexual maturity. Not all strains will preflower in vegetative, I've personally run into many that wouldn't. So if you begin to see alternating nodes, and no preflower, flower them ladies up (assuming they're as big as you want them).

[SunnySativa]

yea they are growing nicely, all of them are about a foot, if not more, tall so imma veg another couple days and say the 21st start my flowering and see how many male to female ratio i get, hopefully all 8 are fems, but i doubt it....ill keep everyone posted

[daisley2005]

hey, this is not my first grow, but i was wondering what you guys think of these plants..this is my last out door grow about 3/4 through the season...i am now currently trying an indoor grow with 12 plants under some "daylight " flouroesent 4ft tubes..what are better "daylight" or the "cool white" tubes.some indo on the indoor lighting would be great..i also have a 1000w hps than i am waiting to turn on till my plants get a little bigger to save on some power..i'll post some pice of the indoor grow in a day or so , but here are a few pics of the outdoor grow..p.s. the indoor grow are from one of my out door plants that i bred together...the strain came from "buydutchseeds.com" and they were "swiss miss" if you ever herd of that strain or not..let me know what you guys think on the foluro lighting....p.s.s this is my first post on here as i'm new to this site but have been growing for years.and i was also wondering how do make my own post...i cant seem to figure it out..and sory for highjacking you threat my man, but im new to this site and couldn't figure out how to make my own post..some help would be great...thanks guys

[SunnySativa]

I've changed my mind on waiting a week. If i do, considering the space i have, some of the plants will be covered over by others. So imma start flower tonite, ill have the sexing results i suppose in about a week

[Opie Yutts]

Sup to you. Some people don't veg at all. The longer you veg the more you'll weigh. 6 or 8 weeks of veg does pretty good. Is it the lights, or do your plants need N?

[SunnySativa]

Its the lights, they are all nice green looking. Yea im just anxious to see how many females i got, and i want these plants to be done by the beginning of May so i cant let them get to big. They are a good enough size to me, I think i get a good bit from them. 8 In all so if all 8 are fem [which i doubt but hope] ill have a lot, im just pressed for space also, leaves are starting to cover eachother

[theelectrician]

i seldom see pistils before flowering. when theve got about 6 or 7 levels of branching plants r usually 14 to 18 inches right size for most indoor growers speaking 4 myself cheerio and good mornin headin 2 work :cool:

[SunnySativa]

*UPDATE*Well its been almost a week of flower and so far its lookin like i got a bunch of males. I started with 8 and so far as i can see it looks like 1/2 are males, maybe even more. Im gunna let them grow a couple more days and see if they Hermie and just to make sure before i pull them. Ill have pics soon:(

[M.B.A.]

that sux!!! I was hopin for you that all 8 were gonna be female. Hope the rest are fems, just found out my BigBud from seed is male

[SunnySativa]

Aw, well mine is just bagseed, but damn, thats less plants to harvest :( well the official count now is 6 plants, 2 were cut down today cuz they were clearly males...update in a couple days when i can figure out the rest.

[Pepper]

If you only have a couple of males don't worry about it. The other plants will get more light which means they'll have more bud. Just train the branches to fill in the area you have.

[SunnySativa]

Well thats so far, the rest of the 6 plants havent shown signs of goin either way yet, so i might not end up with any fems. On a good note, one of the plants that turned out to be male gave me an open 2gallon to transfer a possible female into becuz it became root bound in what i had it in.

Pepper - i hope that clone offer still stands? Get at me on AIM next time your on so we can talk about it.

[SunnySativa]

Damn!!!! There goes another one, late blooming male, that leaves me with 5 plants out of 8.....we'll see what happens now, still sexing it seems like tho ive been in flower for about 2 weeks

[SunnySativa]

Update, heres the newest picture. Down to 5....hopefully we start seeing some kinda of budding soon =]

[Opie Yutts]

Keeping fingers crossed for you, mentally of course.

[SunnySativa]

Keeping fingers crossed for you, mentally of course.

Thanks Opie, i had an issue with temperature, it was a tad bit cold in the room so growth has been slow, but i fixed the problem and should see some serious development now. I think that the rest [5] are females:rastasmoke: Last grow i had less then 50% fem, this time i got a bit over half are fem! I got spring break coming up [going to Cancun] but i gotta close friend as my temp gardener. Prob one more update before i leave in a week or so, then update when i get back in the country.

[LdyMarsRN]

:thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

going to Cancun.
You lucky bastard.


but i gotta close friend as my temp gardener.
Uh oh, careful there. That often means trouble. Make sure they're committed and dependable.

[hybridlove420]

not so much dependable as make sure they wont demand half the crop at harvest...lol

as long as it gets water twice a week and lights dont blow, youll be fine (knock on wood)

[antman20]

nice plants you got goin on there i had somthin like that but i think im a little farther than you i started with 8 plants now i have 4 females and 2 clones of one the fems i give a picture but i got blazed and lost it in my house some were i'll put some pics up lata
but best of luck 2 ya peace

[carinia]

Nice plants sunny! Im sure the rest of those will turn out to be fems, they always take longer to show than males do. :) Good luck!

[SunnySativa]

*UPDATE*, well, time for spring break over here, im and headed off to Cancun, like i promised pictures before i left of how its doing. Gotta buddy checkin after them while im gone [watering them twice over the week since ill be in Mexico til Thursday] Anyway, as you can see 5 fems flowering nicely, hopefully he doesnt fuck it up and forget to water them, guess we'll find out when i get back, which is when you can expect the next update....cheers

[SunnySativa]

BACK FROM CANCUN MEXICO and my ladies are lookin real nice, my friend watering them did a good job...ill throw a pic up asap

[SunnySativa]

So i went to Cancun sunday, and im not sure just exactly where my light timer malfunctioned and went onto manual instead of auto, giving my plant 24 hours again while my plants have already been in flower for a couple of weeks now, will this harm my plants much if any? I switched it back just now to 12/12 like it was, cuz i just now noticed.....?

Pictures soon, wanted a fresh thread