Danish Mohammed cartoon reprinted

[McLeodGanja]

What the fuck are they thinking. Is it really so difficult to just not publish cartoons like this, regardless of wether the extremists were out of line sending death threats, or whether you think the muslims are perhaps overreacting to it, portraying a religious figure as a terrorist is very disrespectful, in my opinion.

BBC NEWS | Europe | Danish Muhammad cartoon reprinted (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7242258.stm)

[rebgirl420]

Maybe, but it's free speech.

[McLeodGanja]

If it is clearly going to upset a whole load of people though, isn't it better to just not say it?

[rebgirl420]

No, it's a snowball effect. Where does it end?


Everything is too PC in this world anymore. No one wants to step on anyones toes.

[McLeodGanja]

Well, if it threatens to spark off riots and introduce the possibiilty of a terror attack by some extremist nutters, isn't it better to just not print something like this.

In Scotland, if you burn an american flag with the words FUCK BUSH on it you can get arrested, not much free speech there.

UK Indymedia - Anti-War protestor on Racist Charges scores early Legal Victory (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/09/277149.html)

I was there when it happened, and I was one of the many who marched down to the police station and held a protest outside it that night.

I'm just saying out of respect for the majority of muslims who are peaceful, I don't think it is right to print a cartoon which effectively brands anyone who worships mohammed as an extremist who wants to blow up the west. Free speech or not, it's very disrespectful.

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, if it threatens to spark off riots and introduce the possibiilty of a terror attack by some extremist nutters, isn't it better to just not print something like this.

In Scotland, if you burn an american flag with the words FUCK BUSH on it you can get arrested, not much free speech there.

UK Indymedia - Anti-War protestor on Racist Charges scores early Legal Victory (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/09/277149.html)

I was there when it happened, and I was one of the many who marched down to the police station and held a protest outside it that night.

I'm just saying out of respect for the majority of muslims who are peaceful, I don't think it is right to print a cartoon which effectively brands anyone who worships mohammed as an extremist who wants to blow up the west. Free speech or not, it's very disrespectful.


Sucks for you, glad I live in a "facist terror state" ran by an evil dictator that just hasn't remembered to censor political satire because bed wetting libs and islamic terrorists can't take it.
How exactly do you portray an islamic facist, It's a comment on culture not race. They aren't born Islamic facists, it's open game. Should they be portrayed with a fucking rosery or cross so they aren't offended. Fact is they are MUSLIM EXTREMISTS, but don't point that out! I don't want them to get mad and hurt me! Holy Sweet Feathery Jesus!! :asskick::asskick::asskick::asskick::asskick:

[McLeodGanja]

The extremists who blow themselves up on trains have got nothing to do with religion, or Islam. Let's keep the portrayal of those two things separate, out of respect for true muslim cultural values.

Fair enough, they made a mistake and printed a cartoon which offended the muslim world, I'm sure they didn't mean to. They now have the assholes who threatened the "artists" life, Great! There's no need to kill anyone for putting their foot in it.

They donot need to reprint these cartoons knowing that it will offend people again. It's not necessary.

[denial102]

Maybe, but it's free speech.

me calling you a very nasty nasty word is free speech, but it is not very nice! :) If you know it is going to antagonize people, or lead to death you take full responsibility in unleashing the wrath of free speech!


"It is by the goodness of God that, in this country, we have three benefits: freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and the wisdom never to use either." - Mark Twain


So great many instill necessity for freedom of speech, so few have the respect or dignity demanded of it - me, hehe

Peace out,
Denial

[8182KSKUSH]

Hey I hope that no one comes and tries to kill me because SOMEONE SOMEWHERE MAY BE OFFENDED!!!! LMFAO!!!!

Not about religion huh? I think you have a very basic fundamental lack of knowledge about this if that's what you think. Wow guess that explains everything that I need to know, I was wondering how anyone could possibly think..then you said that and now I understand!

My other avatar was the most prolific American murderer ever, I was scared that using it might upset someone and then they might come kick my ass, so now I am gonna use this one!:jointsmile:

O gosh o my I hope that this doesn't make some dumb shit turd Islamic Fanatic mad!!! O my!!!! Now we are all gonna die! What have I done ooooooooooooooooooo!:beatdeadhorse::beatdeadhorse: :beatdeadhorse::S4::S4::S4::stupid::stupid::stupid ::lol5::lol5::lol5::S2::S2::S2::rastasmoke::rastas moke::rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

BTW, is that rasta smiley racist?

[Psycho4Bud]

The first time it was just satire...unfortunately some people can't take a joke as well as they can throw out death threats. This time, full well knowing what may happen, is close to inciting a riot.

Controversy sells just as well as bad news.....hopefully no innocent people get hurt along the way. I really don't understand how a group of people that gather in the thousands and chant "Death to the infidels" can really have a bitch about something on this order.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

Kush.....you're posts remind me of that show Scariest Chases. Your going 110 miles an hour and there's a 45 mph corner just up ahead.:eek: SLOW down my brother. :thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

wow that was wierd my computer must have just went to hell there for a second!

[denial102]

"I'm with ignorance" labels for sale!

Peace,
Denial

[yokinazu]

hw many of yall here know that there is a portrait of mohamed on the facade of the supreme court in washington dc?

[zeitgeist]

Fucking retards to reprint this again. Sure there is free speech but what ever happened to respect and responsibility?

[slavetopot]

Fucking retards to reprint this again. Sure there is free speech but what ever happened to respect and responsibility?

Could of not said it better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:stoned:

[Psycho4Bud]

Sure there is free speech but what ever happened to respect and responsibility?

They got pawned off for profit margin and ratings.:(

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[McLeodGanja]

The first time it was just satire...unfortunately some people can't take a joke as well as they can throw out death threats. This time, full well knowing what may happen, is close to inciting a riot.


Indeed it is, they were out protesting on the streets yesterday, but thankfully things didn't turn ugly.

BBC NEWS | Europe | Danish Muslims in cartoon protest (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7247817.stm)

"Many said they simply could not understand the motive unless it was hatred for Islam."

I wouldn't be surprised. Certainly in Holland they are very racist towards muslims. If you are Turkish or Moroccan here then you are a second class citizen.

[McLeodGanja]

Iran has demanded an apology from Denmark over this. Danish ministers have cancelled trips to Iran.

BBC NEWS | Europe | Danish MPs refuse cartoon apology (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7248963.stm)

[Dream of the iris]

I don't think they have to apoligize for anything. As far as I'm concerned they're expressing their hatred to a religion and though its mean and disrespectful they have every right to do it. there's not a single day that goes by where someone elses opinion offends me...shoot just the other day I met an anti semite and I'm a jew but did I get all pissed off? Not really because they are subject to their own opinion....needless to say I just turned the other cheek like a good person and never hung out with them again. You see I think it was necessary to reprint this because by reprinting it we are showing everyone that we're not afraid of terrorists. If everyone in the World fears terrorism then they've already won. I walk around every day knowing some douche bag could have a bomb strapped to him or a gun and go nuts in his backwards religion but I'm not going to be scared and change my life and my viewpoints just to stop it. So reprinting this cartoon may have offended muslims but it meant something much deeper than the last time it was printed....its the principle that counts.

[Reefer Rogue]

Well, they've run out of garfield cartoons obviously.

[McLeodGanja]

They should put a decapitated muhammed up on billboards!

How about a picture of Jesus smoking a big fat reefer, I'd be more in favour of that, but call me biased.

I'm sorry I refuse to join the wave of anti mutilation that is spreading across the western holospehere, I've met too many muslim people who have shown me a lot of respect.

It's fucking BULLSHIT. Don't me wrong though, I've met my share of assholes. But at the same time I'm not surprised that I meet them from time to time since I know the disrespect they are afforded in Holland and Scotland.

All I can say is I have several muslim friends from the past who have done a lot to help me in my hour of need, and who have done nothing but be friendly towards me, and respect me back.

They are the ones I think of when I think about Islam.

I smoke hashish with them, I eat with them on Ramadan, they are beautiful people.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I'm sorry I refuse to join the wave of anti mutilation that is spreading across the western holospehere...

So, you're in favor of spreading mutilation across the western holospehere?

I think that you ought to put down the chillum and roll your joints a littler skinner, lol. This is getting too absurd even for a pot board. :D

[McLeodGanja]

So, you're in favor of spreading mutilation across the western holospehere?

I think that you ought to put down the chillum and roll your joints a littler skinner, lol. This is getting too absurd even for a pot board. :D

I posted something in another thread and wished that I had said holosphere instead of hemispehere outwith the 10 minute window of edition. That was some bollocks about Autechre though....

I smoke my chillum and my shisha bongs with my brothers. I never mention to them, whilst we smoke, about how fucking horny I think muslim women in burkas are though, out of repsect for them.

I keep it to myself, same way I keep my farts to myself when they stink.

[The Colonel]

"If anyone needs to apologise for freedom of speech, human rights, imprisonments, executions and lack of democracy, it is the Iranians."

That about sums it all up right there.

[McLeodGanja]

"If anyone needs to apologise for freedom of speech, human rights, imprisonments, executions and lack of democracy, it is the Iranians."

That about sums it all up right there.

For The Sun readers perhaps. For the rest of us with a brain.

[40oz]

The extremists who blow themselves up on trains have got nothing to do with religion, or Islam. Let's keep the portrayal of those two things separate, out of respect for true muslim cultural values.




Actually, I think the extremists who blow themselves up have got everything to do with religion. I am not trying to say Islam is about violence and war, but according to the Koran, which is the holy and unquestionable word of god, violence is not only praised but the duty of the true Muslim when it is necessary.

The Koran makes it very clear in a very forceful manner that infidels and trespassers of the Islamic law need to be dealt with using force. The extremists have many "valid" reasons as to why this 'jihad' is necessary. I put valid in quotes because I think it is a different question in ethics as to whether suicide bombings and violence can be validated. Here is a quote that summarizes some of the other extremists grievances (against the USA at least):



Unlike the SLA and Weathermen, who were using violence to sway a population living in a functionally democratic society, jihadists are fighting against (real or perceived) US-backed military dictatorships (Pakistan), sanctioned torture that breaches the Geneva Conventions (Guantanamo), terrorizing of indigenous Muslim populations by US-backed allies (Israel), genocide (Clintonâ??s sustained bombing and sanctions of Iraq which allegedly killed over 500,000), occupation of Muslim land and looting of resources (Iraq), and even the overthrow of democratically elected governments (Algeria)

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/3513/The_Passing_Fad_of_Jihad (http://www.gnn.tv/articles/3513/The_Passing_Fad_of_Jihad)


Now I am in no way saying that I agree with what they are doing, or that they necessarily reflect the true Islamic religion properly, but you have to give them some credit if their motives truly are righteous and in the name of god, as they claim. According to the Koran, only a truly enlightened being, whose heart and mind have not been sealed by god, could ever see the justification behind the violence.

It may be scary to think about but the Koran isn't all about violence, so don't assume that because it preaches death to infidels it doesn't also preach peace. You can find many passages and quotes to justify the perspective of a peace to infidels and trespassers message as well.

It's a very complex and thought provoking situation and the answers can only be found in a person's own view of reality. Their perceptions of life, god, morals, good, evil, everything. While I do not think the extremist movement is ethically responsible, and I consider their crimes against humanity an outrage, I still have to respect their convictions and obedience to god. They are truly the walking manifestation of "god's" warriors.

[zeitgeist]

This hatred against all muslims is stupid. With the same mindset I could easily hate all white people

Dont let the actions of a few affect the way you look at everyone. You just show how stupid you are

[8182KSKUSH]

Is anyone advocating for hate for "all muslims"? :wtf:

[8182KSKUSH]

I believe that there is a pretty clear distinction made between those that are Islamic, and those that are Facist Islamic Terrorists. I guess at least I can make the distinction.:thumbsup:

[ldg420]

dirka dirka :stoned:

[Reefer Rogue]

It is always the muslims choice to believe in Islam, therefore it is their choice to be offended by taking a stance. People will disagree. People will challenge your beliefs. People will not believe in any gods or master, like myself. Offense is subjective. People get offended by different things. If religious people get offended when you question God or their beliefs then that's their problem, not mine. They're just frustrated and close minded. Perhaps they've never even questioned their beliefs, they just hold them as superstition, which then becomes dead dogma. A belief is not one worth having if you can't justify it against your opposite. Comparing a prophet to a terrorist is a hyperbolic comparison. Obviously, Allah isn't committing these murders, he doesn't exist. It's people, it's always the people. The cartoon then isn't so much a dig at islam, instead at these extremists who are ruining the world with their tainted and dangerous belifs. It highlights the ludicrousy of jihad. If i disagree with them i should be killed in the name of allah. Fuck that. Religion kills. Is the cartoon disrespectful? Yes, to some people and not to others. So what though? I have every right to disrespect you with my words as you do to me. As long as i don't infringe upon your human rights or attempt to stop you fulfilling your freedom. This as well as violence is what constitutes harm.

[McLeodGanja]

I think I filled my cup too full with the "blood of christ" last night LOL

Did I say women in burkas were horny?

I think I was actually thinking of Nicole Scherzinger in that video where her head is half underwater, that's the kind of thing I was going for.

Respect to everyones opinion anyway, this has been a good debate. Peace.

[zeitgeist]

Is anyone advocating for hate for "all muslims"? :wtf:

yeah. If you put a cartoon with of mohammed in a magazine that's basically a big fuck you to all muslims. They knew exactly what they were doing especially with a strong dislike for muslims in that country

[rebgirl420]

I dunno, all I know is that I'm for free speech, in ALL forms. It has nothing to do with hating Muslims. But I also feel that it is only fair for Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, whatever to have the right to do the same thing to Christianity or any other religion.






"I may not agree with what you say sir, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it."


Remember Christians/jews/wiccans/whatever, don't shit a brick when it happens to you back :thumbsup:

[dejayou30]

I think all religions should receive the same criticisms for the ridiculous ideas that they are. The knowledge gained by man about our origins and the world around us has surpassed the need for invisible men to explain things. Plus, terrorism and bigotry are the best things that can possibly come from believing in an invisible sky man. Why give stories about invisible sky men more than a laugh? The shit is retarded and its time for the human race to face facts, and facts show we are just a super evolved intelligent animal with a super involved brain. We need to stop walking on eggshells around to topic of religion mainly because it relies 100% on faith even in the face of facts and observable reality.