John McCain

[Psycho4Bud]

Issues Focus


Economic Stimulus Plan
John McCain has bold solutions to stimulate the American economy.

McCain Tax Cut Plan
John McCain believes taxes should be low, simple, and fair and has a track record of commitment to these principles.

Government Spending, Lower Taxes and Economic Prosperity
America's economic progress requires that the federal government abide by the same standards of common sense and fiscal restraint as hardworking families.

Straight Talk on Health System Reform
John McCain is willing to address the fundamental problem: the rapidly rising cost of U.S. health care. Bringing costs under control is the only way to stop the erosion of affordable health insurance, save Medicare and Medicaid, protect private health benefits for retirees, and allow our companies to effectively compete around the world.

Strict Constructionist Philosophy
John McCain believes that one of the greatest threats to our liberty and the Constitutional framework that safeguards our freedoms are willful judges who usurp the role of the people and their representatives and legislate from the bench. As President, John McCain will nominate judges who understand that their role is to faithfully apply the law as written, not impose their opinions through judicial fiat.

Human Dignity & the Sanctity of Life
During more than five years as a POW in Vietnam, John McCain experienced the worst assaults on human dignity imaginable. Yet each day he also saw in his fellow prisoners the power of human compassion and the will to prevail against unimaginable evil. It is this experience, and a life dedicated to public service, that has imbued in John McCain a fundamental commitment to the protection of human dignity that will shape his presidency.

Lobbying & Ethics Reform
John McCain believes that a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" must remain ever faithful to that noble charge. America needs leadership devoted to the public interest, not the special interest, and a government that fulfills its duties with unfailing integrity, accountability, and common sense. Those who serve in positions of public trust have a patriotic duty to serve the national interest with integrity and accountability, to conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of the people we are privileged to serve, and to devote ourselves to America's agenda, not that of narrow special interests.

Strategy for Victory in Iraq
John McCain believes that we must not fail in Iraq. Succeeding in the cause of helping the Iraqi people build a stable, secure, representative state is essential to achieving an enduring peace in a region of the world central to American prosperity and national security. Failure in Iraq will endanger America for generations to come. America has a vital interest in a secure, democratic Iraq, at peace with its neighbors, to help stabilize a dangerous and critical region.

Border Security & Immigration Reform
I have always believed that our border must be secure and that the federal government has utterly failed in its responsibility to ensure that it is secure. If we have learned anything from the recent immigration debate, it is that Americans have little trust that their government will honor a pledge to do the things necessary to make the border secure.

Commitment To America's Service Members: Past And Present
America owes its liberty, its prosperity, and its future to our veterans who have dedicated their lives to protecting our great country. John McCain has fought to honor our national commitment to our veterans who have given their careers and livelihoods to ensuring our freedom. He believes we must provide for service members and their families while they serve, we must help those who return from combat to adjust to civilian life, and we must honor and never forget the service of those who do not return.

Education
Excellence, Choice, and Competition in American Education

National Security
The most sacred responsibility vested in a president - the commander in chief - is to "preserve and protect" American citizens. John McCain has the necessary vision and unrivaled experience to command the United States armed forces and adapt our nation's defenses to the demands of a changing and dangerous world.

Stewards of Our Nation's Rich Natural Heritage
John McCain has a proud record of common sense stewardship. Along with his commitment to clean air and water, and to conserving open space, he has been a leader on the issue of global warming with the courage to call the nation to action on an issue we can no longer afford to ignore.

Protecting Second Amendment Rights
John McCain believes that the right of law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is a fundamental, individual Constitutional right that we have a sacred duty to protect. We have a responsibility to ensure that criminals who violate the law are prosecuted to the fullest, rather than restricting the rights of law abiding citizens. Gun control is a proven failure in fighting crime. Law abiding citizens should not be asked to give up their rights because of criminals - criminals who ignore gun control laws anyway.

America's Space Program
"Let us now embark upon this great journey into the stars to find whatever may await us."
John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President (http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/)

I'm no big fan of McCain but since he is the front man in the GOP with the majority of the delegates, I felt it was a good time to learn a bit more about him. All of these different issues go more in-depth in the site given.

Have a good one!:s4:

[McLeodGanja]

....we must not fail in Iraq. Succeeding in the cause of ... achieving an enduring peace in a region of the world central to American prosperity and national security.

Interesting way to put it.

[rebgirl420]

Here's what he thinks about some very important issues...and I think it's complete crap. THIS IS WHY I HATE McCAIN AND ALL OF THESE OTHER POLITICIANS. I'm only voting for the man because I hate Hillary and Obama even more.

Overturning Roe v. Wade


John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench. Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion - the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need. This work must continue and government must find new ways to empower and strengthen these armies of compassion. These important groups can help build the consensus necessary to end abortion at the state level. As John McCain has publicly noted, "At its core, abortion is a human tragedy. To effect meaningful change, we must engage the debate at a human level."

Protecting Marriage

As president, John McCain would nominate judges who understand that the role of the Court is not to subvert the rights of the people by legislating from the bench. Critical to Constitutional balance is ensuring that, where state and local governments do act to preserve the traditional family, the Courts must not overstep their authority and thwart the Constitutional right of the people to decide this question.

The family represents the foundation of Western Civilization and civil society and John McCain believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. It is only this definition that sufficiently recognizes the vital and unique role played by mothers and fathers in the raising of children, and the role of the family in shaping, stabilizing, and strengthening communities and our nation.

As with most issues vital to the preservation and health of civil society, the basic responsibility for preserving and strengthening the family should reside at the level of government closest to the people. In their wisdom, the Founding Fathers reserved for the States the authority and responsibility to protect and strengthen the vital institutions of our civil society. They did so to ensure that the voices of America's families could not be ignored by an indifferent national government or suffocated through filibusters and clever legislative maneuvering in Congress.

And surprise, surprise. I couldn't find ANYTHING about the War on Drugs.

This is why it is hard to be a Libertarian. I have to side with the republicans because they are very slightly like Libertarians. Sorta. Kinda.

I don't want ANY of these people in office. Only Ron Paul.

[Fencewalker]

Economic Stimulus Plan
John McCain has bold solutions to stimulate the American economy.
Too bad he decided to be a no show for the vote on the stimulus package voted on today. Instead of taking a stand pro or con, he decided to just not vote. Something he has done over half the time in his tenure as a Senator.

This man chooses not to do his job as Senator, but thinks he should be President?

[rebgirl420]

The very same paragraph that you wrote could also be used for Obama...





Just so everyone is clear that ALL of these politicians are lying scum.

[Zimzum]

Too bad he decided to be a no show for the vote on the stimulus package voted on today. Instead of taking a stand pro or con, he decided to just not vote. Something he has done over half the time in his tenure as a Senator.

This man chooses not to do his job as Senator, but thinks he should be President?

In McCain's defense he was attending the CPEC conference today in DC. Could be a reason why he didn't vote. Paul, Hillary, and Obama have missed some votes as well being on the campaign trail.

[Fencewalker]

The very same paragraph that you wrote could also be used for Obama...





Just so everyone is clear that ALL of these politicians are lying scum.
Well, they all tend to miss votes, anyway. ;)

In McCain's defense he was attending the CPEC conference today in DC. Could be a reason why he didn't vote. Paul, Hillary, and Obama have missed some votes as well being on the campaign trail.
Ok, that was today. He is currently running second in the senate for missed votes, at 56.6%. What's his excuse for the rest of the time?
Here (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/vote-missers/) is a list of those members of the Senate not voting.
Here (http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/) is a list of the House members.

Want to go issue by issue? McCain (http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270) Obama (http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=BS030017)

Personally, as little as they get done, there should be some type of reform stating they have to vote (yea or nay) 98% of the time or get the hell out. Yeah, I'm dreaming...But it's a nice dream. :jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Maybe both of the canidates are trying to lead by example. What better way to reduce the impact of the federal government in peoples lives than to just shut it down and only allow it to funcion for half of the time it currently does!
Joking of course, obviously Osama isn't intrested in shrinking government or making it less involved in peoples lives. Not that he'll get the nomination anyway.

How about this for a scary vision of the future, McCain offers the vp to Osama to "reach across the isle". Just a joke of course! Don't take anything I just said too serious!:D

[dragonrider]

Of the three front runners for the GOP (OK, four front runners for you Ron Paul fans), I'm glad McCain seems to have taken it. I disagreed with many of Ron Paul's positions; I think Romney is a fake, sleazy car salesman shyster; and I think Huckabee is too much in the pocket of the religions right (although he has the best personality of them all --- good sense of humor, and a nice easy manner about him).

McCain is a decent moderate republican. He is also a man of integrity. I don't agree with some of his policies, but for me his integrity is probably more important than his policies. He's honest, and after 8 years of lies and corruption, honesty counts for something.

On the war in Iraq, he staked out one of the two positions I supported when we were floundering for the last five years. My feeling was that we either had to go all out and put everything we had in it, or just get the hell out. Fight or filght, but don't just stand there like a deer in the headlights and get flattened the way we were. His policy has turned the tide, and I just wish we had done it 5 years ago. FIVE FREAKIN' YEARS! If it works out that the strategy has succeeded by the time the election rolls around, that may put him over the top.

His biggest challenges are going to be motivating and uniting his party, his boring style, and his age.

A good proportion of Republicans do not consider McCain to be a good Republican. They don't think he is a true conservative. He's going to have trouble convincing the social/religious conservatives. If he can't unite and motivate the party he's going to have huge trouble because the Democrats are highly motivated. Something like 70% of Democrats would be happy with either candidate, and the Democratic turnouts in the primaries have been almost twice as high as the GOP. It points to a united and moitvated Democratic party.

He has a boring and stilted style. If he has to go up against Obama, he's going to come off lame in comparison as far as style and excitement.

He is old. He'd take office at 72 I think. If he won another term, he'd leave at 80. It makes the VP pick a bit more than just theoretical. He could concievably die in office just from being an old old man.

I'm a Democrat, so versus Obama, I would vote for Obama. I have an unexplained dislike for Clinton, so versus Clinton, I might consider McCain. But if a Democrat were to lose to McCain, I think I could live with that, whereas any of the other Republican candidates would have really bothered me.

[8182KSKUSH]

Of the three front runners for the GOP (OK, four front runners for you Ron Paul fans), I'm glad McCain seems to have taken it. I disagreed with many of Ron Paul's positions; I think Romney is a fake, sleazy car salesman shyster; and I think Huckabee is too much in the pocket of the religions right (although he has the best personality of them all --- good sense of humor, and a nice easy manner about him).

McCain is a decent moderate republican. He is also a man of integrity. I don't agree with some of his policies, but for me his integrity is probably more important than his policies. He's honest, and after 8 years of lies and corruption, honesty counts for something.

On the war in Iraq, he staked out one of the two positions I supported when we were floundering for the last five years. My feeling was that we either had to go all out and put everything we had in it, or just get the hell out. Fight or filght, but don't just stand there like a deer in the headlights and get flattened the way we were. His policy has turned the tide, and I just wish we had done it 5 years ago. FIVE FREAKIN' YEARS! If it works out that the strategy has succeeded by the time the election rolls around, that may put him over the top.

His biggest challenges are going to be motivating and uniting his party, his boring style, and his age.

A good proportion of Republicans do not consider McCain to be a good Republican. They don't think he is a true conservative. He's going to have trouble convincing the social/religious conservatives. If he can't unite and motivate the party he's going to have huge trouble because the Democrats are highly motivated. Something like 70% of Democrats would be happy with either candidate, and the Democratic turnouts in the primaries have been almost twice as high as the GOP. It points to a united and moitvated Democratic party.

He has a boring and stilted style. If he has to go up against Obama, he's going to come off lame in comparison as far as style and excitement.

He is old. He'd take office at 72 I think. If he won another term, he'd leave at 80. It makes the VP pick a bit more than just theoretical. He could concievably die in office just from being an old old man.

I'm a Democrat, so versus Obama, I would vote for Obama. I have an unexplained dislike for Clinton, so versus Clinton, I might consider McCain. But if a Democrat were to lose to McCain, I think I could live with that, whereas any of the other Republican candidates would have really bothered me.

I think you are right to a large extent. My biggest fear is that Osama will get the nom and beat McCain handily, as you said "the contrast between them is striking" and that has shown in the past to be a decisive factor. "JFK?" All that being said, I don't think your fellow dems are going to allow that to happen. Not this time around. I really HOPE that Billary gets it, like I said, landslide victory for McCain, who is by far and away a better choice than that :tin foil hat:

[Fencewalker]

Well, I'm a Ron Paul fan but by no stretch of the imagination do I consider him a "front runner". ;)

Boy do I have to differ with your opinion about McCain being a man of integrity and honesty though:

In 1999, McCain was in New Hampshire, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a moderate. He proclaimed himself a pro-life candidate, but told reporters that â??in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade.â?� He explained that overturning Roe would force â??women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations.â?� Yesterday, campaigning for the GOP nomination as a conservative, McCain said the opposite.


STEPHANOPOULOS: Let me ask one question about abortion. Then I want to turn to Iraq. Youâ??re for a constitutional amendment banning abortion, with some exceptions for life and rape and incest.

MCCAIN: Rape, incest and the life of the mother. Yes.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So is President Bush, yet that hasnâ??t advanced in the six years heâ??s been in office. What are you going to do to advance a constitutional amendment that President Bush hasnâ??t done?

MCCAIN: I donâ??t think a constitutional amendment is probably going to take place, but I do believe that itâ??s very likely or possible that the Supreme Court should â?? could overturn Roe v. Wade, which would then return these decisions to the states, which I supportâ?¦. Just as I believe that the issue of gay marriage should be decided by the states, so do I believe that we would be better off by having Roe v. Wade return to the states.

The old McCain didnâ??t want an amendment and didnâ??t want Roe overturned. The new McCain completely disagrees with the old McCain.

Itâ??s worth noting that politiciansâ?? opinions on abortion can, and often do, â??evolveâ?� over time. Dick Gephardt and Al Gore, for example, both opposed abortion rights before eventually becoming pro-choice. With this in mind, McCainâ??s unexpected shift may simply reflect yet another pol whose thinking has changed over time.

Or, far more likely, McCain is once again abandoning any pretense of consistency and integrity, and is now willing to say literally anything to win.

Letâ??s return, once again, to McCainâ??s flourishing flip-flop list, which is now a Top 11 list.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as â??an agent of intoleranceâ?� in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans â??deservedâ?� the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwellâ??s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bushâ??s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending â??dirty moneyâ?� to help finance Bushâ??s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and wonâ??t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now heâ??s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now heâ??s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.
Source (http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html).

[Zimzum]

hmm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TFKXHiefs

And from McCain during his 2000 presidential run:

"I hate the gooks," McCain said yesterday in response to a question from reporters aboard his campaign bus. "I will hate them as long as I live." (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL)

Funny the MSM didn't mention this when they had a hard on for the old Ron Paul news letters...

[angry nomad]

I didn't care for his amnesty bill that he co-wrote with Ted Kennedy.

[eg420ne]

Ol john 'the songbird' Mccain he's our man to follow up on bushes corrupt ways....hey, John was born in Panama, wouldnt that make it illegal to become prez or was Panama a state of the USA..

[eg420ne]

I think you are right to a large extent. My biggest fear is that Osama will get the nom and beat McCain handily, as you said "the contrast between them is striking" and that has shown in the past to be a decisive factor. "JFK?" All that being said, I don't think your fellow dems are going to allow that to happen. Not this time around. I really HOPE that Billary gets it, like I said, landslide victory for McCain, who is by far and away a better choice than that :tin foil hat:
Osama??....nothing like a good ol repuke talking point...........but Billary sounds right....

[Fencewalker]

Ol john 'the songbird' Mccain he's our man to follow up on bushes corrupt ways....hey, John was born in Panama, wouldnt that make it illegal to become prez or was Panama a state of the USA..

Some might define the term "natural-born citizen" as one who was born on United States soil. But the First Congress, on March 26, 1790, approved an act that declared, "The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States." That would seem to include McCain, whose parents were both citizens and whose father was a Navy officer stationed at the U.S. naval base in Panama at the time of John's birth in 1936.
Washingtonpost.com: Political Junkie (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/junkie/archive/junkie070998.htm)

[8182KSKUSH]

If it is a choice between McCain vs. Billary, which I still think will happen, I don't see how anyone could not vote for McCain.
Again, if it's between McCain vs. Osama, I don't see why anyone would vote for Osama. His positions on the war, and the economy aren't any different than Billary. Just a different sac of skin. He may actually be worse than Billary on policies. Don't get me wrong, I like him, he seems like a nice guy, but I don't agree with his core philosophy of where he thinks America should go. Of course I realize that "all the young and educated" are going to be voting for him. (Laughable)

As a side note, I think that it is going to say alot as far as how many "Ron Paul" supporters shift to Osama. Obviously core supporters that are intrested in his constitutional philosophy will not, but I bet those supporters of his are a small minority.:thumbsup:

[rebgirl420]

Regarding all these candidates of "hope" and all of the educated and young people are for him,

If your not a liberal when your young you have no heart

If your not a conservative when your older you have no brain.






All that glitters is not gold people.

You can't put glitter on a turd and call it a diamond. It's still gonna have a stink.

[Zcomp]

In McCain's defense he was attending the CPEC conference today in DC. Could be a reason why he didn't vote. Paul, Hillary, and Obama have missed some votes as well being on the campaign trail.
You should watch your cspan channels. They can vote by proxy, which is exactly what hillary has done as far as I've watched.
The choice not to vote is a conscious one.

[BlueCat00]

McCain drug policy so far...it will only get worse if he is elected.

Mexico should extradite drug dealers to the US

McCain lauded the Mexican president's cooperation with America in drug prosecutions. "He's a good man," McCain said of Felipe Calderon. "For the first time in history he extradited drug dealers to the U.S." Source: Campaign website, John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President (http://www.johnmccain.com), "News: Mexico" Mar 19, 2007

McCain: "This administration is AWOL on the war on drugs"

Of the four major candidates, McCain has expressed the most hawkish positions on drug policy. He wants to increase penalties for selling drugs, supports the death penalty for drug kingpins, favors tightening security to stop the flow of drugs into the country, and wants to restrict availability of methadone for heroin addicts. He said the Clinton administration was â??AWOL on the war on drugsâ?� and he would push for more money and military assistance to drug-supplying nations such as Colombia. Source: Boston Globe, p. A21 Mar 5, 2000


Q: How do you reconcile the tolerance for alcohol with the intolerance for marijuana?
A: I canâ??t support the legalization of marijuana. Scientific evidence indicates that the moment that it enters your body, one, it does damage, and second, it can become addictive. It is a gateway drug. There is a problem in American with alcohol abuse, and thereâ??s no doubt about that. We have to do whatever we can to - prevention, education, and that applies to drugs too. Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999

Oh wow he thinks its an additive gateway drug. LMAO what a loser!



Weâ??re losing drug war - just say no

Weâ??re losing the war on drugs. We ought to say, â??Itâ??s not a war anymore,â?� or we really ought to go after it. And there was a time in our history when we werenâ??t always losing the war on drugs. It was when Nancy Reagan had a very simple program called â??Just Say No.â?� And young Americans were reducing the usage of drugs in America. Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999


Restrict methadone treatment programs

McCain introduced the â??Addiction Free Treatment Actâ?� (S.423), which prohibits the use of funds for any drug treatment or rehabilitation program that uses methadone or other heroin detoxification agents unless the program follows specified guidelines, including that the program has as its primary objective the elimination of drug addiction and that it conducts random and frequent comprehensive drug testing for all narcotics. Source: Senate statements S.423 Feb 11, 1999

Stricter penalties; stricter enforcement
McCain supports the following principles concerning illegal drugs:
Increase penalties for selling illegal drugs
Impose mandatory jail sentences for selling illegal drugs
Impose capital punishment for convicted international drug traffickers
Strengthen current laws dealing with non-controlled substances, including inhalants and commercially available pills
Increase funding for border security to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the US

[8182KSKUSH]

McCain drug policy so far...it will only get worse if he is elected.

Mexico should extradite drug dealers to the US

McCain lauded the Mexican president's cooperation with America in drug prosecutions. "He's a good man," McCain said of Felipe Calderon. "For the first time in history he extradited drug dealers to the U.S." Source: Campaign website, John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President (http://www.johnmccain.com), "News: Mexico" Mar 19, 2007

McCain: "This administration is AWOL on the war on drugs"

Of the four major candidates, McCain has expressed the most hawkish positions on drug policy. He wants to increase penalties for selling drugs, supports the death penalty for drug kingpins, favors tightening security to stop the flow of drugs into the country, and wants to restrict availability of methadone for heroin addicts. He said the Clinton administration was â??AWOL on the war on drugsâ?� and he would push for more money and military assistance to drug-supplying nations such as Colombia. Source: Boston Globe, p. A21 Mar 5, 2000


Q: How do you reconcile the tolerance for alcohol with the intolerance for marijuana?
A: I canâ??t support the legalization of marijuana. Scientific evidence indicates that the moment that it enters your body, one, it does damage, and second, it can become addictive. It is a gateway drug. There is a problem in American with alcohol abuse, and thereâ??s no doubt about that. We have to do whatever we can to - prevention, education, and that applies to drugs too. Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999

Oh wow he thinks its an additive gateway drug. LMAO what a loser!



Weâ??re losing drug war - just say no

Weâ??re losing the war on drugs. We ought to say, â??Itâ??s not a war anymore,â?� or we really ought to go after it. And there was a time in our history when we werenâ??t always losing the war on drugs. It was when Nancy Reagan had a very simple program called â??Just Say No.â?� And young Americans were reducing the usage of drugs in America. Source: Republican Debate at Dartmouth College Oct 29, 1999


Restrict methadone treatment programs

McCain introduced the â??Addiction Free Treatment Actâ?� (S.423), which prohibits the use of funds for any drug treatment or rehabilitation program that uses methadone or other heroin detoxification agents unless the program follows specified guidelines, including that the program has as its primary objective the elimination of drug addiction and that it conducts random and frequent comprehensive drug testing for all narcotics. Source: Senate statements S.423 Feb 11, 1999

Stricter penalties; stricter enforcement

McCain supports the following principles concerning illegal drugs:
Increase penalties for selling illegal drugs
Impose mandatory jail sentences for selling illegal drugs
Impose capital punishment for convicted international drug traffickers
Strengthen current laws dealing with non-controlled substances, including inhalants and commercially available pills
Increase funding for border security to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the US

So if I clap my hands and chant "yes we can" then I suppose that is going to change everything. Even if it were true, which it's not, I would still not vote for a liberal dem like Billary or Osama. I think there are some more important things in life, and more things that actually really impact more people such as the war and economy. Granted I doubt anyone here supports McCains position on marijuana, but I am not gonna make that a reason to vote against him in favor of a socialist pig like Billary or Osama Hussein? Give me a break! What good is it having either one of those shiny turds in office because they are less vocal about the fact that they have no intrest in doing the only thing that would matter, reschedueling marijuana, then decriminalizing it on the federal level. All the while moving this nation backwards!!! No thank you I will take John any day!

:D:D
(Note that no personal attacks were directed to the author of the previous post, just criticism of 2 political candidates and an honest opinion that just happens to disagree with the previous poster.)

[yokinazu]

i think mccain may be a very good choice for president. even if he dont beleive in cannibis. thats one of the few things i really dont like about him. hes is the only repub.canadate that dont scare the shit outa me.

there is a proble in this country that is much bigger than the economy, the war, drugs, or immigration all rolled together and that is division. right now if your a dem you are automatically labeled left wing nd if you are a repub then you are label right wing. this is the furthest thing from the truth. it has gotten to the point that our govt has quit using common sense (if they ever had any). nancy pelosi said that she would vote no on all legislation intrduced by the bush admin no matter what. this is fundamently wrong on so any levels. its a rift hat is tearing this country apart.

what pisses off the conseratives is the fact that mccain is willing to reach across this divide and do what should be done and that is compramise. i honestly beleive that mccain could be ale to re-unite the country. he hold not be concerned with fixing his party but the more important job of fixing his country. when it comes to keeping the country together or the party well i say screw the party. mccain just goes to show there is a creature among us noone wants to beleive exists and that is a liberal republican, there are also conservative demacrats.

what scares me about mccain is the thought of him now trying to kiss ass to the conseratives and will he change his veiws in such a way as to make them happy and not stick to his "liberal guns".

his division in our country is the reason that i, even tho i am a liberal, cannot support a liberal cannidate.

remember "united we stand, divided we fall"

[Psycho4Bud]

i think mccain may be a very good choice for president. even if he dont beleive in cannibis. thats one of the few things i really dont like about him. hes is the only repub.canadate that dont scare the shit outa me.

there is a proble in this country that is much bigger than the economy, the war, drugs, or immigration all rolled together and that is division. right now if your a dem you are automatically labeled left wing nd if you are a repub then you are label right wing. this is the furthest thing from the truth. it has gotten to the point that our govt has quit using common sense (if they ever had any). nancy pelosi said that she would vote no on all legislation intrduced by the bush admin no matter what. this is fundamently wrong on so any levels. its a rift hat is tearing this country apart.

what scares me about mccain is the thought of him now trying to kiss ass to the conseratives and will he change his veiws in such a way as to make them happy and not stick to his "liberal guns".

I agree with ya that he's most likely to negotiate with Congress and Senate but his stance on earmarks will probably raise some hell. IF he was to hold to his guns and name the people slipping in this type of crap, it should prove interesting.

I can't wait to see the first debates between him and the Dems candidate.....that should be VERY interesting!:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[gocryemokid]

The very same paragraph that you wrote could also be used for Obama...





Just so everyone is clear that ALL of these politicians are lying scum.

I'm pretty sure on the application to become a politician it says: "Are you ready to forfeit your beliefs and do whatever it takes to win an election, even if it means lying until your blue in the face?"

[/sarcasm]

God, politicians these days make me sick. Aside from RP of course.

[Rusty Trichome]

Regarding all these candidates of "hope" and all of the educated and young people are for him,

If your not a liberal when your young you have no heart

If your not a conservative when your older you have no brain.

All that glitters is not gold people.

You can't put glitter on a turd and call it a diamond. It's still gonna have a stink.

I'm real sorry, but it is so difficult to follow someones political ideology, when they spell it out in pink crayon.

[rebgirl420]

I'm real sorry, but it is so difficult to follow someones political ideology, when they spell it out in pink crayon.

Im sorry you feel that way. But pink font has been my thing here for quite some time. If you don't like it, don't read it. :thumbsup:


Maybe you should focus on what I say and not how I say it.

[Rusty Trichome]

If you don't like it, don't read it. :thumbsup:
Maybe you should focus on what I say and not how I say it.

Actually, that's even more difficult.
Quite frankly...I'm color blind and skip most of your posts, anyways.

[8182KSKUSH]

Im sorry you feel that way. But pink font has been my thing here for quite some time. If you don't like it, don't read it. :thumbsup:


Maybe you should focus on what I say and not how I say it.

You made me have a siezure rebgirl!!! Just kidding, ;)
c'mon Rusty be nice! Like me, my rep says, "I am just really nice!" :D I enjoy reading both your posts!:thumbsup:

[rebgirl420]

Exactly, its no big deal.

And i'm sorry if you are indeed really color blind. And i'm also sorry if you choose to skip my posts.

Hope theres no hard feelings. Especially because I enjoy reading your posts. Your political stances are pretty much the same as mine.

(That posts for you :) )

[Rusty Trichome]

Exactly, its no big deal.

And i'm sorry if you are indeed really color blind. And i'm also sorry if you choose to skip my posts.

Hope theres no hard feelings. Especially because I enjoy reading your posts. Your political stances are pretty much the same as mine.

(That posts for you :) )
Didn't mean to sound crass, but yes, was poking fun.

More going bind, than color blind. Have had these glasses for 3 years now. I really do have to highlight different colored posts, tho. If no contrast it all looks white. Makes it a bitch when determining trichome maturity.
I just like to challenge either sides extreme once in a while, but yes...I will always lean a bit right.
Ya don't see too many right wingers in these forums, so I take the opportunities whenever they may arise. Keeps me on my toes intellectually. Please don't take offense.

[rebgirl420]

None taken. From now on I will post in black in the political section.

And your correct, it's nice to see some other right/libertarians on here. For a long time it was only P4B, me, and one or two others.

[Hajpoj]

The family represents the foundation of Western Civilization and civil society and John McCain believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. It is only this definition that sufficiently recognizes the vital and unique role played by mothers and fathers in the raising of children, and the role of the family in shaping, stabilizing, and strengthening communities and our nation.What the heck? The institution of marriage today is a joke. Get out of the 1950s, the nuclear family no longer exists. The most common type of *families* in this world are struggling single mothers, who much better deserve all the resources being squandered on preserving what is the minority, nuclear families...

[8182KSKUSH]

What the heck? The institution of marriage today is a joke. Get out of the 1950s, the nuclear family no longer exists. The most common type of *families* in this world are struggling single mothers, who much better deserve all the resources being squandered on preserving what is the minority, nuclear families...

Nobody is entitled to hand outs, not even,"poor little helpeless" "single mothers" If you don't want to be a "poor little helpeless" "single mother" then don't have kids if you can't provide for . :thumbsup:
This is just an example of what has become or is becoming the acceptable attitude , "No I have no accoutability for my actions. The government owes me anyway! If I pop out a kid that I can't take care of by god the "rich" SHOULD PAY for it! They owe me, I am entitled to it!" PUKE!
Not to mention that implying that anyone that is a single mother must be so stupid that they can't possibly make it witout the fed "helping" them is pathetic!
God forbid someone just work hard and earn what they want huh? Why do that when we can make them dependant on the federal government for food, shelter, health care, ect...gives liberals job security, and an excuse to take money from people that work their asses off and overcome all sorts of tough circumstances and re-distribute it to the "have nots". And of course it sures up the base, because people that ARE dependant on the government for handouts, will only vote for the politicians that are advocating giving them handouts! That's why I laugh my ass off when libs talk about poverty, the poor, the unfortunate, ect....they don't want any of those problems to go away! They don't want people to be able to take care of themselves! It's not in their political intrests! The democratic party is completley dependant on keeping people in those conditions! What garbage! Not the country I want for my kids! :D
I am also confused as to how "resources being squandered on preserving what is the minority, nuclear families", enlighten all of us please!! Do you understand "how" the federal government spends money, who it is TAKEN from, and who it is GIVEN to? Single mothers, that are "poor" (according to you "deserve" handouts" don't pay federal income taxes, but they sure as hell benefit from "nuclear families" that pay federal income taxes on their earned income. :thumbsup:

[rebgirl420]

Nobody is entitled to hand outs, not even,"poor little helpeless" "single mothers" If you don't want to be a "poor little helpeless" "single mother" then don't have kids if you can't provide for . :thumbsup:
This is just an example of what has become or is becoming the acceptable attitude , "No I have no accoutability for my actions. The government owes me anyway! If I pop out a kid that I can't take care of by god the "rich" SHOULD PAY for it! They owe me, I am entitled to it!" PUKE!
Not to mention that implying that anyone that is a single mother must be so stupid that they can't possibly make it witout the fed "helping" them is pathetic!
God forbid someone just work hard and earn what they want huh? Why do that when we can make them dependant on the federal government for food, shelter, health care, ect...gives liberals job security, and an excuse to take money from people that work their asses off and overcome all sorts of tough circumstances and re-distribute it to the "have nots". And of course it sures up the base, because people that ARE dependant on the government for handouts, will only vote for the politicians that are advocating giving them handouts! That's why I laugh my ass off when libs talk about poverty, the poor, the unfortunate, ect....they don't want any of those problems to go away! They don't want people to be able to take care of themselves! It's not in their political intrests! The democratic party is completley dependant on keeping people in those conditions! What garbage! Not the country I want for my kids! :D
I am also confused as to how "resources being squandered on preserving what is the minority, nuclear families", enlighten all of us please!! Do you understand "how" the federal government spends money, who it is TAKEN from, and who it is GIVEN to? Single mothers, that are "poor" (according to you "deserve" handouts" don't pay federal income taxes, but they sure as hell benefit from "nuclear families" that pay federal income taxes on their earned income. :thumbsup:

THANK YOU! Finally SOMEONE gets it!

[Hajpoj]

Wow you guys took that the wrong way. I'm trying to establish how the "sanctity of marriage" are never grounds to stand on when trying to suppress gay marriage.

The families that John McCain describe are very few compared to vast majority of Americans that have grown up in less than "standard" family arrangements, and society is still functioning fine because of it. It's preposterous for McCain to claim that protecting sanctity is important to society, when there is no evidence to support this.


ps. I'm a feminist and a womens studies major and no, the majority of these women that I'm describing are hard-working moms that have to deal with dead-beat dads. I'm not talking about those on welfare.

But lets go there: Poor mothers should starve while millions are wasted on a campaign(marriage) claiming something that is not? We "rich" already gave up our tax dollars, I'd rather see it feed people than wasted at this point...

[Breukelen advocaat]

What the heck? The institution of marriage today is a joke. Get out of the 1950s, the nuclear family no longer exists. The most common type of *families* in this world are struggling single mothers, who much better deserve all the resources being squandered on preserving what is the minority, nuclear families...
Matrilineal societies are the most backward in the world. If you want societies to go back to the stone age, that's your ticket. Most youth gangs are made up of children from exactly the type of homes that you are talking about.

What we should do is stop all government support and forced child-support payments to women and girls that breed children out of wedlock. If private institutions and charities want to help them, that's fine - but the taxpayers should not be the ones to foot the bill for their offspring.

Anthropologist Margaret Mead was in favor of permanent marriages, for couples that desire to have children. She also believed in pre-marriage education, formal agreements, and counseling - for the benefit of the children. I would support a law that only allows divorce after all children are in their upper teens.

Married people that are not interested in having children would be free to divorce as they please.

[Breukelen advocaat]

Wow you guys took that the wrong way. I'm trying to establish how the "sanctity of marriage" are never grounds to stand on when trying to suppress gay marriage.

The families that John McCain describe are very few compared to vast majority of Americans that have grown up in less than "standard" family arrangements, and society is still functioning fine because of it. It's preposterous for McCain to claim that protecting sanctity is important to society, when there is no evidence to support this.


ps. I'm a feminist and a womens studies major and no, the majority of these women that I'm describing are hard-working moms that have to deal with dead-beat dads. I'm not talking about those on welfare.

But lets go there: Poor mothers should starve while millions are wasted on a campaign(marriage) claiming something that is not? We "rich" already gave up our tax dollars, I'd rather see it feed people than wasted at this point...

First of all, it's no surprise that you are learning "feminist" theory in college. You are too young to remember when the overwhelming majority of children had a mother and a father in their homes, and divorces were a rare thing.

If a man and woman are not married, or have some kind of formal, legal agreement regarding children, why should the man have to pay for a child? There is such a thing as birth control and abortion. If a woman is not capable of supporting a child herself, those are the other choices.

If we MUST have divorces, then the father should get automatic custody of the children. The best way to solve the "dead beat dads" issue is to give them back their roles as provider and head of the household - so that it becomes integrated into our society again. Men should have rights along with responsiblities. Most fathers have very little of the former.

Just for the record, I don't care for the religious "sanctity" argument. It has nothing to do with religion - it's a question of logic and compassion.

[8182KSKUSH]

...[/quote]Wow you guys took that the wrong way. ...[/quote]
"The most common type of *families* in this world are struggling single mothers, who much better deserve all the resources being squandered on preserving what is the minority, nuclear families... "

Really? Because I quoted you ver batum? Where were you talking about gay marriage? I missed it.:wtf:

...[/quote]I'm trying to establish how the "sanctity of marriage" are never grounds to stand on when trying to suppress gay marriage....[/quote]
Why not? I believe that comes down to "subjective" or philosophical views, are you saying that people that believe in the sanctity of marriage and are opposed to gay marriage can't express or advocate their position because you say so? And why no mention of gay marriage in the previous post if that's what you "meant" Here are your exact words again:
"The most common type of *families* in this world are struggling single mothers, who much better deserve all the resources being squandered on preserving what is the minority, nuclear families... "

...[/quote]The families that John McCain describe are very few ...[/quote]

Really? Is that an opinion, or fact? What is very few? Less than 10%, or less than 50%. Last I checked the majority rules here, if they are such a small minority, then how are they getting their intrests represented in our government? O, I forgot, it's because there is a vast right wing conspiracy to hunt poor people for sport from black helicopters! Silly me.

...[/quote]compared to vast majority of Americans that have grown up in less than "standard" family arrangements, and society is still functioning fine because of it. It's preposterous for McCain to claim that protecting sanctity is important to society, when there is no evidence to support this....[/quote]

No evidence huh? How do you sustain a population without heterosexual procreation? I am so confused? I would also suggest to you that there is plenty of evidence. I think it would be a question of whether or not you would even acknowledge it.


...[/quote]ps. I'm a feminist and a womens studies major and no, the majority of these women that I'm describing are hard-working moms that have to deal with dead-beat dads. I'm not talking about those on welfare....[/quote]

What do you call who much better deserve all the resources, I assume that the "resources" are liberal code for government handouts and redistribution of wealth. If it's not then what are you talking about?:wtf:

Yeah it's all the "dead beat dads fault", the women that choose to concieve children with men like this have no accountability at all they are completely innocent victims huh? And not only that, I should have to give them the money that I earn, lord knows they are more entitled to it, since they can fuck and have kids with no hope of supporting them. Unless you are talking about some super natural occurence when some women becomes pregnant, then I don't feel sorry for any of them. Like I said, don't make babies if you cannot afford to provide for them, and don't expect me or anyone else to provide for you. I work for my family, not yours. If people want to be generous and help great! If some turd in government wants to take my money just because they "think" it's the right thing to do then fuck ya!:D

"The most common type of *families* in this world are struggling single mothers, who much better deserve all the resources being squandered on preserving what is the minority, nuclear families... "

News to me!!!! Single mothers make up the majority of American households!!! You heard hear first! If we are just going to make stuff up then I say, vote McCain, he has a goose that shits gold eggs!!! We'll be the richest nation ever!!!!:D
"The most common type of *families* in this world are struggling single mothers, who much better deserve all the resources being squandered on preserving what is the minority, nuclear families... "

Those are your exact words, again, ver batum. Just because you are "hard working" does not mean that you are struggling. Most of the people I know that are "struggling" are so because of their own personal choices, not because of anything that the government did to them. Most people struggle at some point in their lives, the people that perservere are the ones that bust their asses, the ones that don't, look for handouts.

...[/quote]But lets go there: Poor mothers should starve while millions are wasted on a campaign(marriage) claiming something that is not? We "rich" already gave up our tax dollars, I'd rather see it feed people than wasted at this point...[/quote]

So now there is an epidemic of "poor starving single mothers", and the federal government is spending money on "campaigning for marriage"? I would love to see you support either of those claims with facts, not opinions. How many poor single mothers died due to starvation last year? How many millons of dollars did the government spend "campaigning for marriage"? I won't hold my breath waiting for you to support either of those to claims.
"It's preposterous " is about right.:toilet_claw:

Hey rebgirl, if she's a feminist what's that make you?:D

[Hajpoj]

woops, didn't realize I posted and was still editing. GDP Hash(fire!!) + kush oil on top of a bowl of HC Snowcap. ooohm

[boaz]

Exactly, its no big deal.

And i'm sorry if you are indeed really color blind. And i'm also sorry if you choose to skip my posts.

Hope theres no hard feelings. Especially because I enjoy reading your posts. Your political stances are pretty much the same as mine.

(That posts for you :) )

I love this forum . . . i know thats nothing profound or anything, but . . . :jointsmile:

[yokinazu]

there is no way in hell that we should comletly do away with th welfare system. BUT it does absolutly need a makeover. i to am sick of the deadbeats that sit at home an spit out kids while collecting the money i put into the system. i also just dont get how someone can get a tax return that is more than they paid into taxes.

when i was first married (imnow happly divorced) and had an infant daughter my wife and i had to go on welfare. this lasted approximatly 1 year. now i have a decent job and support my daughter. my parents were the same, used the welfare system till they could get on their feet. it can work. but the problem is it is way to easy to abuse the system. it is also way to easy to get caught in the loop. when me and my wife applied it was because she has severe asthma and we couldnt afford the meds, she has about 15 scrips to keep it under conrol. but they wouldnot just give medical assistance, it was either full "benifits" or nothing. then if i had not been workin under the table and savin most o the money when i did get back to work the benefits were cut off. that ment 3 months with no insurance. my wife could have died if not for us setting back the money we did. oh and if you dont think asthma can kill, her father saved her life once when she completly stopped breathing. during her pregnancy for 6 months we were at the hospital every day.

so the welfare system can and does work for some but those who abuse it are the ones that give it a bad rep.

[Rusty Trichome]

so the welfare system can and does work for some but those who abuse it are the ones that give it a bad rep.
Would help if we didn't extend the benefits to those here illegally. Come here illegally, run out of resources, go back home. I'd pay the taxes required to ship 'em back.

[slavetopot]

Why do you support candidates that will continue or even worsen the drug wars? I am really surprised at people willing to support the very ones that are out to get you. I guess I just donâ??t get it.
:eek:

[Rusty Trichome]

Personally, cannabis is but one of the many issues I look at. Realistically, I care for our country, the people in it, and the values that helped found this country. And I vote accordingly.
But yes, would love to be able to change the entire political infrastructure's mind on the matter.:jointsmile:

[dragonrider]

Why do you support candidates that will continue or even worsen the drug wars? I am really surprised at people willing to support the very ones that are out to get you. I guess I just donâ??t get it.
:eek:

I don't like the so called "war on drugs," and it's an important issue --- just probably not in my top ten most important issues for the president.

[Beefer86]

Im tired of people dancing on the dole when they are capable of bettering themselves.

Giving out Welfare is like Darwin feeding the dodo.

[Beefer86]

Why do you support candidates that will continue or even worsen the drug wars? I am really surprised at people willing to support the very ones that are out to get you. I guess I just donâ??t get it.
:eek:

Because as a white American I find that the drug war is in the backburner of my priorities for a president. Because voting Barack Hussein Obama will do nothing to aleviate the drug war.

BECAUSE DECRIMINALIZATION OF CANNABIS IS PENTIARY AT BEST IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF LIFE. Get it now?

[8182KSKUSH]

Because as a white American I find that the drug war is in the backburner of my priorities for a president. Because voting Barack Hussein Obama will do nothing to aleviate the drug war.

BECAUSE DECRIMINALIZATION OF CANNABIS IS PENTIARY AT BEST IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF LIFE. Get it now?


Yeah apparently not to everyone! That would be sad if that was absolutley the only thing you had any focus on in your life and that you made it the most important thing when considering electing a president.:wtf: If you do that, you might as well stop voting, you will be in for a life of dissapointment!:jointsmile:
You are better off concentrating all those energies locally and doing what you can locally to accomodate your marijuana passions.

Read the link in my siggie, where a person stands on "marijuana" is not even a consideration for Ronnie. He has 3 little girls and many many friends, he is voting as was said before, in the intrests of himself and his loved ones, and the good of the country. If a candidate is "sympathetic" to marijuana AND holds political positions that are mostly consistent with his own, that's who he will vote for, not some turd socialist that said somethin nice about marijuana. Even if Osama flat out said that it would be his mission to decriminalize, I doubt he would vote for him because that would do far more harm to our society than the war on drugs could ever do. It's called perspective.:thumbsup:

[Beefer86]

Why do you support candidates that will continue or even worsen the drug wars? I am really surprised at people willing to support the very ones that are out to get you. I guess I just donâ??t get it.
:eek:

Because as an American I find that the drug war is in the backburner of my priorities for a president. Because voting Barack Hussein Obama or Cunton will do nothing to aleviate the drug war.

Because the decriminalization of any drug should be pentiary at best when electing a president. This is a cannabis site so of course most here will only vote on who they think will get weed legalized. Do you get it now?

[Beefer86]

Yeah apparently not to everyone! That would be sad if that was absolutley the only thing you had any focus on in your life and that you made it the most important thing when considering electing a president.:wtf: If you do that, you might as well stop voting, you will be in for a life of dissapointment!:jointsmile:
You are better off concentrating all those energies locally and doing what you can locally to accomodate your marijuana passions.


Yeah if that was the only deciding factor that someone chose, think of how dangerous as a whole that would be. Well said Kush!

[dragonrider]

Why do you support candidates that will continue or even worsen the drug wars? I am really surprised at people willing to support the very ones that are out to get you. I guess I just donâ??t get it.
:eek:


Because as a white American I find that the drug war is in the backburner of my priorities for a president. Because voting Barack Hussein Obama will do nothing to aleviate the drug war.

BECAUSE DECRIMINALIZATION OF CANNABIS IS PENTIARY AT BEST IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF LIFE. Get it now?


Yeah apparently not to everyone! That would be sad if that was absolutley the only thing you had any focus on in your life and that you made it the most important thing when considering electing a president.:wtf: If you do that, you might as well stop voting, you will be in for a life of dissapointment!:jointsmile:
You are better off concentrating all those energies locally and doing what you can locally to accomodate your marijuana passions.

It may be that Slavetopot is a slave to pot. Decriminlization is an issue that may be important to some people, but even on this site, I'm surprised at how many people add so much importance to it in relation to other issues.

If I had a chance to ask the candidates questions, it would probably go something like this:

What about the war?
What about the economy?
What about the environment?
What about the jobs?
What about our national security?
What about nuclear proliferation?
Waht about our allies and foregin policy and the terrorits?
What about the budget deficit and the debt?
What about the cost of healthcare?
Waht about about the stem cells?
What about the borders?
What about the trade deficit?
What about the political corruption?
What about education?
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Oh, yeah, almost forgot! What about the weed?

[Beefer86]

It may be that Slavetopot is a slave to pot. Decriminlization is an issue that may be important to some people, but even on this site, I'm surprised at how many people add so much importance to it in relation to other issues.

If I had a chance to ask the candidates questions, it would probably go something like this:

What about the war?
What about the economy?
What about the environment?
What about the jobs?
What about our national security?
What about nuclear proliferation?
Waht about our allies and foregin policy and the terrorits?
What about the budget deficit and the debt?
What about the cost of healthcare?
Waht about about the stem cells?
What about the borders?
What about the trade deficit?
What about the political corruption?
What about education?
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Oh, yeah, almost forgot! What about the weed?



hahahahaha well put!

[8182KSKUSH]

It may be that Slavetopot is a slave to pot. Decriminlization is an issue that may be important to some people, but even on this site, I'm surprised at how many people add so much importance to it in relation to other issues.

If I had a chance to ask the candidates questions, it would probably go something like this:

What about the war?
What about the economy?
What about the environment?
What about the jobs?
What about our national security?
What about nuclear proliferation?
Waht about our allies and foregin policy and the terrorits?
What about the budget deficit and the debt?
What about the cost of healthcare?
Waht about about the stem cells?
What about the borders?
What about the trade deficit?
What about the political corruption?
What about education?
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Blah...
Oh, yeah, almost forgot! What about the weed?

somewhere, that there are rational sane liberals, well almost.;)
Being a fanatic myself though I know the truth!;)

If you aren't careful they are going to ban you from being a democrat, at least here on this forum!
I don't agree with alot of your political views at all, but I really admire how you bring conversation and in a sane rational manner, it's always a breath of fresh air to read your posts! I question how in touch with REALITY our community appears to be to the outside observer?
Our base in this community seems to be made up of really far out extremists, I support this with the fact that they all seem to think they are majority and are shocked when they hear any other kind of political opinion on these forums. Like, "oh my god!" "he's part of the neocon nazi douchebag conspiracy to get me seeds that poison small furry creatures" That so far to date, have done zilch advocating politically for marijuana, and have in fact set it back. Extremist need to mature, and come check back in with reality, figure out how to accept and work with the more mainstream people that are obviously apart of this community and will advocate for marijuana on both sides of the popular political spectrum. Once everyone realizes that you need to participate within the system as opposed to it, then we will see real change. Until then a very few will work for that while an apparently large enough numbers of others in this community will continue to be turds, thus continuing to reinforce false stereo types and making others ashamed and less creditable, thus continuing the tradition of doing nothing! 60 years and counting!:thumbsup:
For everyone person that may be a positive example of advocacy, there are 10 that are piss poor examples, at least that has been my first hand experience personally. :(
I think that's apparent in these forums as well.

[slavetopot]

Bush comes into office with the economy in fantastic shape, fucks that all up,Bush comes into office with over 5 billion dollars in the black, now we are $7,354,811,136,104.77 in the hole

The RepuGlican party is the party of Enron, career corporate criminals like Lay and skilling, government parasites like Frist that spend 40 years working for the government, sleazy televangelists that scam their congregations out of their hard-earned money like Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed/Weed and Jerry Falwell, hysterical screeching shrews like Phyllis Schafly and Anne bin Coulter, phony perverts like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh that pretend to be working class, Catholic priests that abuse little children, and Saudi Arabian sheiks.

Im surrounded by republicans, Its SOOO hard to keep a cool head when ANYTHING political comes up because they all re-gergitate the talking points they hear on fox noise and when challenged on the standard stupidness of those points they just start yelling, demonstrating that they really have very few points to stand on if any. My favorite thing these days is this animal like hatred for Hillary. I asked a reublican friend to actually tell me why she is so horrible (Just for the record I am voting for Obama cuz I think hillary has ventured too far to the right for me trying to look tough) but anyway I asked why and he couldn't give me a straight answer. I KNOW the answer ...it's because she didn't "know her place" when she was 1st lady and that drives the Jesus Freaks crazy and the Jesus Freaks drive the GOP so there ya go


A working person voting for a Republican is like a Chicken voting for Kentucky Fried Chicken as their favorite eatery!

[Beefer86]

Bush comes into office with the economy in fantastic shape, fucks that all up,Bush comes into office with over 5 billion dollars in the black, now we are $7,354,811,136,104.77 in the hole

The RepuGlican party is the party of Enron, career corporate criminals like Lay and skilling, government parasites like Frist that spend 40 years working for the government, sleazy televangelists that scam their congregations out of their hard-earned money like Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed/Weed and Jerry Falwell, hysterical screeching shrews like Phyllis Schafly and Anne bin Coulter, phony perverts like Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh that pretend to be working class, Catholic priests that abuse little children, and Saudi Arabian sheiks.

Im surrounded by republicans, Its SOOO hard to keep a cool head when ANYTHING political comes up because they all re-gergitate the talking points they hear on fox noise and when challenged on the standard stupidness of those points they just start yelling, demonstrating that they really have very few points to stand on if any. My favorite thing these days is this animal like hatred for Hillary. I asked a reublican friend to actually tell me why she is so horrible (Just for the record I am voting for Obama cuz I think hillary has ventured too far to the right for me trying to look tough) but anyway I asked why and he couldn't give me a straight answer. I KNOW the answer ...it's because she didn't "know her place" when she was 1st lady and that drives the Jesus Freaks crazy and the Jesus Freaks drive the GOP so there ya go


A working person voting for a Republican is like a Chicken voting for Kentucky Fried Chicken as their favorite eatery!

4 democrats have been elected since the 60's movement. None has done anything to ease our weedsmoking pleasure.

The reason for the surplus is the increased overall taxes of B. Clinton machine. The taxes I pay so that Obama may use it as hand outs if he were to be elected, just like Clinton did.

And those republicans you are talking about are slandering McCain and hoping for Huckabee. McCain is divorced and that doesnt sit well with the far right christian whackos youve described. Im not telling you who to vote for, but voting for someone solely because they may claim to legalize weed should be punishable by death.

[boaz]

Why do you support candidates that will continue or even worsen the drug wars? I am really surprised at people willing to support the very ones that are out to get you. I guess I just donâ??t get it.
:eek:

That is a good question. aside from the whole weed thing i agree with pretty much everything McCain stands for, no torture, fight a war to win or get the hell out and i even agree with him and 43 about the border, and i like that fact that he seems to be gunning for the lobbyist that control DC-land and this really has them peeing their panties. :D

but most of all McCain promised not to leave any of the terrorist hiding in the weeds . . . i take him at his word on that.

[thcbongman]

4 democrats have been elected since the 60's movement. None has done anything to ease our weedsmoking pleasure.

The reason for the surplus is the increased overall taxes of B. Clinton machine. The taxes I pay so that Obama may use it as hand outs if he were to be elected, just like Clinton did.

And those republicans you are talking about are slandering McCain and hoping for Huckabee. McCain is divorced and that doesnt sit well with the far right christian whackos youve described. Im not telling you who to vote for, but voting for someone solely because they may claim to legalize weed should be punishable by death.

Actually Jimmy Carter was pretty damn close. If it wasn't for his aid with the coke scandal, marijuana would've been decriminalized to a degree. Then Jimmy lost, and well Reagan launched that hardcore anti-drug campaign.

"Penalties against drug use should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself. Nowhere is this more clear that in the laws against the possession of marijuana in private for personal use."

Jimmy Carter to Congress, 8/2/77."

It's easy to say that Obama would use "handouts." Handouts is such a dumb thing to refer to such a program. The welfare system is pretty corrupt, but those who oppose it forget who's in place for. I doto being productive in society. It's for those that are unable to work, deteriorating health conditions and such. Imagine getting a long-term illness, that causes you to not be able to work. Should we let the person die because "I don't want to give a handout." When you refer to such programs, you don't have a firm grasp of what the purpose of this program is for. It doesn't mean to raise taxes, but to call for more efficient, and stringent standards to get these "handouts.' There is a huge amount of fraud, abuse and waste going on in local, state, and federal levels, but instead of complaining about corruption, you imply the system should be dealt away. America is no longer 1789, lots of land and resources yet to be found. Now there are limits, and we must learn to live within our means in regards to everything. America income taxation rate is the same as countries in Europe and we get half the services they do. It's because of inefficiency and corruption of this government. It's particularly dreadful. When I refer to corruption, I refer to fraud, waste, and abuse of funding.

But whos to say that weed isn't a singular issue with some people. People want to live free and in peace, without worrying about destroying their lives just because of a little dope. It could cause great financial, and social implications. To some it would be important, as someone with a serious health ailment would have health care as a priority. Issues like this don't come up from thin air, people's life experiences surround them. It's a bit harsh to announce that voting for someone solely for legalizing weed should be punished by death.

[slavetopot]

Legalizing marijuana is not the only reason I dislike the GOP, I will attempt to give you a few of the reasons now.
The 28 GOP Senators that voted to eliminate the US minimum wage. In a vote that showed just how contemptuous many republicansâ?? have become of poor and working class Americans, the following Senators (who â??earnâ?� $165,200 per year plus generous benefits) voted to eliminate the federal minimum wage on January 24, 2007:
What about Alberto Gonzales? In the history to the United States, no attorney general has disgraced the office more spectacularly than Alberto Gonzales. Rather than serving the interests of one man: George BUSH. For egregious violations of constitutional and statutory laws, for attempting to remake the justice department into an arm of the RNC and for brazenly perjuring himself when called before congress to answer for these crimes, Gonzales should be indicted, tired, convicted and imprisoned.



Owing his election as Democratic leader to a time when the Dems were in the minority and it just didn't matter that much, the "leadership" of Harry Reid has proved nothing short of disastrous for those hoping to reverse the excesses of the Bush regime. This has been glaringly illustrated by the recent controversy over telecom amnesty. In brief, the Bush regime wants to indemnify the telecom companies for their complicity in illegal spying on American citizens. As expected, Senate Republicans are enthusiastic about rubber-stamping this amnesty -- without even knowing the full extent of the abuses. Oddly, Senator Reid (along with Intelligence Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller,D-WV) also seem eager to embrace this amnesty. Luckily, principled senators like Dodd and Feingold are resisting this shameful sell-out to powerful corporate interests.


I got a whole lot more examples of why I don't support the GOP. When Bush sends his own daughters to the army and they spend some time in the mid-east in a tent, than maybe I will listen to him. Mean time he is a bad leader.

[dragonrider]

I take it back, Slavetopot. You are not just a slave to pot. I don't agree with everything you said, but obviously you've thought more about the election than just asking, "who's goonna legalize weed?"

[boaz]

... For egregious violations of constitutional and statutory laws, for attempting to remake the justice department into an arm of the RNC and for brazenly perjuring himself when called before congress to answer for these crimes, Gonzales should be indicted, tired, convicted and imprisoned.


I completely agree. they might also want to round up carl and george while their at it. From what I understand, nearly all Presidents weed out the judicial section and plant their own new crop at the beginning of their term, but what happened here, late in the term, is new and exploits one of the many mechanisms of the "Patriot Act". It is a disgrace, and as you mentioned, one of the many reasons to distrust the GOP and one of the many many reasons that I am an independent.

The last several presidents have had no respect for the Constitution of the United States. I am hopeful McCain will have a bit more since he did go to combat to defend it.

As far as Cannabis laws go, I am happy with each State setting their own standards that work for them. Some have called this the stealth revolution thinking that the real agendy is the breaking down of all federal law, but I disagree. There is certainly a place for the federal gov't in building interstate highways and keeping our collective air and water clean, but the size and scope of it need to be pruned back significantly.

let freedom grow

[melodious fellow]

Wouldn't it be great if politicians knew what the Federal Governments jobs are and also was cool with cannabis plants for all?

The Federal Governments jobs are to provide for the national defense, conduct foreign relations, and to print money. That is all. No free handout programs, no war on drugs spending, no spying on citizens CIA spending, etc. States can do that bullshit if they want.

O wait, those are Ron Paul's views :) :rastasmoke::D

[dejayou30]

I only read half the first page of the thread, so I have no idea where this comment will land in the discussion of things, but I thought this was funny the other night.

A couple weeks ago I was watching CNN and supposedly someone asked John McCain about what he thinks about the current state of the economy and all he said was [to the effect of:] "I don't know much about the economy's current situation. I'm going to have to read up on what's going on." This was from Wolf or whatever his name is, not a video, so the credibility is in question.

CNN also made a point to show that in an exit poll most of the people that said their #1 issue was the economy voted for McCain.

I am not well informed on McCain though, I just thought it was weird if he really did say that.

Oh and for the record, I am backing Obama. I think the GOP overall is just too sedentary in their social and world views in a time when we need progression. Plus, I would like to see someone from a minority group be president.

[medicinal]

I'm sorry, but a vote for McCain is a Vote for George Bush's policies, Enough said.

[melodious fellow]

I'm sorry, but a vote for McCain is a Vote for George Bush's policies, Enough said.

As an American, there is much more truth in that statement than I am comfortable with.

[Resist Global Govt]

Just because he doesn't look like he has a chance is no excuse to vote for another candidate, the man has a PERFECT voting record as a congressman, he is not liked by the Repubs or Demos because he has never sold out to foreign interests and lobby groups like the others have, ANY person other than Ron Paul is on the same team, all the other choices are NWO shills and do what their handlers tell them, in reality - Ron Paul doesn't have a snow balls chance in hades but he is worth backing BECAUSE he is waking people up to issues that matter, like the Federal Reserve and the fiat currency they make out of thin air with no gold backing it, the ever- increasing police state, loss of liberty with the patriot act, ending the war on "synthetic" terror that the Govt. creates to keep the people in fear and keep making draconian laws to enslave us, Ron Paul is a rarity - a person like him only comes along about every 100 years, oh yeah - marijuana's ONLY hope of becoming decriminalized lies in his hands, and decriminalization will be the stepping stone to total legalization

[Psycho4Bud]

I'm sorry, but a vote for McCain is a Vote for George Bush's policies, Enough said.

Really? So Bush is in favor of shutting down Club Gitmo and doing away with ALL torture?

Have a good one!:s4:

[melodious fellow]

Just because he doesn't look like he has a chance is no excuse to vote for another candidate, the man has a PERFECT voting record as a congressman, he is not liked by the Repubs or Demos because he has never sold out to foreign interests and lobby groups like the others have, ANY person other than Ron Paul is on the same team, all the other choices are NWO shills and do what their handlers tell them, in reality - Ron Paul doesn't have a snow balls chance in hades but he is worth backing BECAUSE he is waking people up to issues that matter, like the Federal Reserve and the fiat currency they make out of thin air with no gold backing it, the ever- increasing police state, loss of liberty with the patriot act, ending the war on "synthetic" terror that the Govt. creates to keep the people in fear and keep making draconian laws to enslave us, Ron Paul is a rarity - a person like him only comes along about every 100 years, oh yeah - marijuana's ONLY hope of becoming decriminalized lies in his hands, and decriminalization will be the stepping stone to total legalization

Good post brother! At first, I did not read your title, and about had a heart attack (literally) thinking you were talking about McCain. Woah lol

[pisshead]

Just because he doesn't look like he has a chance is no excuse to vote for another candidate, the man has a PERFECT voting record as a congressman, he is not liked by the Repubs or Demos because he has never sold out to foreign interests and lobby groups like the others have, ANY person other than Ron Paul is on the same team, all the other choices are NWO shills and do what their handlers tell them, in reality - Ron Paul doesn't have a snow balls chance in hades but he is worth backing BECAUSE he is waking people up to issues that matter, like the Federal Reserve and the fiat currency they make out of thin air with no gold backing it, the ever- increasing police state, loss of liberty with the patriot act, ending the war on "synthetic" terror that the Govt. creates to keep the people in fear and keep making draconian laws to enslave us, Ron Paul is a rarity - a person like him only comes along about every 100 years, oh yeah - marijuana's ONLY hope of becoming decriminalized lies in his hands, and decriminalization will be the stepping stone to total legalization

exactly, ron paul threatens the new world order globalist banking police military industrial complex establishment... we've strayed so far from the constitution and for such a long time - that people actually think a government run by the constitution is crazy.

that's fine, we're going to get what we deserve, and we seem to be begging for a dictatorship.

[boaz]

Wouldn't it be great if politicians knew what the Federal Governments jobs are and also was cool with cannabis plants for all?

The Federal Governments jobs are to provide for the national defense, conduct foreign relations, and to print money. That is all. No free handout programs, no war on drugs spending, no spying on citizens CIA spending, etc. States can do that bullshit if they want.

O wait, those are Ron Paul's views :) :rastasmoke::D

:jointsmile: . yeah, thats kinda how i see it, too. the federal gov't is one giant weed that needs to be pruned. I would start with the useless water leaves like the dea, ondcp, atf, etc. the fbi needs to be re-focused to the light of finding bad guys and pruned back from playing politics. but, thats just how i see it. btw, i agree with the other posts about Ron Paul, too. didn't he get like 25% or better in some of the Western States? :smokin: McCain is the nominee but the Primary Season goes on!! Bring on Tejas! :rasta: