SERIOUSLY, is cannabis addictive or not?

[benvortec]

I've recently been arguing the fact that it is not addictive. I have read countless threads debating this. Is there really any conclusive evidence one way or the other? Thanks and Peace :hippy:

[Jay Matix]

its not physically addictive like cigarettes but is extremely mentally addictive...

[jasher]

it's not notably physically addictive like many drugs.

however, like chocolate, or anything good, it can be so enjoyable that you want to relive the experience, hence "psychological addiction." you can be an addict to anything, and MJ is addicting in the same way that chocolate is.

[psteve]

No.
Cannabis is NOT addictive.
In fact, I used pot to quit cigarettes, so it's anti-addictive.

[psteve]

Here's a clue.
If you go to the emergency room at your local hospital, and you tell them you are addicted to heroin or cocaine, they will refer you to rehab.
If you walk into the same ER, and say that you're addicted to cannabis or chocolate, they will refer you to a psychiatrist.

[r0k]

I've recently been arguing the fact that it is not addictive. I have read countless threads debating this. Is there really any conclusive evidence one way or the other? Thanks and Peace :hippy:

Marijuana has no addictive chemicals in it, so physically, no it's not. However, just like anything with any aesthetic value whatsoever, you can become psychologically addicted to it. You can become addicted to video games, the computer, pot, etc., but that's nothing to do with the herb, it's all to do with YOU. :thumbsup:

On the flip side, one could argue that since smoking marijuana is SO FUN, it has psychologically addictive qualities.. As does music, and most everything else.. :hippy:

[denial102]

Research suggests in selected people cannabis can be extremely mentally addictive, so much so it can occasionally be confused with a physical addiction and withdrawal.

This is an extreme minority of people. Cannabis, for the most part, should be considered a non addictive drug!


Peace,
Denial

[psteve]

Research suggests in selected people cannabis can be extremely mentally addictive, so much so it can occasionally be confused with a physical addiction and withdrawal.
BS!
I defy you to present any such research.
It simply doesn't exist.

[pass_the_dubbie]

It all depends on your own mentality(is that how you spell it?), I could honestly say im not addicted, i've only really seen one person flip out over weed.
*puts feet up, lights pipe*
Well I was smoking some nice green at a "friends" and in comes this girl, im not sure if she was a relative of my "friend" but anyway..She storms about, paces back and fourth.
"I need some dope now!"
She was pissed off, she already owed my good friend money, clearly she was having supply problems as I doubt she would have come back if she knew where to go...this making sense? Anyway, I was just a little amazed at how somebody could go so crazy over a little bit of smoke...it wasnt even gonna be a drastic amount....
*empties bowl out*
well...
*walks off* :D

[psteve]

It all depends on your own mentality(is that how you spell it?), I could honestly say im not addicted, i've only really seen one person flip out over weed.
*puts feet up, lights pipe*
Well I was smoking some nice green at a "friends" and in comes this girl, im not sure if she was a relative of my "friend" but anyway..She storms about, paces back and fourth.
"I need some dope now!"
She was pissed off, she already owed my good friend money, clearly she was having supply problems as I doubt she would have come back if she knew where to go...this making sense? Anyway, I was just a little amazed at how somebody could go so crazy over a little bit of smoke...it wasnt even gonna be a drastic amount....
*empties bowl out*
well...
*walks off* :D
She's not an addict, just crazy.

[denial102]

She's not an addict, just crazy.


It all depends on your own mentality(is that how you spell it?), I could honestly say im not addicted, i've only really seen one person flip out over weed.
*puts feet up, lights pipe*
Well I was smoking some nice green at a "friends" and in comes this girl, im not sure if she was a relative of my "friend" but anyway..She storms about, paces back and fourth.
"I need some dope now!"
She was pissed off, she already owed my good friend money, clearly she was having supply problems as I doubt she would have come back if she knew where to go...this making sense? Anyway, I was just a little amazed at how somebody could go so crazy over a little bit of smoke...it wasnt even gonna be a drastic amount....
*empties bowl out*
well...
*walks off* :D

It's strictly dependant on each persons genetics. I happen to know numerous people who have been psychologically affected.

Pass_the_dubbie: well it's not bullshit man, it's a fact. It's a psychoactive drug.

A psychoactive drug or psychotropic substance is a chemical substance that acts primarily upon the central nervous system where it alters brain function, resulting in temporary changes in perception, mood, consciousness and behavior.

Cannabis is no exception to the rule of Euphoria i.e. give the brain Euphoria and take it away, see how it reacts. Of course it has an effect, it's a drug for fuck sake. I am pro-cannabis, and although I don't feel any effects pandered by the FDA, DEA or republican government - I do feel a withdrawal, something that is specific to my immune system, neurology and genetics. I somewhat take offence at being told what I am saying is bullshit having had a great deal of experience with this drug, and having many physical complaints at which it cures - some of which are mental by the way.

I will say again in some people extreme mental addiction may occur, a.k.a. dependance, a.k.a. mental changes and syndrome like effects manifest and patients can become angry, volatile, upset, depressed, anxious, and many MANY more.

Again, in SOME PEOPLE. :-) It's not a pop at cannabis, I am in love with the drug, please though don't mistake your love with the drug with physical scientific evidence about such psychoactive drugs. Having briefly spoken to a world medical expert on Cannabis I can tell you this, upto or in excess of 1000 differing components exist within cannabis - not just THC.

In peace I would say it's not BS at all, and in peace I would say ignorance is no replacement for your awareness of self and any scientific data that can help prove your awareness and experiences are founded. In this case the definition of psychoactive explains many changes in the mind occur, some of which are indeed associated with addiction. Dopamine for instance.

Psychoactive drug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoactive_drug)


Peace 2 u all, and smoke up :rastasmoke:
Denial

[psteve]

Again, everything you described is not research.
It is just talk.
According to the DSM4 there is no such thing as cannabis addiction. Period.
Some people can form psychological addictions to ANYTHING. It has nothing to do with cannabis. It's a psychiatric disorder.

[psteve]

Oops. Let me rephrase that...
It's a psychiatric personality disorder.
The very idea that a substance can be 'psychologically addictive' is quite simply, wrong.
Psychological 'addiction' is always to a behavior, not to a substance.

[denial102]

psteve, very true, you make a good point about addiction being a mental behaviour rather than a direct response from the drug.

As pointed out by yourself, it is a fairly indirect response, as such if behaviourisms are addictive & habbit forming you can concede to the fact that psychoactive substances act as triggers - such triggers which can lead to a psychological addiction as a behavioural response which is in fact rooted in psychology rather than the drug itself. Peoples neuro-chemistry differs, and that is why I said some people. What I should have probably said is a minority. These cases do exist however, and I can provide whitepapers and research at some point if anyone would like :)

It was a mistake to use the words psychologically addictive, as it compounded the confusion further. What I meant was "mentally addictive" which by medical definition is a psychological as well as physical (chemical) process. It seems we are caught on definition here and the differentiation between mental addiction and physical addiction seems almost meaningless.

In fact, mental addiction is a very real thing, and there are likely psychological reasons for that in any case. Upon definition it can be seen discredable but in reality cases exist and will continue to exist.

Research does suggest though that personality disorders create a likelyhood of what I refered to as both "mental addiction" and "psychological addiction". Although the two should not be confused, I would argue they are causality and effect and there has not been enough research to determine exactly how they interact yet. Just that evidence suggests mental addiction is possible - if not by definition - by causality. The one thing that is clear. These cases are rare, but not rare enough to be outcast and ignored.

Peace,
Denial

[psteve]

psychoactive substances act as triggers
So do flashing lights. ANYTHING can trigger a behavioral response.
By that logic, everything, even doorknobs are addictive.
as are radio, traffic signals, stairways, open spaces, hot dogs, dancing, exercise of any kind, ringing bells, sitting, newspaper, string, cardboard... I can't think of anything that couldn't trigger a psychological response in SOMEONE.

[denial102]

ANYTHING can trigger a behavioral response.
By that logic, doorknobs are addictive.

If there is a measurable chemical response in your brain, yes. However it would be a mistake to consider it to be isolated to solely non chemical reactions. Many substances can be mentally addictive, such as food, for instance.

[bro777]

hey all,
you know from experience,addiction is really all in the mind,and habits.
i was and still am cross addicted to all sorts of things,food sex,money almost anything you could smoke sniff,you name it
but the my truth i'm finding is your "habits" determine your lifestyle.
as of now i'm recreating my life.i smoke cannabis still although any "need" is gone
and i totally removed myself from my old lifestyle/friends/city
and believe me they can be more of chains than any substance.
i hop this helped you in some small way.
:jointsmile:

[psteve]

Many substances can be mentally addictive, such as food, for instance.
Wrong again. Foods are not addictive, unless they contain an addictive substance.
You can become psychologically addicted to eating popcorn, but NOT to popcorn itself.

[denial102]

Wrong again. Foods are not addictive, unless they contain an addictive substance.
You can become psychologically addicted to eating popcorn, but NOT to popcorn itself.

If that is 100% true, then maybe you could define mental addiction for us all! (as after all that seems to be the fundamental reason why you disagree with my initial assessment that extreme mental addiction can occur in a minority of cannabis users)

Peace,
Denial

[THClord]

I'd say the mental addictedness wears off after a couple days.
So, NO it's not addictive.


If you go on a break, once you're past the one week point you can go as far as you want even if people around you are smoking every day.

[birdgirl73]

My thinking on this has changed pretty significantly since I have had my pharmacology and neuro-psychopathology classes this year and last in med school. I've also heard several really world-class level physicians address this subject, one of them our dean at Southwestern, who's a Nobel Laureate for his groundbreaking g-protein research, which relates quite closely to cannabinoid receptors.

According to what they're teaching today in allopathic (regular M.D. training programs as opposed to osteopathic) medical schools, the cannabinoid, opiate and even nicotine receptor systems are very very closely intertwined in matters of pain, reward, and addiction. Those various drugs/substances act initially through their own receptors, but they eventually trigger a generalized reward system in the brain that can also be triggered by other drugs. So even if, in concept, cannabis isn't physically addictive, it can, in the right brain chemistry--most likely a brain that is genetically susceptible to addiction in the first place--trigger an addictive response. That's not behavioral, either. It's those opiate-cannabinoid-nicotine receptors and their reward system/response working together and becoming systemically responsive to the other substances. I believe this is why some people really do develop a dependency on cannabis, which I've read hundreds of examples here about. There are always plenty of "No, no way"-sayers on this subject, but the people who experience this are very definitely in the grips of something more than psychological dependence. Any one with a propensity for addiction can get addicted to anything, whether it has withdrawal-type dependence or not. Food. Shopping. Gambling. Opiates. Weed. Alcohol. They're those folks who're destined to get hooked to something no matter what. This is why, for them specifically, they truly are addicted, often to multiple substances, and why, for folks who fall into this category, cannabis easily can be a gateway drug. Argue all you want, but for some people it is addictive and it does lead to other types of drugs because of that response linkage to the other receptors. In these people, there is also fairly marked physical withdrawal when they discontinue cannabis after heavy and repeated use, probably as a result of the withdrawal effects on the opiate receptors.

Here's some good info, and please don't dismiss it. These researchers are learning more and more every day about why this happens to some people and not to others. This is seminal and significant research about these receptors, including several very good links and excellent bibliographical sources.

The Why Files | 4. Recognizing drug receptors (http://whyfiles.org/225drug_receptors/index.php?g=4.txt)

[denial102]

I'd say the mental addictedness wears off after a couple days.
So, NO it's not addictive.


If you go on a break, once you're past the one week point you can go as far as you want even if people around you are smoking every day.

Good point THClord.. Admittedly you're fairly correct on a global basis, this seems to be the case. Still it is convenient to say it's not addictive because the "addiction" wears off ;-) Yes?


My thinking on this has changed pretty significantly since I have had my pharmacology and neuro-psychopathology classes this year and last in med school. I've also heard several really world-class level physicians address this subject, one of them our dean at Southwestern, who's a Nobel Laureate for his groundbreaking g-protein research, which relates quite closely to cannabinoid receptors.

According to what they're teaching today in allopathic (regular M.D. training programs as opposed to osteopathic) medical schools, the cannabinoid, opiate and even nicotine receptor systems are very very closely intertwined in matters of pain, reward, and addiction. Those various drugs/substances act initially through their own receptors, but they eventually trigger a generalized reward system in the brain that can also be triggered by other drugs. So even if, in concept, cannabis isn't physically addictive, it can, in the right brain chemistry--most likely a brain that is genetically susceptible to addiction in the first place--trigger an addictive response. That's not behavioral, either. It's those opiate-cannabinoid-nicotine receptors and their reward system/response working together and becoming systemically responsive to the other substances. I believe this is why some people really do develop a dependency on cannabis, which I've read hundreds of examples here about. There are always plenty of "No, no way"-sayers on this subject, but the people who experience this are very definitely in the grips of something more than psychological dependence. Any one with a propensity for addiction can get addicted to anything, whether it has withdrawal-type dependence or not. Food. Shopping. Gambling. Opiates. Weed. Alcohol. They're those folks who're destined to get hooked to something no matter what. This is why, for them specifically, they truly are addicted, often to multiple substances, and why, for folks who fall into this category, cannabis easily can be a gateway drug. Argue all you want, but for some people it is addictive and it does lead to other types of drugs because of that response linkage to the other receptors. In these people, there is also fairly marked physical withdrawal when they discontinue cannabis after heavy and repeated use, probably as a result of the withdrawal effects on the opiate receptors.

Here's some good info, and please don't dismiss it. These researchers are learning more and more every day about why this happens to some people and not to others. This is seminal and significant research about these receptors, including several very good links and excellent bibliographical sources.

The Why Files | 4. Recognizing drug receptors (http://whyfiles.org/225drug_receptors/index.php?g=4.txt)

You are way more researched than I am, and admittedly I was caught with my trousers down because I don't have the research bookmarked, I will have to have a dig around.

And yes, it is really good to see the talk about the specific receptors for THC, some people react different, and much like our beloved plants, our genetics varies widely too! Which means different reactions - for everyone. I can't generalise and I'd expect the medical community as a whole cannot either!

I hope other people continue to input data about this topic. There is, by my own admission some problems defining mental addiction, psychological addiction, and differentiating them between chemical dependance and psysiological addiction. In any case, from what I've seen I have to remain strongly in favour of some people will become what, at the very least, appears to be a strong mental addiction to this drug.

In my case, I would call it a medical dependance, uhh ahem :rasta:

I will be reading my pants off now.

Oh oh oh, one thing, I thought the behavioural system played an integral part on addictive and neurochemical responses; or at least how they are dealt with in any psychological reward system. Again, your clearly way more researched than me so maybe you can clear that up! :thumbsup:

Peace,
Denial

[Ganj]

Marijuana has no addictive chemicals in it, so physically, no it's not. However, just like anything with any aesthetic value whatsoever, you can become psychologically addicted to it. You can become addicted to video games, the computer, pot, etc., but that's nothing to do with the herb, it's all to do with YOU. :thumbsup:

On the flip side, one could argue that since smoking marijuana is SO FUN, it has psychologically addictive qualities.. As does music, and most everything else.. :hippy:

In layman's terms you THINK YOU GOTTA HAVE IT. People who are psychology dependent or addicted to anything probably fall in the category of "addictive personalities," which is partially why the majority of the population isn't all cuckoo for weed. They just can't dig it long-enough. Plus the stuff exposes you to some pretty wicked, out-of-ordinary things.

Fast-food is helping to start a trend of dependency and sooner or later our earnings are gonna be flushed down the drain, to interstate lodging and other forms of subtle conveniences which are aimed at keeping the "machine" up and running. And you know what I'm talking about! We come in but we don't leave this place. We're effectively trapped butwe don't gnaw to escape.

[Jay Matix]

Research suggests in selected people cannabis can be extremely mentally addictive, so much so it can occasionally be confused with a physical addiction and withdrawal.


True. WAY TOO MUCH SELECTIVE THINKING ON THIS SITE!

Not everything about cannabis is WONDERFUL for you.. when u abuse the drug there are a lot of things that are very bad for u. Any smoke, especially excessive smoke in your lungs is HORRIBLE for your lungs.. and weed is extremely mentally addictive for most people. (Especially heavy users) If you smoke daily/when u quit or go on a break u will have a bunch of WITHDRAWS.. For me it was IRRITABILITY! everything irritated me when i was on a break! Sleeplessness, loss of appetite, (& even anxiety & depression for some people i know) not to mention excessive CRAVING of the drug (hence "mental addiction") & the weed i smoke is so good most of my friends become extremly mentally addictive. I know a few people who thought "smoking weed was pointless.. smoked with me a few times.. then became daily smokers).. and i know a few girls that would do a lot for some weed!! haha

ALL in all anyone who says weed is NOT MENTALLY ADDICTIVE what so ever is
1. lying to themselves
2. are smoking some shitty weed

The people that i know who smoke on a regular basis (including me) find it VERY hard to on a break of just 3 or 4 days! I've never had anything that was as mentally addictive as weed is... I smoked cigs here and there but was never able to get mentally addictived to them like i am with weed.

[denial102]

[B]True. WAY TOO MUCH SELECTIVE THINKING ON THIS SITE!
For me it was IRRITABILITY! everything irritated me when i was on a break! Sleeplessness, loss of appetite, (& even anxiety & depression for some people i know) not to mention excessive CRAVING of the drug (hence "mental addiction") & the weed i smoke is so good most of my friends become extremly mentally addictive. I know a few people who thought "smoking weed was pointless.. smoked with me a few times.. then became daily smokers).. and i know a few girls that would do a lot for some weed!! haha


You are very much not alone :-)


Peace,
Denial

[Haro bmx 420]

First off, addictons to weed is bullshit seeing as people can quit and go back on if they chose, and to anyone who says it is addicting then awnser this question for me, my father is 50 years old and is addicted to alchohol, he littlerly cant stop so my question is, if he even puts his mind to quittng and cant, then how can people put their mind to quitting smoking marijuana and be sucessful? its all myth that you are "addicted" it has no chemials that are addicting just as everyone has said. So the debate is over that it is not physically addictive like achohol as an example but can make you want to smoke it more often, not an addiction

peace

[worm]

If its addictive, its definitely an addiction I accept willingly :)

[Jay Matix]

First off, addictons to weed is bullshit seeing as people can quit and go back on if they chose, and to anyone who says it is addicting then awnser this question for me, my father is 50 years old and is addicted to alchohol, he littlerly cant stop so my question is, if he even puts his mind to quittng and cant, then how can people put their mind to quitting smoking marijuana and be sucessful? its all myth that you are "addicted" it has no chemials that are addicting just as everyone has said. So the debate is over that it is not physically addictive like achohol as an example but can make you want to smoke it more often, not an addiction

peace

how can you say weed is NOT MENTALLY ADDICTING!??! U are in denial or haven't smoked good weed before!

I've been smoking weed everyday for a couple years and I can tell you weed is the most addicting thing I've ever done!! I know drug abusers that FIEND for weed more than cocaine.. just because the experience they had with weed was better!

[psteve]

True. WAY TOO MUCH SELECTIVE THINKING ON THIS SITE!

Not everything about cannabis is WONDERFUL for you.. when u abuse the drug there are a lot of things that are very bad for u. Any smoke, especially excessive smoke in your lungs is HORRIBLE for your lungs.. and weed is extremely mentally addictive for most people. (Especially heavy users) If you smoke daily/when u quit or go on a break u will have a bunch of WITHDRAWS.. For me it was IRRITABILITY! everything irritated me when i was on a break! Sleeplessness, loss of appetite, (& even anxiety & depression for some people i know) not to mention excessive CRAVING of the drug (hence "mental addiction") & the weed i smoke is so good most of my friends become extremly mentally addictive. I know a few people who thought "smoking weed was pointless.. smoked with me a few times.. then became daily smokers).. and i know a few girls that would do a lot for some weed!! haha

ALL in all anyone who says weed is NOT MENTALLY ADDICTIVE what so ever is
1. lying to themselves
2. are smoking some shitty weed

The people that i know who smoke on a regular basis (including me) find it VERY hard to on a break of just 3 or 4 days! I've never had anything that was as mentally addictive as weed is... I smoked cigs here and there but was never able to get mentally addictived to them like i am with weed.
Again with the BS.
Can you cite any studies? Any clinical experiences?
I didn't think so.
Just because you don't want to stop smoking weed, and you get pissed off when you try NOT smoking it, doesn't mean you're 'addicted'.

[psteve]

how can you say weed is NOT MENTALLY ADDICTING!??! U are in denial or haven't smoked good weed before!

I've been smoking weed everyday for a couple years and I can tell you weed is the most addicting thing I've ever done!! I know drug abusers that FIEND for weed more than cocaine.. just because the experience they had with weed was better!More BS.

[denial102]

If that is 100% true, then maybe you could define mental addiction for us all! (as after all that seems to be the fundamental reason why you disagree with my initial assessment that extreme mental addiction can occur in a minority of cannabis users)

Peace,
Denial

psteve, still waiting on your definition here :)

[Dreadscale]

Hi All :)

I can't help but to put my 2 cents in to this topic.:twocents:

I am an alcoholic and have been in some form of treatment for it, for the past 28 years.
I have been in inpatient programs, outpatient, and about every 12 step program there is.
I personally know of no one who is, or was, physically addicted to marijuana.
I have met people in treatment centers who were there because, they had a problem with Marijuana. They were usually minors or young adults, who were sent there by the court system.
I know of one lady in her 30 who was in treatment for marijuana, but the real problem was she was having an affair with the person she bought it from. She got caught and went in to treatment to save her marriage.

People are creatures of habit, we live our lives, with habits.
Some are good, and some are bad. All things can be over done and may lead to obsession, compulsion, or addiction.

I don't think anyone would say the use of marijuana is without risks. In Washington to be able to use Medical Marijuana a licensed physician must recommend the use of it. They also sign a paper that states the good done from the use of Medical Marijuana, out weighs any risk involved in its use.

Since this is a Medical Marijuana Forum we have pretty much decided the benefit of this medication, outweighs the risk of the sideffects.

As for Marijuana being addicting, I have had no withdrawals from not using marijuana, and believe me I know what withdrawal is. I haven't used Marijuana for about 7 to 10 years. If I were addicted to it, I could probably tell you the day I quit, But I can't.
However I can tell you I have 815 days SOBER.

So Judge for yourself;
"IF IT CAUSES A PROBLEM, IT IS A PROBLEM" Father Martin:thumbsup:

I Hope this made some sense to you, and helped you answer the question for yourself. :hippy:

[denial102]

As for Marijuana being addicting, I have had no withdrawals from not using marijuana, and believe me I know what withdrawal is. I haven't used Marijuana for about 7 to 10 years. If I were addicted to it, I could probably tell you the day I quit, But I can't.
However I can tell you I have 815 days SOBER.


I still say people who really think marijuana is not addicting has not used it long term, I still say it is ignorant to assume it isn't when not enough research has been gone into it to say either way. I happen to have known some people that were severely psychologically affected and did show symptoms of withdrawal and addiction as defined in the medical dictionary.

There are cases out there folks, everyone is different. Just like the plants themselves,

Peace,
Denial

[psteve]

I still say people who really think marijuana is not addicting has not used it long term
Is 39 years long term enough?

[denial102]

Is 39 years long term enough?

Yes! Everyone is different though, I'm not saying you are mentally addicted, at the least I just would like to be pointing out everyone has different genetics and thus will have different neurological, hormonal and chemical reactions both physically and mentally :thumbsup:

Peace,
Denial

[Dreadscale]

I still say people who really think marijuana is not addicting has not used it long term, I still say it is ignorant to assume it isn't when not enough research has been gone into it to say either way. I happen to have known some people that were severely psychologically affected and did show symptoms of withdrawal and addiction as defined in the medical dictionary.

There are cases out there folks, everyone is different. Just like the plants themselves,

Peace,
Denial

I began using Marijuana in the mid 70's and subtract the higher estimate of when I quit, 10 years ago, that would be roughly 33 years of use.
I believe that qualifies as long term use!

To my knowledge there are no physical withdrawal symptoms attributed Marijuana use, or the lack of. If you know of some documented cases please enlighten me.

Along with the treatment for addiction I have received over the years, I have also had psychological treatment. I have seen people with sever psychological problems attributed to smoking marijuana that was laced with another substance.
Underlying psychological problems could manifest themselves as a result of using marijuana, I guess, most certainly if it were laced with another substance.

If you are worried about addiction to Medical Marijuana, I suggest not using it.
There are other treatments available, but some have far worst sideffects. :hippy:

[Purple Banana]

psteve- I think psychological cannabis dependency goes much deeper than a "personality disorder"... The DSM were the ones who, up until about 1973, also classified homosexuality as a 'mental disorder' under a DSM diagnosis, so don't be so quick to soley rely on that source for classification. New research is being developed all the time.

Like BG had mentioned, psychological dependency is far deeper-rooted; it's more into the neurological category than a personality issue. "Addicitve Personality," as they say, may project what may be a high sensitivity to the cocktails of neurotransmitters released in the brain when the person comes into contact with a substance; in this case we'll use cannabis as a relevant example.

When you smoke a joint, the THC/CBDs are carried to your brain, converted/broken down into various molecules our body can use, and we feel stoned. The receptors who (surprise) receive those chemical messages have been shown in some individuals to be overly-sensitive- that's why the term "psychological addiction" is more of a neurological predisposition.

When the pleasure-inducing chemicals are released in our brain on a regular basis from smoking pot, the receptors begin to become accustomed to the same chemical cocktails being released somewhat regularly. When those signals end abruptly, over a period of time, the receptors begin to become agitated, so to say, because of a lack of the feel-good chemical responsible for the high.

The main difference between physical and psychological dependence begins here. While physical dependence goes on to effect other parts of the body in a physical sense, psychological dependence remains in the brain with the neurotransmitters and other chemicals as the only physiological process in psychological dependence. That's the difference.

This can explain why some individuals can certainly feel emotional symptoms of psychological cannabis withdrawal, such as headaches, irritability, insomnia, ect. but do not have signs of physical withdrawal, such as fever, chills, sweating, and hallucinations. If these neurologically sensitive people experience such symptoms as a result of stopping their use of cannabis, then what is it?

psteve- did you get a chance to look at the links so generously provided by Bird Girl? If not, I suggest reading them, they're very informative and non-biased. Could you please supply us with some links from academic/non-goverment funded scientific sources that back your claim?

Here are some I found useful:

Dopamine Receptor Function And Its Role In Drug Use (http://www.utexas.edu/research/asrec/dopamine.html)

Dopamine and the Dependence Liability of Marijuana (http://www.ukcia.org/research/gettman.htm)

[denial102]

Like BG had mentioned, psychological dependency is far deeper-rooted; it's more into the neurological category than a personality issue. "Addicitve Personality," as they say, may project what may be a high sensitivity to the cocktails of neurotransmitters released in the brain when the person comes into contact with a substance; in this case we'll use cannabis as a relevant example.

When you smoke a joint, the THC/CBDs are carried to your brain, converted/broken down into various molecules our body can use, and we feel stoned. The receptors who (surprise) receive those chemical messages have been shown in some individuals to be overly-sensitive- that's why the term "psychological addiction" is more of a neurological predisposition.

This can explain why some individuals can certainly feel emotional symptoms of psychological cannabis withdrawal, such as headaches, irritability, insomnia, ect. but do not have signs of physical withdrawal, such as fever, chills, sweating, and hallucinations. If these neurologically sensitive people experience such symptoms as a result of stopping their use of cannabis, then what is it?



Very good info dude, I have to keep on insisting to people (around the world) that everyone is different, and also is their hormonal, neurochemical balance, some of which is predefined by environmental or genetic deposition.

In the medical community at least, the discussion of addiction in marijuana is not a new concept, and there are at least some people that exhibit this behaviour. It's likely controllable, the message for me is awareness and moderation in your drug taking activities - everything, in fact, in moderation. Ignorance just isn't good enough for me!

It's been a while since i've emersed myself in this stuff. There is an illusion though that I have recognised exists; a psychological control factor (possible some level of consciousness/awareness or biofeedback) plays a part on perceived "mental addiction". (The science community I am a part of considers cannabis weakly mentally addictive). What I call an inherent `psychological control factor has a lot to do with the synthesis of addictive behaviour - which can result from psychological or biochemical reactions in the brain. The "Illusion" of mental and physical addiction is someone compounded by the physical medium of the brain is in medical science considered a physical item that does interact with Delta9 and other cannabinoids.

Although research is generally inconclusive, it's of my opinion a very serious mistake to conclude that cannabis does not create addictive behaviour in patients, psychological or otherwise.

It is also of my opinion that although these "addictive" traits may be reversable by psychotherapy and other neurological treatments, usually in patients a chemical process occurs usually a form of hypersensitivity, or additional linkages in the brain that are either a) a result of their `mental illness`/addiction or b) something that is predisposed to create their mental illness/addiction

Given the subjects of the study are human, the scope of research is finitely limited and thus important to keep an open mind, again everything in moderation! If you don't want to do things that way, that's fine, great, it's your decision. There is still no substitute for awareness!


Peace,
Denial

[Purple Banana]

Here's another great link on the psychology of psychological dependence- although it substitutes chocolate for cannabis, it's a surprisingly similar physiological process:

Is Chocolate Physiologically or Psychologically Addictive? (http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web2/Slaughter.html)

EDIT: 2000th post :thumbsup:

[denial102]

Here's another great link on the psychology of psychological dependence- although it substitutes chocolate for cannabis, it's a surprisingly similar physiological process:

Is Chocolate Physiologically or Psychologically Addictive? (http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web2/Slaughter.html)

I read a paper just like this! It's very interesting. I wouldn't call it unreasonable to assume a weak link between the psychological and physiological "feedback" - which links in with the research that birdgirl pulled out of her hat. Very much about dependancy, chemical or otherwise, neurological or otherwise, physically induced or otherwise! (Something that the reward system is based around - i.e. system feedback).

:thumbsup:

keep this coming peeopls :D
Peace,
Denial

[THClord]

Is chocolate mentally addictive?

[Jay Matix]

Again with the BS.
Can you cite any studies? Any clinical experiences?
I didn't think so.
Just because you don't want to stop smoking weed, and you get pissed off when you try NOT smoking it, doesn't mean you're 'addicted'.

there is no study on the "MENTAL" addiction of weed. Every person i know who smokes weed on a regular basis is in some way mentally addicted.. some more than others. I'll tell u right now I, LIKE MOST DAILY WEED SMOKERS AM EXTREMELY MENTALLY ADDICTED TO WEED (more to weed than anything else). Why else would people use the drug MORE AND MORE AND MORE... because they like the feeling that it brings.. they are "mentally addicted to the drug" now lying to yourself saying "EVERYTHING ABOUT WEED IS GOOD FOR U AND THERE IS NO MENTAL ADDICTION FROM WEED" is just denial.

[Purple Banana]

I wouldn't call it unreasonable to assume a weak link between the psychological and physiological "feedback" - which links in with the research that birdgirl pulled out of her hat. Very much about dependancy, chemical or otherwise, neurological or otherwise, physically induced or otherwise! (Something that the reward system is based around - i.e. system feedback).


Spot on, my friend. Like I had mentioned before, it's a very fundamental supply and reward system at a neurochemical level. I don't necessarily believe chocolate's psychologically pleasing attributes constitute an addiction or dependence close to that or cannabis, but the reward centers are set up in similar ways. Most people get tired of eating chocolate before they begin to develop a dependence on the slighter chemical activity that is much more pronounced in cannabis use.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Denial is spot about the strong psychological dependence in certain people. Marijuana can be abused, to the point where a person MUST have it before being able to carry on with daily activities. Otherwise the activities may seem dull, uneventful, and boring. Many people also use it to try and "escape" from the cruel realities they're surrounded with day after day. Stress or anxiety got you down? Get high and mellow out. Loved one pass away? Get high and take the edge off.

What's the difference between this person and you? Maybe you can handle these occurrences without the need to "mellow out". But other people can't, and would probably go mad (or worse) without something to calm them down. But just because you can tolerate your addiction a little better does not mean you can claim to be immune from it. The person who says they've been using it for 39 years, yet they're not in the least bit addicted, is the kind of person I'm referring to. No, it's not a physical addiction like those gained from chemicals like heroin, alcohol, and nicotine...but, it can be just as habit forming. And for anyone who's ever given up cigarettes, you know how hard just the habit alone can be to shake.

Here's a clip from just one of the 77,300 Google results under "Marijuana, psychological addiction" (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=marijuana+psychological+addiction&btnG=Google+Search):

"But the fact is, addiction experts today no longer distinguish between psychological and physical dependence. What matters is whether or not a drug causes uncontrollable, compulsive drug seeking and use, even in the face of negative health and social consequences. This "drug hunger" at the core of all addiction is much more difficult to control than physical symptoms, many of which can be medically managed."

Facts on Tap: prevention and intervention program for high school and college students (http://www.factsontap.org/factsontap/marijuana/addictive.htm)

Don't get me wrong, I love this plant too, and am one of the biggest advocates you'll ever meet (well...read). I love it enough, in fact, that I'm willing to risk my freedom just to make sure there's plenty of it around when I want it. Luckily, the addiction to marijuana is much easier to beat than addictions to harder substances. Still though, that doesn't mean it's not there. And for those with a long history of chemical dependence, there's probably a good chance that the person will end up suffering from withdrawal-like symptoms when they decide to quit; insomnia, irritability, mood swings, etc. Regardless of how you look at it, marijuana is a DRUG...and should be treated with respect and understanding. Not blind faith and selective reasoning stemming from repeated use and inherent enjoyment of the drug.

[Dreadscale]

Hi All :)



People are creatures of habit, we live our lives, with habits.
Some are good, and some are bad. All things can be over done and may lead to obsession, compulsion, or addiction.

I don't think anyone would say the use of marijuana is without risks. In Washington to be able to use Medical Marijuana a licensed physician must recommend the use of it. They also sign a paper that states the good done from the use of Medical Marijuana, out weighs any risk involved in its use.

Since this is a Medical Marijuana Forum we have pretty much decided the benefit of this medication, outweighs the risk of the sideffects.


So Judge for yourself;
"IF IT CAUSES A PROBLEM, IT IS A PROBLEM" Father Martin:thumbsup:

I Hope this made some sense to you, and helped you answer the question for yourself. :hippy:


An edited 2 cents worth.:twocents:

[GraziLovesMary]

it's not notably physically addictive like many drugs.

however, like chocolate, or anything good, it can be so enjoyable that you want to relive the experience, hence "psychological addiction." you can be an addict to anything, and MJ is addicting in the same way that chocolate is.

This is pretty much what I was going to respond with. It carries no physical addiction.


But when it comes right down to it, anything can be addicting to the right person. It all boils down to a persons will power, and state of mind.

I smoke from the moment I wake up til whenever I go to bed, and I could quit tomorrow. But for the next few days I would be more irritable, as I have to deal with the stressors of modern life in a less-than-euphoric state of mind, to say the least. But it wouldnt affect my performance or personality to any notable degree. Some people rely on the self-medicating qualities a little more than others, but the bottom line is: addiction varies from person to person; it is relative, not definitive.

[207233]

my situation is really weird. I have smoked almost every day for about the past 5 months and thought it was great. but then when i stopped in about 2 weeks i got really bad panic attacks, depression, lack of appetite, insomnia, vivid dreams, fatigue---all of the symptoms of withdrawal. I thought, there is no way this can be withdrawal, pot isn't addictive. Well its been 24 days since the symptoms came on and the worst is over. I'm not anti-pot but all i'm saying is that something definitely happened, so i guess i'm part of the small majority that can get withdrawal. By the way i've never had any of those symptoms before i started smoking so it's not like the pot treated it and then it came back. I would like to think that weed isn't addictive but there is some legitimate research out there about withdrawal.

[Delta9 UK]

In all honesty after 14 years of smoking weed I know these things to be true. I have not smoked every day of that 14 years and at some points didn't smoke one bowl for months. I currently smoke between about 0.5g to 1g per day on average.

After this many years I know:

1. Tobacco is really addictive - Holy Crap quitting was harsh
2. Weed does have a psychological addiction "profile" - I can 'feel' when I'm slipping into it.
3. Any effects of dependance are GONE after about 3 days

So basically I'm saying that I can feel when I'm slipping into a dependancy 'profile' where I am increasing my smoke intake, my tolerance is going up and I'm spending more time "musing" about weed in general. Sometimes it just plain 'bugs' me at the back of my mind and I begin to think of weed - smoking it mostly ;)

However, after a few days of quitting (a bit like a detox) everything is back to normal again.

I would guess (a BIG guess) that this would be Seratonin/Dopamine related ~ it is definately along those lines for me anyway.

Each to his own, but that's my take and I think 14 years is long term enough to know about my body and the way it reacts to cannabis.

[Halcy0n]

Marijuana is quite addicting for many people. Most stoners know this and if they don't they're in denial. Usually it's only the newbie smokers that claim weed isn't addictive at all.

Some people don't experience withdrawal symptoms because thc is fat soluble so it's eliminated from your body very slowly. But for skinny people with a high metabolism like me there's not a lot of room for it to be stored and it seems to go out of my system faster. I become very irritated when I quit smoking after smoking every day for a while. I also get headaches, insomnia, loss of appetite, loss of sex drive, and whatever else I'm forgetting right now. Sometimes these effects can be quite severe. I realize they're nothing in comparison with heroin or whatever, but they still effect me significantly. Not everyone may experience effects as significant as mine, and many people may experience no effects at all, but to say cannabis isn't addictive is just absurd.

There's been plenty of studies done about the withdrawal effects of cannabis, here's one of them: Marijuana Withdrawal Reported By Teens Seeking Treatment (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/05/050511134634.htm)

Even though many people claim marijuana causes no physical addiction I have my doubts. I can eat crackers every day for a year and then quit without becoming an angry insomniac.

[jessem98]

lmao. yes it is, now surrender the remainder of your stash to me

[Mr. Clandestine]

1. Tobacco is really addictive - Holy Crap quitting was harsh

I can't agree with you more. I've been struggling for years to kick the habit, and still can't help but fall back on it when times dictate. For instance, my wife's grandmother just passed away a little over a week ago. I hadn't had a cigarette for months before we found out the news of her impending fate, but as soon as I started going to the hospital/hospice every day (so we could dutifully wait for her to die), I started smoking again. I've been smoking a pack a day for almost a week.:mad: And, in all likelihood, I'll quit again next week... only to start smoking again when another hardcore stressor enters my life. It's a vicious cycle. If you don't mind me asking... what did it take for you to finally give it up?


2. Weed does have a psychological addiction "profile" - I can 'feel' when I'm slipping into it.

I think most of us can. More of a playful temptation than an addiction, but it's still there for many of us. Those who say they are immune to it are most likely in denial.

[human8]

the one thing I always reflect on after taking a three month or more break is...."I started acting more 'serious'. ......whew!"

[denial102]

Thanks guys, this is really inspiring, I actually thought I was in a much smaller minority, however reading the threads, it looks like a lot of people are familiar with "cannabis addiction" mental or otherwise, :thumbsup:

psteve says there is "no such thing" as mental addiction, I say, hmm not so sure :-)

One day we'll know! What we learnt from this thread is that cannabis, like most drugs are predictable in a general way, however, much like us beings ourselves - there is a great variety in interactions, and the unexpected happens all the time! This is great and I think it is all I live for.. "Unexpected".

Yes, so cannabis addictive or not we learnt to respect all drugs, herbs and medicines much like we should respect ourselves, and our usage with it. Even if it is to excess, I think that is fine, as long as he or she is aware of the side effects (one thing that does exist - don't care who you are or what you say - objectively side effects DO exist) :-)

I don't usually make "don't care who you are or what you say" comments, but regarding sife effects, hell yeah.. everything has a side effect - it is called causality ;-]

Thanks! I definately learnt something from this thread.. not to be too hasty with what I say about "addiction" - not to get too tangled up on the definition, etc

Peace Out,
Denial

[chameleonking]

I've known a lot of alcohol & tobacco addicts. I know a lot of MJ users. Alcohol & tobacco destroyed my parents & many of their friends. Also, effected our family finacially & caused dysfunctionalty. Other than being criminalized by the system, I've never known MJ to cause addiction. I know a lot of people who used only MJ & readily quit. Few of these people were destructive. Most of the MJ smokers that I have known never used stronger substances. Their have been some who graduated only because they were exposed to hard core drugs by hard core criminals. If we had decriminalization of MJ, most people would not meet this dangerous element & the link would be broken. Crime would go down, along with profits. I for one would rather have people using quality MJ than the legal drugs, alcohol & tobacco. This is the curse of our previous generations still being foisted on new generations. How come our wrong-headed legislators can't see this? But, prohibition is not the answer. In comparison, MJ is relatively benign. There will always be abusers. The answer is treatment. Which is 1/10th the cost of prison & way more effective. Holland's example is the way to go. They see less addiction there & treat addicts as people who need help & compassion. :thumbsup:

[texas grass]

cannabis is as addictive as the user wants it to be. if you have an addictive personality you can become addicted to it. and same goes if you dont have an addictive personality you probibly wont become addicted.

[Mr. Clandestine]

I know I get bummed out if I know I'm about to run out of smoke, but I don't think that's stemming from an addiction. More like knowing that I'll need some more before I can truly enjoy some of my favorite video games again. Most of them suck when played sober. GTA & Blizzard battle.net games are an addiction, cannabis is just what fuels that addiction. :jointsmile:

[silkyblue]

partnership for a drug free America made weed addictive in the 90's

Ronald Regan started it, he was gonna rid households of drugs

cannot fathom whats going to happen in the future for or

grandchildren. They wont even, have the privicy we have, they'll be cams in every room mandantory from the government This friggin gov is money hungry. That tax check thats supposedly comin' for what??

milk and bread, gas our biggest bill is Shell oil

whats up with the stinking ripoff gas prices WTF?

Im happy I smoke tomatoes, I will never quit my tomatoes

If tomatoes was free, it would b legal

[TheSmokingMonkey]

Birdgirl - thanks for putting that out in the open.

In my mind, cannabis addiction is like alcohol addiction - it can be partially physical, but it's also mental, and it's very uncommon compared to the generally moderate use that is accepted among the general population.

Responsible use is possible of a potentially addictive drug (alcohol, cannabis, caffeine).

Responsible use is not possible of a definitely addictive drug (tobacco, meth, heroin).

I think it behoves us to pay attention to the side effects and potential downsides of cannabis use. While these things should not prevent its legalization, they are things we, as responsible users, must be vigilant of avoiding.

[denial102]

good to see you people haven't forgotten about this thread :D



Peace,
Denial

[jchap]

this is my 3rd day without due to supply problems and man im suffering

irritable, bored and depressed

i have been going to bed early, cant watch tv, or play ps3

i think it's addictive mentally

but so are alot off legal stuff like coke (not the powder)

[Purple Banana]

This is another older recycled thread... Just interested now that we have more newer members- what are your thoughts and experiences on cannabis dependency, both physical and psychological?

[FourTwenty4Life]

I think it depends on the user. I know people who toke every day for years and are fine. I also know someone who uses MJ every day and is depressed, anti social, and lacks much motivation to do anything. Then you have people like me who switched from toking to vaporizing because of medical issues. I vaporize every day. Can I go without? Yes but I won't be the happiest camper and I'll be in pain. Many years ago I had a real cocaine addiction so I know the feeling. It took a LOT of strength to kick the habit after I nearly had an OD. These days I won't go anywhere near it and don't associate with anyone who does. I think it's really a case by case basis because many factors can dictate addictive behavior. :hippy:

[luciddreamer]

My thinking on this has changed pretty significantly since I have had my pharmacology and neuro-psychopathology classes this year and last in med school. I've also heard several really world-class level physicians address this subject, one of them our dean at Southwestern, who's a Nobel Laureate for his groundbreaking g-protein research, which relates quite closely to cannabinoid receptors.

According to what they're teaching today in allopathic (regular M.D. training programs as opposed to osteopathic) medical schools, the cannabinoid, opiate and even nicotine receptor systems are very very closely intertwined in matters of pain, reward, and addiction. Those various drugs/substances act initially through their own receptors, but they eventually trigger a generalized reward system in the brain that can also be triggered by other drugs. So even if, in concept, cannabis isn't physically addictive, it can, in the right brain chemistry--most likely a brain that is genetically susceptible to addiction in the first place--trigger an addictive response. That's not behavioral, either. It's those opiate-cannabinoid-nicotine receptors and their reward system/response working together and becoming systemically responsive to the other substances. I believe this is why some people really do develop a dependency on cannabis, which I've read hundreds of examples here about. There are always plenty of "No, no way"-sayers on this subject, but the people who experience this are very definitely in the grips of something more than psychological dependence. Any one with a propensity for addiction can get addicted to anything, whether it has withdrawal-type dependence or not. Food. Shopping. Gambling. Opiates. Weed. Alcohol. They're those folks who're destined to get hooked to something no matter what. This is why, for them specifically, they truly are addicted, often to multiple substances, and why, for folks who fall into this category, cannabis easily can be a gateway drug. Argue all you want, but for some people it is addictive and it does lead to other types of drugs because of that response linkage to the other receptors. In these people, there is also fairly marked physical withdrawal when they discontinue cannabis after heavy and repeated use, probably as a result of the withdrawal effects on the opiate receptors.

Here's some good info, and please don't dismiss it. These researchers are learning more and more every day about why this happens to some people and not to others. This is seminal and significant research about these receptors, including several very good links and excellent bibliographical sources.

The Why Files | 4. Recognizing drug receptors (http://whyfiles.org/225drug_receptors/index.php?g=4.txt)

I hope they're not gonna conclude that this proves the gateway theory as you suggested?
What this means (IF true!) is that weed could help rid you of addiction to alcohol or tobacco. Since it eventually creates a general effect on the reward system, it can help feed the reward you would usually get from nicotine for example. Why would you need to do another drug to get the reward when would would be doing it itself?


Responsible use is possible of a potentially addictive drug (alcohol, cannabis, caffeine).

Responsible use is not possible of a definitely addictive drug (tobacco, meth, heroin).
That's the dumbest thing I've heard in this thread.
Lots of people smoke tobacco (I'm going to replace 'responsibly' with 'occasionally' since you can be responsibly addicted to something, for example it's not really irresponsible to be addicted to Heroin if you are using it for severe pain relief)
All the drugs you mentioned and thus every drug known is only "potentially addictive". You do not get addicted to Heroin after one hit (as per popular belief). I believe most experts agree you could be high for two days straight before you get any sort of withdrawal. Also tobacco is not "definitely addictive" because millions of people only try smoking once and then never do again if they don't like it. Meth takes ages to get addicted to.

I see you've done none of your own research, well done. Just because it's not about Cannabis, doesn't mean it isn't propaganda.

Basically I believe you can get addicted to the feeling weed gives you. IT makes you feel happy and as some other smart person here said, it takes the edge off things. If you can cope easily with the BS in life without weed, you probably won't get irritated and depressed when you quit.
It's just obvious to you because it is a sudden change from the norm (if you're high constantly). I know from like if I take Xanax for example, for a few days (not long enough for any addiction) on the fourth day I will suddenly notice that I am anxious. It's not that I'm withdrawing it's just that I'm always like that but have never noticed because it's just what I'm used to. But then when I can feel that relaxation I realise how anxious I really am all the time when that relaxation stops.

Also things are addictive mostly because they give you dopamine. There is this chemical I forgot what it's called that actually destroys the excess of dopamine. When you stop taking the drug you don't have as much of the dopamine production but the dopamine destroying chemical stays at the same level which completely depletes dopamine and causes withdrawals. At least that's as much as they know, there might be and probably is more things that contribute to it. However Weed only gives you serotonin, which is what makes you happy and therefore want to be happy again. But there is no dopamine involved.

[MaerieJain]

A lot of this discussion has been regarding mental/psychological addiction and withdrawal, however few physical symptoms of withdrawal have been discussed.
In my experience I have consistently experienced the following symptoms (inclusively) whenever I have ceased smoking:

Excessive sweating/hyperhydrosis
Constipation
Insomnia
Bruxia (teeth grinding in sleep) when finally asleep
Suppression of appetite
Aversion to sweet and sugary foods

I have a number of smoker friends who have experienced some or all of these issues, and some who experience none. I do have some addictive tendencies, and tend to be anxious at times, but regardless of my mindset I do experience the same symptoms. I believe they are related to physical habituation to dehydration and increase in appetite caused by smoking.

There are pharmacological treatments, therapeutic treatment facilities and programs for those wanting to stop smoking. The designing and funding for this certainly suggests many believe marijuana is an addictive substance.

On another note, if there are ANY SUGGESTIONS AT ALL about how to reduce the unpleasantness of withdrawal, PLEASE TELL ME! I've been feeling awful since I ran out!

[evilcloudst]

Like many others in the thread have already said, the drug is mentally addictive, not physcially

[jtsik330]

yes, mental addixtion

[palerider7777]

I think it depends on the user. I know people who toke every day for years and are fine. I also know someone who uses MJ every day and is depressed, anti social, and lacks much motivation to do anything. Then you have people like me who switched from toking to vaporizing because of medical issues. I vaporize every day. Can I go without? Yes but I won't be the happiest camper and I'll be in pain. Many years ago I had a real cocaine addiction so I know the feeling. It took a LOT of strength to kick the habit after I nearly had an OD. These days I won't go anywhere near it and don't associate with anyone who does. I think it's really a case by case basis because many factors can dictate addictive behavior. :hippy:

thats because it's not the drug it's the person.does one have a weak mind or a strong one.really that simple.
or am i the only one in the world that does'nt have an addictive behavior?

and you should have said it like this.many years ago cocaine had a real "me"addiction.

people are the cause of there own addiction not the drug.

[palerider7777]

Like many others in the thread have already said, the drug is mentally addictive, not physcially

naw the person already had the mental probs b4 the drug.

[Faddenator]

It absolutely is addictive mentally. anything that releases serotonin in the brain is addicting. Salt is a good example. You may not think you crave it but you do. It's the reason why processed food contain so much sodium. caffeine is another one often overlooked. If you ever have a headache and can't figure out why... think about the last time you had caffeine. It happens to me all the time.

So while you don't NEED MJ to function, you definitely want it right? Yeah you do. Otherwise you'd never spend 50 bucks for 3.5 grams of a dried up plant.

[TheSmokingMonkey]

My thinking on this has changed pretty significantly since I have had my pharmacology and neuro-psychopathology classes this year and last in med school. I've also heard several really world-class level physicians address this subject, one of them our dean at Southwestern, who's a Nobel Laureate for his groundbreaking g-protein research, which relates quite closely to cannabinoid receptors.

According to what they're teaching today in allopathic (regular M.D. training programs as opposed to osteopathic) medical schools, the cannabinoid, opiate and even nicotine receptor systems are very very closely intertwined in matters of pain, reward, and addiction. Those various drugs/substances act initially through their own receptors, but they eventually trigger a generalized reward system in the brain that can also be triggered by other drugs. So even if, in concept, cannabis isn't physically addictive, it can, in the right brain chemistry--most likely a brain that is genetically susceptible to addiction in the first place--trigger an addictive response. That's not behavioral, either. It's those opiate-cannabinoid-nicotine receptors and their reward system/response working together and becoming systemically responsive to the other substances. I believe this is why some people really do develop a dependency on cannabis, which I've read hundreds of examples here about. There are always plenty of "No, no way"-sayers on this subject, but the people who experience this are very definitely in the grips of something more than psychological dependence. Any one with a propensity for addiction can get addicted to anything, whether it has withdrawal-type dependence or not. Food. Shopping. Gambling. Opiates. Weed. Alcohol. They're those folks who're destined to get hooked to something no matter what. This is why, for them specifically, they truly are addicted, often to multiple substances, and why, for folks who fall into this category, cannabis easily can be a gateway drug. Argue all you want, but for some people it is addictive and it does lead to other types of drugs because of that response linkage to the other receptors. In these people, there is also fairly marked physical withdrawal when they discontinue cannabis after heavy and repeated use, probably as a result of the withdrawal effects on the opiate receptors.

Here's some good info, and please don't dismiss it. These researchers are learning more and more every day about why this happens to some people and not to others. This is seminal and significant research about these receptors, including several very good links and excellent bibliographical sources.

The Why Files | 4. Recognizing drug receptors (http://whyfiles.org/225drug_receptors/index.php?g=4.txt)

Never heard of this polydrug abuse axis before (if it could be called that? sorry if the terminology is inaccurate) - thanks for posting.

Also: several studies have shown withdrawal symptoms in SOME users (notably, very heavy users or users who started using mj at a young age), but none (that I'm aware of) have posited a credible explanation for them.