Obama

[purplehaze11]

Obama says he's in favor of decriminalization:

Obama: Decriminalize pot--The Washington Times, America's Newspaper (http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NATION/896961936/1001)

Hopefully this issue will be addressed tonight during the debate.

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, I read the article and it sounds like Barak is for it, and is against it, depending on who you ask him in front of. No different than any of the other candidates, except that he obviously doesn't have the honesty or integrity to take a public position. This being obvious I would generally be less likely to support him than I would a candidate that openly opposed legalization but had honesty and integrity. Think about it.:thumbsup:

[dragonrider]

It would be interesting to hear what he had to say in resposne to a direct question on this issue. It sounded like a pretty direct answer in 2004. In the more recent debate, it was sort of a confusing double-negative type question by Russert. I had to listen to it twice to really understand what he was asking.

[Psycho4Bud]

It would be interesting to hear what he had to say in resposne to a direct question on this issue.

He'd probably answer the question like he does every other one.....a whole lot of garbage coming out with no real plan or position defined. Get the assclown talking about Iraq........ya don't know if we're staying or leaving.

Have a good one!:s4:

[BlueCat00]

I really don't understand why you talk so negatively about Obama.

He is for most of the same issues you are. Why not read his book. You have an open mind don't you?

Obama supports decriminalization of marijuana, and rejects war on drugs...

which is a lot more than you can say about the rest of the candidates!

As president, Mr. Obama "will review drug sentences to see where we can be smarter on crime and reduce the blind and counterproductive sentencing of non-violent offenders, and revisit instances where drug rehabilitation may be more appropriate." His campaign later stated that Mr. Obama "always" has supported decriminalizing marijuana.

He is talking about reducing or even eliminating sentences and your bitching?

WTF do you want him to do pass out blunts at the next debate?

Give me a break. You have to learn to walk before you run at least this man is making an effort. Give him some credit for what he wants to do. You are talking him down before he ever gets a chance. That is pretty close mined if you ask me.

BOOOOO HISSSS shame on you!

[Psycho4Bud]

"In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature â?? to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate. In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted â??present,â?� effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator."
Obama Trys to Have It Both Ways By Avoiding Votes - Primary Voices - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/news/politics/primaryvoices/2007/12/obama_trys_to_have_it_both_way.html)

So what's he done as a senator? 117 times "Not Voting, Excused, Absent, or Present" out of 387 bills.......that gives him a 30% NOT VOTING record. NOT the type of person that should be President. He's been a slacker from his days in Illinois and hasn't changed much it seems.
Project Vote Smart - Senator Barack H. Obama Jr. - Voting Record (http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490)

You'll see from the list in the link that there were MANY important issues that he must have felt was beneath his precious time or possibly he may have had to taken a stance that he didn't want on record.

Have a good one!

[something]

"On Thursday, The Washington Times reported that in 2004, as a candidate for the U.S. Senate, Obama came out for decriminalizing marijuana use. That usually means eliminating jail sentences and arrest records for anyone caught with a small amount for personal use, treating it more like a traffic offense than a violent crime. But in a show of hands at a debate last fall, he indicated that he opposed the idea.

When confronted on the issue by the Times, however, the senator defended his original ground. His campaign said he has "always" supported decriminalization. It's a brave position, and therefore exceedingly rare among practicing politicians. Which may be why it didn't last. Before the day was over, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying he thinks "we are sending far too many first-time non-violent drug users to prison for very long periods of time" but "does not believe that we should treat offenses involving marijuana with a simple fine or just by confiscating the drug." Recently, he had told a New Hampshire newspaper, "I'm not in favor of decriminalization."

This episode reveals that as a candidate, Obama is more fond of bold rhetoric than bold policies. But it also proves the impossibility of talking sense on the subject of illicit drugs during a political campaign. That course of action would mean admitting the inadmissible: that the prohibition of cannabis has been cruel, wasteful and fraudulent."

from the chicago tribune, published today

[Psycho4Bud]

This episode reveals that as a candidate, Obama is more fond of bold rhetoric than bold policies.

Why should he take a stand on this when he hasn't on so many issues in the past? When your the Prez, a "Not Voting" or "Present" vote doesn't cut it.

Have a good one!:s4:

[BlueCat00]

Looks like we need a little poli sci 101 that's ok I slept through a few of my poli sci lectures too.

All senators vote "present" that is how the system works. When a bill is introduced if the senator agrees 100% with the bill AND all it parts they vote YES

If they absolutely disagree with the bill they vote NO

BUT if they liked part of the bill and would probably vote for it IF a few changes were made they vote "present"

That way the person/persons who wrote the bill knows who is absolutely against it who's for it AND who could be persuaded to change their mind IF the bill were altered.

For example the economic stimulus bill: They all seem to want it but some want it to extend unemployment and do more for the middle class which at this point it doesn't so they will vote "present" until the bill is changed.

The senators you should be bitching at are the ones that don't even bother to show up!

So you see there is no conspiracy just Hillarys newspeak. Don't fall for it.

He is for decriminalization and he has reiterated that point so why complain. Just ride the wave of change its coming baby..............:cool:

[8182KSKUSH]

NO he is not. He is fake, just as fake as Billary. You are obviously a "true believer" and nothing will move you from your "opinion" of Obama. Did you read Psycho's posts? You didn't even acknowledge what Psycho or something even said. I don't think he is a schill for the billary campaign. He is laying out objective FACTS that can be easily verified. You choose to ignore them and not even respond blue? I really hope in a way him or billary does win, so that the world will be perfect!;) And then after their terms expire, I am going to look around at all the people that were making statements just like the ones you have made, as well as all the "bush bashers" and I am going to ask you, "Well what happened? No decriminalization, economy is wrecked, and the offical language is chineese, (it would be spanish, until the chineese take over after the second year). But of course, most will still be able to somehow blame America, or blame Bush.

[BlueCat00]

It won't matter what I say you buzz kills will just come up with more chit it's all sour grapes for you...all negative.
Obama has managed to get HUGE numbers of young people to the polls. NEVER in history has this many people come to a primary caucus.
We have had to change our venue 2 times to accommodate all the people coming to the caucus meetings. NEVER has there been such an interest in politics by young people and you guys won't even give him credit for what he is doing... Even the talking heads at fox had brains enough to admit this man has made a huge difference in American politics.

SO many people in this country have felt betrayed by their government they lost their faith in the system but Obama has changed that. He is uniting people and what he is doing is working. Look at the crowds dude I suppose EVERY ONE ELSE is wrong and you guys know it all...

keep talking though... your words will be here for all to see FOREVER as history is being made you can tell your grandchildren how you didn't participate, you were against Obama.. you missed the boat. LMAO

The torch has been passed to the young people of this country and I for one know that they will do a hell of a better job than the idiots in charge now...Si Se Puede

AS I SAID if he voted present on any bill it is because he did not agree with aspects of the bill and IF CHANGED he would vote YES. He has explained this several times.

Spin that however you like..the rest of the country is listening to Obama

In 1998, Obama was one of only three senators to vote against a proposal making it a criminal offense for convicts on probation or on bail to have contact with a street gang.

In 2001, Obama voted against a measure that would have expanded the penalties for some gang activity to include the death penalty. The bill was vetoed by then-Gov. George Ryan (R ) not long after he had issued a moratorium on the death penalty in the state.

Obama, at the time, said the bill would unfairly target minorities, stating, â??Thereâ??s a strong overlap between gang affiliation and young men of color â?¦ I think itâ??s problematic for them to be singled out as more likely to receive the death penalty for carrying out certain acts than are others who do the same thing.â?�


On a 1999 vote making adult prosecution mandatory for aggravated discharge of a firearm in or near a school, the senator voted â??present.â?�

He explained the vote, saying, â??There is really no proof or indication that automatic transfers and increased penalties and adult penalties for juvenile offenses have, in fact, proven to be more effective in reducing juvenile crime or cutting back on recidivism.â?�

And in 2001, Obama voted â??presentâ?� on a bill that would increase penalties for trafficking in Ecstasy and other designer drugs.

The senator questioned the length of some drug penalties when compared to other crimes, noting that selling 15 tablets of Ecstasy was a Class X felony, as was raping a woman at knifepoint.

He did not vote against the bill because he felt there needed to be higher penalties for dangerous drugs but he did not vote for it because the penalties they wanted to inflict were to severe. I don't know how to make it any plainer. If you don't understand this issue it is because you don't want to..As I said BUZZ KILLS. You ain't bringing me down :rastasmoke:

[BlueCat00]

Oh and about the official language being Chinese...it was the BUSH/CLINTON dynasty that sold us out to the Chinese.

Obama has said we need to stop sending jobs to China Stop importing Chinese toys and make China adhere to fair trading practices so I don't know where you are even coming from with that statement.

[8182KSKUSH]

Oh and about the official language being Chinese...it was the BUSH/CLINTON dynasty that sold us out to the Chinese.

Obama has said we need to stop sending jobs to China Stop importing Chinese toys and make China adhere to fair trading practices so I don't know where you are even coming from with that statement.

So he's anti-chineese? What about other countries, Taiwan? So Barack believes that the government should control and regulate the PRIVATE BUSINIESSES? Wow, sounds like a winner to me, thanks for proving my point!:thumbsup:

[BlueCat00]

Yeah Dude he's anti Chinese you run with that one.
Knock yourself out. :wtf:

[BlueCat00]

What planet do you live on I'm just wondering. Our government gives incentives for businesses to move overseas..

Our government regulates private businesses NOW.
You have no point you are just an old grouch.

[Psycho4Bud]

The senators you should be bitching at are the ones that don't even bother to show up!

You mean like the 30% of the time he had a "NV" in Senate? 117 times not voting out of 387 bills is a crap record.......try to get away with them figures in ANY other workplace.

Have a good one!:s4:

[BlueCat00]

So now are we going to go over all the bills and see how many times each senator was NOT present...because that is the only fair way to judge this. Dole, McCain, Haskell they all have plenty of days they were not there. You are grasping for straws here and I really don't know why. What is it about Obama that intimidates you so much?

Stick to the real issues at hand like you did with the perfect president thread.

EWWWW I am not going to vote for him he was absent...:wtf:
there wouldn't be a candidate clear to run at all if we used your litmus test.

[Psycho4Bud]

How about his plan for the pulling out of Iraq. He stated that the "majority" of troops would be pulled BUT we still had to leave enough troops to guard 100,000 U.S. civilians, our Embassy and Iraqi nationals that were loyal to us. How many troops are going to be more/less left behind. Want to see more U.S. soldiers getting kidnapped, etc....leave them there with a skeleton force.

His plan for early pull-out reminds me of Catholic birth control.....pulling out early may work for a while but not for long.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

Yet another good reason why he shouldn't be President:

Democratic pollsters Stan Greenberg and James Carville issued a direct warning on the driver's license issue in an analysis last month designed to guide Democrats through the treacherous immigration quagmire.

"The findings about driver's licenses are particularly notable," they said. Two-thirds of surveyed voters oppose them, the pollsters found, and the safety argument fails to dent the widespread conviction that granting a driver's license rewards illegal behavior.

But it will definitely work with Latinos, said John Trasviña, president of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund. "Clinton and (Sen. John) Edwards have said no driver's licenses for unauthorized immigrants," Trasviña said. "Sen. Obama has said you get a driver's license if you know how to drive. And that message I think will resonate in the Latino community as we get closer to California."
Obama takes big risk on driver's license issue (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/28/MNH1UL57Q.DTL)

2/3 of the country is against this!!

Have a good one!:s4:

[8182KSKUSH]

Blue I think you are the only one that is grumpy. I am sorry it upsets you when poeple challenge what you say or flat out don't agree with you. I hope someday you will see the light.:thumbsup:

It's ironic that people that support libs tend to be the least tolerant people.:D

[FreshNugz]

His plan for early pull-out reminds me of Catholic birth control.....pulling out early may work for a while but not for long.


LMFAO

[BlueCat00]

That photo is really mature there psycho...are you channeling torog? LOL makes you look real smart. :thumbsup:
this is an "S" and this is a "B" two completely different words like ass and class.

Obama has a plan and that is more than I can say for the neocons.

So old wise one WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION to Iraq. It is easy to throw stones at someone else's plan. We all know there are no easy answer for the mess Bush has gotten us into but let's hear yours old swamy of good intentions. I can't wait.

I have missed debating with you by the way. You want to see my Costa Rica pictures? It is paradise there not a McDs or Burger King in sight. No corporate America just wild horses on the beach, sloths in the trees and the smell of weed in the air it was great. :rastasmoke:

[8182KSKUSH]

That photo is really mature there psycho...are you channeling torog? LOL makes you look real smart. :thumbsup:
this is an "S" and this is a "B" two completely different words like ass and class.

Obama has a plan and that is more than I can say for the neocons.

So old wise one WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION to Iraq. It is easy to throw stones at someone else's plan. We all know there are no easy answer for the mess Bush has gotten us into but let's hear yours old swamy of good intentions. I can't wait.

I have missed debating with you by the way. You want to see my Costa Rica pictures? It is paradise there not a McDs or Burger King in sight. No corporate America just wild horses on the beach, sloths in the trees and the smell of weed in the air it was great. :rastasmoke:


If it's so great there and so terrible here.......
Not to mention, you are demanding that Psycho, whom last I checked isn't running for president lay out a Foriegn Policy? Ok, he very well may do that. I don't see what makes you so smart, you have just latched onto a candidate and accepted anything they say as gospel, and don't listen to anything they say that may show inconsistancies with their own positions? Whose the smart one?:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

It's pretty telling when you are debating someone and they just sling half assed personal insults and keep regurgitating rhetoric that you can get off of CNN or MSNBC, as opposed to stating clear ideas. Again, the democratic party, the party of tolerance, as long as you agree with them and do what they say. You need to re-examine your facism claims, and then look more closely at whom you support. :thumbsup:

[BlueCat00]

You said on another thread that you didn't believe my son showed me a clipping that said cops don't get in trouble for keeping peoples stuff when they arrest them....you made it sound as if I was lying. Which was rude.

I have given plenty examples of why I feel the way I do and you'll have to show me where you feel I have skirted any issue as it has not been intentional. I have answered every post even the asinine ones.
You really should hold your judgment until you know a person more. I have always been very politically conscience and involved. I have never been one to follow the crowd. If you read my posts of long ago you'd know that. I was so ANGRY with my country and the neocons that I was really thinking of leaving when Bush made it in for the second time. My son has been up to his knees in blood for 2 damn years now and I have to vote for the person that I believe will get him home to me in one piece. I have a vested interest its not a game for me. This effects my family and my life. I do not take my vote lightly.

You on the other hand have yet to say who you are supporting and why. Just saying who ever wins the most electoral votes is chicken shit don't you have an opinion of your own? Who is being a sheeple now dude?

[BlueCat00]

I actually like Romney as a person but I feel he could easily be intimidated(my opinion) Sometimes he looks really scared to me. Maybe he is not scared just uncomfortable in the hot seat. I don't know. Also I don't want this country run like a business. Rummy tried running the Army like a business and look where it got us.

[8182KSKUSH]

You said on another thread that you didn't believe my son showed me a clipping..

Actually here I have cut and pasted my exact words,
"I would like to read that article. I think it's bull shit too, the "article" that is."So thanks for putting words in my mouth, and show me where in that sentence, it was a 1 sentence responce, that I said I don't believe that your son showed you a clipping? I just stated that I am not taking your word for it WITHOUT being able to verify WHERE the article came from. I then went on to ask you to provide the source so I could READ IT for myself. You then promptly never gave me the source. So now who is lying? And rude?:)


.you made it sound as if I was lying. Which was rude.?

I didn't make you sound like you were lying, but your last post makes you sound like that, it is also rude. If it was a clipping then just let me know from where, I can find it. That's what I was asking. Again, you are obviously grasping at straws here trying to defend yourself by launching yet another personal attack.


.You really should hold your judgment until you know a person more..

Again, SHOW ME, don't misquote me, or make something up. I haven't passed any judgement on you personally, until now.:thumbsup:

.I have always been very politically conscience and involved. I have never been one to follow the crowd. If you read my posts of long ago you'd know that. I was so ANGRY with my country and the neocons that I was really thinking of leaving when Bush made it in for the second time. My son has been up to his knees in blood for 2 damn years now and I have to vote for the person that I believe will get him home to me in one piece...
OK, then vote for a guy that will leave a small number of Americans right in the eye of the storm, and pray that your son isn't one of them. Did he volunteer? I always thought we had a VOLUNTEER military. Why do you think they give them guns and train them to kill?

I have a vested interest its not a game for me. This effects my family and my life. I do not take my vote lightly. ...

You left out 1 word, you have a vested "emotional" intrest. Do you think that you are the only one with loved ones in Iraq? You are letting your emotions cloud your objectivity.:jointsmile:

[BlueCat00]

No way Skush you can have both emotions and objectivity.

BTW my son (I have 3) just came home and the article you said was probably not the truth was from a New York times newspaper from last week and guess what I found it. So can you be a man and admit you were wrong?

New York Times January 23, 2008
Justices Broaden Immunity for Officers
By LINDA GREENHOUSE
WASHINGTON -- Federal law enforcement officers are immune from lawsuits
for mishandling, losing or even stealing personal property that comes
under their control in the course of their official duties, the
Supreme Court ruled on Tuesday in a 5-to-4 decision.

The case was brought by a federal prison inmate, but the ruling was
not limited to the prison context. It was an interpretation of the
Federal Tort Claims Act, which applies to federal employees' liability
for damages and generally waives immunity from being sued.

The statute has numerous exceptions that preserve immunity in
particular situations, however. The exception at issue in the case
provides that "any officer of customs or excise or any other law
enforcement officer" will be immune from suit for "any claim arising
in respect of the assessment or collection of any tax or customs duty
or the detention of any goods, merchandise or other property."

The question was the meaning of the phrase "any other law enforcement
officer." Did Congress mean to confer blanket immunity for property-
related offenses on the part of any federal law enforcement officer?
Or was the immunity limited to officers engaged in tax or customs
work?

The answer was sufficiently ambiguous that of the 11 federal circuits
of appeals to address the issue, six had interpreted the exception as
applying broadly to all officers, and five had read it narrowly to
apply only to property seizures connected to revenue or customs
enforcement.

The Supreme Court majority, in an opinion by Justice Clarence Thomas,
chose the broad interpretation. When Congress enacted the law in 1946,
"it could easily have written 'any other law enforcement officer
acting in a customs or excise capacity,' " Justice Thomas wrote,
adding, "We are not at liberty to rewrite the statute to reflect a
meaning we deem more desirable."

Beyond the holding in the case, Ali v. Federal Bureau of Prisons, No.
06-9130, this first 5-to-4 decision of the current term was notable in
several respects.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote a dissent that was signed by the
three other dissenters, John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter and Stephen
G. Breyer. In the court's last term, Justice Kennedy voted with the
majority in all 24 of the 5-to-4 decisions.

His position on Tuesday meant that the swing vote was cast by Justice
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who in closely divided cases can almost always be
found with Justices Stevens, Souter and Breyer. She did not write
separately to explain her position.

Justice Kennedy said the majority had failed to adhere to longstanding
principles of statutory interpretation, including the rule that "a
single word must not be read in isolation, but instead defined by
reference to its statutory context."

He said the majority had mistakenly focused on the word "any" in the
phrase "any other law enforcement officer," when it was clear from the
context that Congress was discussing only customs and revenue
seizures.

Justice Breyer made a similar point in a dissenting opinion of his
own. "It is context, not a dictionary" that matters the most, he said.

The plaintiff, Abdus-Shahid M. S. Ali, was being transferred from a
federal prison in Atlanta to one in Inez, Ky., and left two duffle
bags of personal property to be shipped. When he received the bags,
religious articles, including two copies of the Koran, were missing.

Valuing the missing items at $177, Mr. Ali filed suit, appealing to
the Supreme Court after the federal appeals court in Atlanta had
dismissed his case in the decision that the justices affirmed. ***

Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

[BlueCat00]

SO they CAN steal your shit and there is NOTHING you can do.

There is no doubt in my mind there will be cops out there that will take full advantage of this.

[8182KSKUSH]

SO they CAN steal your shit and there is NOTHING you can do.

There is no doubt in my mind there will be cops out there that will take full advantage of this.
Did you read this article?
I think you need to re-read that article.
1. This only applys to federal officers, not COPS!
2. COPS, work for you local city government they ARE NOT FEDERAL EMPLOYEES!
3. Just like you did with what I wrote, you read what you wanted to read and made an opinion based on what you "think" you read, not what was actually written. Here is your post ver batum,

"I read an article last week about how cops can keep whatever stuff you have when they arrest you. They can keep it for themselves they don't have to turn it in or give it back! ipod laptop whatever it is theirs. Now that's scary! I have to find that article again my son was showing it to me. What bullshit."
This ruling doesn't really have ANYTHING to do with your local police. So don't worry "dude" your ipod is safe.:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

By the way, your feedback,

"back off dising everything I say you old fart."

proves my point about you. 0 tolerance for anyone that disagrees with you. That's very um....democratic of you!:thumbsup:

[BlueCat00]

Man you are really killing my stone and I am growing weary we can pick this up tomorrow. I live on the border the federal cops are who I deal with and we were not making that distinction. You are one of those guys that will never admit to being wrong. It doesn't take long to get your number.

I'm done and YES you are just a cranky old fart with nothing constructive to say I don't now what you stood to gain by reintegrating that point.

[Psycho4Bud]

That photo is really mature there psycho...are you channeling torog? LOL makes you look real smart. :thumbsup:
this is an "S" and this is a "B" two completely different words like ass and class.

Obama has a plan and that is more than I can say for the neocons.

So old wise one WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION to Iraq. It is easy to throw stones at someone else's plan. We all know there are no easy answer for the mess Bush has gotten us into but let's hear yours old swamy of good intentions. I can't wait.

The FACT that he doesn't show up for votes isn't an issue. But of course why should a persons past work history be considered for a new position.

You wanted real issues? His stance on the war BESIDES his stance on illegals having a driving license and THIS is the best you can come up with? LMAO....o.k. Obama Girl.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

[HerbalConfusion]

his stance on illegals having a driving license.

They can already go to our government run colleges without being legal why not get a license i do think some college students need to drive. I might be wrong did you ever think of a good side to something? If an immigrant can afford getting to the US and buying a car in my opinion he belongs here. The people we are trying to keep out are the meth runners and crime lords not upstanding citizens. I think you just dont want mexicans in our country cause your racist as shown by your obama picture and if your not racist your so unintelligent to the point where you need to use slander and bigotry to belittle someone who is obviously way above you.

[Psycho4Bud]

I think you just dont want mexicans in our country cause your racist as shown by your obama picture and if your not racist your so unintelligent to the point where you need to use slander and bigotry to belittle someone who is obviously way above you.

AWWWW...sorry about the picture. After all the pics I've seen in here regarding the right I would think that the left in here would be a bit more understanding but like always, it's a one way street.

As for the license. So your saying that 2/3 of the United States are biggots? They shouldn't have a license, they shouldn't have access to our colleges or ANY other services provided. THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!! There are proper methods to become a U.S. citizen. MANY other people from other countries have followed this process and are now productive members in our country. As for the rest, they should be deported back to their home countries.

slander
A type of defamation. Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community.

Bluecat wanted issues...I provided them in full. NOTHING slanderous or racist about it at all. The next time you want to label someone in this forum a biggot you damn well better have your facts straight!

Have a good one!:s4:

[rebgirl420]

It seems to me like if you go against Obama or Hillary your either sexist or racist.

It's like, they can use their race and their sex to their advantage but as soon as someone points it out or disagrees then your the one whos racist or whatever.

Black, white, woman, man, it doesn't matter. They are STILL the same lying scumbag politicians, regardless of sex or race. They are no better than the 65 year old white guy. Their the same freaking thing, and if they talk you into believing that they are for "change" or any of that crap then you sir/ma'm should NOT be voting.

[dragonrider]

Black, white, woman, man, it doesn't matter. They are STILL the same lying scumbag politicians, regardless of sex or race. They are no better than the 65 year old white guy. Their the same freaking thing, and if they talk you into believing that they are for "change" or any of that crap then you sir/ma'm should NOT be voting.

I'm tired of being lied to by white guys. I want to be lied to by a black guy or a woman for a change!

[rebgirl420]

Hahaha that seems to be the reasonable thinking these days.

[thcbongman]

Bills usually have a stigmata attached to them. Even if the main section of the bill is in alignment with their political beliefs, there could be a passage that states funding of a certain department would be increased/slashed that would have absolutely nothing to do with the bill in the first place.

Unless you look at every single bill along with their voting record, it's hard to say that Obama was a bad senator because he refused to vote 117 times. Much of the time, bills are political traps.

[rebgirl420]

Bills usually have a stigmata attached to them. Even if the main section of the bill is in alignment with their political beliefs, there could be a passage that states funding of a certain department would be increased/slashed that would have absolutely nothing to do with the bill in the first place.

Unless you look at every single bill along with their voting record, it's hard to say that Obama was a bad senator because he refused to vote 117 times. Much of the time, bills are political traps.

That's very true. With all the last minute ear marks and such.





Which reminds me. Remember how the Democrats promised to cut down on ear marks after bashing republicans. Well it's funny to point out that since they have been in office the number of ear marks has increased significally.

Just thought i'd point that out. The president may have a 25% approval rating but the Dems are doing no better. They are just about equal!

Poll: Congress, Bush share low approval - Politics - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18612770/)

[dragonrider]

Bills usually have a stigmata attached to them.
....
Unless you look at every single bill along with their voting record, it's hard to say that Obama was a bad senator because he refused to vote 117 times.

Stigmata? Hell, if a bill were bleeding from its hands like Christ at the crucifiction, I'd refuse to vote too!

A stingma I might be able to overlook, but not a stigmata...

[thcbongman]

Stigmata? Hell, if a bill were bleeding from its hands like Christ at the crucifiction, I'd refuse to vote too!

A stingma I might be able to overlook, but not a stigmata...

lol! Oh, that's a stingma! Checked my hands, no stigmata.

[Psycho4Bud]

I'm tired of being lied to by white guys. I want to be lied to by a black guy or a woman for a change!

CLASSIC! This has to be the post of the day!!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

[dragonrider]

Stigmata? Hell, if a bill were bleeding from its hands like Christ at the crucifiction, I'd refuse to vote too!

A stingma I might be able to overlook, but not a stigmata...


lol! Oh, that's a stingma! Checked my hands, no stigmata.

Well, it looks like none of us can get this word right! I misspelled it too. It's stigma.

I feel like Porky Pig. "The bill's got a sti-, sti-, sti-, stig-, stig- ... uh, baggage."

[rebgirl420]

Well, it looks like none of us can get this word right! I misspelled it too. It's stigma.

I feel like Porky Pig. "The bill's got a sti-, sti-, sti-, stig-, stig- ... uh, baggage."

Heheheh

[thcbongman]

lol! This thread is a classic!

[FreshNugz]

nicer without the fighting....but then again, this is a political forum. hard to avoid.

[thcbongman]

That's very true. With all the last minute ear marks and such.





Which reminds me. Remember how the Democrats promised to cut down on ear marks after bashing republicans. Well it's funny to point out that since they have been in office the number of ear marks has increased significally.

Just thought i'd point that out. The president may have a 25% approval rating but the Dems are doing no better. They are just about equal!

Poll: Congress, Bush share low approval - Politics - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18612770/)

Ah, the games on capitol hill. It all comes to picking your poison!

[dragonrider]

Heheheh

Ha ha! Great picture!

[HerbalConfusion]

It seems to me like if you go against Obama or Hillary your either sexist or racist.

It's like, they can use their race and their sex to their advantage but as soon as someone points it out or disagrees then your the one whos racist or whatever.

Black, white, woman, man, it doesn't matter. They are STILL the same lying scumbag politicians, regardless of sex or race. They are no better than the 65 year old white guy. Their the same freaking thing, and if they talk you into believing that they are for "change" or any of that crap then you sir/ma'm should NOT be voting.

No thats not it at all he removed the picture he posted a pic that made obama look like osama bin laden.

[FreshNugz]

I agree with you Reb. No candidate is different from the typical 65 yr old white man who "looks like president".



Just as a canadian observer:
I did notice that Obama seems to say the word "change" about 400 times each time he speaks. Lacking as part of his oration is WHAT he will change. Most times he gives that democrat yes/no answer...
On another note, I hope people aren't voting solely on the appearance of these candidates. Not that I have a say(though I should considering your country's influence)but I do feel a certain sense of will to vote for Hillary. That said.. I'm happy to see a woman with a chance to lead in my lifetime, but I wouldn't vote for here solely on that.
I wish to god that Ron Paul had a chance, but he doesn't because he is rudely shut out by all major media.
So, knowing the dems will take it, comes down to the lesser of two evils. And that is Hilary.
Sorry Obama fans, but he is dangerously inexperienced...certainly not capable of running the world...cough..i mean...america. yes.

[Psycho4Bud]

So, knowing the dems will take it, comes down to the lesser of two evils. And that is Hilary.
Sorry Obama fans, but he is dangerously inexperienced...certainly not capable of running the world...cough..i mean...america. yes.

At this point.....neither of them will see the White House unless they go to visit.

Have a good one!:s4:

[BlueCat00]

Gee looks like quite a few people feel the same way I do about Obama. We just raised 5 million dollars in less than 2 days.

We had to get a bigger room AGAIN...BOTH Washington State newspapers are endorsing OBAMA

The young and the educated are voting OBAMA.

[Psycho4Bud]

He's still behind Clinton in delegates:Election Center 2008: Delegate Scorecard - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/)

As for the money.....Ron Paul raised over $6 mill. in a day. So what's the point? I'm sure, like every politician, he enjoys watching people throw their money out the window in their behalf.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

O.k........I'm off but when I come back I expect REASONABLE DISCUSSION. If not.......screw it. Club Gitmo open your lovely gates! I've deleted enough POSTS in here tonight.....next time it'll be the poster/s.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Rusty Trichome]

Hillary seems to be going thru some changes. In the right light,
she's looking more and more like a HillBilly.
Actually, I can now see where Chelsea gets her
good looks from...

[Psycho4Bud]

Hillary seems to be going thru some changes. In the right light,
she's looking more and more like a HillBilly.

More changes than you ever thought.........

Have a good one!:s4:

[Rusty Trichome]

Too funny. :thumbsup:

[dragonrider]

LMFAO:wtf:

Kush! We finally agree on something! Ha ha ha ha!

[8182KSKUSH]

My ballot gets mailed to me, then I fill it out and mail it in. Easy.

[dragonrider]

Did a whole series of posts get deleted out of this thread? Last time I checked there was a crazy person here. Did I just majke it up? Am I the crazy person?

[8182KSKUSH]

Did a whole series of posts get deleted out of this thread? Last time I checked there was a crazy person here. Did I just majke it up? Am I the crazy person?

I think someone was having an identity crisis or something?:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

I think someone was having an identity crisis or something?:jointsmile:

Yeah, some kid that was 100 years old.........welcome to Club Gitmo. :D

Have a good one!:s4:

[8182KSKUSH]

Get ready for WATERBOARDING!!!

[Psycho4Bud]

Get ready for WATERBOARDING!!!

Waterboarding? Nah, we're into ski-jets.:D

And for your viewing pleasure.....the Obama pic of the day.

Have a good one!:s4:

[8182KSKUSH]

Waterboarding? Nah, we're into ski-jets.:D

And for your viewing pleasure.....the Obama pic of the day.

Have a good one!:s4:

Ok that is CLASSIC!!!! LMMFAO! That is a nutty coincidence!!! He looks just like Barney!!

[Rusty Trichome]

What is it about Obama that intimidates you so much?

It's not about intimidation. It's about trust. I do not trust him. It's about from what direction he guides his principles.
His church, his cut-n-run mentality (yet he said he wants to attack Pakistan) His views on taxes, his stance on healthcare.
Guess I could Google more issues, but this is what I can think of off the top of my head.

[Psycho4Bud]

Not to mention Kenya....if he was elected you can bet your ass that we'd have some sort of dumbass peace keeping mission going on there.

The book ends with an emotional moment in which Sen. Obama visits his father's grave. The Democratic candidate seems to have embraced the multi-cultural and multi-religious nature of his roots. His father, his grandmother and most of his family members in Kenya are Muslims.

And while they try to devote attention to their most famous kin's life, they are also disappointed by the recent turn toward violence in Kenya. The normally peaceful country has been shaken by mobs of rioters angry over the disputed presidential election.

The Obamas say they don't recognize Kenya in the images of despair now being beamed around the world.

"We expected Kenya to be a beacon of hope in this region," says Said Obama, the senator's uncle. "But again, politicians are politicians."


But Said Obama says his nephew is different.

"Because he is coming from a very humble background he will understand people coming from such a situation, in poverty."
In Kenya, Obama's relatives 'pray' for victory - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/07/kenya.obama.relatives/)

Have a good one!:s4:

[thcbongman]

Gee looks like quite a few people feel the same way I do about Obama. We just raised 5 million dollars in less than 2 days.

We had to get a bigger room AGAIN...BOTH Washington State newspapers are endorsing OBAMA

The young and the educated are voting OBAMA.

Don't represent all of us. I am certain I'm not voting for Obama.

He has shown nothing but empty rhetoric. He refuses to take firm stands on issues. He refuses to outline any true plan for his so called "change." It's the same lies told by any politician OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

To be honest with you, you are buying into his words while condemning the other candidates for the empty rhetoric.

[8182KSKUSH]

Yeah, I think that young and "educated" is probably going out on a limb. I don't see how the "educated" could support someone that just talks alot of shit and swallows spit.:D

[8182KSKUSH]

Islamic terrorist facists raise lots of money too! They also have large numbers of people that support them. They also believe that they are "educated".:D

[8182KSKUSH]

They also use alot of empty rhetoric, I think they are using the same playbook that the dems use actually.

It's also very weak to say that the "young and educated" are voting for him, as if to say that only uneducated people can't seem to figure out that they should vote for him. PUKE!!:wtf:

[8182KSKUSH]

I know plenty of uneducated turds that want to vote for him by the way!:D

[thcbongman]

They also use alot of empty rhetoric, I think they are using the same playbook that the dems use actually.

It's also very weak to say that the "young and educated" are voting for him, as if to say that only uneducated people can't seem to figure out that they should vote for him. PUKE!!:wtf:

I believe both democrats and republicans milk the playbook as much as can without breaking the law. Hell both sides enter the grey area sometimes. For example, the use of the filibuster. Republicans used it often during the Clinton sex scandal, democrats cried foul. Then the democrats used it with Supreme Justice John Roberts was being confirmed, the republicans cried foul. The tactics are the same because of the election laws that shape them give too much advantage to these two electoral organizations. There has to be more parties that can churn different type of candidates. The pool isn't diverse enough. That's why I'm having a hard time choosing a candidate to vote for this year. All the final choices turned out to be weak.

[dragonrider]

I know plenty of uneducated turds that want to vote for him by the way!:D

The turd vote is a prized demographic that all candidates vie for.

[8182KSKUSH]

The turd vote is a prized demographic that all candidates vie for.

It really does sound about right!! The Turd Vote. They are turning out the Turd Vote!! LMFAO!:S2::thumbsup:

[cjshamrock]

this is strange... I thought there would be a lot more Obama supporters here in this forum... I don't know, but I'd like a president like that in my country. Anyway, IMHO he would be the only candidate willing to decriminalize weed or at least make the penalties less harsh.

[rebgirl420]

this is strange... I thought there would be a lot more Obama supporters here in this forum... I don't know, but I'd like a president like that in my country. Anyway, IMHO he would be the only candidate willing to decriminalize weed or at least make the penalties less harsh.

He's not for decrimilization OR making the penalties less. Why does everyone think this? He has flip flopped and up right refused to answer questions about pot and all it's sub categories.

[8182KSKUSH]

LMFAO!!!:S2::S2::S2:
Osama Policy Points
"Let's get it done"
"Yes we can"
"Change"
"Our time is now"
"Skiddy de bop de boo"
But the energy is amazing!:D:S2::S2::S2:

Those are clearly very specific positions that suggest that he will.....
lose.
It's funny that Billary wants to "debate" him. Like she thinks that she will expose the fact that he hasn't proposed any specific plans, she better be careful, her half of the Turd Vote may realize that she doesn't have any specific plans or ideas either! The difference between the 2 seems to be about the size of a gnat's ass hair. Neither one of them has any kind of plan for anything. They are just pandering to their #1 block of voters, the "Turd Vote".

[rebgirl420]

All of this talk reminds me of the South Park, "Douche vs. Turd Sandwich" episode.

Because no matter who you vote for, it's either going to be a douche or a turd sandwich.

Douche and Turd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche_and_Turd)

[thcbongman]

this is strange... I thought there would be a lot more Obama supporters here in this forum... I don't know, but I'd like a president like that in my country. Anyway, IMHO he would be the only candidate willing to decriminalize weed or at least make the penalties less harsh.

I noticed that the politics forum has gotten really conservative in recent times.

[Beefer86]

I noticed that the politics forum has gotten really conservative in recent times.

Id bet that this site has cracked down on underage users and the older people on here generally are more moderate. Seems like a sound enough explanation to me at least, lol.

[thcbongman]

Id bet that this site has cracked down on underage users and the older people on here generally are more moderate. Seems like a sound enough explanation to me at least, lol.

lol, it almost like you were there!

[8182KSKUSH]

lol, it almost like you were there!


What are you guys talking about? he was almost where? what do you mean?:)

[thcbongman]

What are you guys talking about? he was almost where? what do you mean?:)

This site was quite different before some rule changes, and age crackdown. I'm sure psycho has alot of tales to tell you about how the politic forum use to be. Some interesting characters for sure!

[8182KSKUSH]

This site was quite different before some rule changes, and age crackdown. I'm sure psycho has alot of tales to tell you about how the politic forum use to be. Some interesting characters for sure!

Gotcha:thumbsup:

[Psycho4Bud]

This site was quite different before some rule changes, and age crackdown. I'm sure psycho has alot of tales to tell you about how the politic forum use to be. Some interesting characters for sure!

Where to start? LMAO!!! I'd mention some names and tell some tales but I don't think that would be right.

This forum swings from month to month it seems. It'll be heavy right for a while then left for a while. I recall about two months ago it was pretty much just Rebgirl and myself keeping up the faith in here. LOL

We also demand that people have a good debate without the flame wars.......seems that some people can't hold their anger back.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Breukelen advocaat]

This site was quite different before some rule changes, and age crackdown. I'm sure psycho has alot of tales to tell you about how the politic forum use to be. Some interesting characters for sure!

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/39238-professor-thinks-bombs-not-planes-toppled-wtc.html

Tip: Skip over pissheads long posts.

[ldg420]

it's funny how when "rule changes" take pace to get rid of the underage people; common sense tends to be heard and expressed a lot more........basically I mean that when you remove the adolescence(ignorance) from the equation; common, logical sense can prevail.......:stoned:

[rebgirl420]

Where to start? LMAO!!! I'd mention some names and tell some tales but I don't think that would be right.

This forum swings from month to month it seems. It'll be heavy right for a while then left for a while. I recall about two months ago it was pretty much just Rebgirl and myself keeping up the faith in here. LOL
We also demand that people have a good debate without the flame wars.......seems that some people can't hold their anger back.

Have a good one!:s4:

You bet your ass! :thumbsup: