Seedlings 10 days old- a log

[denial102]

Hi guys, I am a new member here, since a few weeks ago, I have read many of the articles and FAQ's and I apologise if this is covered somewhere else on the forum (I have looked, honest ;-)

Having some BIG PROBLEMS - with my seedlings, they've just turned 10 days old. They germinated in 24 hours thanks to much great love from me! They have recently been transplated because they seemed to be unhappy under a 400 Watt HPS grolux lamp.. I have been extremely careful and have a careful 26Celsius AC ensuring they don't burn.

They have only been under the HPS about 5 days of the whole 10 they've been growing, and after the first 2 days the leaves got so big (or heavy) that it seemed to make the whole few leaves (tops) of the lil plants bend over to the soil floor.

I've read in a lot of posts that giving them too much water causes root rott etc, but I am finding I am watering them almost several times a day because the HPS really do tend to try them out. (maybe i should have went hydroponic :( ).

My question is:
should i be watering these 10 day old seedlings several times a day now they are through the germinating process, I keep on being told by friends I should water them more often! Is this true? Or are they spindley because I am overwatering them.

Since there is no leaf damage and they look dead healthy other than the fact they've flopped (stem) down the soil almost..

I'm assuming that i've not done any root damage!

One other thing. Should I be worried about putting these 10 day old lil things under HPS 24 hours?

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks :-)

[keeko]

dont listen to your friends. you should be watering only when the soil is semi dry, about once every 3-4 days.

the hps is fine, just dont get it too close at such an early stage

[Mr. Clandestine]

What size pot did you transplant into? If it's just an 6-8" (or smaller) pot, you can expect the HPS to dry out the soil out quicker. The sprouts are taking in as much water as they can, and generally the heat makes a difference. Even with an AC unit helping to control the climate in the room, if it's not making the small distance from the light to the seedlings the same ambient temperature, even a slight elevation in heat will cause more evaporation.

If you're using a lot of perlite or vermiculite, or a good deal of any other aerating agent, you'll end up watering more frequently. If this is the case, some peat moss - or a similar moisture retaining substance - should be added the next time you transplant...but you should be careful how much transplanting you do. It's easy to shock the roots by doing it too much. I transplant twice; from 4" germination pots to 10" pots, and then later to a 5 gallon bucket when I know what's going to be staying.

One last thing, make sure the light isn't too close to the tops of the plants by using the back of your hand. You're going to want to get that HPS as close to the plants as possible to reduce stretching. Seedlings can stretch easily, which will generally lead to them falling over. When this happens, I like to make temporary stakes using about six inches of a clothes hanger and bending a horizontal "U" shape on one end. Helps you from having to tie any thread or string around the expanding stem.

Good luck with your grow! :jointsmile:

[denial102]

dont listen to your friends. you should be watering only when the soil is semi dry, about once every 3-4 days.

the hps is fine, just dont get it too close at such an early stage

Thanks for the advice keeko, I agree pretty much every few days for most seedlings, this issue really is dependant on the pot size, so I apologise for not saying.. pictures below


What size pot did you transplant into? If it's just an 6-8" (or smaller) pot, you can expect the HPS to dry out the soil out quicker. The sprouts are taking in as much water as they can, and generally the heat makes a difference. Even with an AC unit helping to control the climate in the room, if it's not making the small distance from the light to the seedlings the same ambient temperature, even a slight elevation in heat will cause more evaporation.

If you're using a lot of perlite or vermiculite, or a good deal of any other aerating agent, you'll end up watering more frequently. If this is the case, some peat moss - or a similar moisture retaining substance - should be added the next time you transplant...but you should be careful how much transplanting you do. It's easy to shock the roots by doing it too much. I transplant twice; from 4" germination pots to 10" pots, and then later to a 5 gallon bucket when I know what's going to be staying.

One last thing, make sure the light isn't too close to the tops of the plants by using the back of your hand. You're going to want to get that HPS as close to the plants as possible to reduce stretching. Seedlings can stretch easily, which will generally lead to them falling over. When this happens, I like to make temporary stakes using about six inches of a clothes hanger and bending a horizontal "U" shape on one end. Helps you from having to tie any thread or string around the expanding stem.

Good luck with your grow! :jointsmile:

I am not sure of the exact pot size, but I know its quite big! :cool:

Truth be told these were germinated in tissue and then as they popped (~12hours) they were placed in the biobizz all which is a wee bit strong for them I admit, but they seem to have done okay. As you can see they are a bit spindley and they were transplanted from very small cutting pots into this big mammoth, I may keep all 3 in the 1 pot and make it `mother` or later transplant (so thats 2 transplants altogether, if I don't make these mothers' right?) :-)

BTW: Currently in limited space at the moment, as I am still in process of making the grow environment (box or w/e). Thats why they are all in one pot!!

AS you can see from the picture it does look like one of them has been overwatered a bit? Either that or I damaged it slightly planting it. Yesterday I added the straws and (carefully) added wire to hold them lightly in place.. guessing its a case of overwatering , roots, shock to the system, or the HPS light being a bit warm (re one is drooping a bit).

I actually moved the HPS upwards a bit so now it's over 18 inches away (approx 2-2.5 feet now) do you think thats a bit too far away?

Thanks for the advice and good wishes! This is still work in progress so lets see where it goes man!

Thanks,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Denial,


I use a mix that's pretty similar to the Biobizz organic soil. Though I prefer to add a little more perlite to the mix when I'm starting seedlings, and I much prefer to keep the seedlings in individual pots. The roots are eventually going to be competing for space, and I'm not sure how that will affect them. And since you also just transplanted, I don't know how bad another transplant is going to shock your roots. If they were mine, I'd still get them back into a smaller pot and leave them there for a while longer. I'd expect the worst, but hope for the best. It'll be really easy to stunt their growth if handled roughly. Also, if you decide to leave them in the same pot, they only need enough water to saturate the soil surrounding the stem for a little while. You don't want to keep the whole pot saturated, your roots probably aren't even close to the bottom of the pot yet.

As for your stretching, it's most likely happening because of your light. You've got me a little confused about the distance of your light, though. You said approximately 18 inches, or 2-2.5 feet...but 18 inches is 1.5 feet! :jointsmile:

If it's two feet or so from the seedlings, they're stretching to try and receive more light. The light needs to be as close as possible without burning or causing heat stress to them. This balance can be hard to find, and is why I prefer to start seedlings out under CFL light. It's much easier to regulate the ambient temperature of the room this way, and I can get the lights damn near on top of the leaves, keeping stretching to a minimum. I like to let them grow a few sets of leaves before I put them under the HID and fans.

Good luck again, and let us know how things work out for you!

[denial102]

Denial,


I use a mix that's pretty similar to the Biobizz organic soil. Though I prefer to add a little more perlite to the mix when I'm starting seedlings, and I much prefer to keep the seedlings in individual pots. The roots are eventually going to be competing for space, and I'm not sure how that will affect them. And since you also just transplanted, I don't know how bad another transplant is going to shock your roots. If they were mine, I'd still get them back into a smaller pot and leave them there for a while longer. I'd expect the worst, but hope for the best. It'll be really easy to stunt their growth if handled roughly. Also, if you decide to leave them in the same pot, they only need enough water to saturate the soil surrounding the stem for a little while. You don't want to keep the whole pot saturated, your roots probably aren't even close to the bottom of the pot yet.

Heh, I was going to leave them in this large pot for a few weeks (was desperate and had no other pots to hand).. I was also thinking of transplanting them a total of 3 times.. seemed like a bad idea though. Hmm... growing really can be a complex thing hehe.


Denial,
As for your stretching, it's most likely happening because of your light. You've got me a little confused about the distance of your light, though. You said approximately 18 inches, or 2-2.5 feet...but 18 inches is 1.5 feet! :jointsmile:


Yeah, sorry I actually meant to say I have had it initially at 18 inches, but because I was worried it was heat shocking the plants a bit I moved it up to above 2feet 16 hours ago! They were previously at 18 inches which is of course 1.5 feet which as far as I was concerned (after reading posts here) was considered OK. Still, not sure about that the distance. I actually moved the lamp back down now because I'm convinced it wasn't heat stress making them droop.


Denial,
If it's two feet or so from the seedlings, they're stretching to try and receive more light. The light needs to be as close as possible without burning or causing heat stress to them. This balance can be hard to find, and is why I prefer to start seedlings out under CFL light. It's much easier to regulate the ambient temperature of the room this way, and I can get the lights damn near on top of the leaves, keeping stretching to a minimum. I like to let them grow a few sets of leaves before I put them under the HID and fans.

Good luck again, and let us know how things work out for you!

OK well we're at about 18 inches again with adequate cooling, it will be interesting to see how they go, i'll post a pic at some point.

I did indeed though not start with the ideal set of circumstances ;-) Thanks for the advice I really do appreciate it, thanks for the goodluck - I will let you know!

Denial

[stinkyattic]

Red-spectrum lighting encourages stretch and isn't ideal for seedlings. Personally I prefer blue-spectrum flouros for seedlings because of the better light color and the simple fact that it's harder to overheat them.
Only one plant per pot next time.
And you can add soil to those seedlings RIGHT up to the cotyledons. The stem below the first node is capable of growing roots if given soil to root into.

[denial102]

Red-spectrum lighting encourages stretch and isn't ideal for seedlings. Personally I prefer blue-spectrum flouros for seedlings because of the better light color and the simple fact that it's harder to overheat them.
Only one plant per pot next time.

Thanks for the advice stinky much appreciated. I thought the grolux offered enough of both for both vegetation and flowering, but I guess seedlings react a bit different than in the stages of veg and flowering? well, that was the reason why I went with the grolux, quickly finding everyone has an opinion, I've read a lot of your posts stinky, so I owe you a debt of thanks already!



And you can add soil to those seedlings RIGHT up to the cotyledons. The stem below the first node is capable of growing roots if given soil to root into.

Someone (sigh :( ) told me that if I put the soil over too much of the stem it'd rott, is that BS?) - *goes to google cotyledons*

Update: have been reading No Those Are Not Baby Plant Wings: Cotyledon Leaves (http://www.thisgardenisillegal.com/2007/04/no-those-are-not-baby-plant-wings.html) it was quite helpful for anyone else that might want to benefit from it!

Thanks again ;-)

Denial

[stinkyattic]

Someone (sigh :( ) told me that if I put the soil over too much of the stem it'd rott, is that BS?) l
Nope. The cotyledons are the first little round seed leaves that come out. The entire stem below them can functionally be considered almost an extension of the taproot, and is as happy underground as above it. If you put soil over a part of the stem ABOVE the seed-leaves, which is designed to be only ABOVE ground, then you can indeed get rot.

[denial102]

Nope. The cotyledons are the first little round seed leaves that come out. The entire stem below them can functionally be considered almost an extension of the taproot, and is as happy underground as above it. If you put soil over a part of the stem ABOVE the seed-leaves, which is designed to be only ABOVE ground, then you can indeed get rot.

Thanks for clearing that up chap, I will enjoy telling my knowitall friend he was mistaken ;-)

Will keep you guys informed as to the progress!

Peace,
Denial

[stinkyattic]

Thanks for clearing that up chap, I will enjoy telling my knowitall friend he was mistaken ;-)

He's only mistaken halfway. Soil above any node=stem rots. Soil below first node= stem grows roots.

[denial102]

He's only mistaken halfway. Soil above any node=stem rots. Soil below first node= stem grows roots.

good point, he was there when i was transplanting them and he was saying how not to put them up to the first leaves because it'd rott! It upsets me a tidbit since thats not the case as if I had buried the stems a bit more we wouldn't have to tie them, and i'd imagine, the plant'd be a bit stronger.

Nevermind ;-)

[denial102]

some pics @ 13 days :D

[PharmaCan]

Thanks for clearing that up chap,
Peace,
Denial

Just an FYI - that would be chapette, or chapess - Stinky is a girl. :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

[dontbugme]

How much water should you give plants?

I know people that use a couple bottleed water capfuls every day, thats it.

When you start to veg a plant, how do you know how much water to use? Do you water it till water starts to leak out into the plate or what?

[dontbugme]

that should say a couple capfuls for seedlings

[Rusty Trichome]

Only one plant per pot next time.
And you can add soil to those seedlings RIGHT up to the cotyledons. The stem below the first node is capable of growing roots if given soil to root into.
I do it almost every grow. I don't know if it's necessary or helpful, but I spray the stem with water, then 'tap' some rooting hormone onto it before burying. Can CAREFULLY transplant each individual plant deeper into it's own pot, too. Also...got a fan on them? It'll make the plant strengthen it's stem, to stand-up against the breeze.
Looks like this:


. . . . . . . . . . . Before. . . . . . . . . . . . After

[denial102]

Just an FYI - that would be chapette, or chapess - Stinky is a girl. :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

ahh my bad :) Things looking good here now thanks for the help I'll keep you guys updated!

Denial

[denial102]

if anyones wondering its red hair!

[denial102]

A quick pic 14 days in. I think they are getting a bit toasty or they are still recovering from mild overwatering.

I am quite proud how strong they looking!

Peace,
Denial

[hybridlove420]

2 things:

1) they are big enought that you MUST give them thier own containers before they strangle eachother

2) it appears they are lit by a very orange glow. is it hps or warm flourescents? either way, buy at least 4 daylight cfls and use those instead, or else theyll stretch horribly

[denial102]

Hi hybridlove ;)

To answer your questions
1) Yeah... you're right, I am a bit limited on space but giving serious consideration to giving them their own pots.
2) As I said it is a HPS Grolux with blue and reds which is ideal for people like me who want a bulb they can use through veg to flowering.. it's 400 watts and it's approx 18 inches away, I don't think I should be worried about stretching @ 18inches? no? :-)

I am quite worried about transplanting again.. but you are indeed right regarding the pots :-( I need to finish the grow box first really. Any other advice is welcome by the way, how do the plants look? healthyish? Less water perhaps? If I put my finger 1 inch deep in the soil or at the bottom of the pot it is damp.

Thanks a lot hybrid and others who have taken the time to comment,
Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Hey Denial,

Those plants are reacting just fine to the HPS. Later on down the road you can always get a conversion MH bulb, but what you have now will work just fine for veg. Keep the light as close as possible without stressing the plants, and you'll keep the stretching as minimal as possible.

Those plants are looking healthy, but I think you're going to need to make a decision concerning another transplant pretty soon. It won't be long until those roots are intertwined, if they aren't already. As you can imagine, ripping the roots apart to separate into individual containers is most likely going to cause mild-severe stunting...and possibly deformed growth for a while. If the damage is severe enough, it could kill the plant altogether.

A last-ditch option for using a single container could be to wait until the plants are mature enough, then force-flower them. If two of them happen to be males (or one female is much more vigorous than the others), you can dispose of them and allow the female the much needed container space. Switch back to veg lighting, if you wish, and grow the one known female out some more before flowering.

If more than one ends up being female, maybe there are other options available. This'll definitely need to be a question for someone more knowledgeable about cloning than myself, but I wonder what would happen if you tried to clone an entire female plant that has been snipped at the base of the main stem? If it's theoretically possible, maybe you could still end up flowering them all in separate containers without having to disturb the roots you have now. Just a thought. Either way, I wish you the best with this grow and the others that follow. :jointsmile:

[denial102]

wow dude, some really good points there. Yeah, I am seriously considering taking these out and repotting them. If not now, once I get the box room ready for it. I considered using the 3 plants as a "big momma" for all the cuttings and flower it at the end as an experiment. you know, super dense packing. etc.

Well, the idea of cutting some off at the stem and transplanting hsa really got me thinking, a bit of clonex and that could be made a reality easily. The only thing that'd concern me is the initial heat trauma under the HPS without a proper root system - it'll be a whole case of leave the hps on it/move it further away OR sit and pray ;-)

things are coming along I 'guess

Thanks so much for the advice. I'll let you all know what I decide to go with, as for anyone else who is an expert, what do you think I should do?

Important Notes: goddamn they are starting to smell already! *where is that rvk100A I need to find the money for so badly?!*

[denial102]

god damnit I'm itching to try and transplant two out ;( but got a bad feeling i'm going to kill all 3 :( Has anyone got any guidance/moral support lol


Denial

[Rusty Trichome]

Let the soil dry-out a bit, have the new pots, soil and ph'd water ready. Gently tap the transplants out of the pot, lightly spray the roots with water, and gently seperate them from the soil ball, one at a time. Lightly mist the roots again, to prevent moisture loss and air pruning of the roots.

When prepping for transplanting, I add damp, not wet, soil to bottom and cake it all around the sides of the new pot. I place the seedling in, visualizing my leaving only 1/4 to 1/2 inches below the cotlydons, yet filling the container to about 1/2" from the top. (for future waterings)
Total plant height after transplant...about 1".
After visualizing how deep I want it, I collapse the dirt that is caked around sides, around and over the top of the roots. Then gently pack more soil. Do not pack so hard that it'll break or over-compress the roots. Water and grow as usual.
99% sucess rate.
HTH

[denial102]

thanks a lot for the help rusty_trichome, I'll owe you one! Well, if I can get it to work. I'm going to let this cycle finish off I think, get a few hours sleep and give this a try.. oh man. :)

Also got another seedling on the way incase this dies :-(

Wish me luck.


Peace,
Denial

[stinkyattic]

god damnit I'm itching to try and transplant two out ;( but got a bad feeling i'm going to kill all 3

At this point I usually advise people NOT to try to break up the plants. When you re-pot, train them AWAY from each other. When males show, DON'T yank them; cut them off instead.

[Rusty Trichome]

At this point I usually advise people NOT to try to break up the plants. When you re-pot, train them AWAY from each other. When males show, DON'T yank them; cut them off instead.
Not that I'm arguing, but it works for me.
When times warrant, I will start two seeds per 1 cup pot, just to make sure all the pots have at least one seedling. I keep them this way till I transplant into a 1 gallon pot, at which time I coax the small rootball apart, and re-pot into seperate pots. Kinda like an insurance policy. I hate bare spots under the lighs.
Have gently done it many, many times. No worse that skewering the roots with a bamboo stake, trying to find the right position for it. Yes, I usually hear some roots 'snap', but I try and keep it to a minimum, and very rarely see any problems as a result.
Granted, you don't want to just rip 'em apart, but I would much rather seperate them before they grow up mainly because the dying roots of the cut-down plant start to rot, don't they?

[denial102]

just as I was going to do it too!! I will have a look at them and weigh up everyones advice, thankyou very much!

I'm a little worried about yield, so I may just use these 3 as mothers and take cuttings for the other pots, and see if i can do a perpetual grow.. guess I'll need to get a CFL and a seperate room for the mother..

Thanks again, more pictures on the way soon!
Denial

[denial102]

Hi guys.. Well I did the transplant.. oh my definately a fair bit of root damage from my beefy hand pulling them up.. I know a lot of root did survive, anyway.. after i pulled the first one out (that was the furthest away from the other 2) I decided that I would settle with transplanting one out only as I have a near? 50:50 chance that one of the other two will be male and I can kill it as soon as I know.

Thanks a lot for the guidance.. I'm actually considering putting some clonex watered down in the water and feeding it to them all, they will probably need it.

A big :thumbsup: to all you homies, without you I would have nobody to share the love!

going to wash my hands and take a picture :)

Thanks again
Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

Hello Guys, I did promise didn't I? :-)

Pics @ Day 16


Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

they have now been watered with 3ml clonex to 1 litre water

3/1000 = 0.03%

Hope this is not too much :-) Should just take care of any crazy root damage I did! Well, that is the idea :)

Even the germinating seeds got a teeeny bit!

[denial102]

they seem to be through the woods, good job people :) :thumbsup:

[Mr. Clandestine]

they seem to be through the woods, good job people :) :thumbsup:

I think you should be congratulating yourself...you did all the work! :thumbsup:

[denial102]

I think you should be congratulating yourself...you did all the work! :thumbsup:

thanks homes, I got a picture for day 20 veg! Things are coming along nicely, the plant I removed has stunted growth, but that okay, it recovering and hasn't had any major problems at all.

I do have a question though if anyone can help. I want to top these, the strain is red hair skunk, it's F2 and I want to be cautious, how many nodes should I wait for, and where exactly should I cut, just above the highest node, isn't it? ahh, it has been too long since I've done this. Any advice welcome.

PS: I Did search the faqs but couldn't find a good guide with pictures, anyone know a good faq with pics on the forum?


Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

I want to top these, the strain is red hair skunk, it's F2 and I want to be cautious, how many nodes should I wait for, and where exactly should I cut, just above the highest node, isn't it?

Hey chief,

I wouldn't clip them before they have at least four sets of leaves. After that, if topping is the way you want to go, just clip right above the last node...or slightly into the new growth. (A.k.a., the "FIM" technique.)

I'll try attaching some pictures, but seeing that I'm technologically impaired, you may just have to follow the links in this thread I found:

FIM - Ending The Confusion (http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/135065-fim-ending-confusion.html)

Since you're going to be growing two from the same container, you'll probably also want to think about doing some LST. That pot's going to get mighty crowded. Looking good, by the way. Keep the updates coming!

[denial102]

Hey chief,

I wouldn't clip them before they have at least four sets of leaves. After that, if topping is the way you want to go, just clip right above the last node...or slightly into the new growth. (A.k.a., the "FIM" technique.)

I'll try attaching some pictures, but seeing that I'm technologically impaired, you may just have to follow the links in this thread I found:

FIM - Ending The Confusion (http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/135065-fim-ending-confusion.html)

Since you're going to be growing two from the same container, you'll probably also want to think about doing some LST. That pot's going to get mighty crowded. Looking good, by the way. Keep the updates coming!

Thanks Mr Clandestine, you have been very helpful to me, good man! :jointsmile::thumbsup:

The two plants intub together are on their 3rd or 4th set I think, i'll wait a few days till the 5th or 6th and give it a try :-)

dude, these things are stinking, Ima gonna have to get a carbonf ilter nowww.. now where is that money again! hehehe

AHA! Yeah, I'm already considering LST tieing on the two in together, cause they not gonna be much light if they growing into eachother. I'm also impressed with the additional bud sites that appear with this LST stuff.

Thanks again homes

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Thanks Mr Clandestine, you have been very helpful to me, good man! :jointsmile::thumbsup:

My pleasure, my friend! Growing my own medicine has become much more than a passing hobby for me, so I'm eager to try and help out whenever I can. I'm glad I was able to help.


dude, these things are stinking, Ima gonna have to get a carbonf ilter nowww.. now where is that money again! hehehe

Haha! That sweet, sweet funk...it stinks so good, doesn't it? Here are a few odor reduction ideas for folks on a budget:

DIY- Inexpensive odour neutraliser (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/59316-diy-inexpensive-odour-neutraliser.html)

How To - Carbon Filter (http://boards.cannabis.com/growroom-setup/90173-how-carbon-filter.html)

[denial102]

My pleasure, my friend! Growing my own medicine has become much more than a passing hobby for me, so I'm eager to try and help out whenever I can. I'm glad I was able to help.



Haha! That sweet, sweet funk...it stinks so good, doesn't it? Here are a few odor reduction ideas for folks on a budget:

DIY- Inexpensive odour neutraliser (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/59316-diy-inexpensive-odour-neutraliser.html)

How To - Carbon Filter (http://boards.cannabis.com/growroom-setup/90173-how-carbon-filter.html)

haha thanks dude, would it surprise you that I've already read both?! hotdamn! I'm really tempted to buy a premade dude... will cost more but bah I will have to afford it.

Thinking budbox XL and a rvk100a, not sure yet though..


peace,
Denial

[denial102]

Quick update! Slight yellowing, but I think it is the light being warm, slight overwatering due to high transpiration and the allmix being a bit strong for it in it's early days.


If anyone has any advice go fer it homes,

oh by the way, looks like these are ladies, I see nice long pistols..
I did take a picture of that too but it came out terrible :(

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

well guys, I tried to take more pictures of the pistols but the camera i have just isnt upto the job of close ups :-(

Peace,
Denial

[ilovetv247]

Definitely wanna get them in their own pots ASAP.

[denial102]

Definitely wanna get them in their own pots ASAP.

I would say read the rest of the thread, but since you've been banned, I'll pass.


heeeeheee

Peace,
Denial

[twoguysupnorth]

transplant them, just be carefull. silly, i know. then when you replant them take stinkys and others advice. plant to just under the lowest set of leaves. i would deffinately be watering by more than capfulls, but make sure to let it dry somewhat in between. a moist, not wet, not dry pot would be the easiest to work with. moisten the new pots soil some too, it will keep the transplanting hole from caving in. lol

oops, if this doesnt make sence i only read the first page.:D

[denial102]

transplant them, just be carefull. silly, i know. then when you replant them take stinkys and others advice. plant to just under the lowest set of leaves. i would deffinately be watering by more than capfulls, but make sure to let it dry somewhat in between. a moist, not wet, not dry pot would be the easiest to work with. moisten the new pots soil some too, it will keep the transplanting hole from caving in. lol

oops, if this doesnt make sence i only read the first page.:D

read the thread man!


Peace,
Denial

[twoguysupnorth]

i did, but only after posting on the first page.

[denial102]

i did, but only after posting on the first page.

aight, well as you may have now read, i've done all the transplanting ima gonna do :-)

Wish me luck man! Things are really looking goood

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

Looks like we have 2 females, yay!

Should I be able to identify sex in beginning of week 4 veg? Maybe I should hold out my judgement til flowering,

Any help appreciated,

Oh one other thing, the yellowing has me a little worried - but, I am holding out because the allmix is a little strong, and I was told to expect it.. Any opinions welcome, I know the infert soil is good for AT LEAST another 2 or 3 weeks before i will add biobizz fert solution into water,

Clandestine: not long now till my first FIM!!!!!! :rastasmoke:

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Clandestine: not long now till my first FIM!!!!!! :rastasmoke:

Good deal, man! Be sure to tack another week or two onto your veg time, so that the plant has time to repair itself before flowering. You could also consider putting those ladies in bondage (LST), to let the sides can catch up to the new tops... if you have the patience to keep vegging, that is. Sometimes I've got the vegetative patience of a saint...other times, especially if my stash is running low, I can't be bothered to be any more patient than I absolutely have to! Your plants should soon be mature enough to show their sex (through pre-flowers), but you might see it quicker if you force them to flower. When I sex entire plants, I switch my main lighting to 12/12 and ease up on any fertilizers containing N for about a week prior. Males are generally discarded, and females get immediately put into a makeshift clone-box I made that has several cool spectrum CFLs running 24 hours a day. After all plants have been sexed, I move them back under the big lights until I'm ready to flower. Next time, you could also think about taking clones to determine who's who. If done correctly, you'll end up with another female plant to grow and eventually smoke!

That last picture looks good, bro. I see the slight yellowing, but I'm still not too confident at diagnosing other peoples problems. Have you done a soil flush yet? I've found that I can avoid a lot of problems in organic grows if I do semi-regular flushes. I try to flush at least once per month. Then I follow it up by feeding with a complete fertilizer at about 1/4 the strength of what it lists on the bottle. This keeps my pH stable, and doesn't let the soil get toxic.

But you may not be suffering from salt buildup, or an imbalanced pH, so I'd recommend heading over to the Plant Problems section and fill out the Troubleshooting form (http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/127058-troubleshooting-form-yay-you-know-you-wanted-one.html). Start a new thread with as much information as you can possibly list, and you should get some tailored advice from experienced growers. I'd hate to make an inaccurate diagnosis.

Be good, my friend. Looking forward to future updates! :jointsmile:

[Mr. Clandestine]

Sorry for the double post, but I just realized that you aren't actually fertilizing yet. So, scratch everything I said about salt buildup & pH! I'd say it's about time to start feeding them some Nitrogen. Your soil has done a good job up to this point, but it can't sustain necessary nutrients for very long by itself.

Sorry again, we all succumb to responding without reading every once in a while! :jointsmile:

[denial102]

Thanks homes, I will keep you all updated! :-) Things moving along nicely..


Peace,
Denial

[twoguysupnorth]

good luck,lol. and those are looking good.

[denial102]

coming up to 1 month old on the right, 1 week old on the left

[denial102]

Well yesterday I had a major issue, I come into the room and the aircon duct has decided to die on me, the whole room exceeds 35C.. I'm freaking out.. look at the plants they look kinda upset/curved a little up at the top, dang I was lucky I caught it so quick... on the other side they seemed to enjoy a pleasant discourse from their usual 20-25C environment.

Over the last few days I've mentioned that there was some yellowing at the bottom of the leaves on the pot with two plants in, got that pinned down as nute defficiency and given them some nutes and they both seem to have perked up. Gonna give the 2 plants in the big pot 1.5ml-2ml/litre biobiz biobloom and give the other older plant a modest 0-1ml in case of over fert,

I attatch about 5 pictures of my new setup, yes it shows of my nice new carbon filter! HomeMade Growtent, ducting and my 4 plants progress after exactly 32 days!! yay!

[denial102]

thought I better add info that the 2 other smaller plants were germinated at the beginning of february :)

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Well yesterday I had a major issue, I come into the room and the aircon duct has decided to die on me, the whole room exceeds 35C.. I'm freaking out.. look at the plants they look kinda upset/curved a little up at the top, dang I was lucky I caught it so quick... on the other side they seemed to enjoy a pleasant discourse from their usual 20-25C environment.

Over the last few days I've mentioned that there was some yellowing at the bottom of the leaves on the pot with two plants in, got that pinned down as nute defficiency and given them some nutes and they both seem to have perked up. Gonna give the 2 plants in the big pot 1.5ml-2ml/litre biobiz biobloom and give the other older plant a modest 0-1ml in case of over fert,

I attatch about 5 pictures of my new setup, yes it shows of my nice new carbon filter! HomeMade Growtent, ducting and my 4 plants progress after exactly 32 days!! yay!

Things look to be progressing very nicely! Those plants look real healthy, given the situation with heat & nutes. That's one of the beautiful things about this plant, they're resilient as hell. Glad you discovered & fixed the problems before they could do any serious damage. Shows you're really staying on top of things. :thumbsup:

Also glad to see you've got your setup running the way you want it. All the little perfections you make here and there are going to make it that much easier to replicate the process over and over again. I'll be watching this thread to see how things go for ya. Be sure to keep updating every once in a while! Take care.

[denial102]

Things look to be progressing very nicely! Those plants look real healthy, given the situation with heat & nutes. That's one of the beautiful things about this plant, they're resilient as hell. Glad you discovered & fixed the problems before they could do any serious damage. Shows you're really staying on top of things. :thumbsup:

Also glad to see you've got your setup running the way you want it. All the little perfections you make here and there are going to make it that much easier to replicate the process over and over again. I'll be watching this thread to see how things go for ya. Be sure to keep updating every once in a while! Take care.

yup, things looking good now bro. Thanks for the feedback and wellwishing, I appreciate that. Adding 2ml to the litre of the biobizz biobloom 2.0-6.0-3.5 -we're still in veg so it is a bit risky as I am pretty sure this plant food is more for BLOOMING than vegging.. I can't afford any more ferts now so hopefully this is OK, any advice welcome,

Peace Out,
Denial

[denial102]

Terror strikes.. my extractor seems to have gone broke on me, and it looks like it's leaking air. I only bought it last weekend so hopefully they will be okay with replacing it.. god damnit :-(

As you can see it literally looks like its been "blown out" inside out. Not sure what to do if they say it's my fault, I have an electrical background and really am not sure how the FUCK anyone can be responsible for a screw popping out the base like this.

Please also bare in mind that I think it failed whilst in use rather than due to handling etc :-( oh sigh.. always something eh guys! :mad:

Wish me luck!

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

...not sure how the FUCK anyone can be responsible for a screw popping out the base like this.

I call this Murphy's Law, others may call it karma. Either way, they both have a tendency to bite you in the ass when you least expect it, doesn't it?

You shouldn't catch any flack from the retailer, it's pretty clear it's a manufacturer error. Still, if it's going to take a day or two before you can get it replaced, remember to keep air circulating with some oscillating fans or something. See ya.

[Markass]

Just a suggestion man, have you heard of a cooltube?? Here's a link to my old grow when I first got it, you can keep the light much closer to the tops with it, very very useful man..

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/103945-3-blueberry-seedlings-7.html#post1342763

[denial102]

I call this Murphy's Law, others may call it karma. Either way, they both have a tendency to bite you in the ass when you least expect it, doesn't it?

You shouldn't catch any flack from the retailer, it's pretty clear it's a manufacturer error. Still, if it's going to take a day or two before you can get it replaced, remember to keep air circulating with some oscillating fans or something. See ya.

Hah yeah.. you are 100% right bro. Everything has been pretty hard but went quite smoothly, then my carbon filter dies in week 4 veg, goddamnit!! I emailed the retailer in the morning at like 5am or something, no reply all day. Ima just gonna take the bastad thing back to the store with the receipt, I only bought it 6 days ago so, wish me luck 'yo! :-) Thanks for the advice, still got the AC going, the rvk is more for the smell extraction. Legal or no I think ya gotta worry about people messing with ya's :-) I'll let y'all know if the retailer gives me shit (I dunno why I just got a bad feeling they will :( ).

Anyway, thanks for the reassurance clandestine.. when it comes to my plants I do get kind of sensitive :-)


Just a suggestion man, have you heard of a cooltube?? Here's a link to my old grow when I first got it, you can keep the light much closer to the tops with it, very very useful man..

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/103945-3-blueberry-seedlings-7.html#post1342763

Hey dude, yeah I looked at the DIY cooltube that was done on here in the FAQ's if I recall, I could probably make something similar out of two drain pipes and some high velocity industrial 30mm fans. (maybe 3 or 4) .. ahh I am going to have to go and make that shit now. Thanks for the superb advice homes :thumbsup:

Peace,
Denial

[Opie Yutts]

I hate technical problems. Good luck with that. Cool tubes are great but they often have reflection issues (like lack of it). There are some new sealed hoods out now that reflect in the 4 corners instead of 1 huge intensity in the middle. I'm thinking of trading in my cool tube and enclosed hood for a couple of those. You could consider that or just wait until my LED arrays come out, but those are going to be expensive.

[denial102]

thanks for the advice opie, I haven't done anything yet with the DIY cooltube, I'll let you know how things go though I have some parts on order :-D

As Promised, I figure it's time to post some picture updates of the babies.. some are nice and close :-) These plants are not without their problems as I had some issues controling temperature until the growbox is finished..

Hope you guys like, any advice appreciated, I have been trying to sex them but I think it might be a bit early to say.. another week or two..

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

and the rest!
These 5 pictures above and 4 pictures below are at 1 month 4 days VEG under the 400W HPS. Using biobizz biobloom 1litre to 3ml ratio (3:1000).

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

I've got the extractor replaced now, woo

Peace,
Denial

[Opie Yutts]

denial your plants are looking nice and healthy except for that little bit of droop. I don't think it's much to worry about, mine used to do that all the time, but if you spray a little liquid light on them they'll stretch out and reach for the stars like good leaves are supposed to.

Also if you would set your camera to program instead of auto you could force the flash, and that would help us see what your plants really look like.

[denial102]

denial your plants are looking nice and healthy except for that little bit of droop. I don't think it's much to worry about, mine used to do that all the time, but if you spray a little liquid light on them they'll stretch out and reach for the stars like good leaves are supposed to.

Also if you would set your camera to program instead of auto you could force the flash, and that would help us see what your plants really look like.

Thanks Opie, I think I have worked out what is causing the droop, its the temperature fluctuations in the night. Moving the AC to cool the room instead of the cupboard worked a treat. I think it is just because the AC is very cold air it might be a bit of a shock. I will need to be careful where I install the fans inside the growbox as a result.

I also attatch more pictures.

The FIM I did isn't working out how I expected, not sure if it has worked :-( Must have done it wrong, we'll see I'll attatch pictures of where I FIM'ed.. Growth seems a bit slow at the moment! Probably because of FIM on the two big plants.

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

Here are some more pics, the last two are the pictures of the two plants I FIM'ED after about 4-5 days.


would a kind Moderator perhaps move this thread to grow logs section? :D Thanks!

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Hey D,

Still looking very good, my friend! About your FIM, it's not too easy to tell from the pictures, but it sort of looks like you may have not snipped quite enough of the top shoots off to redirect the growth hormones. Did you take off all but about 10% of the new growth from that shoot when you cut it? If you just snipped the tips, then the plant will just grow that shoot out, funky looking (snipped) leaves and everything.

No big deal, though. This is all a learning process, and you naturally can't expect everything to go right on your first grow log! But, at the least, it looks like just about everything else is going smoothly. Glad to see that... I'm really pulling for you to have a kickass harvest. For all the hard work you've put in already, you definitely deserve one. I can't seem to remember, but is this your first ever grow... or just the first time you've documented a grow? Regardless of the answer, things are looking great! Keep up the good work, looking forward to future updates.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Sorry for double posting, but I decided to FIM one of my seedlings. This cut was made right above the fourth node, and actually ended up snipping two growing shoots. Hopefully the new branching will be visible in a few days, but the plant is still pretty young (about 2 1/2 weeks old), so it may take a little longer to show visible results. I'll post an update when there's something new to see.

[denial102]

Hey D,

Still looking very good, my friend! About your FIM, it's not too easy to tell from the pictures, but it sort of looks like you may have not snipped quite enough of the top shoots off to redirect the growth hormones. Did you take off all but about 10% of the new growth from that shoot when you cut it? If you just snipped the tips, then the plant will just grow that shoot out, funky looking (snipped) leaves and everything.

No big deal, though. This is all a learning process, and you naturally can't expect everything to go right on your first grow log! But, at the least, it looks like just about everything else is going smoothly. Glad to see that... I'm really pulling for you to have a kickass harvest. For all the hard work you've put in already, you definitely deserve one. I can't seem to remember, but is this your first ever grow... or just the first time you've documented a grow? Regardless of the answer, things are looking great! Keep up the good work, looking forward to future updates.

Thanks mr Clandestine, my guardian and soulkeeper for my medicine of choice! Everwatching, everypresent in wait for the THC marvel of a lifetime!

Things are going not too bad, I thought i snipped off everything but 10% but maybe it was more 20% or 15% :( I did on two different plants it just seems like their growth has been stunted while they recover (oh no, no extra nifty branches!). OH well like you say, i've learnt very well how NOT to do it. Maybe I should stick to topping in future hehehe. If anyone has anymore idiot-proof advice/instructions on FIM or what I did wrong I am super super listening to you. I really wanted to get this right!

This isn't my first grow clandestine, I have grown red hair skunk before. Which is why I chose it this time. I've just never really attempted an indoor grow. :D So far, so good, other than a bit of yellowing.. and the other problems I mentioned in thread.

Thanks for looking all! I will be sure to keep the updates coming.

Peace 2 you,
Denial

[denial102]

Sorry for double posting, but I decided to FIM one of my seedlings. This cut was made right above the fourth node, and actually ended up snipping two growing shoots. Hopefully the new branching will be visible in a few days, but the plant is still pretty young (about 2 1/2 weeks old), so it may take a little longer to show visible results. I'll post an update when there's something new to see.

you truly are a kind heart mr C! Again you have answered one of my questions/requests before I get the chance to post/ask!

:D I look forward to seeing the update of the FIM' man!

I'm tempted to "leave" the other 2 babies I have.. few weeks old now and go into 12/12 for march 1. I don't want these flowering in the hot summer. That would suck :D too warm.. at least for indoors,

Thanks again man!

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

'm tempted to "leave" the other 2 babies I have.. few weeks old now and go into 12/12 for march

You know, I rarely ever prune my plants... and actually prefer to just start training right around this time with seedlings. To be honest, it's probably been two or three years since I topped/FIM'd anything. The plant I made the cut on is actually one of the runt seedlings, and I'm half expecting it to be male anyway. Really just wanted to make an example out of it, since its pollen means NOTHING to me! If it turns out to be a lady, then I really hope this FIM works! Coupled with LST, the results can be pretty wicked. We'll see what happens.

And I'm glad to be of service! I'll be watching this thread, and keeping my fingers crossed for ya! :thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

Wish granted by the Pot Fairy! *poof!

[Mr. Clandestine]

Wish granted by the Pot Fairy! *poof!

:D

This world would be lost without such helpful Pot Fairies... :jointsmile:

[denial102]

Wish granted by the Pot Fairy! *poof!

thankyou kind pot fairy!

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

A Quick Update for Today!


As you will all see I have updated my grow chamber a little. I have added hardboard around the outside of it covered in a reflective white material.

I am now giving nutes to all 5 plants as they are a little bit yellow at the bottom, using a 5ml to 1litre of bio-bizz biobloom. (0.005% solution).

I've now finally added a nice door on the chamber so I can now sit in the same room the chamber is in and not feel like I am overwhelmed by aliens. Also the added bonus is the neighbours do not think my basement has been taken over by aliens. Wohoo!

On a more mature note, it's almost lightproofed now, need to add a ceiling panel (with some extraction holes), a few 120mm inlet fans on one side, and finish lightproofing any gaps, which includes the back - as it has no panels on the back - just a wall :)

currently heat flow is so good/ambient I'm tempted not to add a ceiling or backs , but think I will anyways!

Thanks for all the advices homes, things are coming along very nicely now, I think I am almost ready for flowering :D !!!!

If anyones wondering those ropes are secure, yes.

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

I've also done a "Switch to 24/0 light schedule and don't worry... about a thing... every little thing... gonna be all right." - StinkyAttic

thanks stinkeh :D

some more pics, as you can see there is some yellowing but I |think| I have that under control with the nutes I mentioned in the post above, anyone?


Peace 2 all,
Denial

[denial102]

one of the newer plants has shown its sex, female, yay.

Still got another 3 or 4 that need to identify themselves, I am not sure why the older ones are taking so long to sex.. mm

Any ideas anyone?

One thing, as of today the 3 bigger plants are 1 month and 13 days (born 14 jan) old. The two younger plants are about a month old (born ~1 feb) now.

Peace,
Denial

[Rusty Trichome]

Lost this post for a while, but nice to see everything is progressing pretty good. Nice job with the transplants, but your FIM technique needs a bit of work, lol.
Giving more water and adequate nutes, as the plants needs increase? Cannabis prefers to dry between waterings, but they still need moisture to the lower root zones. :thumbsup:

[cwesto]

ur plants look sweet dude:thumbsup:

[denial102]

Lost this post for a while, but nice to see everything is progressing pretty good. Nice job with the transplants, but your FIM technique needs a bit of work, lol.
Giving more water and adequate nutes, as the plants needs increase? Cannabis prefers to dry between waterings, but they still need moisture to the lower root zones. :thumbsup:

lol :D Agreed homie. Some more updated pics coming soon.


ur plants look sweet dude:thumbsup:

thanks dude :) I am pretty happy, the two younger ones appear female, and the other 3 look like 1 or 2 of them might be female too..


Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

A quick picture update :) You might be able to see some nice hairs I can here, not sure if it is as visible on the camera though :(

Thanks to opie I am using manual flash now :) woohoo..



Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

The plants have been in 12/12 since Sunday! I'll try and post some pictures soon,


Peace,
Denial

[maspino1]

try some 3% hydrogen peroxide in your water. it does fucking amazing with my plant, i can't
even believe how much it's helped.
i just use like half a ml for every 50mL or so, then i just agitate the water to help with the
decomposition of the chemical and then when you water with it it gives off free oxygen molecules
and your roots will drink it up.
but if you try this keep in mind that you will kill off some if not most of your soil ecology.

[SnSstealth]

lookin good denial!!! we should be harvesting around the same time too!!!...heh

whiskeytango

[denial102]

Yo guys. Things are going not too bad. I have had some strange problems with the leaves going a yellow colour at the tip's and dying from the bottom up. in some cases at the bottom of the plant as well as the top.

I think I have it pinned down to mostly over ferting and underwatering, but I could be wrong. Please guys, your opinions are needed as I have recently started a large contract at work, so it makes it difficult to pop by to say hi :(

I attatch some pictures for your viewing pleasure. We've been in the flowering stage for 1 week.

Please don't say get a PH meter, I'm on it already. However I'm not convinced that some hard tap water is the cause of this yellowing.

I've also added a fan. Checkout the pics and please, wish me some goodluck :-) Still a long way to go guys... expect some major updates soon,

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

On second thoughts I am thinking this problem might not be overfeeding, and rather BAD PH + Nitrogen Lockout, the water in my area is quite hard. This is likely the result? PH tester on way.

Some more pictures

Peace,
Denial

[Opie Yutts]

It could be nute burn, but I'm thinking not. Be sure to post in the problem section and search for the problem charts.

And your tap water could be screwing things up, believe it or not. Mine is PH 7.6, which would of course kill my plants if I didn't lower it. Do you neutralize the chlorine, or is it well water?

[Mr. Clandestine]

Heya D,

It would be a very good idea to get an accurate reading on the pH of your water, and definitely the soil runoff. Knowing where your pH stands can be very helpful when trying to rule things out, especially if it's causing the problem! It may be nutrient burn, especially if you're pretty certain you've been overfeeding. Scorched spots on otherwise healthy leaves and curled leaf tips are pretty indicative of this. Find out your pH, and definitely follow Opie's advice and start a new thread in the Problems area. Remember to fill out the troubleshooting chart at the top of the section, so our resident green-thumbs can put all the pieces together.

Oh, and the plant I'm FIM'd threw up four new shoots just like I was expecting, and I totally forgot to take any follow-up pictures of it before I murdered it. It turned out to be a male, again just like I was expecting... :mad:

Sorry about that, bro. But you'll get it next time, it sounded like you were just a little off the first time around. Take care, and I'll be subscribing to this thread so I'll know in the future when there's any news. Still pullin' for ya! :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

i got kinda the same thing going on with one of my plants....testing Ph tomorrow...hope thats it...no other plants have it...if i find something out tomorrow, will let ya know
WT

[denial102]

hey guys my girlfriend has lent me this PH tester and it says my soil is mildly alkaline. :| not much use really is it.. I will try mixing in some vinegar with my next water feed. Any ideas anyone?

I flushed them out with lots of water and they have grown lots, and it looks like the yellowing has settled down a bit, It's possibly they were a lot more alkaline before as I stopped using nutes a few days ago,

Peace,
Denial

PS: more pictures soon.

[denial102]

It could be nute burn, but I'm thinking not. Be sure to post in the problem section and search for the problem charts.

And your tap water could be screwing things up, believe it or not. Mine is PH 7.6, which would of course kill my plants if I didn't lower it. Do you neutralize the chlorine, or is it well water?

It's tap water dude, thanks for the advice :)
I don't neutralise the chlorine maybe I should let it settle for a day or two?

Peace,
Denial

[Opie Yutts]

Tap water can be either from the city or from a well. If it's well water there probably isn't much or any chlorine to worry about. If it's city water there is no doubt chlorine in it, which could very easily be causing problems. Chlorine must be neutralized, either by letting it sit out a couple days, or with drops from the grow store. If you spread out the surface area the chlorine will evaporate faster.

[denial102]

OK guys i'm using 4ml to 1 litre of biobizz biobloom instead of upto 10ml and am giving the plants plenty of water. This has really helped.

Pictures attatched. Found a second male (hermy), see picture it is very clear. 3 Females left it seems.

damnit, attatch is broken, I will have to add in a minute when its working again.

Peace,
denial

[SnSstealth]

looks like we are right on schedule together...lol, we are on day.....18 of flowering...wheres the pics man!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[denial102]

Here are the pics! Upload working now

[SnSstealth]

weird!!!! you put them up as i was typing last message
WT

[denial102]

2 more pics

[denial102]

weird!!!! you put them up as i was typing last message
WT

hah, that is weird dude, because i just got this thought that i had to post pics... lol...

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Looking good, D! :thumbsup:

Get ready to watch dem bitches reach for the ceiling over the next month. Keep a close eye on those top colas, they'll be inching closer and closer to the light right under your nose. I'd hate to see your ladies get burned.

Take care. :jointsmile:

[denial102]

Looking good, D! :thumbsup:

Get ready to watch dem bitches reach for the ceiling over the next month. Keep a close eye on those top colas, they'll be inching closer and closer to the light right under your nose. I'd hate to see your ladies get burned.

Take care. :jointsmile:

thanks dude, yeah I have noticed this! :D

I am really looking forward to harvest, I can't believe how quickly these are growing now, they seem happier with the fan, more water, and less ferts.. :)

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

I am really looking forward to harvest, I can't believe how quickly these are growing now, they seem happier with the fan, more water, and less ferts.. :)

If they're becoming unusually thirsty, you may want to check that the plants aren't getting too rootbound. That can really mess with their ability to pack on dense flowers. Also, between my bloom feedings (hell, sometimes during) I like to give them a blast of molasses in the water. They really seem to enjoy having the extra sugars right about now.

Take care, looking forward to more updates. :thumbsup:

[denial102]

If they're becoming unusually thirsty, you may want to check that the plants aren't getting too rootbound. That can really mess with their ability to pack on dense flowers. Also, between my bloom feedings (hell, sometimes during) I like to give them a blast of molasses in the water. They really seem to enjoy having the extra sugars right about now.

Take care, looking forward to more updates. :thumbsup:

That's a good point,I don't think they are unusually rootbound. I think 500ml is reasonable a day per plant at this point, that's what they get roughly and they seem quite happy :)

I will see if i can try some molasses, not sure how much to put in though heh.

Also, sorry I hadn't updated for a week or so, work has been rather busy! :-)

More pictures coming soon, 3 female out of 5 aint bad, so lets hope :)

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

I will see if i can try some molasses, not sure how much to put in though heh.

This isn't an exact science. That stuff sticks to everything, making accurate measurements damn near impossible. One glop (roughly one tablespoon) per gallon is a pretty good estimate to start with, and you can up the dosage as long as plants seem to tolerate it well. It's hard to overfeed with it, but adding too much could probably suffocate roots and may affect your pH. As with everything, use in moderation. ;)


Also, sorry I hadn't updated for a week or so, work has been rather busy! :-)

No worries, chief! It's getting to be about that time of year for lots of businesses. I'm already starting to make bids on contracts, and will be jumping back on the manual-labor bandwagon soon enough.

Take care, bud. :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

succanant works well too......disolves easy too;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Mr. Clandestine]

succanant works well too......disolves easy too;)

I used to have a ton of that stuff. That's those big almost amber grains of sugar, right? If that's it, I always used to add it to my coffee and herbal teas... and DAMN is it sweet! Nice idea.

[SnSstealth]

lol....thats it Mr C...its an organic pure sugar you can get at whole foods or wherever....LOL holy shit man, tried to google succanant and MJ, but only i come up...hahaha...well, lots o organic guys swear by it...it supposedly increases yeild and taste...ill find some non-me lit for ya...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[denial102]

Hey homies, I have a nice update for my plants, I think they are coming along wikid, check them out :-)


Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

Some more pics,

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

just so you guys know, i decided to ditch the current pH tester i got, it's crap and not accurate, the wife has ordered me a better one :thumbsup:

I'm really getting into this now.. at least when I find the time:( It's been a bit of a sturggle recently but I'm still loving this shit homes! :D

:jointsmile:

Thanks to you all for help and reading my log so far :)

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Man, those pistils look like big fat spaghetti noodles! The plants are looking very happy now. Kudos to you, my friend!

[denial102]

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Man, those pistils look like big fat spaghetti noodles! The plants are looking very happy now. Kudos to you, my friend!

heh, yeah i agree they are looking much better now, thanks :D I have learnt a very keen and simple rule in growing, everything in moderation :-)

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

heh, yeah i agree they are looking much better now, thanks :D I have learnt a very keen and simple rule in growing, everything in moderation :-)

Word! That rule will save many plants if adhered to correctly! :jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

Plants are coming along great.
What nutrients have you used?

Sho

[denial102]

Plants are coming along great.
What nutrients have you used?

Sho

I'm using biobizz biobloom 2ml to 1litre water to nute ratio,

re-Starting off weak, as the PH or strength of the nute was a bit of a shock to the plants at 4ml. 5ml to 1litre is the maximum recommended ratio for this nute.

oh, also glad to hear you approve of the plants, I'm relieved to see them looking a bit more happier ;-)

Peace,
Denial

[Opie Yutts]

Yum.

[denial102]

and I have found stripping down network cable to make great string...


hehehe :D

:dance:
Peace,
Denial

[Opie Yutts]

Hey good idea. I use wire too, you just have to be careful not to wind it tight around a branch or stalk. Make a loose loop or the wire will cut off the flow of nutrients as the plant grows bigger.

[rottenfork]

yeah i prefer to use something a little softer, pipe cleaners are great!!

[Shovelhandle]

Just about any synthetic fiber or metal is good for plant tying and supporting. In the old days in the veggie garden only metal cages or stakes were used and nylon stockings were used to support the vines. Wooden spikes and natural (sisal or cotton) twine were not sued as they could invited infective organisms.

Shov, the old guinea gardener

afterthink;
For pot plants I use a lot of rubber bands and paper clips as well is scrap solid electrical wire (14 gauge).

[denial102]

:¬D
begin week 4 flower

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

some more pics

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

Hi guys!
Damn. It has been just too long since I've posted a decent update here. So.. I think 2litres is a lot of water to give between 3 plants for 1 day.

The plants recently turned yellow after I was giving 2ml to 3ml/litre biobloom, so i stopped giving fert in the water for 2 days.. the plants seem to have got worse, and it is almost week 5 now, so I am guessing not enough ferts and I misdiagnosed the problem :-)


I have taken the PH and it is 7. So, my conclusion is I need to ph down it (more acidic) - and if I use ferts this does that anyway, yes?

So I am very happy plants are looking lovely and in fair condition :-)

Good smoke, I hope!

Peace 2 you guys,
Denial

[denial102]

some more pics coming today (sunday!)

Things are really taking off!

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

the pics I promised!

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Things are getting mighty frosty! :dance:

Looking good. :thumbsup:

[denial102]

hehe thanks homes! Waiting for the lights to come on to take some more pics today :D

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Good deal, chief! Pictures are lovely as is, but more are always welcome. They seem to be enjoying to the Biobizz/bloom. Looking forward to seeing them swell even more over the next couple of weeks.

Take care. :jointsmile:

[denial102]

heh yeah bro, I've added some malt vinegar in with todays water to try and get the PH below 7.0 :) 6.6, 6.8 I will be happy with, so I added 3-5ml of malt vinegar to approx 2 litres water+fert. :D

my PH tester shows a more orangey yellow, will be interesting to see how it affects the plants next week, I will keep adding vinegar if the PH keeps going to 7.

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Man, I've never used vinegar to lower pH... how does it make your growroom smell? Like a bud-salad? :D

Is it the Biobizz that's messing with your pH, or the water itself? I ask because my tap water is a little high (7.3-4), but my soil has a lower pH and usually brings my runoff around 6.8.

[denial102]

Man, I've never used vinegar to lower pH... how does it make your growroom smell? Like a bud-salad? :D

Is it the Biobizz that's messing with your pH, or the water itself? I ask because my tap water is a little high (7.3-4), but my soil has a lower pH and usually brings my runoff around 6.8.

hey dude. It doesn't really make my growroom smell at all :) I am only using tiny amounts currently. I measured my soil PH (1ml cubed) to 3ml ph solution. It came as approx 7.0 , so adding some malt vinegar should move it down a few .1's at a time I hope :) 3-5ml is not a lot :)

I will have to find a good way of testing runoff, probably with a pipette and ph solution :)

I know my water here is hard so that probably means the PH is quite high. I tested the ph of the water and its neutral.

So yeah, will be interesting to see what the vinegar does :) It is really in small amounts to stop the PH from going over 6.8.

Edit: I possibly used tooo many smilies in this post, i guess I am just very happy right noww heeehee


Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Edit: I possibly used tooo many smilies in this post, i guess I am just very happy right noww heeehee

Haha, it's your post, bro! Smiley to your hearts content! :D:cool::jointsmile::smokin::stoned:

[denial102]

As promised guys!

Some closeups of these red hair skunk plants in week 5.


Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

some more pics,

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

posting more pics today to show how vinegar is helping the plants,


Peace,
Denial

[Shovelhandle]

I'd have smilies too with buds growing like that. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Nice plants, Bub.

Shvl

[denial102]

I'd have smilies too with buds growing like that. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Nice plants, Bub.

Shvl

hey guys. You will have to forgive me for not saying hi more often :D like 5 weeks went by without me spamming the board like crazy, something must be wrong.

So... the plants look naff in the light if you look at just the leaves... see for yourselves in the pics below.

Still, checkout the closeups, it's still the same nice buds, but getting bigger and better! Regardless of the leafs that are turning yellow. :D

I'm sure this is a nute problem, so I have been careful how much nutes i've been adding, i may have ended up not providing enough... will be Moving up to 3-4ml per litre again for 2 days (1,2 april) + using vinegar for PH down < 7.0 (neutral).

When i touch these buds they are so sticky you could use it like blutac, seriously, you could put your wallpaper up with this crap. But if you did I'd fucking kill ya - or ask if you'd like a free decorator heheehe

Enjoy these high resolution pics guys, skunk red hair is a truly remarkable plant.

It's worth noting we're at the beginning of week 6 flower.

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

looks can be deceiving, my plants look a "bit dead" - you see the pics above, look kinda crappy eh homes? well, heres some pics of the plants up close and personal. The bud formation is excellent.

PS: vinegar is helping ... last few days has been good

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

Well, I needed to take lots of pics these are beautiful buds!


Unfortunately I'm not a photographer I'm a gymnast. A very stoned gymnast.

Guys your comments are very welcome - especially clandestine, my main man & shovel the complementor, FYI ty ;-).


PS: as you can see I did give up with FIM but I did have a go at my own adaptation of LST.

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Your plants just look a bit Nitrogen deprived, but that's to be expected. I'm not sure if BioBloom contains any N, but if it doesn't, you may think about trying another bloom fertilizer next time around. If it does contain it, and you'll be using it for a while, you can add some earthworm castings, blood meal, or another similar organic fert to the soil next time you flower.

Take care. :jointsmile:

(Edit: And those buds are looking great, bro! I'm all out for about another two months or so. I'm probably looking forward to your harvest as much as you are. This site is REALLY helping to pass the time.)

[denial102]

Your plants just look a bit Nitrogen deprived, but that's to be expected. I'm not sure if BioBloom contains any N, but if it doesn't, you may think about trying another bloom fertilizer next time around. If it does contain it, and you'll be using it for a while, you can add some earthworm castings, blood meal, or another similar organic fert to the soil next time you flower.

Take care. :jointsmile:

(Edit: And those buds are looking great, bro! I'm all out for about another two months or so. I'm probably looking forward to your harvest as much as you are. This site is REALLY helping to pass the time.)

hey bro, thanks for the advice, I'll be sure to try it! I need to get rid of that nasty color it's ruining my pictures! :D

Great to hear you approve of the bounty, I am delighted :) lets kep them staying this way ,
:stoned: notice the abundance of smilies!

Peace,
Denial

[essencevfx]

why are you adding viniager ? ...sorry Im trying to learn as much as I can here :)

[denial102]

why are you adding viniager ? ...sorry Im trying to learn as much as I can here :)

hello essence, some water has different PH (acid/alkaline concentration).. My plants are almost 7.0 which is neutral and a little bit too non acidic (neutral).

So the best solution for me was to grab the nearest acidic thing and slowly add 5ml-10ml of vinegar in a "solution" or mix with my 2 litre bottle of water + fert - this is to try and counter-balance the PH to acid.

For the record it's worked very, very nicely. Almost no yellow leaves in just a few days,


I hope you learn something from that essence. thanks for stopping by bro.

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

more pics tonight hopefully.

things are going fast :D

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

as promised homes,


Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

more pics as promised,

appreciate any feedback!

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

last 3, :D

Thanks to clandestine, twoguysupnorth, opie, shovel, stinky and all the other people who helped me get this far 'yo.

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

Hi,more pics today guys, going to try and get some close ups on the trichs, feedback still welcome ;-)

Now, how long do you think is left until harvest, 3-4 weeks?

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

My only feedback: :jointsmile::rasta::D:stoned::):smokin::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Looking great, man! Probably another 3-4 weeks, but maybe slightly longer or slightly less depending on strain characteristics. What are you using to look at the trichs? That'll give you the best idea when to cut.

One more succession of smileys, for good measure: :dance: :clap: :smokin: :greenthumb: :food10: :jumphappy:

[denial102]

My only feedback: :jointsmile::rasta::D:stoned::):smokin::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Looking great, man! Probably another 3-4 weeks, but maybe slightly longer or slightly less depending on strain characteristics. What are you using to look at the trichs? That'll give you the best idea when to cut.

One more succession of smileys, for good measure: :dance: :clap: :smokin: :greenthumb: :food10: :jumphappy:
ha! hey homes glad to see you are still checking in :D It's redhair skunk so its 8-12 weeks on the flowering. I've found early cultivation to produce the best "uphigh". Waiting too long can leave you with "coma" weed. Which is nice, but I want to be conscious :-)

I'm using my camera and macro to look at the trichs at the moment :( heres some pics.

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

more pics

Peace,
Denial

[daihashi]

more pics

Peace,
Denial

mmmmm nice frosty buds :thumbsup:

On a side note, don't you pick out the dead leaves from your grow? I find it really helps with circulation of air throughout the plants especially closer to the soil.

Very nice grow. I wish mine were nice and icy looking like yours

[denial102]

mmmmm nice frosty buds :thumbsup:

On a side note, don't you pick out the dead leaves from your grow? I find it really helps with circulation of air throughout the plants especially closer to the soil.

Very nice grow. I wish mine were nice and icy looking like yours

hey bro, thanks for looking. Yeah i do remove the dead leaves slowly. I try and let the plant take the most natural course possible. Of course in nature it doesn't have a kind soul to remove its leaves for it, so maybe it just ain't supposed to be. Still, i do like to give it a helping hand.. like removing dying leaves or leaves in the way of bud sites.

For the 3 plants I use a 2 litre coca cola bottle almost all the way full + 6ml of biobizz Biobloom ferts (~week 4-5) + 5-20ml vinegar depending on the current soil PH. :)

I've found my soil to be very close to a neutral PH, perhaps some of these factors have helped create the circumstances required for these nice frosty buds. Have only been PH adjusting for a week or so, since the beginning of week 4 flowering.



:)


Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

I think my main thoughts now are to when to stop giving nutes.. I want my buds to taste fresh not vingeary or nutey, :D

what do you think mr c?

Peace,
Denial

[daihashi]

I think my main thoughts now are to when to stop giving nutes.. I want my buds to taste fresh not vingeary or nutey, :D

what do you think mr c?

Peace,
Denial

I can tell you what I'm planning for my grow which is about 4 weeks away from being done.

2 weeks before ending flowering I plan on flushing with 3 gallons of water 2-3 times a week. Stopping about 4-5 days before harvest times comes up.

Going to try to get the plants nice and yellow before harvest.

[denial102]

I can tell you what I'm planning for my grow which is about 4 weeks away from being done.

2 weeks before ending flowering I plan on flushing with 3 gallons of water 2-3 times a week. Stopping about 4-5 days before harvest times comes up.

Going to try to get the plants nice and yellow before harvest.

heh thanks dude, i'll be trying something similar to this no doubt now :D


Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

2 weeks before ending flowering I plan on flushing with 3 gallons of water 2-3 times a week. Stopping about 4-5 days before harvest times comes up.

Be careful with the final flushing, you don't want to keep the soil constantly saturated right before the chop. This can lead to some unfavorable conditions with root rot, possibly bud rot, higher RH, etc. If you've used a bunch of fertilizers in flowering and you're worried about getting everything washed out, maybe consider a heavy flush once or twice in the 2nd to last week, one in the last week, and plain waterings in between. From my experience I've noticed that in the last few weeks, my plants seem to enjoy getting pretty dry between waterings.

And Denial: Those buds are looking ridiculously good, my friend! :jointsmile: As hard as I know it is to wait longer than you already have, still make sure you do a good cure on them... it's the difference between hash flavored lawn grass and full-blown sweet dankness. It's a pain in the ass to wait even longer, but it's definitely worth it.

Daihashi nailed the final flushing time on the nose... wait until at least two weeks before you plan on taking them down. Different people flush differently, but I like to use the method above. My soil can get really soggy with too many heavy flushes, so I generally just do one heavy flush in the last week and one the week before that. Then just enough plain water to keep them happy when the soil starts to dry out. Even with all the organics I use in the soil, I rarely need to do several flushes. As long as the runoff is clear after the first flush, I prefer to try and limit them in the end. The slightly added stress from the near-underwatering near the very end seems to make the trichome frost a little heavier. (But it's by no means a scientific analysis - your results may vary.:D)

[denial102]

Be careful with the final flushing, you don't want to keep the soil constantly saturated right before the chop. This can lead to some unfavorable conditions with root rot, possibly bud rot, higher RH, etc. If you've used a bunch of fertilizers in flowering and you're worried about getting everything washed out, maybe consider a heavy flush once or twice in the 2nd to last week, one in the last week, and plain waterings in between. From my experience I've noticed that in the last few weeks, my plants seem to enjoy getting pretty dry between waterings.

And Denial: Those buds are looking ridiculously good, my friend! :jointsmile: As hard as I know it is to wait longer than you already have, still make sure you do a good cure on them... it's the difference between hash flavored lawn grass and full-blown sweet dankness. It's a pain in the ass to wait even longer, but it's definitely worth it.

Daihashi nailed the final flushing time on the nose... wait until at least two weeks before you plan on taking them down. Different people flush differently, but I like to use the method above. My soil can get really soggy with too many heavy flushes, so I generally just do one heavy flush in the last week and one the week before that. Then just enough plain water to keep them happy when the soil starts to dry out. Even with all the organics I use in the soil, I rarely need to do several flushes. As long as the runoff is clear after the first flush, I prefer to try and limit them in the end. The slightly added stress from the near-underwatering near the very end seems to make the trichome frost a little heavier. (But it's by no means a scientific analysis - your results may vary.:D)

hey homes, thanks for such a long post explaining everything for me, you really are too kind!

I have reached a compromise which I find fair. I snapped one tiny lower bud off for a quick taste. I will let you know how I get along with it.

Don't worry guys i'll super dry it to kill the chlorphyl enough for it to be pleasant.

Curing, yeah dude. Agreed, I still can't see a problem with curing some of it for different lengths. A week cure should be OK, a months cure should be ultimate dank! IMO , of course!

:D

I'll let you know how this smokes later bro,

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Curing, yeah dude. Agreed, I still can't see a problem with curing some of it for different lengths. A week cure should be OK, a months cure should be ultimate dank! IMO , of course!

:D

I'll let you know how this smokes later bro,

Peace,
Denial

LOL, yep. After the first week, the temptation to dig in and start smoking can be pretty overwhelming at times. I'm guilty of this, several times over. But, man, those buds that were in the bottom of the jars and ended up being cured for months... primo stuff!

Please do fill us in with a smoke report later. Just make sure not to do too many of them before the final cure! :jointsmile:

[denial102]

first puff, hazey tastless..

second puff, strong powerful "good shit" toke.. the beginning of a great thing. Aftertaste quite tangy as I remember skunk red hair being many years ago.

Third puff, kinda hazy.. still tasteless but I am feeling something. THC has been clearly developing, it's been 2 minutes and I feel it in the feet a tiny bit. I am used to smoking weed.

Fourth puff, more relaxed and tangy. Given this bud was super rapidly dried, I'm surprised it doesn't taste more clorophyl. It dried in 3 hours, lol, under a really hot lamp.

Fifth sixth seventh. Really feeling it now very relaxing high. An underwhelming yet peaceful body buzz that takes a long time to settle in, again, just as I remember the best red hair skunk. Always harvested a little early so you can stand up afterwards.

I feel like I don't have ADHD, I knew there was a reason why i LOVED red hair skunk.

For only 5 weeks of budding I'm delighted, its not there yet, but it is a nice mids, not quite the red hair skunk i remember needs another 2 weeks minimum, probably closer to a month so. That's good, the buds are going to get plenty plenty larger I hope!

Taste: 5/10 - mids - more tasteless though
High: 7/10 - nice - has to be 7/10 and no lower, its nice and I can feel it in my hands a lot more than I would other weed. Body buzz is great, my mind is still clear and I don't feel too inhibited.
Texture: 0/10 - this weed isnt cured properly, obviously, it was dried super fast over a few hours. I wasn't aiming to reproduce "finished" headfuck dank, just see how it is developing as a plant for my medicinial use.
Overall: 4/10 - I'm disapointed, only for one reason, it's -4 weeks what I want it to be. If it was +4 weeks I'd be so high and you'd be so disapointed, only for one reason, i'd be on my ass and you'd not know about the wonder of red hair skunk,


Red hair skunk is the best body dankness. I'll see you when I get there, see you when i get there, ahhhhhh

Peace to all,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

Overall: 4/10 - I'm disapointed, only for one reason, it's -4 weeks what I want it to be. If it was +4 weeks I'd be so high and you'd be so disapointed, only for one reason, i'd be on my ass and you'd not know about the wonder of red hair skunk.

LMAO... precisely! We'll know when it's been well cured when we stop hearing from ya so often! I, for one, can't type for shit when I'm completely blitzed. Feels like it takes me hours to complete a paragraph or two, then another hour or two for proofreading/editing, followed by subsequent deletions because I feel that I was too stoned to convey the message clearly. I generally just sit and stare at a blank screen until I get tired and turn the computer off in frustration. :jointsmile:

[denial102]

LMAO... precisely! We'll know when it's been well cured when we stop hearing from ya so often! I, for one, can't type for shit when I'm completely blitzed. Feels like it takes me hours to complete a paragraph or two, then another hour or two for proofreading/editing, followed by subsequent deletions because I feel that I was too stoned to convey the message clearly. I generally just sit and stare at a blank screen until I get tired and turn the computer off in frustration. :jointsmile:

bawahaa, i feel like theres a mirror between our two states,

Peace,
Denial

[Mr. Clandestine]

bawahaa, i feel like theres a mirror between our two states,

Peace,
Denial

Great stoned minds think alike! :D

[denial102]

Great stoned minds think alike! :D

the sad truth is working in an office makes one feel like a conformist sellout to the corporate lovechild of enslavement,

I knew this weed was good.........either that or I've been watching way too much south park y'all

:jointsmile:
Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

hi guys! some more pics,


Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

some more pics of this weeks flowering,

Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

just cut off another small bud to try :) Should be much tastier this time. It made my hands so sticky pulling it off they felt glued together!

Peace,
Denial

[twoguysupnorth]

looking real nice! hehe, sampling already.:jointsmile:

[denial102]

looking real nice! hehe, sampling already.:jointsmile:

ehehe yeah man, it was hard not to. I just ripped off my 3rd bud from the biggie tree, front right :) mmmm.. middle main cola about inch each... These could get mucb bigger in the next 3 weeks so i'm trying to minimize tasters/samplers.

The bud I pulled off last night had me stoned as hell, was nice.. Todays bud is even stickier! The plants were going a bit yellow possibly from the ph 7 that has come back, i didnt want to give too much vinegar, it can be bad for the plants! instead i flushed with some water and they are re-greening, yay. Overwatering + PH is a pain.

Not long now though guys :-)

Peace,
Denial

[Shovelhandle]

Nice plant photos, Denial. Looks like goood shit!

Shov

[SnSstealth]

lookin good man!! we have just fixed a Ph problem we had too....yield definitely was affected, but now we know...your not lackin on frost your damn self! keep it up:thumbsup:
WT

[denial102]

lookin good man!! we have just fixed a Ph problem we had too....yield definitely was affected, but now we know...your not lackin on frost your damn self! keep it up:thumbsup:
WT

yeah the PH stuff is a bummer, mine are getting back on track too now, I just have to be careful with overferts :) Most of the damage for me is when I give them more ferts thinking they are yellow because of underfert and its really because they need a good flush lol.

Anyways, they aren't that crystally, hoping to do a bit better than the current crystalia! :D

Smoke up good bro I'm just about to :thumbsup: see you around :)

Peace,
Denial

[SnSstealth]

lol...FO SHO!! bout to smoke ours now....wake and bake style...got another girl coming down in 2-3 days...one in a week, and about 10 days on the rest...cant wait! do you use FF nutes? i think they raised our Ph to 7.1, and then WH told us to check the Ph of our water after adding the nutes to it...lesson learned...probably only lost an oz. because of it...still hurt though, lol...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Mr. Clandestine]

Not long now though guys :-)

Peace,
Denial

'Hurry up and wait!' Don't ya love it? :jointsmile:

Just keeps looking better and better, bro! Probably shouldn't try fighting that yellowing too much, it'll progressively be getting worse. But that's completely normal. Great job keeping tabs on everything, though. You've shown a lot of love for these girls over the course of this log, and I foresee them showing you A LOT of love in return in a couple of weeks! :stoned:

Be good, bud!

[denial102]

lol...FO SHO!! bout to smoke ours now....wake and bake style...got another girl coming down in 2-3 days...one in a week, and about 10 days on the rest...cant wait! do you use FF nutes? i think they raised our Ph to 7.1, and then WH told us to check the Ph of our water after adding the nutes to it...lesson learned...probably only lost an oz. because of it...still hurt though, lol...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

nice bro, really compact buds, mine aren't quite so developed yet :( I've had ph problems since i started flowering though, so i've been lucky. And yeah, I've a soil ph tester and a ph rod tester, i knew my ferts were making the soil slightly alkaline and my water was almost 7.0 ph neutral. Shame on me for not being a bit more sensible.

Anyway, i'm convinced I spotted in time to not lose anything (lost a few days thats bout it),

Thanks for sharing, I like the bud shot:D and a happy stonering for you two too!


Peace,
Denial

[denial102]

'Hurry up and wait!' Don't ya love it? :jointsmile:

Just keeps looking better and better, bro! Probably shouldn't try fighting that yellowing too much, it'll progressively be getting worse. But that's completely normal. Great job keeping tabs on everything, though. You've shown a lot of love for these girls over the course of this log, and I foresee them showing you A LOT of love in return in a couple of weeks! :stoned:

Be good, bud!

hell yeah, emphasis on the hurry up! :D
This weed helps me with my hyperactivity so it will be neat to be able to wind down of an evening, sleep well, yyeeeha! About to have a smoke of my -- ahem - 3rd little sample bud :)

Will let you know what this sample is like, the 2nd was a much heavier high


Thanks so much for the kind words bro, props,

Peace,
Denial

[Cede2Weed]

This has been a great thread :thumbsup:

Nicely done. Enjoy. Sounds like you are :rasta: