Keif Green Dragon

[Purple Banana]

This is a stupid question, but would green dragon made with keif be feasible?

I've got a lot of high-quality keif from my grinder catch, and I'd really like to put it to some good use with the green dragon tincture... I've gotten a hold of some Everclear, so that's good to go. I've made larger scale variations of GD with pot and a half handle of high-proof rum, stuck it in a closet, and it worked great, I'm just wondering if keif and green dragon could work well together.

I'm used to baking/stir-frying/cooking with my green, I've been doing it for years now, and I'd like to broaden my horizons and try something new.

[Coelho]

Well... even if i never had tried it myself, im sure it would work also. The only difference is that maybe you had to filter it before drinking, cause drinking powdered kief wouldnt be nice...
But besides this, the process would be the same. Only be careful and know the potency of kief you were to use, or you may got TOO high :stoned::stoned::stoned:

[Purple Banana]

Only be careful and know the potency of kief you were to use, or you may got TOO high :stoned::stoned::stoned:

Oh yeah, wouldn't want to do that... :stoned:

[Coelho]

Oh yeah, wouldn't want to do that... :stoned:

LOL! I used to think this way too... but there are some members of cann.com which seemingly never returned from a "trip" caused by way too much green dragon... i had even posted an "wanted" sign, but unfortunately its gone as it was in the experiences forum... anyway... if you meet any of them in the outer dimensions, please tell them were missing them! :stoned: And good luck cause you may need it! :D:rastasmoke::jointsmile:

(PS. Dragonrider should i start to make a new sign? :p)

[dragonrider]

(PS. Dragonrider should i start to make a new sign? :p)

Ha Ha! Yes, get ready to add Purple Banana to the list! I actually saved a copy of the sign you made in a Word document because I thought it was so funny, and I suspected the forum might close. It probably lost some resolution being put into a Word doc and back out, but here it is:

[Coelho]

I actually saved a copy of the sign you made in a Word document because I thought it was so funny, and I suspected the forum might close.

Damn man! Thank you very very much for having a copy of this! I was sure after the changes i wouldnt see it anymore... it took me several hours to make it and was starting to think that it had been wasted time... anyway, fortunately you had this copy of it, so we can keep warning our unadvised fellows of the dangers of such journeys... :D

[dragonrider]

Ha ha! I'm sure you will have plenty of new people to add to the sign over time --- hopefully it will be enough of a warning to keep too many from going into the other dimension!

Here's another person who "disappeared," but she didn't post about eating large amounts of weed --- she posted about how she was planning to get blazed and then stick some lit candles in her ears! Never came back to tell us how it was! http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-com-lounge/147521-ear-candles.html

[Coelho]

Well... lately Bentleygtgirl wasnt posting very often... in fact i became surprised to see that she still was posting here... so the fact she disappeared again dont means that her ear candles went bad... dont be so pessimistic... i prefer to think that she is too busy to post here, instead to think that "her head bursted into flames"... poor girl... :p
Also... if i were to make a sign to each crazy one from cann.com that suddenly disappeared... it would take all my time...
Anyway... talking about disappeared people, do you know anything about geo? He is a crazy one from cann.com whom i care about...

[dragonrider]

Well... lately Bentleygtgirl wasnt posting very often... in fact i became surprised to see that she still was posting here... so the fact she disappeared again dont means that her ear candles went bad... dont be so pessimistic... i prefer to think that she is too busy to post here, instead to think that "her head bursted into flames"... poor girl... :p
Also... if i were to make a sign to each crazy one from cann.com that suddenly disappeared... it would take all my time...
Anyway... talking about disappeared people, do you know anything about geo? He is a crazy one from cann.com whom i care about...

I prefer to think she is busy as well, but I can't get the image out of my mind of someone runnig down the street in flames wtih candles stuck in their ears. But you are right, it would take all your life to document every crazy idea that never got resolved here.

I'm a bit concerned where Geo is too. He posted a thread that was sort of vague about being able to turn his back on things when he wasn't happy. It wasn't clear what he meant. His avatar is gone, his signature says "consider me a ghost." and his "registered+" diosappeared from under his name. I posted a thread asking where he was. Now his last thread has been taken down and so has mine asking where he was. Now that we've mentioned him here, THIS one will probalbly disappear too. I think he was having a disagreement with the administrtion.

Perhaps he has just begun his journey to gather his personal power and become a true nagual?

[Purple Banana]

LOL you guys... I know my limits! I just want to reach the outer limits of them :D

[dragonrider]

LOL you guys... I know my limits! I just want to reach the outer limits of them :D

Well, I sure hope so. We would miss you if you went into the other dimension. But if you do go, please say hello to the others from us.

[Purple Banana]

Will do! :jointsmile:

[dragonrider]

Hey, Purple Banana, I guess I could respond to your original question instead of just getting sidetracked with silly stories about the "Lost Ones." I'm sure you could make green dragon with Keif and it would work very well. But if I have a choice of different kinds of weed, I usually use my cooking techniques to improve the concetration and potency of THC in lower qualty bud and keep the good stuff for smoking. Last time I made it, I had a lot great bud so I used some for my GD, and it worked great. If you've got plenty of Keif, go ahead. If you only have a little Keif, but you have plenty of lower quality too, I would use the lower quality for your GD, and keep the Keif for smoking. That's my only advice. if you use the Keif, I think the techniques for extracting from Keif would be the same as for any other cannabis.

Good luck and tell us how it goes!

[dragonrider]

Coelho, I also saved some of my own posts in the threads about the ones who consumed massive amounts of weed. I'll see if I can find them and post them back here to maintain a permanent record and a warning for others.

[dragonrider]

Shamanic Hippie was the first one I heard of to consume massive quantities and then just disappear.

His thread was the Green Dragon Project:

I have been wanting to make green dragon for a long time and today I finally threw down the money and did it. I had read a lot of recipes and many of them quoted different amounts of weed per unit of alcohol and many of them also disagreed on the best way of preparation. I decided to use 1 ounce of bud in one 200ml bottle of everclear. most recipes call for a half ounce, but I wanted to make sure I was getting some strong stuff. I first ground up the pot and then put in a cup which was itself in a pan of boiling water to heat the weed (but not burn it) so as to convert much of the THCA to THC which dissolves better in alcohol and gets you more fucked up. I then poured out some of the everclear to make room for the pot. I poured the pot in and started shaking. I am planning on putting it in hot water in the sink and shaking it daily to help speed up the maturation. I am hoping that it will be ready to strain and consume on labor day.

After posting this, he never posted back! People kept asking him what happend, but there was only silence. After awhile people starting speculating what might have happend. Did he freak Out? Go crazy? Get arrested? Did he die?

Here's what I said:

Maybe if he drank it on Labor Day, he'll wake up some time around Memorial Day next year:

Shamanic Hippie: "Oh wow, manâ?¦I'm so hungry!"
Roommate: "Yo! Shamanic Hippie! Are you awake, dude? We thought you were dead there on the couch all this time. "
Shamanic Hippie: "Yeah... I drank this shit I made, and I was so high... How long was I knocked out anyway?"
Roommate: "Like nine months, dude!"
Shamanic Hippie: "Shit... I guess I'm gonna be late for work!"

[dragonrider]

Sparknote was the next one to go.

His thread was I just ate 4 bowls of dank:

I just made 4 "firecrackers". Peanut butter and some nice dank in between two saltine crackers. Each firecracker had ~1 large bowl worth, probably totaling to a little over a gram of dank.

Is this enough to get me high? I usually smoke 1 bowl of dank per day regularly.

PS The procedure was:

Spread the PB, sprinkle the dank, pop in the micro for 10 seconds, cook in oven at 320 degrees for 22 minutes wrapped in aluminum foil, take out and put in micro again for 10 seconds, eat. I used natural peanut butter as well, and one I added some olive oil.


He started to post a few thngs about how high he was getting, and then silence. Again everyone asked what happened, but there was no answer. So people started to speculate again. Coelho wondered if maybe they went into another dimension and if maybe they would meet up there.

Here is what my answer was to that:

I bet they do meet up...

Sparknote: Oh wow, man. Where the hell am I?
Shamanic Hippie: I'm not sure, but judging from all the munchkins and flying monkeys, I think weâ??re somewhere over the rainbow.
Sparknote: How did we get here?
Shamanic Hippie: I drank a bottle of green dragon, and I've been here ever since. Everyone said I was crazy and told me not to do it. What did you do?
Sparknote: I ate four bowls of dank...started to post the results on canncom, and then I was here. Do you think anyone will notice we're gone?
Shamanic Hippie: Probably some jackass on canncom will make some joke about how we just disappeared after consuming massive quantities of weed. They'll probably just think we died.
Sparknote: Do you think anyone will come for us?
Shamanic Hippie: Eventually everyone from canncom will show up here. They'll pop in one-by-one, stoned out their minds.
Sparknote: How long do you think we'll be here?
Shamanic Hippie: Well, I've been here since Labor Day...
Sparknote: Shit, I hope someone feeds my cat...
Shamanic Hippie: Hey, did you bring anything to smoke...?

[dragonrider]

And then there was Wonka911.

His thread was just ate 4 "Leary biscuits":

I just took 4 Ritz crackers smeared a little butter on each and broke up about a gram (give or take) on each then put a little piece of cheese on top and mic'd em until the cheese was melted...they taste a lot like broccoli n cheese and I happen to hate that so it was kinda hard for me to get em down but I ate all 4...think ill feel anything in about hour?


Just like all the others, we never heard from him again, and everyone had to guess what happened. Some thought maybe he had called some kind of emergency services like that crazy cop who ate the brownies. By this point, Coelho was mentioning his list of people who had disappeared as a warning to others.

Here's my take on it:

His name is Wonka911. He probably called 911 and all he could say was, "Wonka."

911 Operator: "Sir, please state your emergency."
Wonka911: "Wonka, wonka, wonka..."
911 Operator: "Sir, I can't understand you. Could you speak more clearly?"
Wonka911: "Wonka... wonka..."
911 Operator: "Sir, are you having a real emergency, or is this a hoax?"
Wonka911: "Wonka..."
911 Operator: "Sir, are you high?"
Wonka911: "Wonka! Wonka! Wonka!"
911 Operator: "Sir, did you eat four Leary Biscuits?"
Wonka911: "WONKA! WONKA!"
911 Operator: "Sir, just chill and put on some music. Have some water and a snack. You probably won't die."



People refused to give up, but after two more days we still hadn't heard back:

It's been two days, so I think he's gone.

Let us have a moment of silence for this young adventurer who paid the ultimate sacrifice to push the barriers of what is possible.

.
.
.

And now, let the bongs toll...

Bong!
Bong!
Bong!
Bong!
Bong!

Godspeed wonka!

[dragonrider]

Next came Jsn9333.

His thread was called Ever Ingested Very Large Amounts of Weed?:

I've got some green dragon I made with everclear and trainwreck. I'd say the amount of weed in it is probably 8x what I would normally smoke to get stoned out of my mind. 16x what I'd normally smoke to just get a little buzzed. I planned on taking about a fourth of the green dragon to test its strength. But now I figure, why not just down it all and see what happens. It's impossible to overdose, practically, so why not?

So I've always wanted to do a solo winter backpacking trip for a few days. There's just something so spiritual about it. I'm a people person, but once in a while I love the absolute solitude the woods in winter provides. Just me and God. I've got all the cold weather gear and all that shit. I seriously might take this out with me and down it all. That could only increase the spirituality of the whole experience, I'd think. My last final exam is Dec. 13th... then I've got a nice break from school.

Let's say I go find a nice private spot out in the mountains of N.C., backpack in for a day, then drink the mixture and smoke a nice 'J' while it kicks in :-). What's the worst that can happen? I can't overdose. I guess I could get lost. But I'd have all my gear, so worst case is I just find my way out with my compass after I sober up. I guess the worst thing is that I'd loose my gear. That would be bad. Is it possible to get that stoned though?

Anyone ever ingested extremely large amounts of weed? The stories I've heard of things going wrong is always because the person calls the police or EMS b/c they're stupid and think its possible to overdose. I know that's not possible. Plus I wouldn't be able to call EMS if I wanted too. ;-)

Maybe I'll invite my cousin along just to have someone else there... but what an experience it'd be to be out in the middle of nowhere, just me and God, blazed out of my mind...



This time there were a lot of people who chimed in to warn him not to do it. Other adventurers had been warned before, but it was always too late. This time there was some discussion back and forth and some advice not to go into the snow and freak out. And Coelho brought up his list again.

But still, we were left with the impression that he had gone ahead and tried it, and we never heard from him again. And again people speculated that he had died.

I didn't think he had died:

Coelho's list is one of the funniest things I have ever seen on canncom. It's such a long-running joke now, but every month or so it seems you get another one to add. Some one posts something like, "Hey, I'm gonna eat all this ridiculous amount of weed and post back!" Then everyone says, "NOOOOOOO! Don't do it!" But it's as if it is too late and you never hear from them again! I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

I don't think they actually die, but they travel to another world which is much like an afterlife:

After posting their "Here I go!" message and eating all their weed, they begin to get a buzz.

They get totally baked.

Then even more high!

Ooops! Just a little bit too high!

Then they start to get a bit scared about what will come next!

Their bodies start to tingle, and the feel like they are being pulled and twisted in all different directions! Flipping over and over, and spinning in circles, until finally wrenching loose from their physical bodies and floating free in space!

Then everything becomes peaceful, and they hover there above their physical bodies. Watching themselves lay there on the carpet, surrounded by bongs, beer bottles, and empty Doritos bags. Able to see the whole room and think, "Man, this place is a freakin' mess!" And then thinking, "We'll at least I'm not laying in a snow bank!"

Slowly the room fades away and they are surrounded by darkness, but they are not afraid. A light shines in the darkness ahead. It glows brighter and brighter, and it seems to come closer. They feel a warmth from the light. A voice says, "Go into the light," and they feel themselves being drawn into it.

As it becomes brighter, they see that they are surrounded by smiling people. Is it their beloved grandparents who passed away years before? Could it be their favorite aunt that they haven't seen since they were small? Is it Abraham Lincoln and Plato and all the famous people of History?

No! It is Shamanic Hippie! And Sparknote! And Wonka911!!! All the previous canncom members who went off into the other dimension so long ago!!!!

They just smile and say "Welcome! We have so much to show you!" And they take them by the hand and lead them off into the mythical weed forest...

[dragonrider]

The last one I have is the curious case of Submarine

His thread was Leary Biscuits: The REAL Test:

Original thread: just ate 4 "leary biscuits"

well after reading the responses to the above thread, and wondering, did this guy really die, I have decided to recreate (to the best of my ability) the exact same thing that the original guy ate.

so as of right now I too have just eaten 4 "leary biscuits". ill keep updating you guys about what I feel and if it ever hits. unlike others, I promise (you will have to take my word) that I am not going to disappear just to get some attention, if I die I really won't return, and if I just get really high for the rest of tonight and probably tomorrow, well I will return as well.

**plan on updating by the hour or maybe every half hour depending on what the effects are**

SEE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE!


Then later he posted this:

UPDATE 1
I am not dead but I feel like I am sinking into another dimensions. I have tunnel vision and I laid motionless on what seemed like a bed for much of the night

Then this:

UPDATE 1.1
just to clear things up. I think there is more to come. I can feel something inside of me. I am now remembering that I might have gone and eaten another leary biscuit while I was high. I really cant remember much. this is scary.




After that, there was nothing for a long time. Here is my post:

Submarine? This is Mission Control. Do you copy?

Submarine? Are you there, Submarine? Please report.

Hellooooooo? Can your hear me, Submarine? You've missed your scheduled check in.

Well, at least he got 1.1 posts before he disappeared. Most of them just say, "I'm gonna eat all my weed at once! I'll tell you how it was! Here I go! Fuck yeah! Woooohoooo!" Then silence....

Let us review the mission:

At 16:50, all systems are go for blast off. Mission commander Submarine reports:

Quote:
Originally Posted by submarine
as of right now I too have just eaten 4 "leary biscuits". ill keep updating you guys about what I feel and if it ever hits. unlike others, I promise (you will have to take my word) that I am not going to disappear just to get some attention, if I die I really won't return, and if I just get really high for the rest of tonight and probably tomorrow, well I will return as well.

**plan on updating by the hour or maybe every half hour depending on what the effects are**

SEE YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE!

For the next 2.5 hours there are no reports, and concern on the ground mounts, but then at 19:27 a faint, scratchy, garbled transmission is received:


Quote:
Originally Posted by submarine
UPDATE 1
I am not dead but I feel like I am sinking into another dimensions. I have tunnel vision and I laid motionless on what seemed like a bed for much of the night

It's a confusing, but reassuring, message. Mission control rejoices!

However, two minutes later, at 19:29, it is followed by a chilling clarification:


Quote:
Originally Posted by submarine
UPDATE 1.1
just to clear things up. I think there is more to come. I can feel something inside of me. I am now remembering that I might have gone and eaten another leary biscuit while I was high. I really cant remember much. this is scary.

After "this is scary," there are no more transmissions, and all telemetry from the spacecraft is lost.

There is not enough information to decide conclusively, however Mission Control is currently operating under the assumption that our attempt to launch a Submarine into space met with catastrophe. Perhaps he exploded before reaching orbit. Or perhaps he burnt up on reentry. We may never know.

It is possible that he made it to another dimension and encountered a hostile alien life form, otherwise what are we to make of, "I can feel something inside of me"?

Or it is possible that Submarine survived the trip and has now joined Shamanic Hippie, Sparknote, Wonka and Jsn. We have a gallon of green dragon and six dozen Leary Biscuits if anyone would like to head up a rescue mission.



The interesting thing is that Submarine did check in later but he seemed to be "possessed" by some kind of alien. Strange posts ensued for some time afterward, but they are all lost now. The following day Submarine returned to normal, but he could not remember anything of his adventure. Even though he survived and returned, we never really learned anything about the "other side."

[Purple Banana]

You have waaaaaaaaaaay too much time, dragonrider.

I assure you, I know my limits, and I WILL come back to the boards.

I will be in a safe, familiar, and comfortable environment with a good friend.

[dragonrider]

You have waaaaaaaaaaay too much time, dragonrider.

Well, you are absolutely correct about that. I have way waaaaaay WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much time on my hands. My problem is that I can pretty much choose how to spend my time right now, and I end up choosing to spend too mcuh of it here. But that's probably an OK problem to have, I suppose.

Sorry about the thread hijack, but I had saved some of these stories before the forums they were in closed, and I wanted to post them back here again. Too bad the whole threads were lost, because they are a lot funnier and more instructive when they have the whole context. Oh well. Nothing is permanent on these crazy internets, is it?

We will now return to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress: Keif Green Dragon

[Purple Banana]

LOL...

Okay, so I have my Everclear, and I just poured it into a 2.4 ounce flask, along with 1/8 gram of mids and .5 grams of nice quality kief. Unfortunately, it's mostly green instead of amber, which means more cholorphyll, but that's okay, I'm certainly not drinking it for taste.

The mixture's murky with millions of little trichromes swimming in the sea of green, and I've put it into a dark place where I will keep it until this weekend, when I do a hot water bath to get the mixture a bit more concentrated.

Now we play the waiting game...

[Coelho]

Man... i must agree with PurpleBanana... You have WAYYY too much time, Dragonrider!
Anyway... is nice to see that all that posts were not lost... as they are a chapter of cann.com's history! And a very fun one! Hopefully we will have more of this posts :D

And PurpleBanana, you dont need to wait for weeks until the THC dissolve. If you use the water bath method, you can make the green dragon way faster. Just heat it in the water bath during about 1 hour. I heat it in a cup with a dish over its mouth, so the vapours of alcohol condenses there and returns to the cup.
Also, during the heating it starts to appear a thin layer of a dark oily thing just above the alcohol level, which keeps glued to the cups wall. This oily thing is hash oil, so whenever you see it, shake the cup a bit, so the alcohol washes it down and re-dissolves it.
After this 1 hour heating, the remaining alcohol (with all hash oil dissolved in it) can be drinked and enjoyed :stoned::stoned::stoned:

Im pretty sure several failures reported in g.d. is due this fact. People heats it and some hash oil keep glued to the cup's wall. They dont know about it, so they drink the alcohol and wash away "that oily thing that was glued to the cup" without knowing this "oily thing" was the most important part of the misture.

[Purple Banana]

SHIT! I just forgot to bake my cannabis/kief in the oven for the THCA-THC thing... Will it convert if I water bath it?

[Coelho]

Well... thats a hard question... ive read that the THCA is difficult to extract, and thats why we decarboxilate it first.
Yet, it seems that when the water bath heating is done for this large amount of time (1 hour), it is enough to decarboxilate it.
Dragonrider, who experimented a lot with green dragon could give you a more exact answer... my own answer is based on a post from him which says he could restore some old green dragon to its original potency after heating it.

http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/134243-isomerization-process-green-dragon-2.html#post1764722

So, in short... i would use the water bath heating during 1 hour... or even more, maybe 1.30 h... it would be enough.

EDIT: Anyway, for make sure all THC would be used, after extracting the green dragon, i would get the "extracted" weed, dry it, decarboxilate it in the oven and smoke it... if there were any THCA that werent extracted during the green dragon making, it would be converted into THC, and so the weed still would be "smokable" after the extraction.

[dragonrider]

SHIT! I just forgot to bake my cannabis/kief in the oven for the THCA-THC thing... Will it convert if I water bath it?


SONOFABEEEEEEEACH!!!!!

There goes your chance to visit Shamainc Hippie!

Actually, I think you can still save it. Master Wu did an experiment in which he used the 200F for 20 mins decarb process in the oven and compared it to his usual process where he used 325F for 5 mins. He didn't feel that 200F for 20 mins worked as well, so afterwards he cooked his GD for an hour or two and it got better. I've had GD lose potency over time, and after I heated it for an hour or so, it seemed like the high got better. I think the same thing will work for you.

My suggestion would be that you cook the whole mixture, weed and Everclear together, in the double boiler water bath setup for at least an hour, maybe two. I think that should decarboxylize it and maybe isomerize it a bit too.


I use a pyrex cup. Put the weed and Everclear in the pyrex cup.

Put an inch or two of water in a saucepan and bring it up to a gentle boil.

Set the pyrex cup inside the saucepan so that the hot water comes up the side part way, but does not spill into the cup.

Cover the saucepan with a lid. Or you could use Coelho's method of just covering the cup with a dish (or maybe aluminum foil) so that the alcohol returns to the liquid. I use the lid to keep the heat in and I just replenish the Everclear as it boils away. If you use a lid, be sure that the boil does not get too high inside the pan --- you just want a very gentle simmer.

Keep the simmer going for an hour or two. Because you skipped the decarboxylization step, I would lean towards 2 hours.

Monitor the simmer and the alcohol level in the cup. Do not let it overboil. And if the alcohol level drops, add more. As Coelho mentioned, if there is an oily ring, be sure to wash that with alcohol to keep it dissolved.

After the two hours, strain out the good green dragon into another cup and save it.

I like to do a second extraction by adding the strained out solids back into the original cup and adding some more fresh Everclear. Bring it up to temperature, but it is not necessary to boil it for so long, maybe just 10 or 15 minutes. Then stain that out and add the second extraction to the first.

Figure out your dosing. Mix it into a drink. Chug it on down. And say Hi to Shamanic Hippie from us!

Then post back and tell us how it was!


Good luck and have fun!

[Purple Banana]

I'll do that, dragonrider! Shit, I wish I could rep you more, this advice is REALLY REALLY appreciated! THANK YOU!

I am doing it this weekend while house sitting, I've let my sittees know what I'm doing, and they're great with it. I'm sitting with another good friend, so it should be a great weekend! :stoned:

[Purple Banana]

So this is what it looks like so far... Gorgeous emerald color, but I'm thinking that's the cholorophyll leaching from the bud... How does it look to youse guys?

[Coelho]

Well... it actually looks beautiful to the eyes but... only to the eyes, im afraid.
When i make green dragon it is WAY darker... its brownish and almost opaque. Im almost sure your emerald green solution has only chlorophyll...
Anyway, you will get most (if not all) THC from the weed when you hot water bath it. The extraction of thc by alcohol at room temperature takes a LOT of time, and as it wasnt decarboxilated, great part of THC still is in the THCA form, which is not extracted by the alcohol. Only when you heat it the THCA will be converted into THC and extracted to the alcohol.

[Purple Banana]

Do you think water bath will turn it the correct brownish color if I do it for 1.5-2 hours?

[Coelho]

Well... i wouldnt say the dark brownish color i got is the "right" color... im sure it depends on the weed... the weed i use is always very decarboxilated (even a bit toasted) and maybe thats why i get a very dark tinge on it... maybe non-decarboxilated weed produces a lighter color. But surely your green dragon is still too clear.
Anyway, after heating it for this 1.5-2 hours all the "extractable" THC will be extracted, and the green dragon will be as dark as it could be.

PS. A thing a forgot to comment in the last post. Nice Dark Side's poster in the background! :thumbsup:

[dragonrider]

I think it will be fine after the water bath, probably a bit darker and a bit more opaque. I decarboxylize my bud first, and it gets a bit toasted and dried. I think that actually destroys or changes some of the chlorophyl, so less of it goes into the liquid, and it ends up with more of a yellowish-green undertone, sort of chartreuse.

One thing I forgot to mention in the instructions was that I use a fine-mesh strainer with a metal screen to strain the bud material out of the extracted GD. I don't know if that will work as well with the keif you have in there. I've never used a coffee filter because I worry that maybe some very fine particles of good stuff might not be fully dissolved and might be in suspension and might get filtered out. I'd rather have it a little cloudy than a little weaker. I'd suggest using the strainer and then seeing if that was acceptable or not.

I was wondering what you are thinking of for dosing. I made my last batch with 4 grams of good bud, and 1/24th of that makes for a pretty good time. (I diluted mine into a 24-ounce bottle of liqueur, and I take 1-ounce shots.) You've got 1/8th of mids and .5g of keif, so that is about 4 grams total if it was a full 3.5 gram eighth. But it's hard to compare the quality of the starting material without seeing them both. Also, I kind of tend to be on the lightweight end of the scale, so my 1-ounce shot might not be strong enough for what you are looking for. Anyway, you need a way to measure out your amounts so that you get enough, but you don't get twice what you want (or 4x or 8x!). Master Wu ends up with very concentrated tinctures, and he uses an eye-dropper to measure. I'm not sure how Coelho does it. (Coelho?) I would say that in the best case, you might have 24 "servings" like I got. In the worst case it will be maybe a dozen, but probably not less. You'll need a way to measure out somewhere between 1/24th and 1/12th of what you make. Or a way to dilute it to a measureable quantity.

[Purple Banana]

Mine will probably be boiled down to 1 oz of liquid, and then taken with a measured eyedropper- 2ccs at first, then move on if it feels appropriate.

[dragonrider]

Mine will probably be boiled down to 1 oz of liquid, and then taken with a measured eyedropper- 2ccs at first, then move on if it feels appropriate.

Good plan.

[dragonrider]

I'm sure you'll have a good time with this --- be sure to post back and let us know how it went.

[Purple Banana]

Okay, I put the mixture in a water bath for 1.4 hours, adding more Everclear as it dissolved away. I'm going to continue this weekend because my parents walked in, smelled it, and wanted me to make them some 'chicken rub marinade' because it smelled so good :D

Here it is filtered (I have the solids still)

[Coelho]

Good work Purplebanana... now it looks much more green dragon-like... you could drink it right now if you wished. If you were not do so, store the bottle in a dark (as dark as possible) and cold place, as light destroys the THC, and heat increases its oxidation by air.
And please tell us when you drink it!

[jimmy8778]

i wish i could be there to see this go down, it will be a big day in history.

[Flameon]

Do you think water bath will turn it the correct brownish color if I do it for 1.5-2 hours?

Nice job Purple Banana, and thanks for posting up pictures, they really help to give an idea of what to look for when making this stuff.

This thread and the contributions from Coelho and dragonrider have really inspired me to experiment a bit more with some Green Dragon recipes.

Quick question though, I was considering reducing down the 'Everclear' by standing a Cafetiere on a 'hot-plate'. They have built in filter screens so should allow the weed to remain in contact with the liquid but making it slightly easier to strain.
What do you guys think, anyone used a similar system?

[jimmy8778]

it looks like it would atleast work in the sense that it would be easier to strain the product, though it should not be completely substituted, as the screen isnt very fine and some particles could get through making for a salad like drink.

[Purple Banana]

That's really cool, Flameon. I think it might work :thumbsup:

I'm gonna add some more Everclear today, and just boil it down one more time to make sure, even though it looks good to go. I'm not going to add as much, just a nip, I don't want to agitate the mixture any more than it has to, but I'd like to be sure of a good trip.

THANK you guys all, and I will give a detailed green dragon report after I take it. I'll be house sitting this weekend, mostly without a computer, but I'll let you all know :D

That is, if I come back from The Void... :woohoo:

[Coelho]

Flameon, as you already cooked a lot with weed, i was sure you already had made a lot of green dragon also... you surprised me. Anyway, welcome to the world of the green dragons!
That cafetiere is VERY nice and surely will be very useful for making green dragon. If the weed were not ground too fine, may be possible you dont need to filter the green dragon after the heating.
Just remember to shake the cafetiere whenever a brownish ring of oily stuff start to form just above the level of alcohol, to re-dissolve it... doing so, nothing else can go wrong.

PurpleBanana, i think your green dragon its already ready. Anyway, heating a bit more cant do any harm... it may even extract a bit more of THC...
I dont know how much you smoke, or how high is your tolerance level, but im pretty sure if you drink all this green dragon (which contains .5g of kief) you will be HIGHHHHH... :stoned::abduct:
A thing i use to do when taking such great amounts of weed is to keep a kind of "diary". Whenever i feel any effect i write "20 minutes after drinking: starting feel heavy"... cause for me its the only way to remember the "trip"... large doses of weed completly messes up my memory, and the day after i only remember "i dont know what happened... it seems i had a looong dream... or i went to a farrr place... but how it was?..." So, doing this "diary" thing helps me to remember the "trip".

I will wait for hear your story, and Flameons also!
So, good luck for you both, and have a nice trip! :thumbsup::abduct:

EDIT: Just remember to drink it on an empty stomach! It is very important, and can be the difference between a great high and a crappy one.

[jimmy8778]

i think you shoukd do 2 of 2 things, first is record everything that happens, video with audio would be best, then audio, then video, i think it would be awesome to see this go down, even with a time lapse effect on it to make it last only a minute. And just so that when you go to the otherside of the universe write down the website and leave a note telling someone that incase of transcendence let us know.

[jimmy8778]

oh, and quick note, if i hear about it on the news ill make sure to laugh my ass off.

[jimmy8778]

i wonder how this went

[Purple Banana]

Okay, so this is what went down this weekend. I brought my GD with me, added more Everclear, boiled it down again, and extracted a bit more stuff from the remaining colorless duff. I had smoked a few times this weekend, and my tolerance is fairly noticable, so I took 3 drops, and added them to a screwdriver with some more Everclear. I did not eat anything. I took a shower, and came out. An hour had passed since I drank the semi-okay tasting mixture.

Bottom line is, I didn't feel a thing. I know I made it properly, it was completely opaque and the expected golden green color. I am highly (no pun intended :stoned:) convinced it definitely had something to do with my tolerance; I've smoked mids every day, usually about 1/4 gram per day for two years now. I'm abstaining from weed this and part of next week, namely because I can't afford it because of tuition, books, and I've worked dramatically less than I have in the past.

So yeah, I was disappointed, but not wholly surprised... I'll let you all know when I'm attempting it again, probably going to be the weekend of Feb 2nd, probably February 3rd, since I'm off that day.

[Coelho]

Damn... its very disappointing to read this... i was sure you would tell us a great history about how high you got... :(
Anyway... how much green dragon you got at the end of the process, and how much of it did you drink?

[BuzzPion]

Three drops? Ain't no where near enough. This isn't LSD. Try three droppers full (or about 3ml).

Buzz

[dragonrider]

Damn... its very disappointing to read this... i was sure you would tell us a great history about how high you got... :(
Anyway... how much green dragon you got at the end of the process, and how much of it did you drink?


Three drops? Ain't no where near enough. This isn't LSD. Try three droppers full (or about 3ml).

Buzz

I was hoping to hear an epic story of legendary proportions as well. Sorry it didn't work out --- the outer dimensions are lovely this time of year.

How much of the total recipe did you take? I'm guessing you probably had about 15 strong doses total --- do you think you tried about 1/15th? If it was actully 3 drops you tried, then I am guessing that was not enough --- probably 3 droppers is what you are looking for (depending on the total volume). I don't think tolerance would make much of a difference. If you had enough, you would definitley feel it. With a proper dose, "resistance is futile!"

[Coelho]

This isn't LSD

Unfortunately, man... unfortunately...

[Purple Banana]

I took dropperfuls- each was 1ml...

[BuzzPion]

Then I suggest you follow the recipe exactly to spec. I don't think I ever heard anyone who followed the recipe, to the letter, that did not produce decent green dragon. Most important is accurate temp of the oven for the 5 minute carbolization process. I use an infra-red temp gauge.

http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/82380-definitive-green-dragon-revised-updated-combined.html

Buzz

[Purple Banana]

I don't have any more bud left, nor am I getting any for a long time; I'm saving up for my Canada trip :P

[deathduck]

I posted a green dragon topic once when I drank my entire batch of green dragon at once. I was in the void, and let me tell you it is a little intense.

My batch was made of everclear so there was some alcohol influence as well, but I felt as if I was under a mysterious gravity making it very hard to move.

I don't think I was mentally capable to post on the forums, I barley managed to start my CD player up with my fav. CD. It was very nice but a little too (a lot) intense for my tastes.

[jimmy8778]

yeah, i was hoping that today would come and there would be epic reports of a person reaching a level of enlightenment to the degree that they would never feel sad again. But maybe if the whole thing had been drank, it doesnt matter too much that you didnt though, and it sucks even worse that you didnt feel anything, but i know how that is, the last week ive smoked 3 times and havent had enough to get me noticably high because i didnt work for 4 days and my license was suspended so i just sat around all day smoking nonstop, and now i cant, but thats cause my friend got shit weed.

[Coelho]

Purplebanana, from the amount of kief/bud you used to make this g.d., it would be enough for some 2-3 doses. So, if you drank much less than 1/3 of it, the effects should not be very noticeable indeed.
If you still have the remaining g.d., i would suggest to drink 1/2 of it for a nice high, or even all of it for a trip to the borders of the other world. (Only to the borders... to cross them you would need much more... :stoned:)
Anyway, dont give up! After you have a nice "trip" with it you will simply love it! So, good luck! :thumbsup:

[jimmy8778]

im not saying that pb failed, but how intense would it have been if she had made it with several gs of keif alone? i mean that would blow your mind, especially if it got boiled down to a cup or less of liquid.

it kinda makes you think of what you could do if you keep saving your keif right?

[dragonrider]

Purplebanana, from the amount of kief/bud you used to make this g.d., it would be enough for some 2-3 doses. So, if you drank much less than 1/3 of it, the effects should not be very noticeable indeed.
If you still have the remaining g.d., i would suggest to drink 1/2 of it for a nice high, or even all of it for a trip to the borders of the other world. (Only to the borders... to cross them you would need much more... :stoned:)
Anyway, dont give up! After you have a nice "trip" with it you will simply love it! So, good luck! :thumbsup:

Wait, wait, wait! I think it's more than 2 or 3 doses! Or maybe not? I went back and looked at the original recipe and, Purple Banana, you said you used "1/8 gram of mids and .5 grams keif." I guess I read it as 1/8 ounce mids, for a combined total of about 4 grams weed. Was it 1/8 ounce mids or 1/8 grams? If it was 1/8 ounce, then you probably have about 15 doses. If it was 1/8 grams, for a combined total of .625 grams weed, then a lot less, maybe 2 to 3, like Coelho said. Darn these metric vs English units! Isn't that why that Mars lander crashed a few years ago --- a mixup between Eglish and metric?

Anyway, this dosing thing is critical, because if you are off, you either dont't get high at all, or you go into the void and never return. I'm glad you erred on the side of caution and didn't just go straight to Jupiter.

But I'm also wondering if maybe Coelho is bored with the lack of volunteers for his list and he is trying to get you to chug down that whole bottle just so he can add another one to his wanted poster! Shame, Coelho! Shame!