12x12" micro grow.

[sharkfinz]

Hi everyone,

OK in this grow there was a strict criteria to follow, factors included minimal use of electricity/ability to control odors/being discreet and having the ability to be mobile. Eventually it was decided that a foot square box would be built from plywood. It will use 57 watts of CFL (2x11watt 1x15watt 1x20watt) and all the materials used were recycled. The initial plan was to grow the plant onto a screen (scrog) but due to several issues the method is still undecided, this is the reason sharky's grow diary is being started early. :)

The pots shown contain a seed each and each seed has been germinated via the tissue method. Unfortunately there can only be one plant grown in this minimal space and the strongest female will be selected.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00092.jpg

When the strongest plant has been chosen, it will be transplanted into an 8 inch pot and the pot will be under the grow box (need to cut circle in the bottom) so the pot doesn't eat into valuable space.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00093.jpg

Q's I have:

Scrog or LST?
12/12 from seed or veg?(if veg, how long?)


Sharky understands that there are several issues with the initial parts of this grow, mainly concerning the plants sex; naturally this will have to be determined before any training can take place. Sharky is aware that there may be issues with shock when re potting a flowering plant but there seems to be no way around this (any ideas?). If the plant was to be grown onto a screen, would it be possible to train the plant around the full perimeter of the screen and then grow it diagonally across (total length about 5 foot horizontal)?

For this first grow a nice easy LST is preferred but not sure if lack of space would be a factor.

Comments and suggestions appreciated. :rasta:

[beginerbuddah]

honestly i cant see this working
you would have to lst them almost as soon as the sprouted
you can only realy just grow 1 plant and train it to the screen and just hope its female
that little space will be like an ovan aswell
ive grown in some pretty small spaces but this takes the biscuit
i hope u find a way to pull it off mate :thumbsup:

[midlifecrisis]

Well first off, good luck.

It is possible to grow a decent plant around 12" tall using 12/12 from start to finish.
I did it with white widow and yielded an ounce.

You will want to make sure you can get your plant right up to the lights as I also have had a plant in 12/12 from seed that wound up over 2' tall. I did not have the lighting close enough and it stretched.

If you veg first, how will you know if they are female? My guess is that by the time you get pre-flowers you will have used up your 12".

I would go with 12/12 right off the bat and LST. if you are lucky and get preflowers early enough you may be able to wrap 2 girls in that space but that would be pushing it. also be wary of heat issues in a small space, evan with floros.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Wish you the best of luck on this one. You are in a situation that can be a big waste of time if you end up with males ( I truly hope you have good luck and get a female right off the bat ) the only seamless way for this to work is to get a cloan, that dosen't appeare to be an option.
Just an observation I have noticed while growing, your strongest and fastest growing from seed tends to be male.

[sharkfinz]

First ever ganja plant (1/4). :o:rasta:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/22-01.jpg

She is sitting on the window sill currently, this OK?
I was thinking starting 12/12 cycle tomorrow.

Anyway, she is going to be LST'd rather than scrogged, so stay tuned. :rasta:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I understand what you are trying to do, if this works more power to you.

As for going to 12/12 tomarrow your plant will think it is spring not fall and probably not go into flower.You need to keep it at 18/6 min for I guess a week or two or untill you have your first set of 7 finger leaves, even then it is not sexualy mature.
You may want to look into a strain that is auto flowering like LOW RIDER. This strain is geneticaly designed for the conditions you have.

You have to realize you are trying somthing that most of us never bothered trying, so you are not going to be able to get much advice with experiance behind it.

[Skrappie]

I always enjoy watching micro grows.


Anyone who has the skill to pull off smokeables in such "harsh" conditions would do very well in their own room. I will joyfully keep an eye on your grow.

[Skrappie]

First ever ganja plant (1/4). :o:rasta:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/22-01.jpg

She is sitting on the window sill currently, this OK?
I was thinking starting 12/12 cycle tomorrow.

Anyway, she is going to be LST'd rather than scrogged, so stay tuned. :rasta:

Also, As long as your window Sill does not get too cold. That would be the only thing i would worry about in that situation.

There is nothing wrong with 12/12 from seed, But your plant is going to veg for about 2 weeks regardless, considering your space, i'd say thats a good idea.:thumbsup:

[sharkfinz]

From the frail cotyledon yesterday to a strong one inch seedling at the end of day two. :thumbsup:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/23-01.jpg

As planned I started the 12/12 flowing process today with the plant very close to the CFL's. Unfortunatly the other three seeds have not started to sprout yet so if this remains the case I am relying on this single plant to be a female, fingers crossed.

[sharkfinz]

OK I'm bored so I will post some pictures. :rasta:

Day 7 of life for my children, and as you can see I ended up with three seedlings out of four seeds. Though I know for a fact that the fourth seed deffinetly germinated because I saw the tap root, but it had been planted for over a week and no sign of life. I was worried that the soil was going to attract fungus so I dug the seed up to descover it had not progressed from a tap root which I thought bizarre. I did the naturally inquisative thing and popped the seed.. the smell was putrid! :( :wtf: God knows what happened but it was dead alright (any explanations here?).

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00117.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00119.jpg

Can anyone explane why one is considerably larger than the other two?

Anyway, stay tuned stoners. :thumbsup:

[cman20118ut]

is this bag seed by any chance? that could partially be it, b/c with bagseed you get variable genetics even from the same original plant much like if you had a dog that had puppies...also it could be getting better light some how or it could be a male...there isn't any way to tell thus far

[sharkfinz]

is this bag seed by any chance? that could partially be it, b/c with bagseed you get variable genetics even from the same original plant much like if you had a dog that had puppies...also it could be getting better light some how or it could be a male...there isn't any way to tell thus far

Hi dude,

No I bought the seeds fresh and they are the same strain so that can't be the reason for the difference and it's getting the same light as the other plants. I mean it did start sprouting a few days before the other seedlings, so that's a possibility. I will be keeping a close eye on it when it starts to flower as it deffinetly could be a male, though it is the star of the grow so far so I am taking good care of it.

[bvrian]

Good luck! The soil looks a bit compacted...you might want to add some verm or perlite to make it more airy.

[pinky27]

I have a friend (who is also a member on these forums) who has a micro grow going right now. i believe the dimensions of his are like 18" x 6" but i will definitely keep my eyes on this thread.

[sharkfinz]

Hey all,

Grow is going OK, though the two smaller seedlings have hardly grow at all, I am still looking after them but I am relying on the largest seedling which is exactly 14 days old under 12/12 light and started showing what I believe to be pre flowers yesterday. I am not sure if the plants sex can be determined just yet but I will post a picture of it and see what others think.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/pre.jpg

Anyone ID the sex?
(pic edited to hide fingerprints btw..)

[zebulon]

Those are not pre-flowers...takes a little longer, be patient...:thumbsup:

[sharkfinz]

Those are not pre-flowers...takes a little longer, be patient...:thumbsup:

haha.

[michaelpeg]

haha?

[scagster]

haha?

Haha!


I wouldn't worry about starting to check for preflowers until you get leaves that are at least 5 blades. You still got itty bitty babies. :smokin:

[CptnChronic]

hey,
first off good luck with your micro. i think you could pull it off with some good fim and topping.

how you were saying about having a seed germ but not sprout... i have had that happen to be before also. It was a MK seed. The only logical explanation i could come up was "mishandling of the seed when it was transplanted to the soil/grow medium." maybe that helps ya with that.

[Shovelhandle]

hey, good luck with this experiment, sharky! i'll be watching and learning (i never did a micro grow befo)

shov

[sharkfinz]

Thanks for everyones comments! :rasta:

The big seedling is really flurishing and the two tiddlers have been catching up to their sis in the last few days, next update will be when I can see flowers, hopefully in the next two weeks, cheers stoners. :)

[sharkfinz]

Hi peeps,

Well the strongest plant is showing what appear to be the dreaded balls, so I'm 95% sure it is male, everyone agree?

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00202.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00201.jpg

I am still waiting for the runts growth spurt, I am waiting and wait.......ZZZZzzzzzzzzzz I am beginning to think that as they are growing so slowly, they are likely to be fems, but for almost a month old, they are pathetically small.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00203.jpg

I have been thinking about terminating the grow, just wanted opinions/advice before I do.

Ty stoners. :hippy:

[zebulon]

Hey Sharky...well the first really appears to be a male, but i am not 100% sure yet...don't pull it until you are 100%...
About terminating the grow....i don't know why you want to terminate them, they look good...every big plant starts as a little one....but if you don't want to smoke your own weed, and instead buy it for a ridiculously high price....well you know best...:thumbsup:

[basementbotany]

yeah man, def. looks male to me as well! sry bro. btw, don't pull the plug yet, there are people out there excited to learn a little off this! very interesting, don't quit now!

[BIGFattie]

naw dont pull it yet, wait a lil longer, sometimes mother nature works her magic. :thumbsup:

[maspino1]

DON'T terminate! if you were tired of your grow you could spend less time on it and start a
new one.
it's like those times when you get tired of something like a fish or flowers in the summer and
you leave it alone but just water and feed and then all of a sudden you start to notice
how much different it was than before
what's that saying? a watched pot of water never boils or something?
i saw it on shroomery but it's something like that

[melodious fellow]

I understand what you are trying to do, if this works more power to you.



You have to realize you are trying somthing that most of us never bothered trying, so you are not going to be able to get much advice with experiance behind it.

haha. I just recently fucked up two separate micro grows!

Learned a hell of a lot that I did not learn reading Greg's grow bible or the many other guides I have seen.

Anyway, back to this.

As someone mentioned, in a micro grow, the plant is already being subjected to rather harsh conditions.

Lack of light, sometimes lack of fresh air, small space, heat issues, etc are all potential problems in a micro grow.

In order for a micro to work, all other variables must be dialed in in order for the plant to survive in the harsh conditions of not enough light, air, etc.

In my micro grows, the largest problem faced was heat and light issues. Either too hot or not enough light (prolly both)

If this was my only problem, the plants likely would have merely grown slow and yielded slightly less.

However, combined with faulty Ph meters, my grow is dead.

Even if you have to abandon this one, don't give up on micro growing. Just make shore you start with the correct soil in the correct pots and give correct care, etc. Have everything else dialed in if you can only give 57 watts of CFLs and all the other micro problems we face.

O and regarding 12/12. I used that method on the last grow. Growth was extremely slow and none of the plants got any taller than 4 or 5 inches.

However, under 12/12, the plants flowered after a little over a month, one producing lots of white pistils and some crystals at only 3 inches tall, and it is a skinny plant.

I am not going with 12/12 again. At least until I get a good harvest to fill the jars first.

good luck, keep us updated.

peace

[sharkfinz]

Hey all,

OK, in my hesitant n00bness, I was going to abandon the grow due to me believing the plant was showing sex.. in actual fact the so called buds were actually side shoots.. a bit embarrassing, sure. :wtf: :rasta:

Anyway they have been vegging and maturing but are yet to show pre flowers, but I'm not in a hurry. The runts have grown some and the biggest is going to have to be repotted shortly and LST'd.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00236.jpg

Biggest:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00242.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00238.jpg

The runts:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii2/sharky222/DSC00239.jpg

K, thanks now stoners, update when appropriate. :thumbsup:

[sharkfinz]

Also, the more I look at the plants I am certainly thinking that they are of different phenos. If you look at the runt on the right in the last picture, it is looking (IMO) more indica dominant.. all three are different in some way, it seems like it was a mixed bag of seeds. Anyone agree?

[melodious fellow]

Also, the more I look at the plants I am certainly thinking that they are of different phenos. Anyone agree?

Nope, shorely do not.

Just based on the actual shape of the leaves, they all seem to be pretty indica dominent and of the same phenotype as well. I could be wrong though, just MHO.

The tallest one is likely male, thus the faster growing and very slightly different shape, almost a sativa like look.

The "runt" as you say will likely be female and will really get bushy.

Your grow looks great bro. So happy you stuck with them! :hippy:

[sharkfinz]

Your grow looks great bro. So happy you stuck with them! :hippy:

Thanks mel, you the man.

I have enjoyed just simply growing and looking after these little plants, but hopefully one day they will give me a couple of joints as a treat. :)

[SimonMakus]

Um, dude, what are you using as a medium? Mud?:wtf:
Really though, where's the dirt from/what's in it?

Noble idea for this microgrow, however! You could minimize stretching by using daylight bulbs instead. If not, the stretch would be beneficial to LST. Remember, any training at all (LST, ScROG, FIM/top/) will increase total growth time. If you're going 12/12 from start I'd steer clear from FIMing, and keep LST to a minimum. Should stay pretty short though if you are 12/12 from seed...

[sharkfinz]

Um, dude, what are you using as a medium? Mud?:wtf:
Really though, where's the dirt from/what's in it?

Noble idea for this microgrow, however! You could minimize stretching by using daylight bulbs instead. If not, the stretch would be beneficial to LST. Remember, any training at all (LST, ScROG, FIM/top/) will increase total growth time. If you're going 12/12 from start I'd steer clear from FIMing, and keep LST to a minimum. Should stay pretty short though if you are 12/12 from seed...

Thank you for your subtle inquiries about my grow medium.:rolleyes:
It is nothing flashy/all bells whistles with perlite, it is simply the first compost that I found in the garage that I thought would be adequate. It probably out of a grow bag, other than that I have no idea.

Regarding the lights; I am not spending any money on lamps as that would defeat the object, plus they see to be growing OK under the ones they are currently under. They have gone though the normal stages of growth and I believe the next stage is the dankness, :thumbsup: believe me you will know about it if and when that day comes. ;)

[SimonMakus]

lol bells and whistles with perlite? First time I've heard that one :)

I mentioned it because your slow growth could be caused by overwatering. It just seems wet in quite a few photos, but oddly your leaves show no signs!

I totally understand doing this on the cheap, man. I wasn't saying to throw out all your lights and buy new shit, just giving you something to think about if you're trying to keep them short. Also, regarding the soil, quality is pretty important in order to avoid problems down the road. You were ready to throw in the towel - we don't want that to happen. Keep at it, and keep reading. :smokin:

[melodious fellow]

No need to fix it if it is not broken, but on your next grow you might could start with some high quality soil like Fox Farm Ocean Forest... I am a recent convert and quite happy with the results!

peace Finz!

[SimonMakus]

"No need to fix it if it is not broken"

Yes, there is; i.e. a preemptive strike. I'm trying to help with future problems he could run into. I also noticed he's got the start of some fert burn. If you use a high-quality soil there's really no need to feed until the switch. I mean come on, the guy referenced soil with perlite in it as "bells and whistles." That kind of attitude is indicative, coupled with the willingness to quit after small problems, that more worries are to follow.

On a lighter note, the one picture from the 27th looks like a Cingular commercial. Maybe get in touch with the advertising dept? :)

[sharkfinz]

"No need to fix it if it is not broken"

Yes, there is; i.e. a preemptive strike. I'm trying to help with future problems he could run into. I also noticed he's got the start of some fert burn. If you use a high-quality soil there's really no need to feed until the switch. I mean come on, the guy referenced soil with perlite in it as "bells and whistles." That kind of attitude is indicative, coupled with the willingness to quit after small problems, that more worries are to follow.

On a lighter note, the one picture from the 27th looks like a Cingular commercial. Maybe get in touch with the advertising dept? :)

You seem to thrive by putting a negative spin on things, it's not helpful at all. Go away. :)

[zebulon]

Looking good Sharkfinz...:thumbsup: what lights are you using ???

[zebulon]

oops...i found it...:icon506:

[SimonMakus]

Sorry you feel that way, Shark. I won't post in any of your upcoming "what's wrong with my plants?" threads. Take care, bud ;)

[BIGFattie]

seems to be going well! hope to see more posts and pictures soon:thumbsup::smokin:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sharkfinz,

Looks like you are well on the way to proving to me that a super micro can be done:)

I am just curious. You have had them under 12/12 from seed? I am nothing near a botinist. But by doing that wouldn't the plant think it is spring? if so then you would have to increase the light period for say a week to 18/6 so the plant thinks it is summer then go back to 12/12 for the plant to think fall is comming to get them to flower. I am not sure at all on this but makes sense to me.

I am sure someone will answer this question.

Again my hats off to you. Good grow so far. And we are all learning.

JG.

[carinia]

Ive never started from 12/12 but I would think that as soon as it is mature (interval nodes) then it would just flower, without a "summer".

Im watching this thread closely just cuz.. well theyre just cute. :) Plus who can resist such a fun experiment?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I am just comparing this to an outdoor plants life cycle. When a plant sprouts in the spring it is usually 12/12 with the sun at that time, then gradually increasing to 18/6 then back down in the fall to 12/12.

Sorry just being my usual anitllitical self.

[sharkfinz]

Sharkfinz,

Looks like you are well on the way to proving to me that a super micro can be done:)

I am just curious. You have had them under 12/12 from seed? I am nothing near a botinist. But by doing that wouldn't the plant think it is spring? if so then you would have to increase the light period for say a week to 18/6 so the plant thinks it is summer then go back to 12/12 for the plant to think fall is comming to get them to flower. I am not sure at all on this but makes sense to me.

I am sure someone will answer this question.

Again my hats off to you. Good grow so far. And we are all learning.

JG.

Hey Jerry,

Under 12/12 they should auto flower when they are mature, at least I hope they will, lol! In fact they should start flowering any time now. I have stopped feeding them N so they can put some effort into being more 'productive' than simply vegging away. :wtf:

I know it's early for a piccy update, though I couldn't resist this evening and had to take one. I re potted the largest at the weekend and LST'd (pushed her horizontal!) as it was getting scorched on the lights. Also the awaited spurt of 'the runts' occurred some time over the last few days and they are also at the top of the bud box, one appears to be root bound so I may have to re pot it tomorrow.

I worked out that they are about 43 days old and so they should be ready by early may.. can't wait to try T44 as I have heard good things about it.

Cheers now stoner's. :hippy:

[sharkfinz]

Im watching this thread closely just cuz.. well theyre just cute. :) Plus who can resist such a fun experiment?

Thanks man!

Yes, it is a kind of experiment, growing on the cheap haha. :rasta:

[zebulon]

The plants look real good & healthy Sharkfinz.....:thumbsup: it's a good thing that you didn't killed them....

[melodious fellow]

But by doing that wouldn't the plant think it is spring? if so then you would have to increase the light period for say a week to 18/6 so the plant thinks it is summer then go back to 12/12 for the plant to think fall is comming to get them to flower. I am not sure at all on this but makes sense to me.

I am sure someone will answer this question.



Nope.... they just flower when they are ready (or perhaps before they are really ready, hence lower yields)

I started some under 12/12, they showed sex after 3 weeks or so and produced really crystally bud after 5 weeks or so, at about 5 inches tall lol... but only a jay's worth...

Your theory does work however. If started on 12/12, seeds will develop great roots much faster.. Then switching to 18/6, they think it is spring and jump into growth.

peace

[sharkfinz]

The plants look real good & healthy Sharkfinz.....:thumbsup: it's a good thing that you didn't killed them....

Cheers zeb. :bowsdown: :D


I started some under 12/12, they showed sex after 3 weeks or so and produced really crystally bud after 5 weeks or so, at about 5 inches tall lol... but only a jay's worth...

OK mel, now I scratching my head!
The oldest plant is 42 days old, so that is exactly six weeks and it/they are still not showing me what sex they are. I am pretty sure there are no light leaks; in any case they are lit during the day so they are dark at night.

How many nodes do they get before being 'mature'? (oldest has 7)
Hmm, this is puzzling me, can anyone hazard a guess?

Sharky - ever so slightly concerned :wtf: :rasta:

[zebulon]

Hey Shark do you have any pics of the tops?? Maybe we can see pre-flowers....

[sharkfinz]

Hey Shark do you have any pics of the tops?? Maybe we can see pre-flowers....

Yeah I've got some pics of them.
But to be honest I'm not sure I can see much, however I may be able to see a cluster of balls forming on the oldest one, others can give their oppinion but if that was a male it would not surprise me, but the other two are just not showing IMO.

Pic 1 Plant 1 etc:

[zebulon]

Well in the first pic...you are rite, that looks like a male...but don't kill it, wait a few days to be sure....in the other pix i can't really see the section where the pre-flowers appear...

[melodious fellow]

Hey Jerry! That old thread about you looking for a place to smoke in the rain with an apple got reopened last night and someone said you had not posted since.. I was scratching my head thinking.. I could have swore I was talking to Jerry in some thread the other day... and here it is! yay for stoners, huh?


Cheers zeb. :bowsdown: :D


OK mel, now I scratching my head!
The oldest plant is 42 days old, so that is exactly six weeks and it/they are still not showing me what sex they are.

Finz, genetics can vary greatly... especially if we are growing different strains. What it your strain?

I wouldn't worry about it though. They will eventually show sex, and probably soon.

Your plants are doing extremely well in my opinion for only having 57 watts of CFL at the beginning, not to mention running 12/12. Mine never even got as big as yours are now.

Usually a sign of maturity is alternating nodes. Hopefully soon after you will see glorious white pistils everywhere.

Just remember, 12/12 from seed is an entirely different animal, and one that many are skeptical of. I know you will be patient and diligent and show everyone here that a good harvest is possible even using 12/12 even not dialed in.

I couldn't do it my first 12/12 grow, but the force is strong with this one

keep in touch

peace

[sharkfinz]

Thanks for the detailed reply mel.

Yes the oldest and biggest looks male, I have looked at it under daylight and it's a cluster of balls all right, but I need to free up some space so one needs to go at one point. I will also have a good bet that the other two are fems, they smell stronger also IMO.

Strain is seedsman top skunk 44.

[sharkfinz]

G'day stoners, boys and girls. :rasta:

Sketchy situation is that I am pretty sure I can see tiny little white hairs popping out of some of the buds, they are roughly 1/4 of a MM currently so I guess that puts a twist to the saga. :thumbsup:

..and a very unflattering pic of the bud box today. You can see how cramped it is all getting and the logistics are proving awkward if not kind of fun.

cheers and all have a good 'un.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

looks like you have horizontal space, keep LST going during the strech period.

[melodious fellow]

Looking nice! are you switching to flowering soon, or staying in veg for a while for those little seedlings in the pic?

peace

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

After thinking a few minutes. I think you entering the strech phase.

So fasten your seatbelt's this is going to be a bumppy ride:)

I would continue to LST With string and weights to take full advantage of the horizontal space. You will more than likely have to prune and top during this phase just to keep things under control even though it is not recommended in the flowering phase.

I think if you make it thru the next 3 weeks you are in the clear growth wise.

BOL JG.

[sharkfinz]

looks like you have horizontal space, keep LST going during the stretch period.

I hear ya there!


Looking nice! are you switching to flowering soon, or staying in veg for a while for those little seedlings in the pic?

peace

They have been on 12/12 all their life, the little seedlings are habanero chilies, they love the warmth and glow of the bud box too. :thumbsup:

[sharkfinz]

After thinking a few minutes. I think you entering the strech phase.

So fasten your seatbelt's this is going to be a bumppy ride:)

I would continue to LST With string and weights to take full advantage of the horizontal space. You will more than likely have to prune and top during this phase just to keep things under control even though it is not recommended in the flowering phase.

I think if you make it thru the next 3 weeks you are in the clear growth wise.

BOL JG.

Hey Jerry,

Yes I was concerned about the spurt in flowering phase. I just wish(!) they would all mature and show me what sex they are, it's crucial due to the issues you have pointed out as I really need to get rid of one. I am trying to hold on to them best as I can.. the one on its side is pretty much root bound, and some of the leaves got a bit burned a few days ago, it needs to be re potted but it can't be as there would not be enough room for the third.. which is also starting to touch the CFLs and Ive got to consider what to do with that also.. LOL it's a juggling act.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Like I said use weights like washers and string and pull those topps away from the lites or just cut them.

The more I think about it all you are doing is creating a flowering bonzi mother. So cutting her at this point may be benificial.

Also your strongest most vigorous growing plants are the one's I would be focusing on as male.

[str8jacket secure]

are you gonna have any kind of ventilation or air circulation going on? and are you leaving the front open like that or is it gonna be covered for stealth?

[sharkfinz]

are you gonna have any kind of ventilation or air circulation going on? and are you leaving the front open like that or is it gonna be covered for stealth?

Hello,

No extractor fans are installed. The box stays at a temperature just above room temp (mid 20 degrees C); it doesn't need one. I would describe the climate as a low tropical one of which the humidity is responsible for. The door is covered for stealth and is only opened occasionally when I check on the plants. :)

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While I'm here I'll just add that the largest plant turned full blown male dom herm, lol, (before you jump on me, it is nothing to do with temp, we could speculate all day ;)) so it was chopped when I had confirmed it. Other two remaining plants are budding up though it is impossible to say what sex they are, all I can say is that these plants have taken such a long time to get to this stage it is ridiculous..

Pic updates soon.

All the best stoners. :)

[stinkyattic]

It's because you need exhaust not just for heat control but for fresh air.

[sharkfinz]

It's because you need exhaust not just for heat control but for fresh air.

Stinks I believe you are correct, though I had to find out myself (the hard way) or I wouldn't have been satisfied. :rasta: If I grew in a tiny box again, a pc fan would be added to draw the air through to freshen things up.

More updates soon stoners, updates soon. :smokin::pimp:

Edit - the hermi was male through and through btw lol, it was a bloke with four pistils at the most, full of balls, pics soon.

[stinkyattic]

The reason you got a hermi was stress from high heat and lack of air exchange. " No extractor fans are installed. The box stays at a temperature just above room temp (mid 20 degrees C); it doesn't need one." That's not the only reason we use extractors.
Go for something beefier than a computer fan next time- a 4" duct booster plus a passive intake would be more appropriate for that size container.
Lose the tinfoil.
And I was amused to see your opinion of p4b's log.

[sharkfinz]

The reason you got a hermi was stress from high heat and lack of air exchange. " No extractor fans are installed. The box stays at a temperature just above room temp (mid 20 degrees C); it doesn't need one." That's not the only reason we use extractors.
Go for something beefier than a computer fan next time- a 4" duct booster plus a passive intake would be more appropriate for that size container.
Lose the tinfoil.
And I was amused to see your opinion of p4b's log.

Hello,

As has been stated; it is the first time I have grown under artificial light (perhaps I have been slightly naive if you wish to insult!!) though I have managed to sucessfully grow three plants to maturity never the less, and if I were to grow as such in the future I would certainly make changes (I have made a list). :)

Also regarding your accusations that I have had low opinions of other peoples grows (including your own) you may wish to ammend your post which states I have commented on them, as I have not. I have simply evened the numbers out as I see them, as I believe there are equally good efforts to grow artificially that have recieved little recognition, no sour grapes. :)

[stinkyattic]

I'm not trying to insult you; I'm trying to ensure that your next grow does not have the same troubles. Others have given you the same advice in your thread- and your statement is worded in such a way that I fear you aren't going to take it.
Even out? lol okay.

[sharkfinz]

I'm not trying to insult you; I'm trying to ensure that your next grow does not have the same troubles. Others have given you the same advice in your thread- and your statement is worded in such a way that I fear you aren't going to take it.
Even out? lol okay.

Oh, believe me I am very stubborn and I often learn the hard way through trial and error. :)

Also I did 'even the numbers' as I thought more established members were perhaps recieving credit for being simply that, more established. Really, I am nobody to get offended by. :)

Edit - and if you wish to put a minus number by this diary I wouldn't be offended, it is a diary for myself as much as others that might be interested in growing this way.

[bombdiggity]

i smell tension.. of all places too.. cannabis.com

:(

[bombdiggity]

but anyway, i have a 3' x 3' x 1' cab that I am about to start my first grow in. I installed a 6" extractor for exhaust - and I'm only using T5 lights. For intake I just put a 1" pvc elbow near the bottom of my box. Temps stay great and fresh air is constantly flowing through.

Just an idea for ya :thumbsup:

[sharkfinz]

i smell tension.. of all places too.. cannabis.com

:(

Nah, stinks and I were pretending. :thumbsup:

[sharkfinz]

Anyway stoners hope all is well. :rasta:

Got some spare so I'll quickly update.

The first plant turned into a male dominant hermi, like I have said full of balls with a few pistols, in fact I only semi chopped this and used it as an experiment plant, though I have finished experimenting and it currently being turned into worm poop. :rasta:

Must say though it was a beautiful plant with very indica'ish leaves:

[sharkfinz]

The second plant was a male full stop. I though this plant would have been fem the way it grew, but alas not, it was chopped. (got very leggy as I let it grow on the window sill for a while to make sure I was correct).

[sharkfinz]

And finally then there was one. Well this I am finding hilarious as it still has not shown me what sex it is! It must be.. I don't know, 60 odd days old and all it wants to do is veg, perhaps it will show me what it is one day. :wtf: :rolleyes:


..and a radom picture of my terrier dog, he's a little shit. :rasta:

Cheers stoners take care. :thumbsup:

[BIGFattie]

might be a hemp plant lol jk sharky, keep that girl (hopefully), going and keep tokin:hippy:

[str8jacket secure]

ok... 10 days without a post? i was excited about this grow damn it! seriously, nothing?

[Jimbooooooo]

What going on I was interested in this grow. I am starting a Micro Grow myself, it is also a stealth grow at the same time. The grow is taking place in my dresser that I have not used in ah lets say four years. So far I have taken everything out on the inside of the dresser, and put some foil in it but. I am not sure if I want the foil where I put it so, with that said I need to do a little bit of work on it. So far the best advice I got from this thread for my soon to be. Weighing my branches I never thought of that, and since I got that idea in my head. The only problem I will face and can not help is having boys. Thank you for this little bit of info, by the way this is one hell of a good read.

Remember,

Peace,Empathy,Love, and good smoke :pimp:

[d4twamp]

Sharky, What happened....How did things turn out....inquiring minds would like to know...:thumbsup:

D

[sharkfinz]

Sharky, What happened....How did things turn out....inquiring minds would like to know...:thumbsup:

D

I can't remember if it turned male or I just lost patience with it, although it probably grew balls like the others. :wtf:

Though onwards and upwards..

I have got something more likely to work this time. I have germinated four Lowrider#2s. I have found them a larger grow space and gave them 200watts CFL. I always get itchy fingers in the winter hence this indoor grow gives me something to do. I might make a grow log.

[sharkfinz]

*NEW LOG*

Hello again. :rasta:

I decided to have another shot at the 12x12 micro grow.
I planted 4 lowrider#2 seeds and 2/4 germinated. Both are at 30+ days with X number of days on 24/7 and the rest on 13/11.

I am definitely going to pollinate some flowers should I get the chance. So far I think they are growing pre-flowers but it is difficult to be sure. I would say they have reached their optimum height already (lol) they are definitely 'low'.

Comments/suggestions/questions.
Laters. :hippy:

[sharkfinz]

Evening all. :)

Finally grew a female plant (and a male).
It has enough room to complete to harvest in the 12x12 and should be ready by march.

It ain't as pretty as the skunk#1's but it's stayed low and functional.
Laters. :pimp:

[sharkfinz]

Ready in a few weeks I think. Tried some last night and it got me stoned alright (although not much bud eh? ha)

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

hey shark. im an idiot and thought there was 1 page and ended. sry the first couple runs werent very successful. those girls look beautiful tho. I'd let them go a bit longer if ya can. you may get a bit more bud formation but thats just MO. glad to see the LR worked out


mgm

[sharkfinz]

hey shark. im an idiot and thought there was 1 page and ended. sry the first couple runs werent very successful. those girls look beautiful tho. I'd let them go a bit longer if ya can. you may get a bit more bud formation but thats just MO. glad to see the LR worked out


mgm

Yea thanks, it's a decent smoke an all. Just chopped a few buds for tonight. :rasta:

[sharkfinz]

:wtf:

[byrnezie]

Is it finished,just saw your thread today,nice little grow man.I had a lowryder 2.Started her off indoors under 8 cfls it grew till about a foot and i put it outside were it flowered.I think when i done the transfare the cooler climate it was in outside caused it to loose the LR2 genetics at it grew to 3ft and i got 65gs from it