HELLicopters.

[Completely Stoned]

Helicopters- They suck.

If a helicopter was to fly over my house with heat detection, would a STEEL roof like the newer Log Cabin Mountain Land Style houses are being constructed with, be enough to keep things safe?

-CS

[Completely Stoned]

Help?

[PharmaCan]

Doesn't make a damn bit of difference if you are in the USA because the Supreme Court has ruled that random helicopter searches of buildings are unconstitutional.

PC :smokin:

[Completely Stoned]

Since when!? Thats so fucking BALLER.

[Completely Stoned]

Do you have any links for that? I'd love to read on it.

[CultureCherryPopper]

Doesn't mean they won't use them, bro. Sure they can't use them in a court, or to obtain a search warrant, but once they've found you they'll just find other means to bust you. You can never be too careful. If you are that worried about heli's use thermal shielding in your grow room.

[GaGrown]

A metal roof won't do it either!

[Completely Stoned]

WhereTF do you get thermal shielding?

[CultureCherryPopper]

Lemme search my back issues of High Times cuz I remember reading a small article on a product that you place on your walls, like Mylar, that will help shield your grow from residual heat to the outside world. Unless someone posts with a link I'll get back to ya tomorrow. Can't tonight cuz I'm at a bar right now DJing off my laptop.

[CultureCherryPopper]

Never mind, got tired of dealing with drunks. Here's what I'm talking about: Hydro Wholesale offers Wholesale Hydroponics, HPS and MH Grow Lights, HydroWholesale hydroponic Supp: Thermal & Poly Shields (http://www.hydrowholesale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=hydro&Category_Code=TS)

[Completely Stoned]

That's fucking sick that your DJ'ing right this second and makin people move; And they have no idea your spreadin' advice to help win the GOOD fight!

Hell Yeah. I appreciate your willingness to help, even tomorrow.

-CS

[Completely Stoned]

It's called PolyShield.

[CultureCherryPopper]

Yup, that's the one. And yeah, I get paid to drink and play music while watching girls shake their asses. And if I play the right songs they'll ask me to dance with 'em. Frankly, I don't think there's a better job in the world.

[Completely Stoned]

What about through solid concrete, like inside a Fruit Room(food storage) turned into a Grow Room?

[CultureCherryPopper]

If it's a basement, you'll be fine, and if the concrete's a foot thick I'd say the same.

[GaGrown]

That poly shield you are talking about is a thermal shield against cold and intrusives like that,that can permiate your room due to not being sealed well.The poly shield is not a barrier against FLIR.

Ga Grown!

[Completely Stoned]

Anyone got any links on the matter? Id really like to be sure that im safe within the concrete.

[geoluv]

let me shed some light on the heat detecting helicopters situation. yes, the supreme court ruled that anything that lets you see into a house without a warrant is illegal. yes, helicopters are not supposed to fly around with heat detection devises, BUT THEY DO AND ILL EXPLAIN WHY. see, this is post 9/11 people, the nsa scans the entire internet for gods sakes, its illegal, but they do it. they DO fly heat detection helis over certain areas, but they are looking for people making bombs, meth labs, grow ops, you name it, not just weed, they are checking for everything, and they do it in the name of stopping terrorism (they touched on this in weeds you know). i would guess they have special radiation detectors too. now, if they find something that looks like a bomb factory, they can use that heat evidence with no warrant, because it pertains to terrorism. if they find anythign short of terrorist activity, they need a warrant, but you cant go get a warrant based on evidence that you would have had to have a warrant to get in the first place, so this is the sketchy part; the cops will lie, they will get some homeless dude to say he saw you carry a plant inside your house and thats all they need. theyll never mention the copter in trial, youll never even know thats how they really got you unless they are sloppy, which sometimes is the case.

now, im sorry i had to scare you like that but heres the good part; anything short of your entire house being packed with 1k lights isnt going to tip off the popo. they just look like normal lights, its even more hard to tell if they are air cooled with reflective hoods because it spreads out the heat signature. i would guess even if they knew for dead certain you were growing they wouldnt go after you unless it was A LOT of lights, like one or two or three wouldnt even do it. these are the dudes looking for terrorists they have way bigger fish to fry, plus heli fuel is insanely expensive these days so the "black helicopters" are flying in a lot less places and less frequently now.

in my 10 years of going on cannabis websites i have never once herd of anyone being busted from heat signature.

[cture]

meth labs,
how can helliocops tell if this is a meth lab or not?

[GaGrown]

Here is some stuff about FLIR if your worried.

Infrared Detection for the Law Enforcement Industry (http://www.flirthermography.com/industries/industry/1024/)

[Opie Yutts]

Isn't a thermal shield a fancy way of saying "insulation"? If you are worried, buy some R50 styrofoam and install it. If you're just growing for you and some friends, don't worry about it. If you're growing a whole bunch too sell, well you've got balls. I'll try to remember to write.

[luvfriday]

how can helliocops tell if this is a meth lab or not?


Well the probably fly over the house a few times, and if tweakers are inside they are going to be flippping out and peeking out the windows inside the house. Oh hell they could just send a car over to any suspected tweaker house and park out front then set off the car alarm or slam your car door. If a tweeker is anywhere near by they will bug out no matter what. I once rented a room and the couple held fricking marathon dart tournaments in the living room 7 days a week, that is if they were not out doing yardwork with flood lights at 2 am on a 4 lane highway in the middle of town. I cant help but want to screw with someone who is under the influence of that crap.


I find it hard to believe that anything in a closet or room where your temps should run about 75-85 is going to get those heatseekers to open an investigation into what your doing. A 2 story house with lights on the first floor would be very hard to detect unless its right by a window that they could accuratley get a reading on.

I have heard its the technology is in fact on almost every helicopter used by law enforcement in this country. However if they have a suspect on foot and he climbs into a tree the heat signature is sometimes lost due to branchs, leaves pr if they can get under a patio they cant always find them.

[gainesvillegreen]

You want to know a cheap and effective way to avoid the problem if you are so worried about it? Run your lights during the day :)

[andie666]

Lol, somebody should suggest that to my nextdoor neighbour, I would but he's lived there 3 years and won't speak to anyone, hmmmm.

Anyyywayyy, his house is the only one down the street that has no snow on the roof in winter and the birds (of the tweety type) love it!:hippy:

[Opie Yutts]

Maybe he just has poor insulation in the rafters.

[andie666]

He could have! The occasional waft from his house and the fact that he wears shades constantly gives it away though. Me n him could be such good friends if only he would talk.

:hippy:

[GaGrown]

Or none at all. Freakin' tweakers are all over this state.I guess they all forgat about weed,and have the need for speed. Watch out for that impact! It's a doozie! They should blow them up with their labs. Chemicals suck. I hate to even take an aspirin.

[GaGrown]

He could have! The occasional waft from his house and the fact that he wears shades constantly gives it away though. Me n him could be such good friends if only he would talk.

:hippy:

Is that waft a weed smell?

[Completely Stoned]

My Grow is smaller than yours Opie. Don't be such an assumptionist. Rude...

[andie666]

It most definitely is GaGrown, and quite nice too when you get a whiff.

:hippy:

[Opie Yutts]

My Grow is smaller than yours Opie. Don't be such an assumptionist. Rude...

Rude? Sorry, I didn't realize. I'll keep out of it next time.

[andie666]

What did ya do!!!! Think I missed something here, too busy smokin!! :hippy:

[Rusty Trichome]

WhereTF do you get thermal shielding?
The government.

[Rusty Trichome]

What about through solid concrete, like inside a Fruit Room(food storage) turned into a Grow Room?
You're paranoid about helicopters? Shit...you seem to have given anyone interested:
Your MSN address, what condition you are in (username) and where in your house the grow room is in.
If worried about helicopters, I'd check to see if it says :"I'm Growin' Pot" on your roof, lol.

[Completely Stoned]

Wow. You're really prideful aren't you? Well at least you dont know what state I live in, un like you. Arizona. And the chances of them tracing a fucking E-MAIL adress to a home is a LOT less likely then an actual fly over given the circumstances of where I DO ACTUALLY live. It's very spacious here.
So Rusty, stop talking now. :thumbsup:

-CS

[Rusty Trichome]

Wow. You're really prideful aren't you?
Prideful...usually.
Immature and paranoid...not usually.


Well at least you dont know what state I live in, un like you. Arizona.
Without much effort, appears to be somewhere like southern east coast...perhaps Georgia, Tenn. or N. Carolina. Want an address? Sincerely, you are worth no more effort on my part. :thumbsup:
(And you're sure about Arizona, huh?)


And the chances of them tracing a fucking E-MAIL adress to a home is a LOT less likely then an actual fly over given the circumstances of where I DO ACTUALLY live. It's very spacious here.
Again...are you sure about that? Then what was the purpose of this post, other than to quell your paranoia? LEO uses more than helicopters to get the info they so desire.


So Rusty, stop talking now. :thumbsup:-CS

Not likely. :jointsmile:

[GaGrown]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Completely Stoned
Well at least you dont know what state I live in, un like you. Arizona.

Without much effort, appears to be somewhere like southern east coast...perhaps Georgia, Tenn. or N. Carolina. Want an address? Sincerely, you are worth no more effort on my part.
(And you're sure about Arizona, huh?

Rusty I've never seen a Skunk in the desert.

Ga Grown!:smokin:

[Opie Yutts]

Yeah, Rusty's being prideful, I'm being rude...

And you're being a dick to people who want to contribute to your thread. Take away Rusty and I and a few more, and you're stuck talking to a bunch of teenagers trying to grow one plant under one CFL. Good luck.

[Rusty Trichome]

All I'm trying to point out, is that if you are paranoid about LEO (law enforcement officers) you'll want to keep your geographical location discrete, and don't offer clues to your whereabouts.

Example of simple search for clues, if LEO is really paying attention:
Log Cabin Mountain Land Style houses - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=Log+Cabin+Mountain+Land+Style+houses+&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC)

Further checks, with additional info, can offer more exacting info.

In my opinion, (I know...worth nothing) sketchers are a danger to society and I feel quite comfortable making them uncomfortable. I consider it keeping them on their toes, as their thought processes go askew. (tweakers aren't all that bad if you have something you want taken apart...but sketchers will get you busted, steal your stash, or worse case scenario...move into your closets to avoid detection by 'them')

I gotta say, I used to love going into a tweakers home, and while they are in the bathroom, rake my hands across the acoustic ceiling. (making that 'popcorn' stuff fall all over the place) Then when they come out, ask for help looking for the rock you 'accidentally' dropped. Can keep you entertained for hours watching them 'find' it for you.

[GaGrown]

Wow. You're really prideful aren't you? Well at least you dont know what state I live in, un like you. Arizona. And the chances of them tracing a fucking E-MAIL adress to a home is a LOT less likely then an actual fly over given the circumstances of where I DO ACTUALLY live. It's very spacious here.
So Rusty, stop talking now. :thumbsup:

-CS

I can tell you this about Rusty! You just gave him the biggest invite for a relpy when you told him to stop talking!Were here to help one another!

Ga Grown!

[Opie Yutts]

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or worse case scenario...move into your closets to avoid detection by 'them')


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[kack409]

all i have to say from reading this thread...is every last one of you is immature...lol jk jk, but it makes alot of since.... alot of sites that sell thermal shielding probably are the government, and if you get shipped to ur house/ grow house if your stupid enough to have whomever ship it to your grow house....unless of course they are a legit hydro store, that sells the thermal shielding/polyshield....but it would be tipping them off to just showing up to ur house oneday..... i wouldnt grow indoors without....right now im growin outdoors

and if anyone checks this, where else can u find polyshield, the polyshield website/manufacture i guess,...well they've been out of stock for a year it seems like

[jsn9333]

Regarding the Supreme Court case... the Court made it unconstitutional to do random fly-overs with FLIR looking for grow-op heat signatures... the key word is random. In the very same opinion the Court said they would not have a problem if the cops were investigating something else and "just happened" to notice a lot of heat in the house next door, or across the street, or on the next block, etc. Basically the cops can't just fly over houses with no reason looking for heat... but if they happen to notice it while doing something else, your fucked.

Trust me, the cops have taken full advantage of that "loophole" the Court decided to throw into our constitutional right against unlawful search and seizure. I'm probably not making much sense, but what I'm trying to say is that, essentially, we are not much safer from FLIR then we were before the Supreme Court case. Now the cops just know how to act (or even h ow to lie) in order to make it seem they are acting "constitutionally".

"We were looking for an outdoor grow in the empty field across the street... and look what we saw at John's house when we flipped on the FLIR..." That will stand up in Court.

The key to avoiding the threat from FLIR is keep your indoor grow small. A couple of lights isn't going to bring any attention to you. Also, the more insulation you use around the grow room itself the better off you are, of course. Natural insulation (by growing in the basement) is a good idea. You still have to vent all that heat somewhere though, or it will kill your plants.... so again, keeping the grow op small is key... sadly, for those of us with an entrepreneurial spirit... or a large desire to help those who can't grow for themselves.

[GaGrown]

here is a link that will explain things better..

Ga Grown!



Use Of Thermal Imaging Without A Warrant Unconstitutional, Ninth Circuit Rules - NORML (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3827)

[secret420]

well i couldnt really read all this thread but unless your venting the heat directly outside you got nothing to worry about, the imaging system you guys are all worried about is called a f.l.i.r or forward looking infared. This device if focused on your house will not show an outline of your room due to the heat it cannot i repeat CANNOT see through walls or roofs trust me. when the authorities use these they are looking for an inordanent ammount of heat being vented outside especially in the winter because people really dont expell heat in the winter. if your not venting heat directly outside then relax and sleep well if your still nervous educate yourself on infared technology.

-secret:)

[FreeDaHerb]

It's true, they are looking for escaping heat radiating from your house or a window, it is also possible for them to see blazing hot HID bulbs through windows and some thin walls. Normally some rooms are obviously warmer than others in any house but a full on grow operation with HID's will exhaust air that is sometimes 90 - 100 F temp wise if cooling the bulbs and venting that very hot air.

So, if you do have to vent air into your attic make sure it's broken down into a diffuser box and centralize it as close to the middle of the roof as possible not right by the edge or vent outside. You can even run it back into the AC box to mix with cold air and blow back into the house out of the growroom and that in turn will just make your AC run a little bit more because the house will then be warmer. (but no heat going outside) Obviously you would want to make 100% sure this air is odor free and filtered through a activated carbon filter in the room first before it comes out and goes anywhere the smell could be detected. Carbon filters really work, they are worth their weight in gold. If you are not running exhaust through a carbon filter you need to get one ASAP. You can eliminate a bunch of these potential pit-falls with high powered LED's and an IR blocking grow tent in the middle of a room.

[secret420]

well put freedaherb.

-secret:)

[Mississippi Steve]

Use CFLs for lights, they produce very little heat, ventilate well, and insulate, insulate, insulate. If you have and grow in a basement, then its not an issue.

[loststix]

dam i am so gald i live here guys, no worries of that sort of thing happening here for years.
dont mean to throw a spanner in the works dont cool spots in the house show up too?
if you dont tell any1 what ur doing and carry 3 bags of com into ur house.
and ur garden looking like shit dont take long for ppl to notice.
i keep a nice garden out side full of flowers always in my green house growing frsh veg.
and that green house is out the the front
its not just flights over head its how you look to the outside world.

[secret420]

loststix you seem like a cool dude but i cant really understand what you are talking about, whats a spooner and the thing about a garden out front? really not trying to be a jerk it just makes me mad when i dont know whats going on lol. stealth gardening is the only way to go as far as im concerned if people saw me carrying anything into my house i have failed my mission and would immediatly break down my garden and dissasemble everything. matter a fact i just did and am currently 100% in compliance with state and local laws because i had to order some seeds and i didnt want to send them to a friends house so i shut down shop just in case. the only way to be sure these days is to have a secret and when i do get going again no one on this site will ever hear from me again,,,,,,,kinda sad huh lol. take it easy bro

-secret:)