400w DWC WW/NL Take 2!

[PdoubleOTY]

So this is technically my third grow, but really only my second, and this is my first "serious" grow. I have planted 2 white widow, and 2 northern light seeds. all 4 germinated within a two days, and 3 sprouted in the next 2 days in starter plugs..the 4th bad boy is slooooowwwwwwwly coming out, its growth compared to the other plants is minimal. I'm running two 5 gal DWC buckets wtih airstones, GH 3 part nutes with floralicious plus, fulvic acid, and i just picked up some super thrive today to hopefully ease some stress on the babies. They are almost 10 days old, and just went under teh HPS light the other day, my CFL fixture thing broke and was all ghetto like, so HPS was all i had left...is 24-26 inches too close for such young plants? temps never stray above 80 in the room, and probably mid 70's around the plants since the fan is blowing around there...no tds or ph meter again, but i talked to local hydro store guy and found out tap water around here runs between 200-300 and following a feeding schedule(latewood's GH recipe) should prove to be rewarding and not too difficult. PH is tested with shaker bottle thingy and that was proving to be no problem in the other two grows.hopefully with this grow i will have at least ONE female, two would be fantastic, 3 would be insane, and 4 would be flat out orgasmic...but we shall see!

[PdoubleOTY]

no nutes have been added yet, just a drop of superthrive per gallon...ill start 1/4th strength nutes on the 22nd, 2 weeks after they sprouted..should i wait a tad longer or go for it?

[PdoubleOTY]

so im noticing some yellowing of the leaves on all three plants, but mostly just one..the tips have some brown/white burnish looking spots and the leaves are a bit yellow...the new growth on the plant is fine and green, i just figured the yellowing hasnt spread to anymore of the plant since i cleaned out the whole system and rechanged the rez etc...just let the plant grow and the dead leaves fall off eventually?

[PdoubleOTY]

new growth is staying nice and green, yellowing hasnt spread to any other parts of the plants...1/4th strength nutes start tomorrow, following latewood's recipe.

[BigWeed]

Im pulling up a chair and watching this one. I love WW cant get enough of it. Keep up the good work those plants look good. If you need any input Ill be here. One thing I found out about the WW I grow is that I cant let my ppms go above 800 anything higher they hate it.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:

[PdoubleOTY]

well i just got my hannah PPM meter today...my water came out to be 178 PPM so not as bad as i thought it would be..im about to mix up my first batch of nutes today, 1/4 strength 1-1-1 grow, micro, broom, with drop of superthrive per gallon, and half dose of fulvic acid(1/2 tblsp per gallon).. any ideas on the starting PPM levels for 1/4th strength? i was thinking 400ish including the base 178..too much or too little? i have no experience with using PPM as a measurement, jsut been following bottles and labels..we shall see!

[PdoubleOTY]

ok so first dose of nutes today..1/4th strength 1-1-1 combo

2ml per gallon of bloom,micro, grow
1 tsp per gallon of Fulvic Acid
1/2tsp per 5 gallon of Floralicious plus
1 drop per gallon super thrive

PPM-475-485

The yellow has all together stopped spreading, new growth is very green and lush..that 4th plant is still struggling but its slowly making it..im not going to kill it just yet, imma see if it pulls through and makes it

[PdoubleOTY]

So growth on the NL's has just exploded. growing like a solid half inch/inch a day, and a new set of leaves. the white widow is growing steadily, one is at least..the mutant midget plant is starting to show new growth for sure, but dunno.

My plan is to screw a bunch of screws halfway in around the rim of the black netted pots.then use those as tie off points for string to train the plants.. im hoping to have em wrap around the pot so taht there is enough room between em for light to penetrate..i know im probably gonna suffer if one is male and the other is female, but hopefully ill be able to submerge the entire pot in deep water and shimmy the male out later without tearing a ton of roots. i know this grow is sitll a bit unplanned, but im stopping growing in this place after this grow untill i get a more secure place to grow. things are fine here, its just an apartment, and its not smart to grow in apartments at all. living by myself and having them in a room that i can lock, and a room that has nothing in it that apartment people would need to check/fix such as heat/ac, or any electrical stuff. also my neighbor is trouble, playing loud music and stuff all the time, and im very quiet and conserved..so the apartment people really like me haha. but hopefully after this grow i shall be moving somewhere new and having a much safer and discreet place to do my business :jointsmile:

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[PdoubleOTY]

dont know what is up with the forums but shit keeps getting erased and froze up and what not :( so here are hte pics for the previous post

[PdoubleOTY]

topped the 2 NL earlier today..i actually FIMed one, or at least tried to. I pretty much completely snipped off the new growth top on one, and 75% snipped off the other one on the other plant. im gonna keep a record of what does what, and then hopefully apply that to future grows..


and i just about had a heart attack. So in the room where my closet of potential jail time is, i have lots of stuff like a weight bench, clothes, and a box of snowboarding equipment including a very nice 250$ jacket. So while in my room this evening, i notice the box of that equipment is open..and my jacket is gone?? I immediately search the entire apartment which only takes about 45 seconds to find such a jacket, but it was no where in site. My initial reaction is holy fuck, apartment people or somebody with a key has been in my apartment and stolen a jacket either A. It was nice they wanted it or B. they saw i was growing weed and figured i couldnt really report it and figured they would take or or C. i have no clue....so yea im flipping out about on the verge of tearing the whole set up down and waiting untill i live somewhere else..but hten i remember my friend evan who gets stoned and accidently mistakes his stuff for mine when ever he leaves. he was staying with me over the weekend and when he left (after like 3 bowls of trainwreck), his thought in a very stoned manner that my jacket would make osmething good to wrap up his steamroller in for the drive back to his apartment 4 hours away in asheville...so yea, he tells me he has my jacket after i call everyone who has been here recently etc...God im so glad i have a few bowls of this trainwreck left to calm me down cause i about destroyed my grow and had a heart attack

[PdoubleOTY]

so plants are showing no signs of stress due to the topping methods, still grew a solid 1.5 inch when i got back today, and growth was definiately increased on hte lower nodes. next nute change in 3 or 4 days, gonna bump it up to half strength, they ate up the 1/4th like it was nothing so ill test em a lil bit. DWC grow amazes me every time, like i can walk away for an hour and ocme back having noticeably bigger plants...ill post pics later, and is it normal for plants this early in their life to start smellin a bit? the NL already have a bit of a funk to em

[PdoubleOTY]

so growth with DWC still amazes me. i feel ive now reached a minimal stress point in the grow as the plants are just taking off. the two NL responded well to the topping methods. The FIM one is doing just as fine as the fully topped one. hopefully there will be a difference in the bud sites after all of this. white widow is doing fine, the mutant plant is growing just as fine too...just really really small? anyone ever have a plant do this?

[BigWeed]

Hey the plants are looking good I just wanted to show you my WW at 4 weeks into flower she really is starting to take off I figure Ill let her go 5 more weeks.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:

[PdoubleOTY]

cant WAIT for mine to flower man! hows she smell? fucking amazing i bet.. ive got some tasty butter simmering right now too..man im gonna be so high when i harvest this shit! im curious to see if my WW responds how yours did to 800+ PPM. it ate up the 485ppm like it was nothing..the NL took to it like mad. im giving the NL 2/3 strength tomororw, and the WW half just so i dont stress it. hopefully with good results

[PdoubleOTY]

So second nute dose today! NL got 1050 PPM with roughly 20 ml of grow-micro-bloom, and the WW got 675 PPM.. The NL are still taking off like mad, gonna start LST soon once they get a bit taller..the WW doesnt seem to be growing as fast, but it has massive roots already poking a good bit through the bottom of the netted pot. the NL roots are just starting to poke through the bottom. roots were all pearly white, even with organic nutes, and growth is lush and green and stinky! i feel im doing a good job so far keeping this babies in line. come onnn females!

26 days from seed, how they look?

[PdoubleOTY]

hey, just letting everyone know that im not gonna update my log anymore. things are fine and still going strong, just posting information about it all on the internet where its available to anyone sketches me out a bit. ill post some info about results at the end when the time comes, but for now no more..


If a mod could delete this thread, that would be awesome, but either way is fine. Thanks!

[PdoubleOTY]

ok so i lied about updating :-D heh, just had a sketchy day where i was stressed and figured it would be best..but they are growing so fast! Left plant in the first pic was FIMed, and the right one was topped. both resulted in 2+ tops, fim ended up with like 5 or 6 that i can count..the WW is so bushy underneath the top growth, and the midget plant is holding damn strong!

[PdoubleOTY]

so how do they look for 1 month from seed?

[PdoubleOTY]

eh, i dont think im too worried..there are tons of people on here with larger set ups and producing options in america, and if the cops TRULY wanted to bust someone, i dont think id be the target..they'd get like 2 plants and maybe possibly a few ounces...few other people they would get several pounds and tons of plants but lets hope taht NEVER happens to ANYONE!

[PdoubleOTY]

hoooRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY i have one female preflower on one of my northern lights!!! Is this normal to show preflowers at like 5 weeks? i thought it was gonna tkae like 8 or so, but hot damn!

[PdoubleOTY]

opie, cripsi, anybody? :( was hoping for some input from all the hydro gurus. the plants are blowing my mind with their growth and recovery to topping and lst'ing and everything. cant wait till after this harvest when i can work and build a nice tall cabient or maybe 2 to have a mother and clones too.

[basementbotany]

man, those look great. one question though, how are you going to remove any males if they are in the same pots together. it's possible, but your going to shred your roots. unless maybe you are just going to cut the males off at the base.

[PdoubleOTY]

i plan to just cut em off at the base if the roots are too intertwined..at the moment, they are staying fairly seperated and i think ill be able to sit the pot in deep water and wiggle teh male out..but if they are too knotted, im just gonna cut teh male down

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Pdoublepty,

Your plants look great for 4 weeks, I am a soil grower of W/W and they are great plant to work with, they can take a beating and still give you great results, they also cloan very easily compared to my blueberry.

As for the cops they got alot more things to worry about than us small time growers, Plus I have never seen a comment about gettting busted due to this website, just people getting caught due to their own stupidity and not being stelth enough. Biggest reason people get caught is lose lips and no or little odor control.

[PdoubleOTY]

HOORAAAY! both NL are females! but sadly enough with that triumph, both WW look to have tiny little testicles forming :( im gonna let em go like a few more days and let the flowers develop a bit more, maybe some pistils will pop out!

[PdoubleOTY]

talk about some craziness. so the biggest potential problem i foresaw when starting this grow was splitting between a male and a female in the same pot. thankfully, i didnt have to worry! both of the crazy bush NL turned out female, which is so damn lucky. i now have this 20+ headed monster that will veg for 10 more days before flowering..its gonna be beautiful..sadly, im pretty positive both of the WW are showing male preflowers. im gonna let em go for a few more days to let em develop and see if some hairs pop out, but they look pretty ballish. sad, the one WW has a damn trunk on it, and its sooo healthy and stinky! i was at least hoping for 1 of each so i could have a variety of smoke, but i guess a good bit of NL should od me juuust fine!

Any guesses on yield?? I'm hoping for a QP.. 2 ounces per plant, with like 5+ weeks veg time under 400hps?? Plus it will be just those 2 plants after those WW are confirmed males(lets hope im wrong), so tons of lumens for em. Heh, i would love to ge tlike 7 or 8, that would just be fucking insane!


heh i love the multi headed female monster :jointsmile:

[soteksguard]

I still want the WW leaves.
We should either make some burr with 'em, or just hang them on my walls.

(can you make beer with boy leaves?)

[basementbotany]

hell yeah, congrats on the ladies:thumbsup: sure wish one of those WW's would have been a female. you can do a WWxNL cross, just keep the best looking WW Male going far away in another room, then take pollen off of it and pollenate one of your NL branches. Then you'll have some sick WWxNL. If you had a way of seperating those NL's you would probably yield a whole helluva lot more. you decrease yield keeping them stacked on top of each other like that. it would be 'killer' (don't mind the sarcasm) if you could get them seperated safely into their own pots.

[PdoubleOTY]

im probably gonna kill the males today, if they still look very ball like with no hairs..then im gonna see if its possible to get the NL out of there..if not, they'll be fine, this is just a small time grow that im doing as a learning experience..once i get some more $$ over this summer and build a proper set up, things will be sweet

[basementbotany]

hell, they look pretty sweet from where i'm sittin:thumbsup:

[PdoubleOTY]

well the WW are dead, and hte NL are not gonna be seperated. i tried to, and they were very knotted up and i already felt a lot of roots starting to tear so i said fuck it... oh well, i still think i can produce some pretty good sized buds from these two plants...a QP wouldnt be too much to ask for would it?

[basementbotany]

w/ a 400 watter (HPS correct?), 2 plants, a QP sholdn't be hard at all to pull off. tie them biatches down so that each of the plants get an equal amount of light, and space out the branches so that light can penetrate to the next levels, and you could pull 2-3 oz's per plant easy. it's definately not worth losing both plants to seperate them, you will take a small hit in yield, but you can still pull your final goal weight, easily.

[PdoubleOTY]

yea they are growing nice and even at the moment, only tied and bent once..if they start getting taller in certain points ill tie those down, but its doing a damn good job on its own staying even and bushy..im gonna take some pics in a second to update

[PdoubleOTY]

they start flowering on sunday! the tips on some of the leaves are a bit yellow with reddish brown spots..any idea what to add/take away?

[basementbotany]

from my point of view (which isn't very close-up) they look great and i wouldn't change a damn thang! you have some REALLY georgeous ladies.

[PdoubleOTY]

update, cleaned up the grow room and got some better circulation..also tied down two of the main bud sites and pulled em apart giving like 5 extra budsights clear view of the light! hopefully that will help...


I had the idea when harvest comes around to just harvest hte top buds, then trim the plant to expose the lower popcorn buds and then letting those finish upf or another week or so...anyone ever done this with good results? i could see it turning an oz of popcorn buds in to like 2 oz of actual bud.

[hydrocannabis]

hell yah dude. looks great as hell.:thumbsup:

[PdoubleOTY]

Day 1 of flower!!! Already ridiculous pistil formation on almost all of the bud sites, pre-flowers are everywhere!

1350 PPM

So im excited because 8 weeks from now is the week of 4/20, so im hoping to have me some nice budz to enjoy the holiday!

[basementbotany]

hell yeah man, i'm pretty stoked to see these babies flower! great work!

[PdoubleOTY]

day 3 flower

[PdoubleOTY]

just a pic of the current bud ive been tokin on..the purple stuff is some organically grown stuff that is fruuuuuuuuuuuuity and smells so much, and such a creeper stoner but fucks you up..the other stuff is pot of gold..ive come across this strain 4 times now, in 2 different cities, and both times it has looked like that and been soooooo dank:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[fenderstrat]

looks incredible. can't wait for 4/20 either now :)

[PdoubleOTY]

week 2 of flowering..shit looks amazing, buds are starting to really form now, and the plant just keeps getitng bushier with more bud sites! man this is amazing stuff

[soteksguard]

Can we call them Henry?

[hydrocannabis]

the squirrel says they look great as hell bra.:thumbsup:

[soteksguard]

2D, grow me some molly.

[PdoubleOTY]

i dubbed the, BLUNTY!

[PdoubleOTY]

long time no post!

beginning week 5 of flower, 1 month ago i flowered em.

ok so few things, buds are forming and crazy pretty..the smell is super sweet and that dank funky smell that everyone loves. buds are dense and super sticky already and forming like crazy all over...buuut i have a problem that im concerned about.. all of my leaves are dying? like most of the fan leaves right on the buds are fine, but the rest just seem to keep dying? temps are fine, nutrients and PH are fine, what could it be? i know that some plants leaves start dying during flowering, but i figured like week 6-8, not end of week 4, start of week 5? any ideas to what i should do? the buds seem to be fine, getting more crystals and hairs etc, but it seems like the leaves shouldnt be doing this..maybe im wrong and my plant is fine but i dunno.

[PdoubleOTY]

here are pics of the dead leaves/whole plant

[PdoubleOTY]

do people on here not like me or something? i get no responses on my grow log it seems compared to other logs, and nobody will even attempt to answer my question in this thread or plant problems thread..:( why no love?

[Casanova23]

I feel you on that double, in my log it's the same way I dont know why it is. As far as i've read, you sound to be doing everything write. I will ask though, how far away is th 400watter from the plant?

[PdoubleOTY]

like 7-8" +, with a nice fan right at canopy level blowing the hot air off the tops, so light burn shouldnt be a problem..plus the thermometer which is at canopy heigh reads low 80's

[Casanova23]

O okay, well darn idk...I swear these lil plants are some sensitive lil buggers lol

[cwesto]

Yea man I feel u. Sometime I also feel like im talking to a brick wall..

I dont know what to think about ur plant, ive never seen anything like that happen. I was gonna say if ur Ph was fucked up maybee it was messing with ur plant nute. uptake and all, but u said that was fine... maybee u got some nasty buggers suckin the life out of ur baby.

[slogro]

Let us know if they rebound!!!

[PdoubleOTY]

did a res change today to 1/4th strength nutes, and i didnt add the superthrive or floralicious..gonna let em work on that for a few days then bump em up

[PdoubleOTY]

well pretty much all of the leaves on both plants have now died...i dont know whats up..gonna do a rez change today to 1/2 strength and add some hydrogen peroxide...hopefully in these last few weeks they can rebound and add some weight..they were budding so fucking nicely and shit and now this has completely stopped the budding process it seems..the first 3 weeks buds flew on the bastard, now they havent really changed much since then :(...


oh well, learn some and loose some..more grows in the future will be handled with new found knowledge and hopefully lots more budz!

[SnSstealth]

that sucks man....:wtf: had our star flowering girl get bugs this week...ick!!! hopefully they come back around!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[hydrocannabis]

hey we R in the same boat. so we R feeling the same kind of pain at the same time.

so U wanna hit this J with ma.:stoned::D

I also added the hydrogen peroxide. how much did u add to how many gallons.

well good luck on keeping her alive as long as u can.

I guess that all we can do hope our plants come back to live the end.

[PdoubleOTY]

i did 10ml of 3% solution per gallon. i took a sample smoke last night and got fucking STONED, so i mean the bud is still dank, just not nearly the quantity i wanted...also, the buds on the really sick plant are getting pretty dry and crispy already, so should i be looking at harvesting early or what??

[PdoubleOTY]

yea so the super sick plants buds were all crispy and everything...i harvested her and got about a half ounce of pretty much already dried buds...the stems were already snapping and everything so yea she was pretty much done growing..the other plant imma leave on since its buds are still juicy and alive feeling, not dry and crunchy

[StickyIcky3]

sad to hear your loss. maybe you should/should went to the infermary, i would have suggested it earlie rbut i didnt see this grow that soon