legalization in California! 3 threads merged! Get active!

[cannabismedical]

Help by collecting signatures:
youthfederation.com // legalize hemp for the environment, the economy (http://www.youthfederation.com)
Digg - Help Legalize Hemp Cannabis Marijuana in California 2008 (http://digg.com/health/Help_Legalize_Hemp_Cannabis_Marijuana_in_Californi a_2008)

[8182KSKUSH]

Help by collecting signatures:
youthfederation.com // legalize hemp for the environment, the economy (http://www.youthfederation.com)
Digg - Help Legalize Hemp Cannabis Marijuana in California 2008 (http://digg.com/health/Help_Legalize_Hemp_Cannabis_Marijuana_in_Californi a_2008)

I read the entire bill, it sounds great. It would for sure make the federal governments efforts utterly useless! I could also stop punching "MMJ Patients" in the face for being idiots when they act like they have some "special entitlement" to use marijuana. By the way I am a patient, and if anything, the "paper tiger" that I have gives me some security. How can we follow progress on this? Haven't heard anything in the media, seems like a short time frame to collect that many sigs?:( The potential future impact could be HUGE!:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

CCHHI - Home (http://www.calhemp08.org)
Visit this site to do your part. If we all do our part anything is possible.:thumbsup:

[HerbalConfusion]

One minor problem. This goes against international treaties. The us would have to go to the UN and shit to legalize weed.

[Mississippi Steve]

One minor problem. This goes against international treaties. The us would have to go to the UN and shit to legalize weed.

Actually not.... it only has to be reclasified by the FDA, and that is gonna take a lot of money.... prolly from big tobacco companies, and such.

[HerbalConfusion]

Another reason i dislike this forum. Dont tell me im wrong. Do some reading.

Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs

The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs is the international treaty against illicit manufacture and trafficking of narcotics that forms the bedrock of the global drug control regime. Previous treaties had only controlled opium, coca, and derivatives such as morphine, heroin and cocaine. The Single Convention, adopted in 1961, consolidated those treaties, broadening their scope to include cannabis and allow control of any drugs with similar effects to those specified in the treaty. The Commission on Narcotic Drugs and the World Health Organization were empowered to add, remove, and transfer drugs among the treaty's four Schedules of controlled substances. The International Narcotics Control Board was put in charge of administering controls on drug production, international trade, and dispensation. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) was delegated the Board's day-to-day work of monitoring the situation in each country and working with national authorities to ensure compliance with the Single Convention. This treaty has since been supplemented by the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, which controls LSD, Ecstasy, and other psychoactive pharmaceuticals, and the United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, which strengthens provisions against money laundering and other drug-related offenses

Influence on domestic legislation
Since the Single Convention is not self-executing, Parties must pass laws to carry out its provisions. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime works with countries' legislatures to ensure compliance. As a result, most of the national drug statutes in the UNODC's legal library share a high degree of conformity with the Single Convention and its supplementary treaties, the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances and the 1988 United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances.

The Single Convention has been extremely influential in standardizing national drug control laws. In particular, the United States' Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and the United Kingdom's Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 were designed to fulfill treaty obligations. Both Acts include analogous schemes of drug Scheduling, along with similar procedures for adding, removing, and transferring drugs among the Schedules. The Controlled Substances Act follows the Single Convention's lead in granting a public health authority a central role in drug Scheduling decisions. It also includes a provision mandating that federal authorities control all drugs of abuse at least as strictly as required by the Single Convention(21 U.S.C. § 811(d)).

As of January 2005, the Single Convention had 180 Parties. (as in 180 countries which must comply or they get in trouble although dutch laws technically violate this they dont do anything to them.

[8182KSKUSH]

You have a great point! This did occur to me Herbal but what will happen. I mean if they get enough sigies, it's put on the ballot and approved? Then what? I am really asking, this has got to create some kind of problem correct. What would happen assuming it was voted on and approved? Guess that is a good idea for a thread. Personally, I don't have no facking idea? What would happen?

[HerbalConfusion]

You have a great point! This did occur to me Herbal but what will happen. I mean if they get enough sigies, it's put on the ballot and approved? Then what? I am really asking, this has got to create some kind of problem correct. What would happen assuming it was voted on and approved? Guess that is a good idea for a thread. Personally, I don't have no facking idea? What would happen?

I dont know what would happen its never been a problem they just leave the dutch alone.

[Storm Crow]

Any reason they wouldn't "leave the Americans alone"? Precedent has already been set by the inaction on the Dutch! :thumbsup:

And I believe I have read that there is a way out of the treaty by saying "We want out!" with a 3 month waiting period before it is final. Not certain about that, though- haven't read the treaty. You guys get to figure this out- I'm in the midst of a snow storm and power is "iffy". I'm posting on borrowed time!- Granny:hippy:

[8182KSKUSH]

Yup, so I don't think that is a reason to discount the initative! I say lets go balls out and see what happens. What's the worst that can happen? It's already illegal.:thumbsup:

[HerbalConfusion]

Any reason they wouldn't "leave the Americans alone"? Precedent has already been set by the inaction on the Dutch! :thumbsup:

And I believe I have read that there is a way out of the treaty by saying "We want out!" with a 3 month waiting period before it is final. Not certain about that, though- haven't read the treaty. You guys get to figure this out- I'm in the midst of a snow storm and power is "iffy". I'm posting on borrowed time!- Granny:hippy:

The dutch dont have a George or a DEA. Still proceed i mean im from mass i dont matter.

[8182KSKUSH]

The dutch dont have a George or a DEA. Still proceed i mean im from mass i dont matter.

It has nothing to do with George Bush, it was illegal long before he came into the picture, and I don't care who wins that office, it won't matter. The DEA on the other hand......:jointsmile:

[angry nomad]

One minor problem. This goes against international treaties. The us would have to go to the UN and shit to legalize weed.

So?

[8182KSKUSH]

So?

Yeah my thoughts exactly!!!:thumbsup: LMFAO:D

[Mississippi Steve]

Another reason i dislike this forum. Dont tell me im wrong. Do some reading.

Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs

The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs is the international treaty against illicit manufacture and trafficking of narcotics that forms the bedrock of the global drug control regime. Previous treaties had only controlled opium, coca, and derivatives such as morphine, heroin and cocaine. The Single Convention, adopted in 1961, consolidated those treaties, broadening their scope to include cannabis and allow control of any drugs with similar effects to those specified in the treaty. The Commission on Narcotic Drugs and the World Health Organization were empowered to add, remove, and transfer drugs among the treaty's four Schedules of controlled substances. The International Narcotics Control Board was put in charge of administering controls on drug production, international trade, and dispensation. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) was delegated the Board's day-to-day work of monitoring the situation in each country and working with national authorities to ensure compliance with the Single Convention. This treaty has since been supplemented by the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, which controls LSD, Ecstasy, and other psychoactive pharmaceuticals, and the United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances, which strengthens provisions against money laundering and other drug-related offenses

Influence on domestic legislation
Since the Single Convention is not self-executing, Parties must pass laws to carry out its provisions. The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime works with countries' legislatures to ensure compliance. As a result, most of the national drug statutes in the UNODC's legal library share a high degree of conformity with the Single Convention and its supplementary treaties, the 1971 Convention on Psychotropic Substances and the 1988 United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances.

The Single Convention has been extremely influential in standardizing national drug control laws. In particular, the United States' Controlled Substances Act of 1970 and the United Kingdom's Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 were designed to fulfill treaty obligations. Both Acts include analogous schemes of drug Scheduling, along with similar procedures for adding, removing, and transferring drugs among the Schedules. The Controlled Substances Act follows the Single Convention's lead in granting a public health authority a central role in drug Scheduling decisions. It also includes a provision mandating that federal authorities control all drugs of abuse at least as strictly as required by the Single Convention(21 U.S.C. § 811(d)).

As of January 2005, the Single Convention had 180 Parties. (as in 180 countries which must comply or they get in trouble although dutch laws technically violate this they dont do anything to them.


Regardless of international treaty, MJ *STILL* has to be reclassified by the FDA *BEFORE* it can be federaly legalized.

FWIW, the FDA classification system system was set up so that it didn't require an act of congress or a change of internation treaties to add opr remove a substance from the list. It only has to be determined by the surgen general and the FDA to be "benificial" to the public and not subject to abuse.

And I'll thank you not to give me any more negitive reps.

If you can['t say something nice, then don't say anything at all.

[doomie62]

why would it be so hard?? Holland's done it, i think other country's should adopt the same method on how they legalised cannabis.

[psteve]

why would it be so hard?? Holland's done it, i think other country's should adopt the same method on how they legalised cannabis.
Unfortunately, it's still not 'legal' in Holland.
They do lead the world in cannabis tolerance though.
Just don't get busted for growing, or you could get fined!
We keep trying for full legalization in Holland, but it's hard to get people involved because they don't realize it's still actually illegal!

[8182KSKUSH]

Unfortunately, it's still not 'legal' in Holland.
They do lead the world in cannabis tolerance though.
Just don't get busted for growing, or you could get fined!
We keep trying for full legalization in Holland, but it's hard to get people involved because they don't realize it's still actually illegal!

Yup, as long as they can get their weed they don't care. That's pretty much the way it is here in Cali. A clinic gets raided, and oh well, just move on to the next one. No big deal.

[Nailhead]

So?

haha I was thinking the same thing. This is America, this country is the reason the world has a negative view towards marijuana, nobody else was leading this anti-natural medical drug war, this was all us while everyone else just sorta played follow the leader.

If we can break constitutional and international law to invade 2 middle east and oil rich countries, while threatening a 3rd and causing political weakness in a 4th, then nobody else in the world is going to say a word if we went marijuana legal.

Not that I think it will happen anytime soon, and certainly not with this administration, just saying this government has shown America does what it wants, regardless of silly laws or promises.

[MajesticWhelk]

I know this sounds ridiculous, but Jack Herer and a few other prominent marijuana activists have written a bill for COMPLETE LEGALIZATION in California!!!!

CHECK IT:

Summary Date: 11/26/07 Circulation Deadline: 04/24/08 Signatures Required: 433,971

Proponents: Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson and Seeva Marie Cherms

Decriminalizes possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, and use of marijuana or hemp. Provides persons convicted or serving time for non-violent offenses involving marijuana be immediately released from prison, jail, parole, or probation, and be eligible to have their convictions erased. Provides no permit, license, or tax be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of marijuana. Allows doctors to prescribe or recommend marijuana to patients, regardless of age. Prohibits testing for marijuana for employment or insurance purposes. Bars state from aiding enforcement of certain federal marijuana laws. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Savings in the several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. A potential increase of a few million dollars annually in the cost of the stateâ??s Drug Medi-Cal substance abuse treatment program. (Initiative 07-0064.)

Full Text:
http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/i733_07-0064_Initiative.pdf


I don't care what you're doing, if you live in California, go sign it now!!!

Go here to find a place to sign or to start getting signatures yourself:
youthfederation.com // legalize hemp for the environment, the economy (http://www.youthfederation.com)


GO GO GO

[Kryptonite24]

interesting

edit:
(f) The term "personal use" means the internal consumption of cannabis hemp by people 21
years of age or older for any relaxationaI, meditative, religious, spiritual, recreational, or
other purpose other than sale,

[LuciferN]

The actual article I saw: California: Legalize Pot In 2008 (http://www.chroniccorner.net/2008/February/California-Legalize-Pot-In-28-1.htm)
There is the website for this initiave:
Welcome to Jack Herer's Home on the Web (http://www.jackherer.com/)

They are talking about use for commercial, medical and even recreational use !! If they get all these sigantures do you think it will be legalize ?

[killerweed420]

It may not pass the first time but keep at it. Eventually people will see the facts and pass this. Now if we could get some more states to do the same thing.

[LuciferN]

Here something I've post about that, I'll like to have your opinion on the subject:
http://boards.cannabis.com/activism/150448-lagalization-california-even-recreational-use.html

[josemartinez915]

ok once i figure out where to sign, i will. im just a little retarted

[josemartinez915]

ok, i signed online i think

[8182KSKUSH]

Here's the link to the other thread about this that was started already.
http://boards.cannabis.com/activism/147110-legalization-california-signatures-needed.html

It may make it somewhat more challenging for the Feds, could effectively nullify any prosecution that they may seek, by encouraging more individuals to grow, which would hopefully significantly increase availability and number of growers, most of all it may give more people the courage to come out of the closet and help change the common stereotype image of people that use marijuana. Who knows?:jointsmile:

[CannabisCPoc]

These rules should go for minors too :(

[THClord]

My signature is on there already. A college campus is a good place to collect signatures. :D

It would be amazing if it went through, but the problem is that about half of the people would mark "I'd rather get an STD than have marijuana illegal" on the ballot cuz they don't know anything.

If it does make it onto the ballot, I will donate to the dude's organization for him to spread the truth about herb when it counts.

[enjoicairo]

yes, if this goes through, and it is legalized in one state, it could start a chain reaction. it would be a huge first step

[dagshet]

I hope to God this goes thru, I've been waiting for something like this

[Nailhead]

They are talking about use for commercial, medical and even recreational use !! If they get all these sigantures do you think it will be legalize ?

No, it would never pass, not even in liberal California. However, what it would do is get people in the state, and also the entire country to start seriously talking about legalization. The problem facing legalization people are not talking about it. Everyone needs to be talking about this with their family and friends, this is what will eliminate the lies that have flourished for so many years even after being proven as false propaganda.

So even though I'm certain it would fail, I strongly support this getting to the ballot so that it will get everyone in California to start talking about legalization. Nothing bad could come about this going to the ballot, so every Californian should be signing to get this on!!

[kgb420]

Ask your local dispensary if they have the petition forms and sign them. Jack Herer is working his ass off to make this happen.

p.s.
V.V.C. has petition forms available for patients local to Valley Village (91607)

[O. G. ganja smoker]

I aint signin shit the fedy Gov. will say we dont recognize state laws and shit all over this plan plus the holy ass people say its the devils drug:birthday::wtf::S2: ill keep smoking growing and transporting anyways though:D only way to legalization is to fight for it in this country violence is the only thing listened to and im to stoned to fight:jointsmile: not really just need sum down dudes :stoned: lagilization is right cuz everyone lags on it

[bigfatpothead]

I am Roland A. Duby (stage name) My real name is Ronnie Lee Smith
I am a co writer of this initiative. and my name is in the proponents list (#5). Some activists and I have discovered a way to beat the court. We have been working on this program for over 10 years! I personally have beaten marijuana charges 15 times with this program. We are giving the program away to everyone for free at
Brothers For Mercy (http://www.brothersformercy.org)

I encourage everyone to download the files and read the instructions.
If you want to collect signatures for the California initiative,
you can download and print your own, it is a 2 sided, Legal size document.
http://www.bigfatpothead.com/petition.pdf
We need another 200,000 signatures by April 20th
so please get them signed and mailed in right away.
learn more about the initiative at
CCHHI - Home (http://www.calhemp08.org)





I know this sounds ridiculous, but Jack Herer and a few other prominent marijuana activists have written a bill for COMPLETE LEGALIZATION in California!!!!

CHECK IT:

Summary Date: 11/26/07 Circulation Deadline: 04/24/08 Signatures Required: 433,971

Proponents: Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson and Seeva Marie Cherms

Decriminalizes possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, and use of marijuana or hemp. Provides persons convicted or serving time for non-violent offenses involving marijuana be immediately released from prison, jail, parole, or probation, and be eligible to have their convictions erased. Provides no permit, license, or tax be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of marijuana. Allows doctors to prescribe or recommend marijuana to patients, regardless of age. Prohibits testing for marijuana for employment or insurance purposes. Bars state from aiding enforcement of certain federal marijuana laws. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Savings in the several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. A potential increase of a few million dollars annually in the cost of the stateâ??s Drug Medi-Cal substance abuse treatment program. (Initiative 07-0064.)

Full Text:
http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/i733_07-0064_Initiative.pdf


I don't care what you're doing, if you live in California, go sign it now!!!

Go here to find a place to sign or to start getting signatures yourself:
youthfederation.com // legalize hemp for the environment, the economy (http://www.youthfederation.com)


GO GO GO

[FakeBoobsRule]

BigFatPothead, I gotta ask first of all, why haven't you posted since you signed up over 2 years ago? While I applaud your efforts to help out people, since this is a dangerous area (giving legal advice on the net) we really need something more concrete. I looked at the sites you posted (which since there is no advertising on them it looks like they should stay up), your myspace page (nice play on words with Roland A Duby BTW) , your other websites, etc etc etc and I don't know what to think. If you are the true Ronnie Smith then it seems you are out there fighting the war for reformation of marijuana laws. If you aren't the real Ronnie Smith then that is a terrible thing to do. I don't want to suppress your voice on here but we really need some more proof or something that shows your program to beat marijuana drug charges work (I'm sure the other mods will agree as you have already been mentioned between us). Someone who I know from another forum even came behind one of your posts to dispute your claims and I believe this person is taking law classes (not sure if they are pre-law or criminal justice or law school) so they have some knowledge in this area.

Instead of posting the same thing in several threads (which you are getting borderline spamming) can you please provide some proof or something to your claims? It is quite interesting reading material but try not to spam the board with it and please try to submit some proof.

[bigfatpothead]

For the last 2 1/2 years I have been doing nothing but driving Jack Herer from event to event. I signed up with this forum on my laptop and when that got stolen I failed to remember all the websites I had saved in my favorites on the laptop.

The other day I did a search for pot forums and when I found this one I remembered I had an account so i logged on.

I don't get to spend as much time online as I would like so when I am home I like to spread the word about what I am doing.

Last year I built a device for splitting water into gas, and drove over 6000 miles on water.

I did a comedy tour of California while driving Jack.
I will be performing at the Seattle Hempfest this August.
here is a link to my certified ID
Cannabis Church (http://www.bigfatpothead.com/church/)
I am a very busy pothead
As far as proof,,,
I am willing to offer myself up to be arrested and have it filmed all the way through to the dismissal. If that is something anyone out there would like to film, I would need to find a person with a public access producers certificate.

Thanks for the response, sorry about spamming.
I tried to be as on topic as I could, I didn't post my message in a place where it didn't fit.

As far as that guy from the other site, he says he is 17 and has 2 years of law school, I just don't believe that.

Peace
Roland AA Duby

[FakeBoobsRule]

Please don't go getting yourself arrested just to prove the point, I'm sure you can find someone who has already been arrested.

I did see your car that runs on water, or at least I started to see it.

Has anyone used your defense successfully? See you say you have beaten charges 15 times with the program so why do it on purpose just to film it.

I'm not trying to bust on you but just trying to get the most accurate info possible.

[bigfatpothead]

I have 3 cases in Gallatin county ky
1 in Boone county ky
1 in cincinnati
1 outside of Lexington ky
1 in albany ga.
1 in Jacksonville florida
1 in macon ga

there's 9 I can remember where they were.

I will try to find case numbers


I found one (one I had forgotten)
case number Complaint No. 0116811869

Ronnie Smith v. City of Atlanta

june 18th 2001



Please don't go getting yourself arrested just to prove the point, I'm sure you can find someone who has already been arrested.

I did see your car that runs on water, or at least I started to see it.

Has anyone used your defense successfully? See you say you have beaten charges 15 times with the program so why do it on purpose just to film it.

I'm not trying to bust on you but just trying to get the most accurate info possible.

[8182KSKUSH]

So um.......:stoned:
Anybody heard anything?
I am starting to wonder what the hell is going on? I have yet to hear or see ANY, ANY, news ANYWHERE, about this, obviously there have not been enough signatures gathered, or it will be coming down to the last minute?
WTF?

I am sure everyone will be heading out to the clubs to get all the freebies they can.:wtf:
Sometimes I wonder what the fuck is everyone celebrating?
Ain't nothing in life free, don't forget that, happy 420, what the fuck ever. :S4:

Please someone come on here, and tell me I am an ass and that I am an idiot, and provide some current information on what is going on with this, since I am obviously too stupid to figure it out on my own! That would make me happy!:( I am sorry in advance if ANYONE takes offense to my post, it is not meant to be offensive, just expressing my true frustrations. It's just that I believe that the deadline is 4/20 for the first round of signatures, and well........

[the image reaper]

to hell with pot, I want to know how you 'drove over 6000 miles on WATER' ... :D

[8182KSKUSH]

So anyone have any information?

[8182KSKUSH]

I did find on the Cali Sec of States site the status, it is still in circulation. They deadline is April 24th not 4/20, I may have just imagined that was the deadline in my head I guess. Here's the link if you are the other person that is intrested in following this, it allows you to follow the offical status. Pretty cool.
California Secretary of State - Elections & Voter Information - Initiative Update (http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_j.htm#1296)
:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

This is it today is the day, I will start checking myself for additional information on the status of the initative tomorrow, I am thinking that they have until the end of business likely? Anyways, if anyone has any info on this please post it! With as many people from Cali that are members of this site, I cannot believe that there isn't more to do about it? WTF?:wtf:

[boaz]

:thumbsup: thanks, kush, i was kinda wondering about when the deadline was, too. hopefully they are all just too busy counting sig's., right now. :rasta:

[8182KSKUSH]

There is no update on the Sec of States site as of today. I will keep checking.

[8182KSKUSH]

Update,
The sec of state's website has not been updated since 4/18, the cirrculation deadline was 4/24. I would expect an update soon? There are other ballot measures being circulated for signatures too, I will keep checking. IF there are any experts out there that do know, or have some actual insight please post.:jointsmile:

[boaz]

^ I guess they didn't get eneogh sig's this year. :( oh well, great job to all that worked on it. Good luck in 2010! I will keep your link in my sig until its passed in 2010. :jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

What the heck? How/where did you find out? Help a brotha out? Throw me a bone boaz!:jointsmile:

[boaz]

oh sorry, bro, click my link below, its on there.

[8182KSKUSH]

Fuck!:mad:

[8182KSKUSH]

I am confused here. The sec of states site is updated as of 4/28, and it sounds like they got enough signatures. It sounds like they are now going to be collecting the additional needed 09/05/08.
So what is going on?
Niether of the initatives are marked as failed? They still look active per the government site? So what is the deal I am sure someone can explain it for me? Check out the site.
California Secretary of State - Elections & Voter Information - Initiative Update (http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/elections_j.htm#1341)

Just scroll through it, there are 2, it looks like another seperate one with regard to amnesty for state convicted marijuana offenders? Maybe I am just fucking stupid I guess?:smokin::smokin:

[8182KSKUSH]

Ok, someone educate me I am ignorant.
I know that the "activist" groups have declared that there were not enough signatures for the initiative to legalize.
However the sec of states site, as of May 2, has not even finished counting them?


Initiatives Pending Raw Count of Signatures


1296. (07-0064)
Marijuana. Repeal of Criminal and Civil Penalties. Release from Jail. Statute.
Summary Date: 11/26/07 Circulation Deadline: 04/24/08 Signatures Required: 433,971

Proponents: Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson and Seeva Marie Cherms
Decriminalizes possession, cultivation, transportation, distribution, and use of marijuana or hemp. Provides persons convicted or serving time for non-violent offenses involving marijuana be immediately released from prison, jail, parole, or probation, and be eligible to have their convictions erased. Provides no permit, license, or tax be required for non-commercial cultivation, transportation, distribution, or consumption of marijuana. Allows doctors to prescribe or recommend marijuana to patients, regardless of age. Prohibits testing for marijuana for employment or insurance purposes. Bars state from aiding enforcement of certain federal marijuana laws. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Savings in the several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. A potential increase of a few million dollars annually in the cost of the stateâ??s Drug Medi-Cal substance abuse treatment program. (Initiative 07-0064.)

Where is the disconnect, and what is going on.
Also, there is another initiative that has recieved even less attention than the other one. It is apparently still in circulation,


Marijuana Legalization. Individual Rights. Constitutional Amendment.


Summary Date: 04/08/08 Circulation Deadline: 09/05/08 Signatures Required: 694,354
Proponent: Christopher Springer



Amends constitution to legalize marijuana and hemp within California and to provide for broad individual constitutional rights, including rights to food, shelter, medical care, and to be free from â??unreasonableâ?� taxation. Allows marijuana to be sold in any store that sells alcohol. Establishes local boards with expansive powers, including powers to regulate and tax marijuana. Requires marijuana tax revenues support specified programs. Exempts marijuana sales profits from income tax. Forbids most testing for marijuana used outside the workplace. Prohibits most marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco advertisements. Immunizes marijuana growers and sellers from liability. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Potential savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Potential costs of up to the tens of millions of dollars to state and local governments to fund the one-time start-up costs of the local boards. A potentially significant increase in state and local spending on substance abuse treatment services that could possibly be partially or fully offset by revenues from this measure. Potential increased revenues in the tens of millions to low hundreds of millions of dollars annually from marijuana stamps and licenses to support specified programs and the local boards. Unknown but potentially significant increase in state and local revenues from collection of sales and use taxes on the sale of Marijuana. Unknown but potentially significant decrease in state and local revenues from taxes on tobacco and alcohol due to a prohibition of advertising for these goods that would likely result in a decline in sales. (Initiative 08-0009.)



Are the "so-called" "leaders" of the current political efforts to make cannabis reform happen in California talking anywhere about this? What is going on? :wtf:
How much $$ did they raise for this? What did they do with it? Why is there nothing about the 2nd one that I mentioned?

[8182KSKUSH]

As of May 12th, there are updates to proposed ballot initiatives.

1296. (07-0064) Marijuana. Repeal of Criminal and Civil Penalties. Release From Jail. Statute. FAILED to Qualify.

Initiatives and Referenda in Circulation
as of May 12, 2008 1341. (08-0009)

Marijuana Legalization. Individual Rights. Constitutional Amendment.
Summary Date: 04/08/08 Circulation Deadline: 09/05/08 Signatures Required: 694,354
Proponent: Christopher Springer
Amends constitution to legalize marijuana and hemp within California and to provide for broad individual constitutional rights, including rights to food, shelter, medical care, and to be free from â??unreasonableâ?� taxation. Allows marijuana to be sold in any store that sells alcohol. Establishes local boards with expansive powers, including powers to regulate and tax marijuana. Requires marijuana tax revenues support specified programs. Exempts marijuana sales profits from income tax. Forbids most testing for marijuana used outside the workplace. Prohibits most marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco advertisements. Immunizes marijuana growers and sellers from liability. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Potential savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Potential costs of up to the tens of millions of dollars to state and local governments to fund the one-time start-up costs of the local boards. A potentially significant increase in state and local spending on substance abuse treatment services that could possibly be partially or fully offset by revenues from this measure. Potential increased revenues in the tens of millions to low hundreds of millions of dollars annually from marijuana stamps and licenses to support specified programs and the local boards. Unknown but potentially significant increase in state and local revenues from collection of sales and use taxes on the sale of Marijuana. Unknown but potentially significant decrease in state and local revenues from taxes on tobacco and alcohol due to a prohibition of advertising for these goods that would likely result in a decline in sales. (Initiative 08-0009.) (Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i782_08-0009_initiative_compliant.pdf)

So there you have it. It looks like there is still some "activity", but who knows what will come of it. I am dissapointed to say the least with the other initiative that did nothing and went no where. Even with the backing of "psuedo celebs in the cannabis world (Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson and Seeva Marie Cherms)". These are the people that are "the leaders of the movement" but they failed miserably. WTF is going on, WTF happened. They had to have known pretty damn early on that was going to be the result. That tells me they must have had some kind of idea at what was happening the whole time they were trying to "raise money". This other initiative just has one persons name on it. It's still alive for now, so we'll see what happens I guess. Why wouldn't any of those people that endorsed the other initiative, be endorsing the one that is still alive? Bull shit politics and I am ye of little faith for the people that are proclaiming that they are the leaders of the "movement". Just my stupid opinion though.:mad:
I wonder how much money was raised for that bill? I distinctly get the impression that the current "movement" is really all about donations donations donations. It seems like their is a nice business within cannabis activism, and it's ironic that if it were legal, many of the "activists" that are collecting money to pursue "great political progress" would lose some income. This is a rant but really, what was the effort? Nill. So WTF happened. I just want some answers. Hard to believe that no one is even intrested. I am frustrated and apologize to those whome this post may have offended. This was just an innocent little rant.:)

[boaz]

Fuck!:mad:

i second that. Kush, you should be commended for all your work trying to weed this all out (:D . . . sorry). wish i knew more but i'm in bumfuck oklahoma so i don't have a clue other that whats on their website. :stoned: best of luck out there.

[8182KSKUSH]

It's just frustrating, I was at a clinic today, spoke to a handful of people, (patients and employees) only 1 of them was even aware that something was going on, and none of them knew the first one was dead, none of them knew about the second one. Something stinks to me.

I feel bad for you out there. I lived in Miami for a couple years. I know what you are likely dealing with. Hopefully you have access to some better stuff than the mexican weed. But if not it does do the trick I guess, worked for me for 11 years anyway. It's neat that you have an intrest in the ongoings politically out here, too bad more people out here weren't as intrested as you!:D

[8182KSKUSH]

i second that. Kush, you should be commended for all your work trying to weed this all out (:D . . . sorry). wish i knew more but i'm in bumfuck oklahoma so i don't have a clue other that whats on their website. :stoned: best of luck out there.

I am just a bumfuck from Kansas, just happen to live out here now. Believe me, first hand exp. People out here are far from being more advanced, smarter, or enlightened in any way. I actually think people out here are kind of slow and backwards, in the way they prioritze things and think anyway.

[boaz]

^ :jointsmile: i bet it didn't take you long at all to realize that, either. :rastasmoke: i love californians, i was actually born out there on the left coast myself and lived in So. Cal. for years during my college daze, so i can talk about them. :D but i grew up in So. Mo. not far from Kansas and Miami. we used to cross the border about every weekend when I was in high school back when Kansas had 18 and over clubs that served beer. :thumbsup:

I am also a card carrying med user, although, sadly, the card is just a novelty here. we have med use laws but only if you have cancer, i believe. its a start, but its no prop 215. until then, yes, its grow your own, get some help from a friend, or thank god for our amigos and amigas down south for the brick weed. mucho's gracias! :pimp:

[boaz]

^ btw . . . that smoking baby pic has me rolling on the floor everytime i see it. :jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Nothing new here. The site has not been updated since my last posting. I will follow this last one through to the end though and post what happens. :jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Just checking in here, no new news to report, the previously mentioned initiative is still in circulation for siggies.

Just some food for thought,
around the same time the other initiative was circulating that failed to qualify, this one did qualify.

1274. (07-0041)

Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute.
Summary Date: 10/01/07 Qualified: 04/09/08 Signatures Required: 433,971

Proponent: Joe Ramsey (916) 967-8102
Requires that an enclosure or tether confining specified farm animals allow the animals for the majority of every day to fully extend their limbs or wings, lie down, stand up, and turn around. Specified animals include calves raised for veal, egg-laying hens, and pregnant pigs. Exceptions made for transportation, rodeos, fairs, 4-H programs, lawful slaughter, research and veterinary purposes. Provides misdemeanor penalties, including a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment in jail for up to 180 days. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Probably minor local and state enforcement and prosecution costs, partly offset by increased fine revenue. (Initiative 07-0041.) (Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/2007-08-09_07-0041_Initiative.pdf)

Can anyone explain how Joe Ramsey got the required siggies for what I would say is kind of a obscure, wierd ass bill, but the "Great Celebrity Leaders of Cannabis Culture in CA" failed? I just offer this as food for thought with regard to our "Activist Leaders" here. What the fuck were they doing exactly? I am starting to really believe that they never intended to get the required siggies, and that it was all a stunt to get in the news some, and raise money off a donations from people for their non profits. Hard to imagine how exactly these people couldn't get the required siggies for their initiative, but this guy gets them for an initiative about fucking farm animals!!!!!!! Am I crazy or does anyone else here notice a problem?:mad: Is this what happens when your activist "leaders" are all still convinced it's 1967? Are they just taking advantage of uninformed cannabis users for the sake of making money. That's what it looks like to me, but maybe I am just crazy. Fuck all of them if that is the case fuck'em all. Until we change the face of cannabis advocacy, nothing will change, and people that have a vested intrest in making money advocating for cannabis will continue to take advantage of the ignorant and uninformed while claiming to be the "movements" leaders. What a fucking joke.

[HighTy]

What we need is a huge protest. It's hard to get everyone to do it tho. Get on the media somehow, local news stations. let the world know what were tryin to do.

[8182KSKUSH]

:wtf:I understand what you are saying, however I failed to notice the "huge protests" for the initiative that I mentioned in the previous post. Somehow, it managed to get the required siggies. Can someone explain that to me I am all ears...
What was it again, oh yeah, a bill for the treatment of farm animals, right. So they get their required siggies, and we don't. I think it goes a whole fuck load deeper than we just didn't protest and get out there. Like I said, I don't recall seeing the protesters and advocates groups dedicated to the treatment of farm animals, but somehow they did it.:wtf::mad: There is still hope though, 1 initiative still alive and gathering signatures.:jointsmile:

[HighTy]

One important question though...

Where do we sign??? A lot of people want to know this. including me.

[8182KSKUSH]

I wouldn't say "alot" of people want to know that, (since you are the only person that has even asked on this thread so far).
You need to sign the petition within your county of registration. Which means that you would have to find one of the circulators of the petition. Good luck. I don't know exactly how you will do that. There is a ton of info on the Secretary of State's website that may be helpful, but it won't tell you which Wal Mart parking lot or college campus to go to in your county, sorry. You do raise a great point, however again, I don't remember seeing the "Treatment of Farm Animals" petition circulators gathering siggies, but they got them. So I have a really hard time understanding how exactly how the other decrim failed already, and how the current one would not get enough. Surely there are more people more intrested and in support of cannabis use than there are for the "treatment of farm animals"?:wtf:

[HighTy]

If I could find out where to sign, I would at least feel im making a difference. Whoever holds the petition, please let me know where you are! I would even volunteer and help, seriously.

[wwwjohnjewelcom]

the cops came in my home and took 3 small pot plants.they told me that I needed a license to grow.they said to grow it inside , but since I live on 2nd floor there is no need to keep it out of the reach of children. why cant i have a plant in plain sight ? where can I get a license ?

[HighTy]

I dont know man, you might want to find another thread that can answer that better for you. good luck!

[Fencewalker]

Info on signing the petition and where to turn in signatures (http://www.youthfederation.com/).

I don't really understand all the confusion on where to sign...It was included in the first post. :confused:

[8182KSKUSH]

Info on signing the petition and where to turn in signatures (http://www.youthfederation.com/).

I don't really understand all the confusion on where to sign...It was included in the first post. :confused:


That must have been some good shit you are on tonight!;)
The link you posted is referencing an already failed attempt by the "pot gurus" here in California. They failed to collect the required number of signatures, nice to see that site still up though. I betcha my last bowl that if you tried to "DONATE" money thinking you were helping with this effort they would still take it though! What was most recently being discussed is the proposed Constitutional Amendment



1341. (08-0009)
Marijuana Legalization. Individual Rights. Constitutional Amendment.
Summary Date: 04/08/08 Circulation Deadline: 09/05/08 Signatures Required: 694,354
Proponent: Christopher Springer



Amends constitution to legalize marijuana and hemp within California and to provide for broad individual constitutional rights, including rights to food, shelter, medical care, and to be free from â??unreasonableâ?� taxation. Allows marijuana to be sold in any store that sells alcohol. Establishes local boards with expansive powers, including powers to regulate and tax marijuana. Requires marijuana tax revenues support specified programs. Exempts marijuana sales profits from income tax. Forbids most testing for marijuana used outside the workplace. Prohibits most marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco advertisements. Immunizes marijuana growers and sellers from liability. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Potential savings of up to several tens of millions of dollars annually to state and local governments, which would no longer incur the costs of incarcerating and supervising certain marijuana offenders. Potential costs of up to the tens of millions of dollars to state and local governments to fund the one-time start-up costs of the local boards. A potentially significant increase in state and local spending on substance abuse treatment services that could possibly be partially or fully offset by revenues from this measure. Potential increased revenues in the tens of millions to low hundreds of millions of dollars annually from marijuana stamps and licenses to support specified programs and the local boards. Unknown but potentially significant increase in state and local revenues from collection of sales and use taxes on the sale of Marijuana. Unknown but potentially significant decrease in state and local revenues from taxes on tobacco and alcohol due to a prohibition of advertising for these goods that would likely result in a decline in sales. (Initiative 08-0009.) (Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i782_08-0009_initiative_compliant.pdf)For which apparently there is no fucking way to do anything with and is likely a prank I guess, who fucking knows. I know this, no one "The so called Cannabis Crusaders" that all endorsed and put their names on the piece you mentioned don't even acknowledge this proposed amendment. Why? Must be busy fucking around being "Pot Crusaders" jeesuz fuck. How do you NOT get the required number of siggies. And then you just don't mention or seem to promote or discuss anywhere the previously mentioned proposed amendment? Really Fuck you too then. And I don't want to hear the bull shit that people didn't get involved or informed. That's horse caca. I don't know for a fact, but between all the different groups that raised and apparently are still raising money for an expired initiative that is not even in circulation. I am betting they had better funding than the guy that got the required number of siggies for what. Joe Ramsey
Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute.
I fucking dare someone to come on this board and tell me they were better funded, had more publicity, more public intrest.
I think I know the answer to my question, "Explain to me how this failed" but I want to see if anyone else has a better idea or knows something that I don't. Seems to me these "Cannabis Crusaders" "Jack Herer, Charles E. Lepp, George Clayton Johnson, Phyllis Vonderscher, Ronnie Lee Smith, Michael S. Jolson and Seeva Marie Cherms" all really don't give a shit unless you are donating money to them as evident by the sight Fencewalker mentioned. Hope they raised lots of dough, I can't imagine that they had less publicity, support, resources, volunteers, ect... than Joe Ramsey whom was the sole proponent of...wait for it, you know the widely popular...

Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute.

Some initiatives that did get enough siggies are:



Propositions that are on the
November 4, 2008 General Election Ballot*

Bond Measure


Proposition 1
SB 1856 (Chapter 697, 2002). Costa.
Safe, Reliable High-Speed Passenger Train Bond Act for the 21st Century. (http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/01-02/bill/sen/sb_1851-1900/sb_1856_bill_20020919_chaptered.pdf)**


Proposition 2
1274. Treatment of Farm Animals. Statute.
Proponent: Joe Ramsey (916) 967-8102
Requires that an enclosure or tether confining specified farm animals allow the animals for the majority of every day to fully extend their limbs or wings, lie down, stand up, and turn around. Specified animals include calves raised for veal, egg-laying hens, and pregnant pigs. Exceptions made for transportation, rodeos, fairs, 4-H programs, lawful slaughter, research and veterinary purposes. Provides misdemeanor penalties, including a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment in jail for up to 180 days. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Probably minor local and state enforcement and prosecution costs, partly offset by increased fine revenue. (Initiative 07-0041.) (Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/2007-08-09_07-0041_Initiative.pdf)


!Initiative Statute


Proposition 3
1271. Childrenâ??s Hospital Bond Act. Grant Program. Statute. Proponent: Diana S. Dooley (916) 552-7111



(Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/2007-07-24_07-0034_Initiative.pdf) Initiative Constitutional Amendment


Proposition 4
1287. Waiting Period and Parental Notification Before Termination of Minorâ??s Pregnancy.
Constitutional Amendment. Proponent: John Smith



(Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/i722_07-0053_A1S_Initiative.pdf)
Initiative Statute
Proposition 5


1310. Nonviolent Offenders. Sentencing, Parole and Rehabilitation. Statute. Proponent: Daniel N. Abrahamson (510) 229-5211



(Initiative 07-0081.) (Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i751_07-0081_initiative.pdf)
Initiative Statute
Proposition 6


1326. Criminal Penalties and Laws. Public Safety Funding. Statute. Proponents: George C. Runner, Jr., Gary Ovitt and Mike Reynolds



(Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i765_07-0094_a1s.pdf) Initiative Statute
Proposition 7


1304. Renewable Energy. Statute. Proponent: Jim Gonzalez c/o Randall W. Keen (310) 312-4000



(Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/i735_07-0066_Initiative_A1S.pdf)
Initiative Constitutional Amendment
Proposition 8


1298. Limit on Marriage. Constitutional Amendment. Proponents: Dennis Hollingsworth, Gail J. Knight, Martin F. Gutierrez, Hak-Shing William Tam, and Mark A. Jansson c/o Andrew Pugno (916) 608-3065



Amends the California Constitution to provide that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: The measure would have no fiscal effect on state or local governments. This is because there would be no change to the manner in which marriages are currently recognized by the state. (Initiative 07-0068.) (Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/i737_07-0068_Initiative.pdf)
Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute
Proposition 9


1325. Criminal Justice System. Victimsâ?? Rights. Parole. Constitutional Amendment and Statute. Proponents: Henry Nicholas, Marcella Leach and LaWanda Hawkins c/o Ashlee N. Titus (916) 442-7757



(Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i771_07-0100_a1ns.pdf)
Initiative Statute
Proposition 10


1332. Bonds. Alternative Fuel Vehicles and Renewable Energy. Statute. Proponents: Allison Hart, Mitzi Dudley and Thomas Daly c/o Daniel K. Abramson (213) 624-6200



(Initiative 07-0101.) (Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/initiatives/pdfs/i772_07-0101_amdt_2_s.pdf) Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute
Proposition 11


1307. Redistricting. Constitutional Amendment and Statute. Proponents: Kathay Feng, Jeannine English and David Fleming



(Full Text) (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/i746_07-0077_Initiative.pdf)
*Titles Subject to Change.


So in closing again, if ANYONE KNOWS how to contact Chris Springer the sole proponent of our only CURRENTLY ACTIVE hope, please post it. I won't hold my breath though, but that other one person that is even aware of it might care.:thumbsup:

[Fencewalker]

Damn, now I feel like a goof. Lol

Thanks for setting me straight.

[8182KSKUSH]

I think the goof is actually on all of us.:mad:

[flyingimam]

um i know this goes to the beginning of this topic

US is an assignee to Geneva convention, we just renamed enemy troops to "combatants" and found the right to use excessive interrogation methods on them (torture)

also

US is an assignee to NPT, did we ever discard any of our nukes? lol

International treaties should be no problem for US to overcome, UN is kinda US's b*tch, what US wants goes thru what we dont wish doesnt, want me to mention some? In israeili-palestinian issue, most condemntions of security council when israel kills civilians gets a swift veto and thats the end of it!

Sure US can legalize it, no seious legal problems, when world court orders a halt to an international dispute on an execution in texas, world's opinion is of 0 importance to US, why should world's opinion matter on marijuana :))

u must be kidding thinkin intl treaties have any real meaning for US, we made half them or more, we have our own ways of goting or bullyin around or right into them.;)

[8182KSKUSH]

Spot on, the UN is a toothless shark. I doubt that treaty is what is preventing the end of prohibition, and I sincerely doubt the UN could do a damn thing about it, should the US decided to decriminalize, however, it is a handy scapegoat. What is really ironic, the liberals in this country are always the ones that are talking about how "the UN is the almighty last word and authority" at least when they are talking about "certain" issues.
Just look at what they are doing about Russia, NADA.
Personally I believe the US should kick the UN HQ outta the US and withdraw it's membership. What a worthless bunch of skin sacks! Probably save a whole lot of "brown" people from being raped in every oriface world wide by "peacekeepers" too, under the guise of "peace keeping missions".:D
This really isn't the place, but it would be intresting to start a thread about the UN, I am curious to hear if there is anything that anyone could think of that the UN has actually done, (aside from raping innocent brown people all over the world and not paying any parking tickets.):thumbsup:

[SFGurrilla]

It's just frustrating, I was at a clinic today, spoke to a handful of people, (patients and employees) only 1 of them was even aware that something was going on, and none of them knew the first one was dead, none of them knew about the second one. Something stinks to me.

I feel bad for you out there. I lived in Miami for a couple years. I know what you are likely dealing with. Hopefully you have access to some better stuff than the mexican weed. But if not it does do the trick I guess, worked for me for 11 years anyway. It's neat that you have an intrest in the ongoings politically out here, too bad more people out here weren't as intrested as you!:D

It takes only one person for thousands to know something, one person to change it all, one person to actually go over and beyond what activism has done. Some people don't watch the news, some people don't read magazines, others to. You need to get out there and put it in every form of advertisement. Some people pass by some sorts thats why there are so many. You can have one ad for something and it wouldn't catch an eye but another ad for the same thing may catch that persons eye. Just do as much as you can to help. I live in amsterdam some of the year and have been to California twice. I still do all I can to help with spreading the word.

Peace and Love:rastasmoke:

[Reefer Rogue]

Cannabis will never be legalized through conventional means. This is because of the liability laws and the government would then have to apologize and admit they were wrong and they lied to people with false propaganda, prejudice and ignorance. If they legalized cannabis then the reparations would be so high from the claimaints who have had their liberty taken away that they would infact bankrupt the government. Thus, they must keep this just say no stance to save themselves. The war on drugs is a war with no end and a war without a chance for a truce or peace. Neither side will back down and therefore the side in power, the side who dominates, shall dictate. If we, the oppressed, don't make a consession of having a solution for reparations, it's never going to happen. We have to make an offer through an injunction or a class action suit or an intervener. The laws against cannabis are more harmful then the substance itself. Give peace a chance. :hippy:

[8182KSKUSH]

The deadline has come and gone on this constitutional amendment. Not a word anywhere about it. The sec. of states site has not updated yet, but I am going to guess that it failed to get the required number of siggies based on the fact that the proponent of the measure is apparently non existent.
Nice.:mad:
I hope Springer accomplished what he/she set out to do.:mad:

[8182KSKUSH]

Maybe we could go ahead and take this thread down, or un-sticky it and bury it since it is now dead.

[painretreat]

Hi Kush, I am not so sure it is completely dead. There are some activist's in the Inland Empire trying other means, which take a lot of patience!
Have you checked all the info from the Attn: Gen Edmund G. Brown's site? Or Jerry Brown: He wrote a long article of his interpretation of the 215/420 laws the last week of August?? Pr ;)

[8182KSKUSH]

I am very very certain that it is done/ was done the day it was proposed.
The deadline for gathering the signatures, and turning them in was Sept 5th.
Problem 2,
As per the guidelines on the sec. of states website, to gather signatures, there are certain criteria that must be followed. Within this criteria, the proponent has to fulfill certain requirements. So even if you or I would want to volunteer to collect signatures, we could not, because we would have to get in contact with Christopher Springer, whom has left no contact information at all with the sec. of state. I believe this was all a big gotcha, so that someone can say, "ha ha look at this, there was a constitutional amendment that needed in circulation to gather signatures to effectively legalize cannabis in CA, and the stoner's are so stupid not even 1 person signed it."
At least that is my suspicion. I don't know how else to explain what was happening, or in this case not happening. It's also telling, that to get this into circulation, you have to pay I believe $200, which is held in escrow, and then refunded to the proponent of the measure if the minimum number of signatures is met.
So why would someone pay the money, then leave no contact info, unless they never intended to collect a single signature in the first place.
I have seen a site here and there that is claiming to be gathering signatures on line, these folks are ill informed however. Signatures gathered on line are not valid according to the sec. of state. Also not well known, is that only signatures of registered voters are valid, within the county of their residence. There are alot of little rules regarding this process that many folks just aren't aware of apparently from what I have seen.
Do you know something I don't? Don't hold out on me IR! I would rather be completely wrong in this case, and still hold out a tiny amount of hope that I am.

Here is an excerpt from the guidelines as per the state of California for petition circulators:

Petition Circulators The proponent(s) of an initiative measure are required to ensure that any person, company, or other organization who solicits signatures to qualify the proposed initiative measure, whether they are paid or volunteer, receives instruction on the requirements and prohibitions imposed by state law with respect to the circulation of petitions and the gathering of signatures. Such instructions must emphasize the prohibition of the use of signatures on an initiative petition for a purpose other than qualification of the proposed measure for the ballot. (Section 9607) The petition may be circulated by a number of individuals carrying separate, identical parts of the petition called sections. Each petition circulator who obtains signatures must complete the attached declaration to the petition. Preprinted dates or generalized dates, other than the particular range of dates during which the petition section was actually circulated, are not allowed (Assembly v. Deukmejian (1982) 30 Cal.3d 638, 180 Cal.Rptr. 297). The declaration must be signed under penalty of perjury. It need not be sworn before a notary public or other officer authorized to administer oaths, but must include the circulator's signature, date, and place of signing (Code Civ. Proc. Section 2015.5). Prior to allowing a person to circulate an initiative petition for signatures, the person, company official, or other organizational officer who is in charge of signature gathering shall execute and submit to the proponent(s) a signed statement that reads as follows (Section 9609):

So you can see where the problem is.
I still don't understand why there was no, zero, zip, nada, mention of this from any of the so called "pot pseudo celebrity gurus" that all endorsed the prior initiative that was in circulation. :wtf:

So what are you hearing in the grape vine? I am not in contact with any activists here in the I.E, mostly because the activists that I have been in contact with previously make me want to puke!
But I would love to hear what the talk around town is on this subject!:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

1341. (08-0009) Marijuana Legalization. Individual Rights. Constitutional Amendment. Summary Date: 04/08/08 Failed: 09/30/08
Proponent: Christopher Springer

[painretreat]

Heh Kush, thanks for following this matter up for me. Appreciate it! Well, the I.E. is very busy with the Ronald matter, had a fundraiser last mo for him-did you go?

Pretty much, all is the same until the Federal gov't makes it legal! But, there is a lot of hard work in that direction! Are you aware of the 'educational meetings' and gathering info meetings. MAPP is pretty cool, you get real informed of what is going on locally, legally. Pretty good education-it is in Riverside. I attend as regularly as I can. The MAPP meeting are first Weds of each month in Riverside. lots of other stuff. Pretty much word of mouth in the meetings, but when and where the meetings-open to all legal users!

I think this is your thread, so on a personal note. has your sone caught anything lately? Should be a better time of year for fisihing! do you foresee the day you can put a worm on your hook and light a blunt with your son while fishing. I'd think that would be a very bonding, experience. 20 years ago, I would not have! PR :jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Heh Kush, thanks for following this matter up for me. Appreciate it! Well, the I.E. is very busy with the Ronald matter, had a fundraiser last mo for him-did you go?

Pretty much, all is the same until the Federal gov't makes it legal! But, there is a lot of hard work in that direction! Are you aware of the 'educational meetings' and gathering info meetings. MAPP is pretty cool, you get real informed of what is going on locally, legally. Pretty good education-it is in Riverside. I attend as regularly as I can. The MAPP meeting are first Weds of each month in Riverside. lots of other stuff. Pretty much word of mouth in the meetings, but when and where the meetings-open to all legal users!

I think this is your thread, so on a personal note. has your sone caught anything lately? Should be a better time of year for fisihing! do you foresee the day you can put a worm on your hook and light a blunt with your son while fishing. I'd think that would be a very bonding, experience. 20 years ago, I would not have! PR :jointsmile:

No I didn't, he didn't say anything to me about it. He had a couple at his house but I haven't gone to any others. Looks like he will be getting his trial date pushed back again. On a personal note, he seems very optomistic about how things will work out, so that's good! He's probably got the best read on the way things are going right now, so him feeling good is a good thing.:jointsmile:
No I haven't gone to any meetings or anything. I have my hands full now and have been up to my kneck in "medical marijuana" and don't really have anything real positive to say about the political situation here in California to be honest. Much like the national scene. LOL. If you go though, try to find out
1. Who is Christopher Springer
2. What was the motive behind the constitutional amendment that was doomed to fail.
3. Why did the proponent for the measure leave no contact information so that people could follow up with him to collect legal signatures?

Most of all, BE CAREFUL, in those "meetings". I am sure I don't have to tell you this but, be careful, I would not put it past any DEA agent and or local LEOs conducting surveilence and or attending undercover. This isn't hear say or anything, just my first gut reaction to the thought of educational meet-ups etc going on you know what I mean? It's been a hell of a year.:smokin:

As for fishing, no time lately, we just expanded our family and have a couple new pets that are eating every spare second of our time. In the short-term our fishing may be more limited, but we are now trading it off for a couple of life long companions for my son!:D