madrid's towering inferno

[pisshead]

http://infowars.com/articles/world/madrid_towering_inferno.htm

[mr chinnery]

"It is clear the structure has been damaged and has suffered high temperatures, and we cannot be certain that a pillar, girder or some other structural element will not collapse," Javier Sanz, fire chief for the Madrid region, told state radio."

So it would only have taken one pillar, girder or 'other structural element' to explain the WTC collapses.

[pisshead]

did you see how building 7 collapsed...it was one of the most beautifully controlled demolitions i have ever seen. i've seen videos of a few dozen controlled demolitions, and they still don't come close to building 7.

i have yet to see examples of modern steel buildings collapsing perfectly because of a few small fires, when there are buliding that burn for days and days and days around the world that don't collapse. perhaps you have some?

it was magic maybe? or bin laden personally came over and did it? or maybe it was one of his evil conspiracy network of freedom hating terrorists?

[amsterdam]

sad,sad,sad.

[pisshead]

wow, great job, you managed to set the record straight with that one.

[amsterdam]

a few small fires?the building was hit by an airplane traveling 400mph?

[pisshead]

building 7 was not hit by an airplane, genius. it's much further away than bulidings right next to 1 and 2, and received minimal damage...

it magically collapses around 5 in the afternoon on 9/11 in a perfectly symettrical fashion, after firefighters said they could contain the fires and they could put them out. a beautiful controlled demolition it was.

you clearly have no idea what i'm talking about. the owner of the building, larry silverstein, said they decided to pull the building and then they watched it fall. he actually said this. he is a real person who lives and breathes and he said this.

and how fortunate for him he gets hundreds of billions of dollars from the 'accident'...and a new building.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html

[amsterdam]

you are really tring to argue point's from a site called prisonplanet?genius!too funny.lol.

[amsterdam]

was that molder and scully?lol!

[pisshead]

can we say ignorant? there's video from a pbs documentary and links to mainstream stuff there...ap, reuters, haraatz, firefighter engineering...

are you trying to tell me building 7 was hit by a plane and that's why it collapsed?

i guess so, it helps you to avoid the subject, something you clearly know nothing about...

you think building 7 was hit by a plane, and probably aren't even aware the building existed or collapsed, so what does it matter. blissful.

i used to think just like you, and when i look back on it, it's sad. because i blindly just believe whatever i was told on the mainstream news. and when you even give a cursory look into 911...it's clear the government's official story is a lie.

but when there are hundreds of millions like you who will believe it was 19 freedom hating hijackers because their faces are flashed on the screen 1000 times a minute, and bin laden's face was plastered over the news 1000 times a minute, it must be true.

even soviet russians knew their media was lying to them. you have a long way to go. and you can't even spend 30 minutes watching something else, that might just get you to think a little.

you're the one that's sad my friend.

[amsterdam]

no i dont think a plane hit the building,didn't read the whole article,that's my bad.my aunt who lives in bridgewater NY escaped the towers falling.i have been to the site twice to pay my respect's.who dosen't know the building collapsed?the building collapsed,that's it,nothing more.there is no concpiracy there.halliburton didn't do it,w didn't do it,the military didn't do it,republican's didnt do it,o'reilly didnt do it.MUSLIM FANATIC'S DID IT.THAT'S IT.it's called reality.

[pisshead]

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[pisshead]

you clearly still haven't read it, or listened to it...there's about at least an hour of reading articles, and video of the owner of building 7,the construction manager of the WTC...

and if 'muslim fanatics' did it, explain to me how they brought down building 7 in a controlled demolition. there should be an explanation for that. who had the means the motive and the opportunity to commit this CRIME?

why has everyone from condi rice to rumsfeld to bush say no one had ever even thought of plans to hijack planes and crash them, when there are articles going back 10 years that say exactly that...and anti-aircraft missiles on top of skyscrapers at big global summits?

you know the superficial story of 9/11...dig deeper. there are plenty of whistleblowers. can you spend one hour clicking link by link on that page, watching the video, and reading the mainstream stuff...? if you come away thinking it's nutjob stuff, fine.

the real conspiracy theory is the freedom hating hijacker theory. we're seeing classical tyrannical power grabs using propaganda that goes back CENTURIES. if you think governments have never conspired to do anything bad or somehow that's all stopped and it can't happen here, you're naive.

how many people in the history of the world have probably said history doesn't repeat and it can't happen here.

[amsterdam]

i am on an airplane as we speak and don't have time to waste listening to conspiracy theories.i will however suggest you read popular mechanic's in wich all of the conspiacy theories are completely debunked.no one care's about that shit anymore.it's history.it isn't a theory,it is fact.if any one of those idea's had even the smallest bit of CREDIBLE information in them you can bet the MSM would jump all over it.they are a sad entity all together and soon to be obsolete.thankfully.these same conspiracy thought's have been around for a long time.they are more like entertainment than interesting.

[pisshead]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=close-minded

history is full of conspiracies.

but who needs them when you're there to worship your grand leader as he tells you the freedon hating terrorists did this because they hate freedom and are evil and muslim...here's bin laden't picture 100,000 times. see, he did it! there's his picture!

oh please george bush, give me homeland security and the patriot act to keep me safe. give me a national id card i'll need to travel through internal checkpoints thanks to the help of former top kgb, it's so good. you love us and care about us.

you're a roman slave, ignorant to the core.

[amsterdam]

it is,and that's all they will ever be is conspiracy THEORIES.nothing more.as for history not existing,whatever help's you sleep at night.

[JSTA]

Amsterdam, I don't agree or disagree with what PH is saying, but it seems like you are making personal attacks and completely disregarding what he is saying because you don't want to think of it as a conspiracy of some sort. Both sides to the 9/11 arguements make good points. The government knows what happened, the public doesn't. I doubt we'll ever know for sure what exactly happened. OH well, gonna go smoke now

[amsterdam]

you call those personal attacks?and yes,95%of american's do know what happened on 9/11

[Nullific]

No, no actual conspiracies at all.
Just theories, and theory == no credability.

www.jackherer.com

Instead of simply telling yourself a source has nothing to offer based on its DOMAIN NAME...how about you make an attempt to argu against other peoples points with your own sources?

What? bbc.co.uk, foxnews.com ahaha thats funny...what the hell kind of a news source consists of three laters or the name of a wild animal...ahaha. And .co must mean CONSPIRACY to you and thus has no factual basis in reality huh?
GOD you're a dick.

[amsterdam]

look at the web sites have you guy's quote!info wars?get a grip!it's fake!if a person think's they are getting reliable information from a site like that,call a 'DICK'but youre an moron.prisonplanet?i was talking with one of my best friend's the other night (who is a big conspiracy nut)and i asked him to describe these web sites.that they were for children!children.i get alot of my new's from reuters and my travel's.and by conspiracy,yes, i mean NO FACTUAL BASIS!LOL

[Nullific]

Holy shit...
If you had bothered to look you would have noticed these sites contain video footage, sound clips, links to government websites, ABC and CBS news footage...
The BBC, other international news sources, the LA Times.

And if you had bothered to go to jackherer.com any of the times i posted it as an example of a conspiracy you would see, and if you think you're so right about conspiracies not existing you could go ahead and refute it and get $100,000...but you didn't, you cannot, you wont.

[amsterdam]

google popular mechanics conspiracy theories 9/11.then read it.then move on with that crap.

[mr chinnery]

Give up Amsterdam, it's not worth it.

[pisshead]

Holy shit...
If you had bothered to look you would have noticed these sites contain video footage, sound clips, links to government websites, ABC and CBS news footage...
The BBC, other international news sources, the LA Times.

And if you had bothered to go to jackherer.com any of the times i posted it as an example of a conspiracy you would see, and if you think you're so right about conspiracies not existing you could go ahead and refute it and get $100,000...but you didn't, you cannot, you wont.

what do you expect from someone who wasn't even aware of building 7, he thought it was hit by a plane, 3+ years after the fact. the owner's on video saying they decided to pull. the owner, of the entire WTC complex! on video, saying they decided to pull the building.

and he calls this a theory, like he may or may not have said it, when he did in fact say it.

and he still has no explanation for the magical collapse of building 7...perhaps bin laden forced silverstein to do it and forced silverstein to take the hundreds of millions of dollars, because he hates freedom and is evil and muslim...

hundreds of millions of dollars, yeah, no motive there. the only unsubstantiated conspiracy theory regarding 9/11 is the 19 freedom hating hijackers who managed to evade all air defenses of the country with the largest military and defense budget on the planet, and he thinks they caught us by surprise.

that's a joke.

"In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."
--FDR (maybe he didn't exist either)

[amsterdam]

no one thought it was hit,i figured i knew what you had to say about it so i didn't bother reading the whole thing.that was my fault,let it go.

[pisshead]

still no explanation for the magical collapse of building 7.

other fires in steel structure buildings:
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/other_fires/other_fires.htm

also, your Hearst publication (pop mechanics) debunking, is a joke, and has itself been debunked. but then again, you have to grasp at straws given to you to disprove everything, right?

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/reply_to_popular_mechanics.htm#6

[amsterdam]

wow.serendipity really presented some great proof about something strange going on there?read popular mechanic's conspiracy report.it's actually a real report from ,ya know,credible people with ,ya know,expertice in that kind of stuff.

[pisshead]

still no explanation for the magical collapse of building 7.

[amsterdam]

if you watch the video you can clearly see the HUGE amount of smoke

[amsterdam]

when the real investigator's got involved they discovered that thewas alot more damage than was first reported.the fire was also fed by diesel lines in the building.no one besides a person working for these websites has ever said a fire cant destroy a steel,when in fact it weeken's it.not to mention the unique structure of the building itself.not a single person has ever found a TRACE of explosive's in that building,EVER.