Rusty's Bonsai Downsizing... [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

Rusty Trichome

01-09-2008, 02:37 PM

Wasn't sure where to post this, but I wouldn't be offended, with it being moved to it's proper place. (as long as it isn't in the trash, lol)
First off...don't try this at home, I'm a trained...um...ok, so I'm not really trained.
But
I saw this in another post, and was wondering if it would work. I had previous experience in growing bonsai, and figured I'd give it a grow...

Reason for doing it...
An incoming crop of plants from the veg room was forcing my hand. The plants in veg were getting too stinky in the house, so had to move them out to the flower room. I had already harvested the other three Diesels, and this one was lagging what looked like a week or so back. Weeks I didn't have...I needed the space and the pot.

So rather than cut-n-toss, I, well...it's easier to show what I did:
Top left pix: Lazy Diesel in 5 gallon pot.
Top center: Just been hacked.
Top right: Removed from pot, cut root ball to size.
Bottom: Plunked into a 1 gallon container.
(all pix in this post taken on 12-22-07)

Rusty Trichome

01-09-2008, 02:48 PM

Up to date pix:

She's been re-vegging for a bit over two weeks. I flushed when first put in for re-veg, regular veg nute routine from then on. No other special treatment.
No signs of stress, no nanners, but already about 3" of new growth.
As now I'm needing the space in the veg room, will soon up-pot (transplant into bigger pot) and throw her back into flower. Sure could use another couple of grow rooms, lol.

Pix on left was taken on 1-04-08
Pix on right taken today 1-09-08

Love2Chief

01-10-2008, 01:45 AM

whats up whith tha plant on the left some of the leaves arent jagged?

Rusty Trichome

01-10-2008, 03:18 AM

Common, early in a re-veg. I'm guessing the plant is simply going..."WTF?"
Will re-pot it tomorrow in a 3 gallon and see if it will still fit in my veg room.

Rusty Trichome

01-11-2008, 02:58 PM

Gee...no insights, no insults, and only one question?
Has anyone here tried this before, and what were the results?

Anyway, I transplanted into a 3 gallon pot and is still in veg room. About 4" of new growth since chopping her. Looking great so far. Will take clones next week, then put her back into the flower room.
If this is a repeatable process, and can be used with other strains, it can save about 3 to 4 weeks of veg time. (or add 3 to 4 weeks to maturity before flowering)
Might be quicker than waiting for seedlings and clones to root/mature, and I don't have to worry about trying to fit my re-grows (in 5 gallon pots) in with my other seedlings and clones.
Will have to see during flowering, what the stresses may have caused, but as I said...looking good so far.

Can't wait to try this with the C-99 x Sweet Tooth I just put into the flowering room.

Picture is from today:
Chopped Diesel (with Swazi clones in the left corner, and a Rusty's Pokerface seedling behind the Diesel)

Dutch Pimp

01-11-2008, 05:07 PM

I have always heard re-veg is more trouble than it's worth...but ..what the hell...;)...I'm gonna try it.

But, first I've got to harvest the colas first, then let lower buds mature, (something new for me too). I have pollenated buds on the lower bud sites, at least, I think i do.

Then, I will try re-vegging; but, I'm at least a month behind you on this.

Question?...your cut the root ball down to fit in 1 gallon pot...I would rather just leave them in the 10 inch pot, they are in now, or should I transplant to something smaller? Is this a fresh soil move/idea?

Rusty Trichome

01-11-2008, 05:51 PM

The only reason I originally downsized the pot was to be able to fit it in my veg room, without compromising my other 'veggies' (vegging clones/seedlings)
Being able to give some fresh soil was on my mind, but in actuality there wasn't much room in the 1 gal. pot for more.
It was quicker and easier flushing the smaller pot to help leach-out the flower ferts, tho.

Also, I forgot to mention that immediatelly after I cut the root ball down to size, I sprayed the root ball with ph'd water, and sprinkled some rooting hormone on the roots before re-potting. Not sure it was a good idea, or a bad idea. Pot was immediatelly rootbound which is why I have already transplanted into a 3 gallon pot. (altho no signs of problems, wanted to be sure none showed up)

Nice grow. Is that a bug trap hanging there, or just a tease for the plants?

Dutch Pimp

01-11-2008, 06:06 PM

Is that a bug trap hanging there, or just a tease for the plants?

haha...never thought about that...I just put that in there for depth perception...but, I guess a person could put a little canalope juice in there, and trap every dog-dick gnat around....:D

scagster

01-11-2008, 07:23 PM

Looks good rusty. Sounds like you've got a lot of different strains, have to say I'm jealous.

Rusty Trichome

01-14-2008, 12:46 AM

A few years ago, I was gifted a "research and development" strain from ReeferMan, a couple of med strains thanks to a very kind and generous native american indian, and some hybrids being offered by a breeder learning the trade.
Definatelly was at the right place at the right time. Comes in handy now, tho. Wife and I are on a very fixed income, and simply can't afford the new, designer genetics. (unless we were to win the Powerball jackpot)

Bummer about the pix. :stoned:

scagster

01-14-2008, 07:18 PM

pix are working now :thumbsup:

texas grass

01-14-2008, 08:01 PM

Can't wait to try this with the C-99 x Sweet Tooth I just put into the flowering room.

are you talking about bogs sc99 if so then i have 2 that sprouted and looking decent

i have never tried to bonsai or reveg but sometime this week im goin to bonsai some plants and get some good mothers going.

your reveg looks great for everything the plant went through, but i would think it would be more economical to bonsai the mom and take abunch of clones to flower, can have em ready in almost 3 weeks to be flowered and once the mom is old enough you wont have a problem on getting alot of clones

you can also trim the roots of the mom and keep her in smaller pots with good success

mums (http://www.cannabase.com/cl/pages/mums/mums.html)
heres the origional poster from og

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - ALL ABOUT BONSAI MOMS/MUMS (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31919)
heres an updated version with alittle more info

Rusty Trichome

01-15-2008, 04:55 PM

Guess this grow log is cancelled...

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/147136-everything-sucks-nothing-else-matters.html

Texas...Thanks for the links, but been there already. Also...my C-99 x Sweet Toots is from a few years ago, so I kinda doubt it's the same. One of my favorites, tho.

Rusty Trichome

01-29-2008, 07:28 PM

Well, it seems I have two survivors from the cold-room incident. (heater had quit, thought I had lost all plants to the cold)
One survivor was a Swazi, the other is the Diesel I had chopped to downsize for this project.
After cutting off the soggy shoots, I just left them in the flower room. The rest of the plant has perked back up. I check daily for nanners, but have found none yet. Possible stunting, but is normally a short plant anyway, lol.

First pix is the Diesel from the top.
Second pix is of the plants base. It had an unusual one to begin with, just to show it's the same plant.

Rusty Trichome

01-29-2008, 07:53 PM

Here's a couple of shots of the flower room...

First pix...just above the lights. The 2x4 'hangers' are about 3' long, and anchored to the horiz. board along the back wall. The 2x4's pivot freely, and can be un-screwed from the pivot-point, and slide left and right. 7' or so of headroom. Up to 7' wide, if I wanted.

Second pix...the grow area and a few 3 gallon plants waiting to be sexed.

SnSstealth

04-03-2008, 08:32 PM

rusty....i am tryin bonsai moms next crop...same thing you did, you wanna cut root ball after every clone chop, and with some topping, a 18 in bonsai can have 20-30 clones on it...good idea, slightly differant than yours, but keep tweaking, never thought to reveg.....you sadist you....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

essencevfx

04-04-2008, 07:29 PM

I love bonzai art, have done it for a long time, Im definatly going to try this with my mothers :)

Thanks !

Rusty Trichome

04-04-2008, 08:28 PM

Adds an extra dimension to our hobby. :jointsmile:

Rusty Trichome

07-13-2008, 01:04 PM

A quick update...

I have found this method to be quite reliable, and well worth the effort. Had one failure, but that was due to me seeing just how much you can remove from the foliage before it's too much.

As long as there are active internode sites with green leaves, even if very small, it'll grow. But there must be SOMETHING there to convert the sun's energy.

Conversely, I have found that it works best to remove as much of the budsites as possible, prior to re-vegging. My belief is that it's a hormone thing. If you don't remove the budsites, plant takes forever to start vegging again, and she will show signs of freaking-out. (an un-technical term for leaf weird-out syndrome)

Have been asked..."why not just take clones..."?
Well, I guess if you would rather have fresh-cut, unrooted clones, suceptible to stress, needing to be pampered and coddled...go for it. This ain't no sissy technique, lol. Technically, it's an 8" rooted clone from a plant that I've already seen is worthy of re-veg. If at some point I wish to do the clone mother thing, then yes, I do have that option. In abundance.

This Bonsai method:
Like getting the biggest, healthiest clone you've ever seen. Multiple budsites without further topping or fimming.
Plant starts her flowering stretch within a couple of days, not a couple of weeks.
It's an older plant from the word go, and she's dying to pump-out the buds.
No worries about lights too strong, or going overboard with the nutes. Stick with your regular veg schedule.
Were I inclined to SCROG, this is the technique I would definatelly apply.

Oh, BTW...Since starting this project in Jan, no hermies.

SnSstealth

07-13-2008, 01:09 PM

good shit rusty....I am going to be bonsai-ing all my moms now...they are vegging now...few more days Ill start shaping em...thanks for posting your results!!!!
whiskeytango:thumbsup:

Rusty Trichome

07-13-2008, 01:32 PM

good shit rusty....I am going to be bonsai-ing all my moms now...they are vegging now...few more days Ill start shaping em...thanks for posting your results!!!!
whiskeytango:thumbsup:
Thanks SnS. Good luck and please, let me know how you're progressing. Any questions, just holler.
4 out of 6 plants in my flower room right now, are bonsai. The other two are clones from a previous bonsai.
Altho I love this technique, I feel kinda bad throwing all my extra smoke in the compost heap.

I've got some Inca Spirit (indica) x Pokerface (indica dom) I'm trying this on next. When I get some camera batteries I'll post the story here. I'm just about to bury them up to their cotelydons, so it will be a while.

SnSstealth

07-13-2008, 01:38 PM

oooooh, keep me posted!! very curious about pokerface:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

NaughtyDreadz

07-13-2008, 06:23 PM

yo man!!!! u da man! I was wonder on how I'm doing this.. I got this one leda-uno phenotype thats flowering and it smells like dirty bathrooms, all the others smell like pineapple hard candy. you've basically showed me wot to do, and for that I am greatful sir!

greenatik

07-13-2008, 10:11 PM

heya rusty,

great thread w/ pics of how to bonsai.. just a few questions.. my next grow I plan on doing 6-7 plants in a very cramped space (30" tall, 14" wide) . Going to start from clone, and bonsai'ing them has crossed my mind. How long after you start seeing new growth can you flip to flower? Once bonsai'd do they tend to not get very tall? For efficiency, my space really encourages single cola plants. What would happen If i just bonsai'd the secondary shoots and left the top alone?

any suggestions are definitely appreciated! :D

Rusty Trichome

07-14-2008, 01:33 PM

heya rusty, great thread w/ pics of how to bonsai..
Appreciate it, thanks. You too, ND.

...How long after you start seeing new growth can you flip to flower? I give 'em a month or so. Generally takes a week to start showing the new growth.

Once bonsai'd do they tend to not get very tall? Correct. They still stretch, but not as much as from seed or clone. With my indica's I'll give 'em an extra week or two in re-veg. Seems to cut the PMS (Pre Motherhood Stretch...the stretch that happens when you switch from veg schedule to flower schedule) about in half for both sativa and indica hybrids.

What would happen If i just bonsai'd the secondary shoots and left the top alone?
I've never left the cola, but from the experience of leaving some of the lesser (insignificant) buds, the flowering hormones that remain in the main cola would freak-out the lady early in the re-veg process. Stressing her out big time, causing slowed growth or plant death. The mature trichomes gurantee your room will stink for the next few weeks tho. Another good reason to remove all of the buds before re-veg.
Regardless, the main cola you were trying to save will make way for new growth by withering up and dying off. No ground gained there, but I like the way you think...nice try. :jointsmile:

You can easily train and trim the new growth to fit the growth habit you require.

Good luck. It's a surprisingly easier process than it looks, tho. :jointsmile:

greenatik

07-14-2008, 08:16 PM

Rusty Trichome

07-15-2008, 12:58 PM

thanks for the reply rusty!

when i said leave the main cola I meant starting fresh from a clone, and letting it grow about a foot in veg and then bonsai the secondary shoots, leaving just the main, primary shoot.

sorry for the confusion! :stoned:

This is a thread about bonsai techniques...not cloning. They are two separate techniques having virtually nothing to do with each other.
For cloning help, click this: http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/127522-simple-noob-instructions-growin-da-dankness.html#post1577859
and scroll down to post #10. If help is still needed beyond that...please start your own thread.

greenatik

07-15-2008, 08:35 PM

I never said I needed help cloning... Your thread says bonsai downsizing.. I want to downsize my plants by bonsai'ing the secondary shoots and leaving the main stem alone. do you think I could create a single cola plant by bonsai'ing all the shoots coming off the main stem

i am starting fresh with clones, vegging for about a month, then wanting to shape my plants by bonsai'ing all the secondary nodes

Rusty Trichome

07-16-2008, 12:41 AM

Are you growing for an ornamental purpose, or to smoke?
No, IMHO, not a good idea. You'll likely want to remove as much of the bud as possible to convince her it's spring and so she doesn't fight this sudden and dramatic change (and root tampering) with residual fall (flowering) hormones. As I don't do it that way on purpose, you're welcome to try tho, lol. :thumbsup:
The quantity of new shoots on a re-veg varies, but saying you'll get a shitload is fair. Those are cloneable.

As far as bonsai training for the growing shoots, the more you trim, the shorter they tend to grow and the more compact the results. With a sativa dom, you may get away with it. But on a squat indica it may restrict secondary growth a bit much.

Opie Yutts

08-02-2008, 03:45 AM

Thanks for sharing Rusty. Your thread and the one titled "mums" has made me very interested in cutting back many of my moms.

Rusty Trichome

08-02-2008, 01:39 PM

Thanks Opie...For me, this is a great technique. Not one I'll discard any time soon.

The versatility of the downsized re-veg is phenominal, and the ladies love the fresh soil, fresh nutes...Likely not too appreciative of the pedicure and haircut, but thet recover very quickly.
If I had to set-up another small veg room just for the bonsai's, I'd do it. But right now, I am doing fewer seedlings and clones than was necessary before.

I did discover something...but not too sure I know what the implications are...
Early July I had a Shishkaberry on it's second re-veg, and I stressed her a bit with an aspirin tea, (aspirin stressing to promote nanners) Once I got enough pollen, I cut the lady back, trimmed the roots and downsized. I wanted to see what happens when you re-veg a forced hermie.

Any guesses how the (forced hermie) Shishkaberry reacted to re-veg and re-flower?
Well...I kept a close eye on her throughout the flowering process. I just harvested her, and de-constructed (cleaned) the buds. No nanners and not one seed. This is not scientific, and I am not telling anyone out there to try this, but it is an interesting development worth (my) trying again with a couple of different strains and a camera.

Have noticed on the normally studly Shishkaberry (sativa dominant) that after re-veg, the branches are thinner than normal, and do need bamboo stakes to support the budweight. :(

For the most part tho, all the strains I've tried have worked fine. My Potent Purple and my Swazi (both sat's) are fine with the re-vegging process, as are my indica's and indica doms. :thumbsup:

slamnsam

11-05-2008, 12:32 PM

great thrread keep up the good work....

joeiskrunk

11-15-2008, 11:00 PM

ya rusty this thread is bomb... you should post the pictures of the diesel plants in flowering stage.

jessejames12345

12-19-2008, 03:44 AM

Hey Rusty your thread here inspired my first bonsai ! Shes doing good now , took a while to vedge again butg guess I left to many buds on her....

Anyways shes growing into this amazing little bush now with new shoots everywhere. I was thinking of taking a bunch of clones off of her, sticking her in a vedge chamber, and proceding to flower the clones sog style.

BUT now after seeing this amazing new growth, Im tempted to take a FEW clones ...and the flower MOM in a scrog.

Would save at least a week of rooting/clone vedge time I think...

Anyways..how many times have you flowered/chopped/reveged/flowered/ect a single plant...Im just amazed by how resilient our wonderful plnat is !

Rusty Trichome

12-19-2008, 05:33 AM

Great to hear other's having success, too. Truly warms my heart. :thumbsup: Was a technique I read about somewhere, and fell in love with. I was equally impressed with the ammount of new growth.

The most I've done is 7 complete harvests, (twas an indica dom.) and shitloads of clones over that period. I got bored with the same strain all the time, and made room for another. With sativa doms, I've only gone a few complete harvests. Time to finish, and stretching are issues I'm seeking remedies for. Likely a sat dom would be great for sog training during/after re-veg, tho.

Always pick the best performer, with the best attributes of your strain, not just the first one available, lol.

I found that after trimming roots, and re-potting with fresh soil, if I do a mini-flush (equal to volume of pot) and on the last half gallon or so I add 1/2 dilution of humic acid (Soil Syrup) the roots go apeshit, which hastens her new growth.

sccrocks

08-01-2009, 03:29 PM

I am going to crop today, and give the re-veg a try on the 40 i have now. i have lots of room so should be interesting as hell.
Will post after cutting today.

I had the worst spider mite problem I ever seen, just devistated my crop, and i tried everything including a preditor mites but could not control them at all.

Anyway good idea and good Grow. Thanks

Sully

Rusty Trichome

08-01-2009, 03:51 PM

Good luck with 'em. You won't be disappointed, I'm sure. :thumbsup:

Will you have room for 40 plants in flower...or after transplant? If not, could you continue with veg for half of 'em and flower the other half? But it could become a headroom issue in veg, and requires seperate veg and flower rooms.

p.s. It's not my technique, but I do love the results.

fourkicks

08-01-2009, 04:34 PM

thanks for sharing the info Rusty..im gonna try it as well after harvesting pp. should i start off with no grow neuts for a few weeks just like normal too let her re veg a bit..

Rusty Trichome

08-01-2009, 07:15 PM

After I chop, dunk and flush...I resume a normal feeding schedule of a half weekly dose, twice a week. (Monday's and Thursdays for me) They do just fine, but of course keep an eye on 'em.
I would not recommend full doses (one weeks worth at a time) of nutes till re-established. :thumbsup:

I always give half nutes twice a week as a rule from teen-ager to harvest. Less stress in my heat-stressed enviornment, and seems to keep 'em on an even keel.

fourkicks

08-02-2009, 08:35 PM

hay rusty,would you get a decent yeild if you re vegged for a month then flowered it..and can it be done on L.S.Td stems where there bent in weird shapes..

Rusty Trichome

08-02-2009, 11:28 PM

Yes to the first question, but you might want to veg a tad longer if you want taller growth. They tend to stretch half as much, but yield is still there via the multiple growing tips. (cola's)

As to the second question...if there is adequate leafage to promote photosyntheses and growth, it doesn't matter what shape the branches form. Will end-up shorter, fatter and likely pretty stinky anyway, lol.

fourkicks

08-03-2009, 05:15 PM

good to hear that rusty..ill by trying this method..it make so much sense to recycle the plant...

themasta09

09-15-2009, 03:07 PM

Nice rusty after looking at a massive range of ideas to 'keep on growing'
cos i cant get another clone and cant afford to buy seeds, so your bonsai method looks to me to be the best idea for me, cos i still get 95% of the crop whilst still being able to regrow.

Mmmm lovely.
Cheers

fourkicks

09-15-2009, 10:52 PM

Thanks again Rusty for the tips.have a power plant re vegging at the moment.followed your advice and after a shakey start its starting to flourish. some of the leaves are a bit fucked up but thats life.

Rusty Trichome

09-15-2009, 11:20 PM

Regarding the weirded-out growth...I believe it's the plant's way of saying "what the f*** was that...?" Normal growth resumes shortly, with proper nutes and light.

Good job. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: (two thumbs up)

fourkicks

09-16-2009, 05:27 PM

cheers man.its re vegging all the way for me now.saves all the bother with clones.:jointsmile:

Rusty Trichome

09-16-2009, 08:14 PM

Curious...how small is that pot? After she's re-established, you'll need to transplant again to avoid a rootbound condition. Is that the true color of the plant, or are the lights yellowing it out a bit?

I let my mom's grow-out a cycle or two, pulling clones off when needed. Keeps her short, otherwise they'd overgrow my veg closet. :thumbsup:

fourkicks

09-17-2009, 09:26 PM

its hard to see in the pic but its an 11L pot. the leaves off the previous grow are gone hard(like cardboard) and real dark green....but the new shoots are all a nice fresh green colour.they are sprouting out every where. im gonna have to l.s.t the new shoots after another week or two so it will look a bit messy...but fuck it..ill post some pics as it grows man:)

Rusty Trichome

09-17-2009, 11:22 PM

Lol...Okey dokey. :thumbsup:

FilthElement

09-29-2009, 12:47 PM

You da best Rusty. A mate of mine kept insisting it was possible to reveg but I was always skeptikal! But I have a bubblegum that is 3 days away from the chop and I didn't get any clones offa her(She is a clone!) and now that I tested some of her bud she's even better than her predesessor, I must have put more care into her grow!

Now that I have read this I have a glimmer of hope she is totally going to be Bonzai'd!!!

Thanks man much appreciated the post! :stoned:

fourkicks

10-07-2009, 05:19 PM

she is coming along nicley rusty... this pic was from last weekthe first weekof flowering:thumbsup: the pot is prob to small but im squeezed for space man.

fourkicks

12-01-2009, 12:04 AM

ill smoke this in your honour:thumbsup:

Rusty Trichome

12-02-2009, 01:42 PM

Sooo Fourkicks...was it worth the effort...? Looks pretty awesome from here. :thumbsup:

And FilthElement: how'd it go with your BubbleGum?

fourkicks

12-02-2009, 09:54 PM

Sooo Fourkicks...was it worth the effort...? Looks pretty awesome from here. :thumbsup:

And FilthElement: how'd it go with your BubbleGum?

sure was rusty...
it got a bit messy underneath the canopy, so it needed lots of trimming but im happy enough with my first reveg..

not a massive yeild..maybe 25grammes, but nice smoke

santir

12-03-2009, 11:06 PM

Rusty any chance of getting more pictures of your bonsai? I've always liked them. One question tho do you bonsai them to reveg them only or have you kept one as a bonsai for more decorative purposes?

Rusty Trichome

12-03-2009, 11:38 PM

Sorry, camera is down for the count.

I only re-veg a stable lady of top quality (a known performer) for clones and for outright re-vegging. I never grow cannabis for decorative purposes. Since members of our church stop-by on occation, stealth is still a priority. Cannabis still has a stigma in some circles, and best not to rock the boat too much.

fourkicks: Re-veggers are always messy. (in a gooey sort of way) Keeping 'em a bit longer in veg helps stretch 'em a tad prior to re-flowering. I get nearly the same yields as a first-timer, but definatelly a more stout plant after re-veg. I leave the clean-up (trimming) for harvest day simply because the added stress and recovery time can add a week or two to the whole process. When I used to trim-up early in the re-veg process I saw no increase in yield, so I stopped doing it.

redtails

12-07-2009, 04:16 PM

Dang, always thought the root trimming of the bonsai technique was going to kill the plant unless done with surgical precision lol. Gives me hope for the future, now I just need to see if these autoflowering plants will reveg like normal ones...Kudos on the success and may we all be so lucky!

sccrocks

12-12-2009, 03:11 PM

Man this look good. Once you put into flower and take yur buds off, how long before regrowth???

Rusty Trichome

12-12-2009, 03:37 PM

Usually within a week or so you'll start to see fresh vegetative growth.

Micsog

12-30-2009, 04:06 AM

can you just chop,flush,re veg, in same pot

jakester

12-30-2009, 04:59 AM

can you just chop,flush,re veg, in same potYou would probably get root rot and mess the plant up. Most of the roots would be sitting there not active in the respiration/water transfer process. Plus, new soil/room to grow into is a must.

You don't want to leave too many bud sites on your revegged plant because it makes way too many branches. Don't leave too many branches on it or you get nothing but tiny buds like these. This is after removing about 60 (!) branches.

Rusty Trichome

12-30-2009, 02:00 PM

Couldn't have said it better. :thumbsup:

Nice re-veg. Stinky and sticky...?

jakester

12-30-2009, 05:50 PM

Couldn't have said it better. :thumbsup:

Nice re-veg. Stinky and sticky...?Oh geez yeah. That little lady produced about half her original weight but it was definitely tastier and great medicine. I love me some Snowcap.

I can't imagine what would happen if I hadn't trimmed it like mad.

Does anyone have any superbush reveg pics to share? I will try it sometime just for an experiment.

Micsog

12-31-2009, 12:08 AM

cool 'll just pop her and chop her and use new soil thanks!
mines called cape-ers = pk X thai it's my buddies strain
oh yeah SNOWCAP IS THE SHE - ITE!

Skihigh

01-19-2010, 05:55 PM

What's the easiest way (safest way) to cut the rootball? What's the best tool and technique? I'm sure that some finesse must be used to make the root trimming successful.
I'm going to be trying it in a day or two...already have the plant trimmed
of all bud and female lookin' parts and the lights back to 18/6. I'm just kinda 'fraid to hack the roots up!
When I harvested my last grow, I left all the small buds and left the lights at 12/12 for a couple more months with no repot and collected about 2/3 as much finished bud at the 2nd cutting...Pretty good bud too!
Anyway... Thanks!!!.....J

Rusty Trichome

01-20-2010, 01:30 PM

For starters, let the soil dry a tad before pulling it out of the pot. Wet soil falls-apart, making this process more difficult and damaging.

I remove rootball from pot, and sit it on the floor. Then I slice straight down through the roots with a sharp knife, keeping in mind the size of the pot it will go into. Four of these cuts, and you'll end-up with a milk-carton (half gallon) shaped rootball when done. Tip it over on it's side, and cut bottom off the rootball so it doesn't stick out too high from it's new home. Add fresh soil around the spaces in the new pot, but don't pack it in too tightly, Flush well, and resume growth nutes. Keep it in this pot for a minimum of two or three weeks till fresh growth starts...then transplant to the next size larger pot. :thumbsup:

(do not let the freshly-cut roots dry-out. This should take you about 1 minute from start to end once you get the hang of it)

Skihigh

01-20-2010, 07:45 PM

Hey Rusty...Just got thru downsizing the rootball...Thanks a whole bunch for your instruction!
I'm gonna start a thread over at grow log and we'll see how it goes...Thanks again!

Shovelhandle

01-20-2010, 07:53 PM

Just a 'Howdy", Rusty. :)

Rusty Trichome

01-22-2010, 06:12 PM

"Howdy" back at ya, Shovelhandle. :jointsmile:

Also, I forgot to mention that immediatelly after I cut the root ball down to size, I sprayed the root ball with ph'd water, and sprinkled some rooting hormone on the roots before re-potting. Not sure it was a good idea, or a bad idea.

Ammendment: Rooting hormone promotes roots in unrooted stock. Not necessary to apply to roots that already exist. :thumbsup:

Skihigh

01-22-2010, 10:19 PM

:thumbsup: Kinda-sorta ripped right now.
I had a question or a response.
........But I can't remember..................:stoned:

LetsSeeYa

02-28-2010, 11:51 PM

Hey Rusty are ya still around here? I want to bonsai my plants to put them outside and hopfully grow them out there. Think it can be done? I saw a thread some place where a guy re vegged outside and grew a huge bush. I wanna give it a try:thumbsup:

:rasta:

Rusty Trichome

03-01-2010, 12:05 PM

The sun can be awfully cruel and unforgiving. Might be better to start the process indoors till new growth starts showing. Other than that, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

KillerBudG

03-05-2010, 09:57 AM

Hey rusty hows it going Bud?:joint1: I have a PPP that i had from clone I did some lst on it and probally had like 7 or 8 main bud sites. I then put it into flower for about 8-12 days, Then i put it back under veg. It has been about 8-10 days and now its shooting out alot of new sites. Now my question is how many of these new shoots should I remove, an leave on the original sites? as i dont wanna leave to many and lose out on yield. I plan to try and take at least 15-20 cuts off this lady but might still have more shoots then needed. What do you think, and can i pull a decent yield with only 2 more weeks of veg? I got it in a 1 gal. pot right now and plan to go to a 3 gal. bag for flower.

~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Rusty Trichome

03-05-2010, 01:24 PM

If you want to keep her as a mom, I wouldn't take more than half of the shoots at a time (stress) with at least a week of recovery time before taking the next group. Any shoot over 4-5 inches long is fair game for the clone dome. (or whatever method you use)

With sativa dominates, I take shoots from the outer perimeter, for indica dom's I take from the center. It's a growth-habit and space-available based removal decision. (whichever fits your needs)

Give mom a couple of weeks healing before returning her to flower, and limit number of times you prematurely pull her out of flower. If she's mature enough to show preflowers, she's old enough to hermie.
Best not to flip them back and forth too often and too quickly.

Any pictures?

KillerBudG

03-06-2010, 02:25 AM

Sorry, I dont have a camera at the time. If I can use a buddies I will defiantly get some up. :thumbsup:

~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

LetsSeeYa

03-06-2010, 06:52 PM

The sun can be awfully cruel and unforgiving. Might be better to start the process indoors till new growth starts showing. Other than that, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Yeah Rusty thats the plan. I want to get most of the buds off, because they are still growing. I have harvested 3 times on all of my plants, but now the buds are getting smaller, but could be due to root bound plants. So, il take what i can cook, then cut down some branches. I want to leave a few small buds for the branch growth. After everything is cut and re potted, i plan to veg for 2 months, then get them sun friendly. After there used to the sun i think i can plant in a few bags of good soil in the ground and i hoping for the giant bush like iv seen before:rasta:

dexter68

03-15-2010, 12:44 PM

Do u know how and could u let me know how to make a yeast co2 device?havnt figured out how 2 send a direct message, so i had to find ya on here.got 5 iranian autos doing very nice havent used co2 at all unless naturally accuring.all girls sitting at 15 inches.do u have or know the yeast recipe?Also, at this stage do u believe the co2 is a good idea?

Rusty Trichome

03-15-2010, 12:58 PM

I've often thought about CO2, but not enough to make the time/cash investment. I have found it unnecessary, but if you absolutely have to spend time/money, I hear it might help. Use proper precautions if you do go that route. But if you keep fresh air circulating, additional CO2 is unnecessary in a medical garden, in my honest opinion.

Aren't you afraid of raising your "carbon footprint"?
Anyone ever notice that the alarmists in here never mention the evils of a growroom supplimented with CO2, but will get quite anal if you call their carbon-based religion bullshit?

KillerBudG

03-16-2010, 07:40 AM

Lmao Rusty, Just curious about something tho, Is it possible to root more than 1 clone in a cup? If you can how many would you limit it to? And if I was gonna take a Reveg plant from a 1gal. pot to a 5 gal. pot how long should i do it before flower? 2 weeks..?:wtf:

~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

dexter68

03-16-2010, 09:25 AM

Thanks 4 the info RT.IM now feeling that the need 4 co2 is not strong.IAm new 2 this but so far successful.Ive got 6 Iranian Autoflowers I.S.F. Ive got 4 in veg / pre-flower,and 2 wich are around a week from harvest.The 4 in veg/ pre flower are under a 90 watt U.F.O. L.E.D.and 2 are at 15 inches,and other two sitting at 12.Ive got my other / first ones flowerd budding in an Phototron which is really pumping up the volume ,even though i overtrimmed the poor girls.Ive not trimmed anything off the other4 exept the very lower limbs.Thats why i was in belief of having 2 havs a co2 setup, but im riding with u on my need4 it.Im using fans ,and temp never above 75 or 80.If it aint broke dont fix it.Right?I
know u know what you doing because of all the skill u have posted.When i can lay hands on camera ill let my girls shine.

Rusty Trichome

03-16-2010, 11:27 AM

Lmao Rusty, Just curious about something tho, Is it possible to root more than 1 clone in a cup? If you can how many would you limit it to? One pot, one plant. The roots tangle and compete.

And if I was gonna take a Reveg plant from a 1gal. pot to a 5 gal. pot how long should i do it before flower? 2 weeks..? A lot depends on how she's handling the re-veg process, and how much new growth she's showing. (is she healthy, or is she struggling?)
A week or so should be fine. Might even want to put her in a 2 or 3 gallon pot first, then transplant into the 5er a couple of weeks into flower.

If it aint broke dont fix it.Right?My sentiments exactly. :thumbsup: For a beginner, I'd recommend learning how to grow before learning to maximize your grow.

When i can lay hands on camera ill let my girls shine. Will look for your growlog. Good luck with 'em. :jointsmile:

KillerBudG

03-17-2010, 06:57 AM

[quote=Rusty Trichome]One pot, one plant. The roots tangle and compete.

A lot depends on how she's handling the re-veg process, and how much new growth she's showing. (is she healthy, or is she struggling?)
A week or so should be fine. Might even want to put her in a 2 or 3 gallon pot first, then transplant into the 5er a couple of weeks into flower./QUOTE]

I know they tangle and compete. But im using pete to root in, and am low on pots/containers ATM. Was courious if I can pull off few clones in 1 pot each until I get more. But I know what you are saying and I should go the safe way.

She is taking to the reveg well, Loads of new growth, I think it actually slowed down an needs to see a repot. I only have a 2 gal. then a 5. so I should go to the 2 gal. then to the 5. Just thought that it might be better to skip the 2 ga. but ill repot up later today.

I will try to get a pic up to, I know I say it alot, so ill have to try and get 1 up so No one thinks I'm full of B/s..

Thanx Rusty, you been a lot of help since I started doing my own thing :weedpoke: :chainsaw: :baggy: :S5:

~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Rusty Trichome

03-17-2010, 03:07 PM

Sounds like you're doing fine. :thumbsup:

Once they start showing new growth, full strength nutes and check roots a couple times a week for issues. (rootbound)

I like to repot in smaller steps mainly because the re-vegged adult pumps out roots so quick, you'll start seeing rootbound issues half way through flower.

Final trim to shape her a week or more prior to switching to flower. (allow recovery time)

My bad...I should have added "strangle" to the "tangle and compete" statement.

KillerBudG

04-01-2010, 06:23 AM

Hey Rusty, The reveg/bush is doing great wish I could take some pictures. I was reading threw this thread and came across a post, that say not to leave a lot of shoots on your plant or the yield wont be much.

Now with proper shoot spacing would it really matter how many shoots you have.

I am waiting until they root-bound up in the 2 gal. to switch it to the 5gal then flip it to flower. I am unsure if I can leave all the shoots and just space them out to get decent light like a scrog bush without the screen tho. I will be flowering under a 600w.:jointsmile:

~One~:rastasmoke:
~BudG~:rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Rusty Trichome

04-01-2010, 12:55 PM

If you are re-vegging and returning to flower asap, I wouldn't transplant into final container till the last minute, as a large re-veg will pump-out the roots, and you can run-out of rootspace late in flower. (did you trim the roots when returning to veg?)

If you are keeping her for clones, keep in mind, if they get too rootbound you can trim healthy roots and return to the veg closet for healing . As long as she has a couple of recovery weeks before returning her to flower. Never trim roots when in flower.

Airflow is a concern, as is leaf-irritation. Not real big problems, but cannabis needs the airflow, and the tighter-packed the shoots, the more the leaves and branches will irritate (do minor damage to) each other. Usually when I take clones from a re-veg, I'll shape her for optimal branch spacing.

Which is "better"...6 growing tips at 4" each, or one cola at 8"? I'm guessing once you get to knbow your strain, you would be the one to answer that. On re-veggers I leave 4-8 growing tips, depending on strain and physical attributes of the plant. (I play it by ear)

I used these 'nudgers' for a while to help shape the canopy:
push-me-pull-you's (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/140716-lsttt-low-stress-twisty-tie-training-4.html#post1781901)

Rusty Trichome

04-01-2010, 01:33 PM

Here's a Lemon Skunk re-veg. Just switched to 12/12, (first week) and she's about 28 inches tall right now. Will likely put her in a 15 gallon pot sometime this week.
The plant in the plexiglass is a Swazi male. (collecting pollen)
A PokerFace x Inca Spirit x Diesel cross re-veg in background. (can't really see it though)
Juvenile Swazi Skunk and some juvenile Northern Lights (the original N.L. strain) being sexed in background.

superskunk1

04-01-2010, 02:10 PM

Looking real nice rusty :thumbsup:

I would like to try out a bonsai with one of my ladies but Im guessing they have to be a strong enough strain to handle the stress it will go through.

Will have to look up your threads on this, thanks for sharing :jointsmile:

Rusty Trichome

04-01-2010, 02:25 PM

Thanks. I appreciate the compliment. :thumbsup:

Best to grow a healthy strain to begin with. Most would be amazed at how easy this is, but many who try it for the first time get frustrated when the sub par bagseed they try with doesn't work-out. In my book, it's worth a try with any strain but autoflowers. I've never even grown a full autoflower, so am not sure how that would work. :jointsmile:

superskunk1

04-01-2010, 02:37 PM

Sounds good would like to keep this bagseed going it has been the most vigorously growing lady I have. But time will tell...

"must spread rep before giving it to blah blah" I tried

LetsSeeYa

04-07-2010, 05:11 PM

Well Rusty iv read this thread 3 or 4 times and think iv done everything correct. My problem was i had no leaves to work with, so i left a few small buds near the bottom. Plus my lights fell sometime over night and burned them some. Now one plant is really important, because its NL#5 and was great smoke, with a perfect pain killer. It is the one in the yellow butter container.

But i took them out of their pots and cut each side and a bit off the bottoms, then filled in the bottom and sides with fresh soil. I am planning on putting them outside in the ground, so the more branch growth the better. So i thought id post a pic so you can advise please. I have pruned a lot, but should i take the branches that look like there is no way i will get growth, or just let nature take its course. I was thinking it would only stress it more. Its been 3 weeks an 1 day from the re pot in this pic. Also, this pic was taken with a good camera, so you can zoom pretty well to get a look at it, but the yellow pot is most important. I hope to get a clone or two also for the outdoor this year. I also have a few seeds getting ready as you can see. They were a gift an all feminized, so i cant wait because they are a mixed batch of white widow, wrecked homicide to diesel and some combination there of. Just not sure whats what, but thats all good cuz im thinking there is a few people that could identify them as a adult.

Anything you could advise would be great Rusty. Oh and i started FF grow 2 weeks after the re pot. Thanks for any advise my man Rusty:thumbsup:

:rasta:

LetsSeeYa

04-07-2010, 05:28 PM

Oh Rusty i was wondering where i might find that lemon skunk? I would bet its great man. Or, is this something you created? Sorry, i meant to ask above but im doing 10 things at once here:hippy:

:rasta:

StickyBuds1987

04-07-2010, 07:41 PM

mmmm lemon skunk that sounds fire :jointsmile::thumbsup:

Rusty Trichome

04-07-2010, 07:47 PM

Well Rusty iv read this thread 3 or 4 times and think iv done everything correct. My problem was i had no leaves to work with, so i left a few small buds near the bottom. Plus my lights fell sometime over night and burned them some.
<doh> Likely best not to make dropping the lights a habit.

But i took them out of their pots and cut each side and a bit off the bottoms, then filled in the bottom and sides with fresh soil. I am planning on putting them outside in the ground, so the more branch growth the better. So i thought id post a pic so you can advise please.
Looking good so far. If putting outdoors later, would get them into as large of containers as you can before setting them out. (going in the ground, not in pots, right?)

I have pruned a lot, but should i take the branches that look like there is no way i will get growth, or just let nature take its course. I was thinking it would only stress it more. Its been 3 weeks an 1 day from the re pot in this pic. Also, this pic was taken with a good camera, so you can zoom pretty well to get a look at it, but the yellow pot is most important.
Wouldn't keep trimming, (more stress) but use each plant as a learning experience for next time. I don't leave that much stem, but I can think of no good reasons other than I have a height restriction oin my growth closet. Otherwise two weeks into re-veg, I'm getting too tall.
As long as there's some green from foliage, there should be no problem. I orefer stripping the buddage off and keeping the lower leaves, but on sativa's sometimes there's nothing usable there. Buds work though, just a slower process.

Just not sure whats what, but thats all good cuz im thinking there is a few people that could identify them as a adult. Usually not, but if compared side-by-side someone could likely give an opinion...

Anything you could advise would be great Rusty. Oh and i started FF grow 2 weeks after the re pot. Thanks for any advise my man Rusty:thumbsup:
:rasta:
Keep on keeping on. :thumbsup: Keeping a fan or at least getting the air to circulate? Seedlings look a tad warm and overwatered, but that might be the soil. Other than that...doing fine so far. You could gently dig-out that second seedling with a spoon, and give it it's own cup though. Looks like you culd use some perlite in the soil, too.

Oh Rusty i was wondering where i might find that lemon skunk? I would bet its great man. Or, is this something you created? Sorry, i meant to ask above but im doing 10 things at once here :hippy:
A friend got the beans from a local grower. I believe it's a pre-Trainwreck strain of the same basic lineage as TW, but really impossible to tell any more. :thumbsup:

LetsSeeYa

04-07-2010, 10:52 PM

<doh> Likely best not to make dropping the lights a habit.[QUOTE]

Yeah i know, it was the first time i didnt take a peek since they fell when i was just getting started. And they had to fall, man![QUOTE]
Looking good so far. If putting outdoors later, would get them into as large of containers as you can before setting them out. (going in the ground, not in pots, right?)[QUOTE/]

Yes in the ground. Its been 22 days from taking the plants out of their pots and cutting sides and bottom, then replaced with fresh soil. I thought i would re pot again at the end of the month and start getting them used to the sun for 2 weeks, then plant as deep as i can, in hope that some growth will grow roots for me.

[QUOTE]Wouldn't keep trimming, (more stress) but use each plant as a learning experience for next time. I don't leave that much stem, but I can think of no good reasons other than I have a height restriction oin my growth closet. Otherwise two weeks into re-veg, I'm getting too tall.
As long as there's some green from foliage, there should be no problem. I orefer stripping the buddage off and keeping the lower leaves, but on sativa's sometimes there's nothing usable there. Buds work though, just a slower process.

Usually not, but if compared side-by-side someone could likely give an opinion...[QUOTE]

Well thats what i thought you would say. Plus i have a ton of room indoors and when the go out, well the more growth the better i thought. I was gifted these from a guy that works well with cardboard, i think ya might know him. Im thinking he might be able to help identify them, plus some of them are the WH that others are growing here. Thats why i thought its possible, im not one to say ''anyone know this stain'', as its narrowed a bit.

[QUOTE]Keep on keeping on. :thumbsup: Keeping a fan or at least getting the air to circulate? Seedlings look a tad warm and overwatered, but that might be the soil. Other than that...doing fine so far. You could gently dig-out that second seedling with a spoon, and give it it's own cup though. Looks like you culd use some perlite in the soil, too.[QUOTE]

Well i had my seeds in a box and i think it got a bit hot, so i had moved them 3 days ago where my lights are all set up. And they were watered right before the pic was taken, but they are doing much better now. But yes i do need a fan on them cuz im using it to keep this plant in this box cooled down.
And yeah that seed rolled in the peat cup so il dig er out soon:hippy:

[QUOTE]A friend got the beans from a local grower. I believe it's a pre-Trainwreck strain of the same basic lineage as TW, but really impossible to tell any more. :thumbsup:[QUOTE]

Wow it might be nice if i can figure out the TW an cross it with my Skunk#1.

My thread will be up soon Rusty, so dont be a stranger man. Thanks for the advise, big time:thumbsup: Your always here for help and its much appreciated and i really want you to know that:hippy:

Keeper Green man :weedpoke:

One day il learn to multi post:wtf: Not sure where i went wrong:wtf:
:rasta:

redtails

04-08-2010, 12:19 AM

You just use <quote> </quote> tags around what you want to quote, but using square brackets of course. Good luck, I'm going to try my first reveg here in a week or so.

Rusty Trichome

04-08-2010, 05:33 PM

My thread will be up soon Rusty, so dont be a stranger man. Thanks for the advise, big time:thumbsup: Your always here for help and its much appreciated and i really want you to know that:hippy:[/B]

Keeper Green man :weedpoke:

One day il learn to multi post:wtf: Not sure where i went wrong:wtf:
:rasta:Provide a link, I'll say "hi". :thumbsup:

Gotta keep your open quote tags and close quote tags surrounding the text you want quoted. If you want the author of the text mentioned specifically, you'll use the same 'refrenced - open quote' tag for the beginning of each quote-box. (if more than one) Which will look something like : [quote=LetsSeeYa]
You get that tag by starting from the thread you want to quote, and hit "quote" instead of reply. In the Respond to Thread page, you'll see the quote tags (beginning the quoted text) and close quote tags. Copy-n-paste those where needed, delete stuff that's not relevant, and check results using preview post.

So what you'd see on the form is [quote=LetsSeeYa] blah, blah, blah...and the standard close-quote tag, with your text added after that.

Did that help...? The more I read it the more I'm unsure of it's clarity, lol.

LetsSeeYa

04-08-2010, 08:43 PM

Provide a link, I'll say "hi". :thumbsup:

Thanks Rusty:hippy:

You get that tag by starting from the thread you want to quote, and hit "quote" instead of reply. In the Respond to Thread page, you'll see the quote tags (beginning the quoted text) and close quote tags. Copy-n-paste those where needed, delete stuff that's not relevant, and check results using preview post..

Ok il try it.

blah, blah, blah...and the standard close-quote tag, with your text added after that

Here we go...............

[QUOTE=Did that help...? The more I read it the more I'm unsure of it's clarity, lol[/QUOTE]

Man a person can learn a lot in here:thumbsup:Well i understand now, but this last quote i did the same as the others and its not working. Maybe someone can see how i messed it up in the end, so i can practice someplace other then Rusty's awesome thread. I know its not a computer thread, but thanks for all the help Rusty, the new thread will be in my sig soon:rasta:

Rusty Trichome

04-08-2010, 11:26 PM

Thanks Rusty:hippy:

Gotta keep your open quote tags and close quote tags surrounding the text you want quoted. If you want the author of the text mentioned specifically, you'll use the same 'refrenced - open quote' tag for the beginning of each quote-box. (if more than one) Which will look something like :

Ok il try it.

[QUOTE] So what you'd see on the form is

Here we go...............

Man a person can learn a lot in here:thumbsup:Well i understand now, but this last quote i did the same as the others and its not working. Maybe someone can see how i messed it up in the end, so i can practice someplace other then Rusty's awesome thread. I know its not a computer thread, but thanks for all the help Rusty, the new thread will be in my sig soon:rasta:

You were missing some brackets. ( ] ) If just grabbing the quote, no need for the other bullshit, just hand-do the [Quote] tag and the close quote tag, then copy-n-paste as needed. All the other stuff in the personalized quote is to identify the original poster and the thread it came from. :jointsmile:

This thread has likely run it's course...but I appreciate ya noticing the infraction, lol.

Bongojaz

04-18-2010, 10:19 PM

If this is a repeatable process, and can be used with other strains, it can save about 3 to 4 weeks of veg time. (or add 3 to 4 weeks to maturity before flowering)
when you say you can save 3 to 4 weeks of veg time, it made me wonder about your veg regimen/lighting. i rarely veg over a month. once they reach or are close to 12" i throw the into flower. so far a very interesting post, kudos.

xxMrGreenThumbx

05-18-2010, 06:01 PM

hi mr rusty how u doin.. Ur plants luk realy nice. U realy r a pro.. I woz wonderin if u cn look at my thread in the lighting section and give any advice on the ladys? Bout pruning.. Increase in yield and dat.. thank u very much mate.. X

xxMrGreenThumbx

05-20-2010, 06:58 PM

hi mate sorry i didnt reply earlier.. yeh i got a hygrometre and everytym i water em it gets alot more humidity in there... got the extractor fan working over tym.. yeh i dnt seem to having a problem with the potting mix being more acidic..its still akalie on the ph metre..and i dipped the ph meter in vinegar and it went over to the acid side.. so i dnno? i wud transplant but its gunna be four weeks flower this sat... and i shot my self in the foot... i made the door on the box to little to fit a good size pot in there..

the water ph seeem to be about 6.5 wen i stuck the meter in there.. but like u sed before i shud get a better ph meter.... hows ur grow going?