What Presidential Candidate do you think will best protect our MMJ once in office?

[Justonevoice]

I have seen just about every Democrat come out and say that they will not allow the DEA to continue on the path that they have been on here in California. I am just curious as to what candidate everyone thinks will be the one to make a difference for us. Please do not answer the obvious Ron Paul.

[Enemy of Real1ty]

id say half the demos would make a half assed attempt at getting the dea to lay off MMj users.

[Justonevoice]

^^^^^ Pretty much my thinking!

[GrinS]

Ron Paul
(none of the dems would do anything, besides barack(still probably wont)

dems are all talk

[8182KSKUSH]

Mike Gravel was probably the dems best bet, I think assuming that any of the other candidates would make a "half assed" attempt is assuming alot. They know that they can just make an empty promise to the constituants that support MMJ, because most of them are un-informed much like any other cross section of America, and most of them generally vote democrat if and when they vote. Not to mention the fact that most of them won't even remember what any of these candidates said in or before the primaries.

[BUDSHOTS]

:stoned:Is it just me...or does Mr. obama sound like dave chappell doing a white person imitation.....

[ajaday]

not just you :D

[Mississippi Steve]

The president can't *DO* anything bout it.....it has to come down from the DEA and Surgen General......even Congress can't *DO* anything about it. The DEA and Surgen General have to change its classification catagory.

[LeetCraig]

Ron Paul
(none of the dems would do anything, besides barack(still probably wont)

dems are all talk

I agree... the Libertarian party isn't against marijuana at all.

[BUDSHOTS]

uuuuhhh did hillary look like a raving BITCH the other night....I THINK SHE WILL PAY BACK BILL...i am comming in the OVAL OFFICE! part 2:wtf:

[psteve]

Richardson.

[Markass]

Mike Gravel was probably the dems best bet, I think assuming that any of the other candidates would make a "half assed" attempt is assuming alot. They know that they can just make an empty promise to the constituants that support MMJ, because most of them are un-informed much like any other cross section of America, and most of them generally vote democrat if and when they vote. Not to mention the fact that most of them won't even remember what any of these candidates said in or before the primaries.

seems you haven't done your research...


The Bill Richardson File - SantaFeNewMexican.com (http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/58689.html)

Richardson Tells Voters: ââ?¬Ë?The War on Drugs Is Not Workingââ?¬â?¢ | Send The Right Message! (http://sendtherightmessage.com/richardson_tells_voters_war_drugs_not_working)

Bill Richardson is good for the democratic side...Apparently he doesn't have much contributions coming from big pharm..

[rebgirl420]

I don't believe that any of them could do a damn thing. Yes, I like Ron Paul too (b/c of his Libertarian values of small government and personal freedoms) however even if he was voted in he'd have one hell of a time fighting congress and everyone else. The checks and balances would tear him apart.





And thats sad.

[Pepper]

I'm going to the Ron Paul Meet-up in Greensburg tonight. Maybe we can all trade cuttings afterwards.

[Mississippi Steve]

uuuuhhh did hillary look like a raving BITCH the other night....I THINK SHE WILL PAY BACK BILL...i am comming in the OVAL OFFICE! part 2:wtf:

Bill came in the oval office....repeatedly...just ask Monica. Hillary just wants her tur with the interns.

[8182KSKUSH]

The president can't *DO* anything bout it.....it has to come down from the DEA and Surgen General......even Congress can't *DO* anything about it. The DEA and Surgen General have to change its classification catagory.

And finally someone that is making sense! Thank you Steve.

And by the way, just because I don't think Richardson would be the "best" doesn't indicate a lack of research. As far as I know Richardson is not for "decriminalization". I think if you did some research you may amaze yourself. The meer fact that any candidate says they will or will not make the DEA do something shows some insincerity in the answer, and it also is insulting to your intelligence if you believe it. It needs to be re-scheduled from where it is now, a Schedule 1 considered in the same regard as heroin. Until that happens nothing will change on the federal level.

[GoodBush]

Ron Paul is the only choice. There's no longer Dem/Rep parties, it's a fabricated. Ron Paul is THE only choice. If we do not get this man into office, then we keep seeing the DEA raids on us!
Vote Ron Paul if you really wanna legalize it.
Watch this though
YouTube - Ron Paul on Medical Marijuana (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frWE3shyVz0&eurl=http://infowars.net/articles/january2008/100108Marijuana.htm)

[Mississippi Steve]

I Should add we had the same kind of thing here in the past year. We had a general Election. As it turned out we got a couple of green's into power,,before the election
these said assholes promised to decrim or at least look into Cannabis. Then they won
their preasious seats theyve turned there backs on us.....Now no such talk..Power corrupts
my friends

Drought

You just don't get it..... NO ELECTED OFFICIAL CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT LEGALIZING WEED.

It can *ONLY* be done by the DEA and the Surgen general.... THEY have to change its classification or remove it from the list.

Please do a little homework

[angry nomad]

I have seen just about every Democrat come out and say that they will not allow the DEA to continue on the path that they have been on here in California. I am just curious as to what candidate everyone thinks will be the one to make a difference for us. Please do not answer the obvious Ron Paul.

Why anyone but Ron Paul?

[angry nomad]

You just don't get it..... NO ELECTED OFFICIAL CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT LEGALIZING WEED.

It can *ONLY* be done by the DEA and the Surgen general.... THEY have to change its classification or remove it from the list.

Please do a little homework

Of course elected officials can. Congress are the lawmakers, our state and federal congress can repeal laws also.

The DEA and Surgeon General do not make laws, so how could they change them?

[Mississippi Steve]

Of course elected officials can. Congress are the lawmakers, our state and federal congress can repeal laws also.

The DEA and Surgeon General do not make laws, so how could they change them?

<sigh> Like I said.... do your homework. Go back to about 1963 when Coke, Heroin, MJ and a bunch of other "street" drugs were classified as having *no medicinal value* and no more research could be done on them. The classification system was set up so that individual drugs could have their classification changed without literally requiring an act of congress.

The DEA and Surgen General have to change the clasification of MJ *BEFORE* it can be legalized.

[Zcomp]

Yes I know exactly what your talking about steve.
I think though, the pres could order an investigation into why our own SG isn't listening to the recommendations they've received. I don't have my home work in front of me but, didn't the AMA or one of those already recommend marijuana does in-fact have medicinal value and also does not have the addiction risk level specifically listed with the level of classification currently applied?
It currently states that marijuana has a "high probability for addiction and high level of withdrawal symptoms.
Also, I think its the FDA not the DEA that has to approve it. I believe the SG is the one who has to ask.

[Mississippi Steve]

Yes I know exactly what your talking about steve.
I think though, the pres could order an investigation into why our own SG isn't listening to the recommendations they've received. I don't have my home work in front of me but, didn't the AMA or one of those already recommend marijuana does in-fact have medicinal value and also does not have the addiction risk level specifically listed with the level of classification currently applied?
It currently states that marijuana has a "high probability for addiction and high level of withdrawal symptoms.
Also, I think its the FDA not the DEA that has to approve it. I believe the SG is the one who has to ask.


Your correct... it is the FDA..... I just couldn't spell it right :D

[SFGurrilla]

I don't believe that any of them could do a damn thing. Yes, I like Ron Paul too (b/c of his Libertarian values of small government and personal freedoms) however even if he was voted in he'd have one hell of a time fighting congress and everyone else. The checks and balances would tear him apart.





And thats sad.

Welcome to America. Theres always a higher power. ;)

[StOnEdMoNk]

i heard hillary if shes elected is gonna has a big hippy museum built i mean it was an era in life so why not if shes elected im sure she wont care about weed and help to make it legal not voting for her tho but shes leading isnt she but ide say ron paul even tho u said not to haha

[GrinS]

Mississippi Steve calm down a bit and read what Land of Drought was saying, the SG and FDA doesnt have anything to do with Ireland policies... it amazes me how many people dont read.. and just type.

[godofganga]

none they are all ball-less...f-ing politicians

[ajaday]

I don't believe that any of them could do a damn thing. Yes, I like Ron Paul too (b/c of his Libertarian values of small government and personal freedoms) however even if he was voted in he'd have one hell of a time fighting congress and everyone else. The checks and balances would tear him apart.





And thats sad.
actually, the executive branch is solely responsible for enforcing the laws made by congress or the interpretation of the courts. congress can pass whatever law it wants, but as long as the president so demands, no enforcement of that law can be done, making it useless. ron paul could (and has said he would) waltz in there as president, wave his hands, and instantly "legalize" drugs and pardon all drug offenders, etc.

[hatenme]

i don't think any of them will do anything, I think there are just saying it to get more votes..

[John Doe]

i don't think any of them will do anything, I think there are just saying it to get more votes..

Good point...
But I think Id still go with some one who is at least SAYING they are gonna do things to make us any closer to legalized or even decrinalize more...

[wickerbill]

The best candidate who will protect mmj as well as the best overall candidate for the nation in my opinion, is the one who will, the way the trend has become, never be able to run. These days you must be a multi-millionaire or take millions from "special interests" & corporations with expectations of of access and returned favors to become president.The best & brightest cannot afford to run or will not run because they won't sell out.

[Jay Matix]

Ron Paul

[Zcomp]

The best candidate who will protect mmj as well as the best overall candidate for the nation in my opinion, is the one who will, the way the trend has become, never be able to run. These days you must be a multi-millionaire or take millions from "special interests" & corporations with expectations of of access and returned favors to become president.The best & brightest cannot afford to run or will not run because they won't sell out.

I disagree friend, Ron Paul defies each of your constraints this minute. 2nd in nevada hmmm. little harder to rig all those machines.
In my opinion, We should just come to the conclusion that "we the people" outnumber and outrank those placed in government to SERVE US, With that knowledge in hand we could theoretically be "FREE".

[8182KSKUSH]

I disagree friend, Ron Paul defies each of your constraints this minute. 2nd in nevada hmmm. little harder to rig all those machines.

Yeah that was quite a feat!
2nd in a 2 man race in a state where he may have more support than anywhere else in the nation? That is not good, especially when you take into account that he got his ass handed to him and it wasn't even close. I admire your enthusiasm but seriousely the people have obviously spoken time and time again, Ron Paul will never have the support he needs for many many reasons, the results speak for themselves. If you don't believe me then just wait and see, I will bet anyone anything that Ron Paul will not only NOT be the nominee but he will not be president either. Any takers?:cool:

[Zcomp]

Well I'm in Louisiana and From my view, I believe he has this state. Early projections have him in a far lead here. Also, there was very much news about the "confusion of the delegate process", This means only one thing, Lots and lots of new delegates and caucusers. I wonder where all these new and young(and apparently confused) delegates came from???? Oh yeah, Grassroots. Louisiana is one of the grass root states due to its delegate process involving just average registered voters.

[HerbalConfusion]

Mississippi Steve calm down a bit and read what Land of Drought was saying, the SG and FDA doesnt have anything to do with Ireland policies... it amazes me how many people dont read.. and just type.

Not only that he was an asshole about it.

[angry nomad]

<sigh> Like I said.... do your homework. Go back to about 1963 when Coke, Heroin, MJ and a bunch of other "street" drugs were classified as having *no medicinal value* and no more research could be done on them. The classification system was set up so that individual drugs could have their classification changed without literally requiring an act of congress.

The DEA and Surgen General have to change the clasification of MJ *BEFORE* it can be legalized.

Just because a government agency acts outside of its bounds, it doesn't make it legal. Judges at state and federal levels have basically created laws, and so has the president.

Many unelected government and non-congressional agencies in the past and right now, have created and are creating laws, this I concede. This is completely unconstitutional. There is no where in the constitution that allows for this. But, We The People do not need to rely on judges, governors, presidents, the DEA, BATF, or IRS to reverse these unconstitutional laws, only our state and U.S. congresses.

[M.B.A.]

if any of the dems was to back our rights it'd be the black guy, cuz the woman is already scared of the "race issue", if I were a politician I would back up our rights, as there are approx. 160million people in the world that use cannabis daily, I bet a nice chunk of that 160million lives in the U.S., there go The voters to back you right there

[gocryemokid]

I agree... the Libertarian party isn't against marijuana at all.

THis is true, the Libertarian party is one that advocates personal freedom, allowing the individual to make their own choices. Does that not seem like the way it should be ? It's too bad we've been conditioned to believe that we need the government to make these decisions for us :wtf:

[thecurious1]

The topic of cannabis and the "War on Drugs" has taken a back seat to immigration, universal health care, terrorism, and Iraq.

(Ironically, the money spent on the war on drugs could easily be spent for health care and security issues in the US)

I use to be very optimistic but now ... I think BOTH sides of the argument are gaining no ground. The government continues to spend billions of dollars on something that will NEVER change, while the supporters don't convince enough people to support the cause ... thus, the laws remain.

The cannabis movement would need a very popular and vocal person to create "buzz" about the issue in order for changes to take place IMHO. If "no one" is talking about it ... then "no one" cares about the issue. Out of sight ... out of mind.

Ron Paul would be a huge step however. But he's not going to win the Republican vote ... let alone make it to the White House. Even then, there would be a lot of people in Congress to fight off.

[SpaceWarp]

Kucinich was far and away the best candidate, but he did not get the respect and coverage he deserved, and my fellow dumbass conutrymen just wouldn't vote for him. So he dropped out. Like I saw someone say in another forum, popularity in the US is inversely related to quality. How true! That guy was a genius! Whether in politics or real life, this is so true. First, social popularity. Popular women tend to be airhead bimbo flakes, and popular guys tend to be big alcoholic violent jerks who do not respect the beautiful women they attract. They have all the luck while the good men go without dates and get none. Now politics: those at the bottom of the Democratic list were forced to drop out, Richardson and Kucinich. And they are clearly better than that Hillary bitch and Obama by far. People are so dumb, they just support her because she is powerful and well known, because she sure as hell doesn't have the best stance on any issue besides the space program. So now who? A third party candidate that will never in a million years get elected? Kucinich was from a major party and was for ending the Drug War and all wars. The environment, healthcare, the economy, education, you name it and he had the best position on every issue. Stupid America, they will probably elect another dumbass like Bush again. Makes me embarassed to be American!

[SpaceWarp]

When I said "bitch" I just mean she is snobby and condescending and not at all what I want in a Presidential candidate, I have nothing against women Presidents at all if they are the RIGHT woman. And Republicans are never the answer. All those bastards want is war and to oppress the poor and downtrodden. Blame everything on immigrants and oppress them, fight wars only for oil and due to anti-Islamic bigotry, and cut needed funds to the poor to give tax breaks to the rich and corporations. Tax break us right into a recession in fact. Don't get me started on those bastards! Narrow-minded, always wanting to stop progress instead of encouraging it. We need to get tough on fossil fuels and use greener energy, end wars, help the poor, and have a stronger space program as the economy of the future depends on it. At this point I guess I am down to third party choices or not to vote.

[denial102]

I'm actually thinking none of the candidates are going to legalize or decriminilize it or look out for those of us using MMJ. When George and his merry band of fascists compare Marijuana users to terrorists it kind of ruins it for those of us who have serious psychological "ticks" or physiological illnesses that need or struggle without it - or a suitable relief.

As someone who was luckily never prescribed ritalin I feel I need something to curb my ADHD.

Denial

[cannaninja]

Lest we should not forget the electoral college. I hope I need not remind everyone that these retards let bush into office. I also believe that we need to stop depending/relying on politicians to do this work for us. They all get paid for this win or lose (win/win for the pollys). There are only two things that I believe can help us now. One: ourselves, Two: media. Truth is liberation and change especially for the ignorant. Use the media to control the flow of information we all want so desperately relayed and ourselves (we'll probably need millions for this) to stand at "the gate" or in essence the capital until change happens. WE THE PEOPLE are supposed to have the real power. Even if the government doesn't believe this lets make them feel some REAL HEAT for our change! Anyone with me?

:wtf:-cannaninja

[Nailhead]

I always got a little funny feeling when I saw Bill Richardson on the news, was a little disappointed when he ended his campaign, but it was expected. He never did nearly as well as he should have, that guy has better experience than Clinton and Obama combined, and signed medical marijuana into New Mexico law. Nobody else, not even Ron Paul, has a record of helping patients become legally protected for using medical marijuana.

Yes Ron Paul would do everything in his power to help patients, but Richardson had actually done something. You gotta respect someone who walks the walk!

Now who do I think will best protect medical marijuana patients? The Doctor of course, Dr. Ron Paul! I'm amazed at how quickly the mainstream media, and regular people too, dismiss Ron Paul's view on ending the war on drugs completely. Call that crazy all you want, but when somebody who has actually worked in the medical field talks about medicine, I think he deserves a little damn respect! So I choose Ron Paul even though you specifically said not to, because if he wasn't running I wouldn't even bother voting for president. I don't like any of the other candidates and would never vote for a less evil candidate.

[Jay Matix]

Ron Paul. I think the DEA might ease up a lil on the medical patients.

[greenlotus]

The DEA says medical marijuana already exists - marinol.

Don't expect any of them to really push a decriminalization platform.

[GoodBush]

Ron Paul is the only candidate who even speaks the words marijuana and de-criminalization in the same sentence.
Come on people look into this. This is a serious year and we can make this happen.

Vote Ron Paul and join A ronpaulmeetup group.

[Zcomp]

Cannaninja,
I'm with ya. I'm a soldier of freedom, ready to die for that cause at any moment. WE THE PEOPLE is right. people are so pessimistic.... Never realizing that we DO have the power.
Where is the people's army?? I need to join. opppps just got flagged by big brother.

[SpaceWarp]

Well I have to look into Ron Paul more, but if this medical marijuana stuff is true, that's the ONLY thing he is good for. If he is in every other way just a nasty buttfuck Republican, I am not going to vote for a guy who will do one thing right and everything else wrong. Yes Richardson was the 2nd best option to Kucinich, and Edwards after that. Now we are left with the 2 most popular and therefore worst candidates. Way to go America! It never ceases to amaze me how dumb the average one is. I have to move I guess.

[swice1]

Doesn't matter, your vote doesn't count anyways its all fixed. People give up hope in your government already.

[SpaceWarp]

we need to overthrow the government but in the meantime, vote Obama! He at least will do something right, where Hillary just tells you what you want to hear. Actually lately she just slings shit.
Someone compared her to a slithering snake, I agree!
vote Obama!

[Markass]

Ron Paul, because he knows the constitution doesn't authorize the government to take control over anything they feel the desire to.

He's the candidate I'll be writing in...

[Nailhead]

we need to overthrow the government

That is what we do when we vote, the problem is that the voters are generally retarded. Bush's 8 year term being a prime example.

To Ron Paul fans, you do realize he lost the GOP nomination, right? He's not going to convince the delegates to switch at the convention, it's not going to happen no matter how many times his campaign manager says so.

[Markass]

That is what we do when we vote, the problem is that the voters are generally retarded. Bush's 8 year term being a prime example.

To Ron Paul fans, you do realize he lost the GOP nomination, right? He's not going to convince the delegates to switch at the convention, it's not going to happen no matter how many times his campaign manager says so.

All the more reason for me to write his name in...I registered republican to vote for him, and I'm damn sure not going to vote for that idiot mccain...we don't have enough money to wage war on the entire world yet.. :thumbsup:

[Nailhead]

why even waste time voting if you are going to do that?

[Markass]

why even waste time voting if you are going to do that?

Because that's the only reason I registered to vote...Is so that I would have the chance to vote for someone as revolutionary and true as Ron Paul. I may not ever get the chance to vote for someone as devoted to abiding by the constitution as him, unless he runs for president again.

The constitution may not mean jack shit to you, but it damn sure does to me. America wouldn't be here, we wouldn't be here if it weren't for the constitution and what our founding fathers did for us, I feel as though I'm honoring them by voting for him, as he thinks in a very close manner that they did.

[Nailhead]

I didn't realize you were in a state that hadn't voted, then I fully agree it's worth it for principal. But for the general election I see it as a waste.

We really need an overhaul of our voting process, it plays out for big business far too easy. The early states should at least be changed every 4 years by a random selection, this would remove the monotonous repetition of our voting system that is confusing to the average voter, but well understood by the powerful elites running and maintaining this machine of controlled democracy.

[Markass]

I didn't realize you were in a state that hadn't voted, then I fully agree it's worth it for principal. But for the general election I see it as a waste.

We really need an overhaul of our voting process, it plays out for big business far too easy. The early states should at least be changed every 4 years by a random selection, this would remove the monotonous repetition of our voting system that is confusing to the average voter, but well understood by the powerful elites running and maintaining this machine of controlled democracy.

I am in a state that has voted, and I'm still going to write his name in during the November election, I'm not voting for John Mccain..not now, not ever.

[EvIL bLuE YoShI]

The president can't *DO* anything bout it.....it has to come down from the DEA and Surgen General......even Congress can't *DO* anything about it. The DEA and Surgen General have to change its classification catagory.

I'm pretty sure if congress and the president found punishing people for Marijuana unconstitutional, it would be changed with a quickness. Fuck the surgeon and DEA, they only follow orders.

[katyowns]

You can vote for any candidate in the general election regardless of what you're registered. So, you're not boxed into a McCain vote.

[Nailhead]

You can vote for any candidate in the general election regardless of what you're registered. So, you're not boxed into a McCain vote.

No matter how many times republicans are told this, they still don't understand, lol

[boaz]

^ I believe the implied truism in Mark's statement above is that he could not vote for a dem for president, irrespective of the ballot rules. ;)

[Markass]

Actually I don't even understand the difference between republicans and democrats..They're all alike to me...Except for Ron Paul. His words to me actually stated change, and absolute truth, which is why I registered the same party he was so that I could vote for him and only him.

If Ron Paul was a democrat, I would have registered democrat so that I could vote for him...

If anyone else ever runs for president or any electable office in which I'm able to vote for that speaks the truth of what our nation has come to as does Ron Paul, I'll be voting for them regardless of what I have to change my 'political affiliation' to.

Our government has way way too much power, and anyone who can't see that is either blind or not paying a damn bit of attention.

[Nailhead]

^ I believe the implied truism in Mark's statement above is that he could not vote for a dem for president, irrespective of the ballot rules. ;)

I'm sure that is true as well, and to be fair I'm sure there is an equal amount of democrats that won't vote for a republican just because they have gotten used the color blue. I have family members that always vote their party regardless of what satanic candidate is running, lol.

I just go with the one that seem most honest. Obviously Ron Paul is the most honest and sincere candidate, but I've always believed Obama was also generally honest about most important issues. As for Clinton and McCain, they could be twin siblings as far as I'm concerned. Both are equal liars and masters of deception. Their promises are made to be broken, it's just a matter of figuring out which promises they intend to keep. But to be honest, I was more afraid of Mitt Romney. If you look closely, you can still see the thick black semen from satan dripping from his lips. That guy is a born politician.

[boaz]

. . . If Ron Paul was a democrat, I would have registered democrat so that I could vote for him...

If anyone else ever runs for president or any electable office in which I'm able to vote for that speaks the truth of what our nation has come to as does Ron Paul, I'll be voting for them regardless of what I have to change my 'political affiliation' to. . . .

Yes, I agree with that. Sorry if I seemed to put words in your mouth, just f'in around. :rastasmoke:

I am an independent, too. I did vote for Bubba in '92, but I've learned since then. I also voted for Republican Pete Wilson for gov that same year, to add some balance, tho. :stoned:

[SpaceWarp]

That is what we do when we vote, the problem is that the voters are generally retarded. Bush's 8 year term being a prime example.

To Ron Paul fans, you do realize he lost the GOP nomination, right? He's not going to convince the delegates to switch at the convention, it's not going to happen no matter how many times his campaign manager says so.

exactly dude! Geez you are banned too, like my buddy space toker? It seems they are way too ban happy here! You are only hurting yourself by silencing independant voices, something we as a community support last time I checked! so if someone says "you're a booger" or something similarly trivial and assinine, they get banned?
come on now! respect freedom of speech not fascism!
So the answer to the question is, Obama! He is the man, he will not raid medical patients or so he says, at least he says so and no one else does, so I say give him a chance, VOTE OBAMA!

[HighTy]

Obama, so far he seems very real and truthful.

..........so far.

I never believe it until i see actions taken. He has got my vote so far though.

[pointblank420]

The president can't *DO* anything bout it.....it has to come down from the DEA and Surgen General......even Congress can't *DO* anything about it. The DEA and Surgen General have to change its classification catagory.

Sorry m8, I'm afraid you're a little misinformed on our Democratic Republic. Presidents CAN do something about it. :jointsmile: Considering that the DEA, not to mention EVERY law enforcement agency, is part of the executive branch of government. Therefore, they answer to the president who can do something. Our government works like this: Legislative branch (that's Congress) passes legislation (laws); the Executive branch (that's President, VP, etc.) enforces the laws passed by the Legislative branch; Judicial branch (that's the courts) is in charge of interpreting the laws. So basically, the President is the head honcho of ALL law enforcement, from the cops that patrol the streets, to the DEA that oh so loves to ignore MMJ laws.

[8182KSKUSH]

Sorry m8, I'm afraid you're a little misinformed on our Democratic Republic. Presidents CAN do something about it. :jointsmile: Considering that the DEA, not to mention EVERY law enforcement agency, is part of the executive branch of government. Therefore, they answer to the president who can do something. Our government works like this: Legislative branch (that's Congress) passes legislation (laws); the Executive branch (that's President, VP, etc.) enforces the laws passed by the Legislative branch; Judicial branch (that's the courts) is in charge of interpreting the laws. So basically, the President is the head honcho of ALL law enforcement, from the cops that patrol the streets, to the DEA that oh so loves to ignore MMJ laws.

m8 I am afraid you are a little misinformed, we DO NOT LIVE in a "democratic republic."
We live in a constitutional republic/or if you prefer a Representative republic.
There is a difference.

[8182KSKUSH]

Sorry m8, I'm afraid you're a little misinformed on our Democratic Republic. Presidents CAN do something about it. :jointsmile: Considering that the DEA, not to mention EVERY law enforcement agency, is part of the executive branch of government. Therefore, they answer to the president who can do something. Our government works like this: Legislative branch (that's Congress) passes legislation (laws); the Executive branch (that's President, VP, etc.) enforces the laws passed by the Legislative branch; Judicial branch (that's the courts) is in charge of interpreting the laws. So basically, the President is the head honcho of ALL law enforcement, from the cops that patrol the streets, to the DEA that oh so loves to ignore MMJ laws.

p.s.
The DEA is enforcing laws already on the books. What steve is referring to are the bull shit promises to somehow make them ignore existing laws. Or the fact that for some reason people believe that the president can just snap his fingers and resched marijuana. No president is going to tell the DEA to "ignore some of these laws for my political convienence" they will continue to uphold existing laws so long as they have the funding to do so. Can you point to any actual examples of a president doing what you are saying?:wtf:

[Mississippi Steve]

p.s.
The DEA is enforcing laws already on the books. What steve is referring to are the bull shit promises to somehow make them ignore existing laws. Or the fact that for some reason people believe that the president can just snap his fingers and resched marijuana. No president is going to tell the DEA to "ignore some of these laws for my political convienence" they will continue to uphold existing laws so long as they have the funding to do so. Can you point to any actual examples of a president doing what you are saying?:wtf:

My point exactly.... The president can't change laws anymore than the Queen of England can change laws without the approval of congress or parlament. They are both just figureheads.

[DiscoLies]

2008 Presidential Candidates on Medical Marijuana (http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=882)

[flyingimam]

My point exactly.... The president can't change laws anymore than the Queen of England can change laws without the approval of congress or parlament. They are both just figureheads.

maybe an executive order can force DEA to make exception for legitimate medical use or temporarily put such raids on hold while the president pushes the congress to work on the issue... u think thats impossible? I mean, come on, the feds are pushing the congress right now for this damn 700 billion dollar bailout, they can do the same for any other issue if the political will exists!




2008 Presidential Candidates on Medical Marijuana (http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=882)

thnx for the link, however imo, it requires a massive political will for any major and effective changes to the medical mj @ federal level...

i cross my fingers that the current 2 house bills get some attention and public opinions get tested again on them... they both sound quite reasonable to me... either one getting passed even just in HR should be considered a HUGE step!

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and to jump in midst of convo: imagine if the president can really do nothing technically but just asks DEA and congress to find a way out for medical mj.... that shit is gonna get some real attention and perhaps some public support in the media as well... just imagine if some1 really is for mmj and becomes prez and just pushes for it and talks about it despite not being able to do much about it... i think that can bring alot of debate about the subject and perhaps change somethings no matter how little!

unless ofcourse our public is still in super-religious mentality!