Blue Russians invade flower room

[Rock.Steady]

Blue Russian bagseedbeans from a very nice friend.

Germed and veg'd under day/blue 26/100 cfl's for 10 weeks 18/6 wth 2 tippings.
1 week healing and 1 week growth recovery time for each tipping. Thats why its 10 weeks.
Theoretically, this would be the 6th week of veg when u subtract the tipping time.

decent MG soil mix cut with plain n perlite
superthrived water
FF Grow Big
lotsa love

they are approx 1-1.5 ft tall, before getting tied down.
LST'd the taller shoots when they moved to veg.
sprayed with Reverse, just in case.

now under 250 HPS 12-12

week 11 Thai clones in the backround.

if the fates allow, all these should finish in about 5 or 6 weeks.

:D

[Weedhound]

Damn Rock those look REALLY NICE! Short and bushy.....that's got to be your lighting. What are you vegging things under these days? I know you have that nice hps for flowering. What are you using for veg? It sure worked nicely on those.

[hydrocannabis]

damm I must be useing some crappy soil. cuz thouse look mouth watering. for real.

[Weedhound]

How many cfls?

[Rock.Steady]

3 cfls,
in a "T" socket
hung horizontal above them
white walls
35h x 30w x 24d veg box
thats it

see in top of pic?

veg box (http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/grow-log/171625d1198431650-thai-clones-bondage-p1010020.jpg)

[zebulon]

Looking nice Rock...:thumbsup:....the Russians are coming...:)

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

When you say tipping, I take it you mean topping. You got some very nice branching going on there. Next round concider only doing LST save the recovery time with similar results. Also consider getting more cfl's or even a MH lamp for veg you will get better results.

All in all good work using what you have:)

[Rock.Steady]

tipping, topping, yes, i mean i snipped em to get em to split.
i actually try to FIMM, and there are a few spots where it did split more than once as i intended.

also, i had thought about it and i am pretty sure i get more budsites when they split. i dont mind the extra week or 2. my first grow was thai, so im getting used to waiting.

also, my main reason for the topping is that i want them low and bushy.
my setup doesnt allow for maniacal verticle growth.

my veg box is small, MH is out of the question.
and i've been trying to scale down my power useage.
so thats why only a few cfl's.
the HPS is 1st priority.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Ok, if it works for you than stick with it, I see your concerns and they are good ones. I still would concider adding a cfl or 2, they look like they would bennifit from a little more light in the veg stage IMO.

[Rock.Steady]

Right on Jerry:thumbsup:
for the next set;)

tied down lil more.
they'r levelin off really nice:)

[Weedhound]

I like the way they look but hadn't really considered that they were already lst'd. Jerry, Rock is married to those cfls....he's even had their grandkids over....a family of 12 at one point. It took a LONG time to seperate him from them for the hps so you have to go slow.....he's a stubborn curmudgeon. :D

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Weedhound

Well at least he has the hps and knows how to maximize his grow with what he has! that is the most important part. :)

[Rock.Steady]

yeah Jerry, still tryin to figure out what is optimal:thumbsup:

Houndie, yer funnnny:D
but, ur rite,
once upon a time, there was 12 cfls on 3 girls,
12x26=312w
wow:wtf:

now

1 250w hps on 5 girls:D

but, ya gotta admit, the cfl's do get decent veg results:D
these leveled off nice.
they were 1-1.5 ft straight.
the sticks in back are about 1.5ft
lite is about 18-24 in away.
fan on with lite.

i think they'll make ya proud auntie WH;)

[Weedhound]

Oh I think they look GREAT and now you will see some good growing and buds with that hps. :thumbsup: You vegged them longer which will make a difference too. Can't wait to see those puppies in a few weeks. They won't be like your skimpy, slow-ass thais who DEIGN to give you a few buds here and there...:D

[Rock.Steady]

.....he's a stubborn curmudgeon. :D

curmudgeon
One entry found.

curmudgeon

Main Entry: cur·mud·geon
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)kər-ˈmə-jən\
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1568
1archaic : miser
2: a crusty, ill-tempered, and usually old man
â?? cur·mud·geon·li·ness \-lē-nəs\ noun
â?? cur·mud·geon·ly \-lē\ adjective





i think ive just been called a crusty old fart:wtf:

:wtf: :S2:

[Rock.Steady]

ironically, i think everyone will finish together.
5 weeks from now is week 16-17 for the clones
Betty was 16 weeks and coulda benefitted from another 1 or 2.

so, about 6 weeks for the russins to go nutty.
and same for the clones to finish...

should be an amazing february.:D

[Weedhound]

curmudgeon
One entry found.

curmudgeon

Main Entry: cur·mud·geon
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)kər-ˈmə-jən\
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1568
1archaic : miser
2: a crusty, ill-tempered, and usually old man
â?? cur·mud·geon·li·ness \-lē-nəs\ noun
â?? cur·mud·geon·ly \-lē\ adjective





i think ive just been called a crusty old fart:wtf:

:wtf: :S2:

Takes one to know one......:D

[xcrispi]

Whats up Rock ,
I been watchin this thread for a min. I came across 50-60 of these exact same seeds myself . :)

I have 1 at 6 weeks 2 days bloom right now , topped once in a 3 gal. pot . It's sat. domin. and smells very citrusy / grapefruity . A pics. worth 1000 words .

I'm curious how yours will turn out . Bluebear is doing a run of 10 in the near future too .

One of this springs breeding projects will include trying to feminise this stuff for our big sister :D

Peace bro.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

HOLY SHIT!!! :eek: :jawdropper:

[JackHerer]

Wow Xcrispi you don't half know how to make a person jealous LOL :)

Hey Rock looking good pal glad to see that temptress WH;) didn't get me hooked on this growing lark on my own. :)

[smokenss]

crispi mate ur a fuckn champ those r some really fuckn nice lookn buds there:thumbsup:.



:smokin:ss

[Rock.Steady]

Whats up Rock ,
I been watchin this thread for a min. I came across 50-60 of these exact same seeds myself . :)

I have 1 at 6 weeks 2 days bloom right now , topped once in a 3 gal. pot . It's sat. domin. and smells very citrusy / grapefruity . A pics. worth 1000 words .

I'm curious how yours will turn out . Bluebear is doing a run of 10 in the near future too .

One of this springs breeding projects will include trying to feminise this stuff for our big sister :D

Peace bro.
Crispi :jointsmile:


HOLY CRAP CRISPI!!!

that is dammmmmmm impressive!

if u did that, with 1 topping, and a 3 gal ,,,,,,

well, wtf is gonna happen to my topped twice and LST'd?????

btw they are fully bounced back after takin 2 days wilted after they got tied down hard and maybe they needed to get used to the HPS.

actually, i spoke to sis a while ago about attemting some fem beans for her as well:thumbsup:

really lookin forward to watching these girls go.
hmm, hopin theyr girls. preflowers should show in next few days.
share some pix soon.:thumbsup:

hey Jack, welcome back, thanks. nah, she roped me long ago.:wtf:
you are not alone!:D

[Weedhound]

I WILL say....

they never grew that nicely in MY garden either....:wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

I WILL say....

they never grew that nicely in MY garden either....:wtf:

is crispi using dirt or hydro?????:wtf:

[Weedhound]

I SUGGESTED Rock buy a fan to cool his room......he ran out and bought an air conditioner AND an entire room for his plants. Who roped WHOM?? :D

[Rock.Steady]

I SUGGESTED Rock buy a fan to cool his room......he ran out and bought an air conditioner AND an entire room for his plants. Who roped WHOM?? :D

:S2: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

but, i was just a pile of glowing embers,,,,,,,,you dropped a gallon of gas,,,,,,:wtf:

[JackHerer]

I SUGGESTED Rock buy a fan to cool his room......he ran out and bought an air conditioner AND an entire room for his plants. Who roped WHOM??

ROFLMHO:clap::S2:

Wait: Just got to check my great big book of government excuses. Yep thats the one.

Yes but Rock's first grow was gateway dirt.

;)

[Weedhound]

You see now Rock.....Jack was ALWAYS a good boy ;). He never put 12 cfls around his room or decided to grow a plant that takes 16 weeks TO FLOWER! He always did what he was told and now look......he's a growing FIEND. :D

[Rock.Steady]

hmmm, me,,,,'good boy':wtf:,,,,,'do what i'm told'':wtf:
maybe you should talk to my mom.;)
you may have had , um, unrealistic expectations:wtf::D

ok, blame it on impetuous youth???:wtf:
or maybe just my OCD:wtf:

and i think we all see, there are no new thais on this horizon.
there is now HPS for flower.
so, ok, i learned my lesson(s).

i may be a slow learner sometimes.

but, please, lets not send me to the dark side.

if dirt is a gateway medium...
perlite must be a transitional medium...
gotta be careful not use too much perlite
gotta make sure i stay in dirt.:D

[xcrispi]

is crispi using dirt or hydro?????:wtf:

Hey Rock ,
I do both hydro , dirt . These pics. of w/h genetics are in soil .
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Rock.Steady]

Hey Rock ,
I do both hydro , dirt . These pics. of w/h genetics are in soil .
Crispi :jointsmile:

ahha, ok, maybe that may make a diff:wtf:

maybe they just like dirt?

we'll see what happens.
new pics coming up;)

[JackHerer]

You see now Rock.....Jack was ALWAYS a good boy . He never put 12 cfls around his room or decided to grow a plant that takes 16 weeks TO FLOWER! He always did what he was told and now look......he's a growing FIEND.

Your to kind there Weedhound, thankfully you never spoke to my mother either doubt she would agree with the ALWAYS. :) (Note to self must camoflage the CFL which found there way into the grow room);)
The closest thing to the hobby type excitment this growing lark brings is when I started playing guitar in my teens. Its not just about the smoke either, its all the fun of growing it & seeing certain smokers envious of the smell they just got a whiff off when there huffing on some comercial oregano is an added bonus. :D

Have you got an HPS up & running now Rock. LOL on the Thais always wanted to grow a Thai strain untill I saw how long they can go in yours & a couple other log's. Think I'll wait on them untill I have loads more space & other grows on the go.

[Rock.Steady]

couple quik pix
1 full week plus LST

week2 starts tomorow;)

yes Jack, runnin a 250 HPS for flower:thumbsup:

[JackHerer]

Well must say your current Blue Russian ladies seem to be enjoying the light very much. Like your LST technique last time I just used string and sticky tape to hold it in place.

Wouldn't worry too much about comparing to Xcrispi, I bet he even has a Cripsi cheat button on the PS3 that makes him 10 times better than anyone else ;).

[zebulon]

Hmm..i see lots of bud sites...:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

um, Houston,,,i think we have a problem:wtf:

looks like "I" stands for "Ivan":(

already Reversed the hell outta them, so, i guess this one goes bye-bye

[Weedhound]

Is that a hermie or a male?

[Rock.Steady]

dunno, lookin male to me.
no hairs anywhere,
i reversed already
lotsa those jingle balls startin to show.
its only on 1 out of the 3 so far.

we gotta be careful.
dont wanna knock up the neighborhood.

watchin close.
will eject if necesary:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Yeah, that's a male...no preflowers that you can see.....dump it.

[Rock.Steady]

ok, closer inspection,,,,or,,,
compulsive staring with mag glass for infinite amounts of time:wtf:

"G" stands for 'girl', we'll call her "Galina"
(russian female name i looked up)
2 hairs showing, Yippie!:clap:

"I" is for 'Ivan', he will be ejected.

"H" is still a wild card, not showin either way.
i'm thinkin 'Heidi', i know its german, but i like the name.

think maybe ill germ a few more of these ruskies:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Watching cm's and MVP's work with the scrog setup really makes me think about it for you Rock. You've got the lighting etc and I bet those russians would scrog great. Hopefully the third one will be female too.....the males usually show first (so they can be ready to jump the bones of the first female) so chances are number three is a girl too. THAT being said.....keep watching like a hawk. ;)

[JackHerer]

Bit of a bummer that with Ivan Rock but good news on Galina. Hope karma is good to you with Heidi, pretty sure its also a swiss name so should be safe & neutral there.

[Rock.Steady]

hahahaha!:D

nice one Jack.
yeah, im hopin for Galina and Heidi.:thumbsup:

think maybe pop a few more beans,,,,
but which ones this time???:wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

quik update

Galina is exploding.
she's gonna be a monster.
LST is working perfectly, lower inner shoots have extended up as high as the tie downs.
hairs a poppin:D

"H" stiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillll not revealing sex.
gave another spray of Reverse, just in case;)

[JackHerer]

Could do with some pics of Galina. Sounds like its going well.

[Rock.Steady]

ok, as requested.

that pot is 12 in wide, she's reaching beyond and about a ft tall:D

this is only the end of wk 2 flwr:D


im thinkin bout a valentines gift,,,,,:chainsaw:

[JackHerer]

There certainly looking good rock you have opened the centre up to the light nicely.

[tokr2153]

looking good hopefully the H stands for Heather and not Homer good luck rock

[Rock.Steady]

ahh, ok, looks like i lost a post from the upgrade;)

to update the mystery
H stands for Harry, Homer and Hacked to bits:chainsaw:


so, that leaves us with Galina only from our original trio.

she is in the middle of week 3 and is starting to dwarf the Thai clones.
her arms are spread out beyond the 12 in pot and is over a foot overall. that 12 in ruler is sitting on top of the dirt leaning on Galina.

I am AMAZED:jawdropper:

[tokr2153]

damn man sorry to hear that so u only got one female hopefully you get a real nice yield from that one maybe u should try a scrog to maximize your yield anyway good luck

[Weedhound]

Yeah I like the scrog idea too....:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

what makes it so different (better?)
and of course, whats involved?:wtf:

i thought all these tie downs and opening up to the lite was supposed to be such a cherry idea???

i count the 4 main budsites and about 6 or 7 smaller ones:wtf:

dont get me wrong, this is an AMAZING DIFFERENCE in size and development vs the Thai,

big props to a very cool friend indeed.
THANK YOU WeedHound!:thumbsup:

btw-germed 3 more the other day:rastabanna:

[Weedhound]

Yeah Rock I think you'd do good with a perpetual harvest thing.....works great for me.

I like the scrog idea because the 3 people I've been watching, Opie, MVP and cm have all gotten really impressive results so far.....better I believe than I would get from lst. And it really seems to get maximum results with the smaller lighting and space thing.
Although I seem to recall PC having a grow of out of control white widows he was scrogging.....

[Rock.Steady]

i dunno hound, that scrog thing does look good, but, look what Galina is doin.
the 2 longest opposing arms are at least 16-18 inches apart, over 15 inches tall from the ground
the other 3 intermediate sized are around 12 in spread
and all the lowers are reaching up n filling in.

i could prolly, tie the tips over and maintain a particular height, and let the entire plant catch up with it.
i dont feel comfy about all this screening and such.

i mean, look at her, she's creating a stadium shape just from the way she's responding to the tie downs, no?

plus, we're outta synch on cycles here.

there's room enuf to have 6 veggin and 6 in flwr at the same time.

i dont have that figured out just yet. but working on it.:D

[Weedhound]

opposing arms? That's your botany anatomy? :D

She does look nice an happy though....got some good stems going. Now let her finish without pestering her..;)

[Rock.Steady]

thats my quasi-botanical descriptions, and it worked:thumbsup:
I FIMM'd, as i do with every topping attempt.
with Galina, she was topped twice and got a couple triple branches goin. the 2 thickest stalks are impressive as hell.
remember i only have Thai as an experience, this shit is BOOMIN!:D
just topped the 3 Mystery Reds today. 4 weeks and they'll be ready, i hope.
i also germed 2 that are Blueberry or Mango Kush, (i hope 1 each)
so, there are 5 in the solo cups rite now, counting the 3 new russians.
6-10 weeks for them to be ready to go
that should allow the Reds outta the way.

then i wanna do some WHSNLHazeFemMix :cool:

oh, btw-
i am gonna give her some of the MaxFX from DM tomorow:D

[Rock.Steady]

well, Galina was feelin a lil crazy so, she got her bondage on:D

then she took a lil shower.
mix total was 2 cups:
dechlorinated water w a drop o ST/gal
tspn Big Bloom
tspn Max-FX
tspn Penetrator
(there is 1 cup mixd left over for tomorow)

spary on both sides of leaves til runoff.

1st 3 pix are after the new tie downs.
she leaned right into it, didnt resist a bit... i think she likes it:wtf:
now all flwrs are at the same level, within an inch.

the hps is off and a cfl is on with the fan while she dries off, then back to hps.

waddayathink?:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Rock.....I love you man.

NOW LET THE POOR PLANT FINISH.. Im very sure you're aware that the more you make changes the longer your plants will take to finish. Every time you remove a leaf or lst you add time to your grow. Normally MOST folks do this a few times so finishing time isn't really affected.

That was part of the reason I liked the scrog idea for you...you are allowed to play with them more than normal but everything you do adds time to your finish.

[Rock.Steady]

she turned almost every leaf horizontal and pointed the flowers up before the end of the day.
the ropes got fine tuned after the last pix.
every flower is at the same level, like a scrog without the screen.:wtf:

temp around 80 end of week 3.

This is exciting:woohoo:

[Rock.Steady]

ok, Galina Version 3.0:wtf:

ok Weedhound, i swear:wtf: ill leave her alone now, 'cept to:wtf: tuck some leaves, uhm, ok?:wtf:

installed cage, cut the ropes and let her stretch out in her new playspace.


"Porta-Scrog"
is this kinda what you were thinkin?

-edit- oh yeah, sprayed with Reverse (just in case with all the stress she's been subjected to lately) and the vitasoution from the other day.
also got a watering, with Big Bloom, she been thirsty.
didnt get the liquid lite yet, tomorow.:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Hey COOL..!!

Some of her is going to have to grow up the to fencing. Can you get your hand underneath to train branches etc? This will be great to see.....get your light down there as close as you can......:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

Yes and Yes and Yes:D

some chain lowered the lite about 8 in.
any closer and she might burn.
we'll see how she reacts to all this.

made a new roof, came out a LOT better now that i know what i want:wtf:
that one will go on one of the Mystery Reds.
too bad this wasnt around during the Thai.
maybe someday.

with this rig should be able to go forward with those SNLxNH(fem) without worries of explosive growth.:D

off to the germ lab:dance::woohoo:

[Rock.Steady]

ok, couple lil things.

1st, no negative reaction to lowering the lite.
now im wondering if its been too high all along.:wtf:

height from top of p-scrog to lite is approx 15 inches.

ill be lowering a lil more tomorow and take some pix.


2nd, i lowered the p-scrog 3 inches.
now distance to the medium(soil) is about 6 inches.
i wanted to help the screen fill in, and it did;)

spent about an hour making noted adjustments and poking leaves.

still didnt get the dam Liquid Lite.
have to go in 2 directions,,,,:wtf:
1 place had Reverse (got today)
the other has the Gold bottle,,,,,tomorow, when they unlock the door, ill be there already.
then back to the room and give Galina a (nah, i wont say it) shower.:D:weedpoke:

[Rock.Steady]

SCORE! got the Liquid Lite!:D

these r the 'before' pix:cool:

we'll see what happens next:wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

OK, PANIC IS SETTING IN


WTF is this turned up leaves thing all about????


too hot?

did i lower the lite too much?

need an answer in less than 45 mins, then its lites out:wtf:

[Weedhound]

How far away is your light? looks to me like they're reaching for more light. Do they feel hot?

[Rock.Steady]

moved the light closer today cause i thought maybe it was always too far.

i also gave it the Liquid Lite which increases the "light usage".

i never had this happen before.
you know this strain, you really think its trying to reach????

that just doesnt make sense since i lowered the lite and gave it the LL.

im so confused right now:wtf::(

[Weedhound]

LL.....don't know anything about it but I will read up......pull your light back until we figure this out. Better safe than sorry.

[Weedhound]

Dutch Master (http://dutchmaster.com.au/hv_faqs.php?product=4)

Start here.....are you mixing this MAX FX stuff whatever it is?

[Rock.Steady]

ok, yeah, i backed it off right before the lites went out for the nite.

Opie was all excited about the LL.

now im just confused.

try this LINKY (http://www.4hydroponics.com/nutrients/liquidLight.asp)

[Weedhound]

So far I see two things I question....the use of MAX FX and LL which I read you are no o do.

Second don't drop the light below 15 inches above....I imagine yours was closer?

[Rock.Steady]

Dutch Master (http://dutchmaster.com.au/hv_faqs.php?product=4)

Start here.....are you mixing this MAX FX stuff whatever it is?

No, i gave it 1 spray of Max on the 18th only.


i gave it the LL today only, and only once.

[Rock.Steady]

ok, looks like they say "dont have to use together"
doesnt say its a "bad" idea tho


Q: Can I use Max-FX and Folitech with Liquid Light?

A: No. As Liquid Light is a next generation foliar product based in part from those first generation technologies developed for Max-FX and Folitech, there is simply no need to use these products together. Liquid Light already contains the base technologies from both these products but in more advanced and highly developed state. Liquid Light is much more than just an improvement on the Max-FX and Folitech technologies. Liquid Light also contains a radical new suite of super powerful technologies that work with our existing, improved technologies to deliver explosive growth and development on a scale never seen before! . Liquid Light can quite literally turn a bucket of manure into a super nutrient â?? itâ??s that powerful! Try it and you will see exactly what we mean!

[Weedhound]

Rock I'm just not sure, sorry. Have to see how they are in the morning. Hopefully someone else knows more abou LL than I do.....(not hard)

Dutch Master Products are usually pretty strong. How many DIFFERENT things have you sprayed on your plants in the last week?

[Rock.Steady]

last friday was a mix lf Max and a light mix of Big Bloom.
today was LL.

the LL is new, i dont know if anyone is gonna know anything really.

i guess we wait til mornin.:wtf:

oh yeah, i think i did bring the light closer than 15, ill check in mornin.

[Weedhound]

Hey for all I know it's SUPPOSED to do that......

[Rock.Steady]

ok, Galina seems to be goin back to normal.
the light was definately closer than 15inch.

now its set to 16 inch from p-scrog:thumbsup:

will advise;)

[Weedhound]

Whew...leaves look burned or anything?

[Rock.Steady]

looks great to me:D

[Weedhound]

Ok good.....;)

[MVP]

Nice freaky scrog you got going there Rock. I'll be following the LL chronicles...

MVP :jointsmile:

[Rock.Steady]

haha, yeah, well, you know how home fabrications go.
the first of anything you build is almost never the best one.

[MVP]

In my case, neither is the 2nd or 3rd or 4th. But I am a tinkerer and perfectionist so I am kinda screwed by my own nature! :S2:

[Rock.Steady]

hahaha, believe me when i tell ya, i KNOW what ur talkin about.


i got 3 letters for you O. C. D. :wtf:

MJ is the only way i stay fairly normal, without going and laying on a couch, talking to an overpaid old guy with a long beard who will put me on all kindsa pills that will put me in a fog of uselessness.:wtf:

I refuse to give up my mental edge, the world moves too fast:cool:

on the up side tho, i did refine the construction process,,,
the bends i now make on the edge of my kitchen table...
i wear gloves during construction instead of shredding my hands,,,
employing tools to twist the wires together,,,

definately too much free time for my mind to work on countless scenarios, issues and solutions:D

on another upside, today i mixed 3 bags of assorted soils plus 1 perlite,,,moved all 5 of the other sprouts to full-size pots, moved the 2 larger 'reds' to flower, due to space issues in the veg bunker with the 5 new 'full-sized' residents,,,,,figured out the Liquid Light will likely create magical growth in veg if used early and continuously,,,,,and as miracles must still exist, it looks like the trichs on those super-slo-mo Thais may finally be getting more cloudy, i didnt check w the scope yet, but there were areas that the crystals were whitish to the naked eye, for the 1st time ever.

wow, what the hell made me type all that???:wtf:
i gotta go to bed

L8r:D

[Rock.Steady]

ok, been a while.....

nearing the end of week 5 flwr
have applied LL 5 x's so far

she seems pretty happy.

[zebulon]

Hey Rock....looking good..:thumbsup: but i don't really understand, that in pots that big....shouldn't your plants be a li'l bigger???
How often do you water them??? and how much do you give em????

[Rock.Steady]

hey Zeb, nice to see ya.

the pots are 12 x 12, approx 3 gal?

watering varies, using a moisture meter and usually wait til it reads 'dry-dry/moist' more than 1/2 way down to allow the roots to get air. about once ev 5 days, roughly and bout 1/2-3/4 gal water with Big Bloom per directions.

Galina was heavily LST'd b4 she got caged.
the branches curl around a good 30-40% of the distance.
i think if she stood up straight she's over 2 ft.

is that small?
i swear, i dont know.

[zebulon]

Well i think you should def. give her more water...like between the feeding whit Big Bloom, every 2. day,give her clean water 1/3 or 1/4 gal....bcuz i think she is a little thirsty.....

but of course, i am not sure...:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Yes its small. The thing is....Rock can't stop playing with them....fixing them.....helping them.....pruning etc etc etc......and I think it's slowed growth way down. I've mentioned it several times but......well....you can see....sigh. :cool: I honestly think the same exact things leads to his having more males than females cause his ratios are backwards when it comes to that.

Rock you are also not supposed to be using the LL at five weeks of flower and i won't ask why you still are because you are certainly going to stop. :wtf:

Following direction is your friend......;)

[hydrocannabis]

hey UR plant looks like she has a rock & steady home.

so yah just watch thouse buds R gunna get bigger in the comming weeks. I bet that (fo sho FO SHO).

looking great as alwase rock.

stay good. stay bizzed. and stay strong and healthy.:D

[Rock.Steady]

hydro, zeb thx

wh, we gotta talk, i can explain plenty and ez, and ill b nice as ive read uve had a bad day on the boards;)


Yes its small. The thing is....Rock can't stop playing with them....fixing them.....helping them.....pruning etc etc etc......and I think it's slowed growth way down. I've mentioned it several times but......well....you can see....sigh. I honestly think the same exact things leads to his having more males than females cause his ratios are backwards when it comes to that.

Rock you are also not supposed to be using the LL at five weeks of flower and i won't ask why you still are because you are certainly going to stop.

playing? no. fixing? um, no. helping? I thought so, been followin Opie's lead in regard to poking leaf down or over. now i did just read ur take on that particular activity. well, this whole scrog thing is brand new for me, so, i'm trying to learn.:(,. finally, u suggest i've been Pruning??? here's a disclaimer for u: ;)positively no sharp instruments of any kind have been used on this grow since she was topped, none, zero, zip, zilch, nada, neit, nonononono. not this time. i learned on the thai.
actually, i have found that with the screen, i have no desire for pruning, because i have been able to poke the leaves outta the way of more budsites than i'd ever be able to clip to open up.. matter of fact, i havent even forced the dried shrivly leaf off the underside of the growth. i'm lettin her decide what she wants to do and when. so, what did i do? there was once or twice in the last week when she grew and started mashing a flower into the screen, so, i nudged that branch about 0.5-1 inch, to help save the flower. if that was bad, ok, tell me, noted and i will remember, but i woulda thought that was helping. *shrugs shoulders*

now, im not exactly sure what u mean about me causing males thru stress, thats a curious thought. As far as i understood, and maybe i am wrong (im NO expert at all, strickly a rookie, surrounded by pro's and veterans) but, i thought, (#1)a male is a male is a male, and (#2) a female, may hermire if u screw her around or have lite leaks, etc. but then (#3) there's a hermie, who automatically has the ability to go both ways and only thru tuff-love, like leave em alone and dont bother them, and the use of a product like Reverse(which i been using, per yours and DM's directions) u can keep them fem. was i wrong? and , if this is all true, then how on earth did i cause plants to b male only?
if u ask me, and some have, i think i just grabbed the wrong beans. it is a toss of the dice, a crapshoot, is it not? one of the reasons i put them in the big pots as soon as i can is so i dont mess with them too much, or so i thought.

ok, lastly, u are correct, the directions call out 4 weeks.
honestly, i goofed, i didnt plan of spraying her this last time, i was kinda on auto pilot. but, it is extremely dry in their space and the surrounding area and feed air. I have already made a mental note, previously, to not be a bonehead and spray her again, only the younger ones. but thats tomorow, i cant take back what i did yesterday. i will say that i did do the Homer "DOH!" as soon as i realized i was wetting her down, but it was too late. I coulda ran and broke out my old hair dryer from the 80's and dried her, but i thought that would possibly be stressful, so instead, i re-adjusted the fan to blow more in her direction for the day.

now, lets scroll back and talk about size. because,,,"say it with me class" Size Matters.;)
small, u call her small? really? i topped her twice in veg, and LST'd her still she screamed uncle, then caged her. but always there was growth. first, multiple branches and shoots. the 2 longest curl almost 1/2 way round. the 4 shorter ones are about 1/4 less, and all the low sprouts in the center are now around 1ft tall. i think (maybe wrongfully) thats a shitload of growth,,,isnt it?
hell, her trunk looks like a AA battery, then she shoots in all these directions and wraps around the whole thing.now, am i missing something, or are u just having a bad day (which is ok, but i wanna know if i'm really screwing up too)
in my opinion (and sure, i'm basing it on my only experience, 3 thais germed from beans i saved from the Mezezoic Era that took nearly 6 months each to grow) I think Galina is a monster, I'm totally as happy as i could possibly be and been thinkin how fortunate i am to have such a nice friend that she would share these beautiful beans with the likes of a loony-tune like me so i could have such a beautiful girl of my very own. I spend time just looking at her and talking to her, telling her how much i love her and love how she looks n smells. i'd prolly make a human girl cry with emotional happiness if i said 1/2 as much to one of them as i say to Galina every day. E-V-E-R-Y-D-A-Y.:D

let me make one last point clear. I already planned on waiting a lil longer than u originally told me she would take. why, you ask? because i did top twice, because i LST'd her to 98% horizontal, because i caged her, because i messed with the lite height, because i am still learning more everyday, because,,,,,ive only grown thai so far, and will be patient, because thats what i'm used to. so, im willing to give her time to catch up. im cool with it.;)

now, i stand ready to take any correction or new learning u feel i need. but lets make sure i'm screwin up first, otay?

and fwiw, i have spent (wasted) the last 3 days trying to fix my truck, which consisted of searching for a specialized tool i did not own already, that alone wasted 2 days, then broke the part with the new tool right after buying it, only to drill it out, which i could have done 3 days ago and avoided the expense.:wtf:
the urgency here is i was supposed to drive 4 hrs, one-way for an interview. i havent worked in months, so, im bored and crawlin the walls, now instead, ive rescheduled and now need to rescedule again tomorow, cause i wrenched all day and ache head to toe, only to find out, 95% finished, that i need another special part, because i must cut off one of the old parts, because its rusted so badly. and i realized today how out of shape i currently am and every muscle in my body is screaming in pain like im about 187 years old. so, ive had a stellar day or 3, as you may be able to deduce.

so, beat me up if u must, but i might be a lil punchy.

ok, so,,,WAZZZUP?!:wtf: ouch, even saying that hurt

[Weedhound]

I think if you go back to the paragraph that starts "let me make one last point clear" and read that paragraph you'll get what I mean. If you don't then I just plain give up.

And yes...the plant is small you take a look around at anyone else who doesn't "help" their plants so much with five weeks of flower and how many weeks of veg? Of course it doesn't look small to you. What are you comparing it with? Ping and Pong?

[Weedhound]

I just went back and read......this plant had a ten week veg period....it should be the size of a tree by now and I'm not kidding. This plant is 15 weeks old total and is less than "2 feet tall if stood up straight"

If you're happy with that then that's great. I just think there should be alot more plant there than there is.....especially for that age.

Yes...of course you have extended blooming time with all your improvements. That part is a given. The question really is....how much has this affected yield? I personally do believe yield will be affected since the plant is smaller. As I said somewhere in another thread when I overpruned and couldn't leave my plants alone it cut my yield about in half.

[Rock.Steady]

ok, fine, so i did a few things, and im willing to wait a lil longer.
arent u the one who said they were hearty and could take LST, scrog, etc?

maybe the pix i been takin arent doing justice. there are buds everywhere, and yes, i said i was comparing to the stupid thais that went thru a cold snap thru a week of cold nites which is prolly the exact reason they threw the leaves on the floor weeks ago, before i got a space heater for the room and sealed up the extra attic vent.

and i dont have the fancy-assed lighting setups u guys got.

did u forget i only have a 250w HPS?
and use CFL's for veg?
given those factors i disagree with "small"
why do you think i got so incredibly excited about the possible benefits of liquid light?

and while im looking for more reasons to stick a rusty nail thru my skin, do you agree with Zeb and think im waiting too long to water them,,,,wait, i retract that, you let yours live in water, cant ask you that one.

Zeb, unless im a total dope, (at this point even i am considering it)i thought it was let the roots breathe. if i water them as often as you suggest, the soil will stay wet all the time. i think thats how they drown.

ok, what the hell is goin on, is it a full moon or somethin?:wtf:

im sittin here all proud of this beautiful plant, and now find myself defending why im not growing a beanstalk with an illiterate giant living at the top of it?
its my fourth plant dammit.
and she is not small, u guys grow textbook monsters thru chemistry.

[denial102]

HOLY SHIT!!! :eek: :jawdropper:

LMFAO thats EXACTLY what I said to myself, and scrolled down and saw you had said that,, haha. Crazy grow!!!!!!!! Well done you two! I am equally as impressed as WeedHound!!

[Weedhound]

Ok, if you're good with it then the plant isn't small.

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - How to produce mostly females from standard seeds. (http://www.icmag.com/ic/archive/index.php/t-59901.html)

Here's an excellent article on some of the how/why's etc about stress creating more males than females from seeds.

[zebulon]

Rock im sorry....i don't wanted to hurt your feelings in any way....
or the feelings of your plants...;)

What i don't understand is...: The Plants have they own room...they have lots of space....then why topping them??? why LST-ing???
I mean i grow weed in a fucking box, so to get max yield out of that space i need to do some LST....
but in your case, you have a room for growing...lots of space...compared to a box...
Some training is of course good, but if the plants have space to grow, then why stop them?? whit topping and such....




Zeb, unless im a total dope, (at this point even i am considering it)i thought it was let the roots breathe. if i water them as often as you suggest, the soil will stay wet all the time. i think thats how they drown.



It is a good thing when the soil is wet...if the pots have holes on the bottom, and the excess water can leave, there is no way they gonna drown(think about flushing..they don't drown)...you can poke some extra holes in the bottom if you are too afraid...
And for more air poke holes in the side of the pots....and you can carefully loosen up the top layer of the soil if it is too compacted from the waterings whit some piece of wood, but carefully so you don't hurt the roots...
And if you put water in a bottle and start to shake it, it gets oxygenized...
I wrote this because i really think, that this smaller size of the plants is caused not only by to much topping,lst,ect...but also by not enough watering...

[zebulon]

now, im not exactly sure what u mean about me causing males thru stress, thats a curious thought. As far as i understood, and maybe i am wrong (im NO expert at all, strickly a rookie, surrounded by pro's and veterans) but, i thought, (#1)a male is a male is a male, and (#2) a female, may hermire if u screw her around or have lite leaks, etc. but then (#3) there's a hermie, who automatically has the ability to go both ways and only thru tuff-love, like leave em alone and dont bother them, and the use of a product like Reverse(which i been using, per yours and DM's directions) u can keep them fem. was i wrong? and , if this is all true, then how on earth did i cause plants to b male only?



About males and females....i think if you give the plants every thing they need..: good soil; food; !!ENOUGH WATER!! ; light ; air ; nice warm temps and NO STRESS....it is more likely they will become females...
I mean i have spend many of my high school years in a Agriculture school, this is what i noticed...If the plants don't get enough water,there is a drought, it is like 60-80% that they become males, because the bad conditions(i know this sounds stupid) the plant thinks, it has really short time left to live, so it becomes a male, cause it costs less energy....

[zebulon]

I spend time just looking at her and talking to her, telling her how much i love her and love how she looks n smells. i'd prolly make a human girl cry with emotional happiness if i said 1/2 as much to one of them as i say to Galina every day. E-V-E-R-Y-D-A-Y.:D



:thumbsup:.....i do love my girls too,i talk to them, stoke her leafs gently, kiss every single bud....:D
but you know, too much love can kill; or in this case it slows down growth....

[Rock.Steady]

Zeb
u didnt hurt my feelings, im dealing with an awful lot rite now, and just when i thought i was really getting the hang of this lil hobby,,,well, after yesterday i'm about ready to throw in the towl and go to a shrink, get medicated and say f it.

as to my room size, yeah, its a room, but the veg cabinet cuts the verticle space in half.
its veg underneath, sealed, and flwr up top in the open.

theres approx 2 ft above the top of the pots b4 they will touch the 250 hps, that will fry them to a crisp im sure. so with the allowable distance and the low strength of the 250 hps in mind, i was under the impression that i'd be good to LST, then WH suggested the scrog would be good for me. since Galina was already LST'd, i thought it was less stress to put the screen and untie her. was i wrong, maybe so. i dunno, i looked at them again, maybe WH's right, maybe they are small, maybe i should leave this to the chemists who seem to make huge happy girls with all this water and chemicals. personally i have never in my life had hydro where i preferred the taste over regular soiled nugs. i lived in socal and had plenty of hydro, ya know what? it sucked. and i really feel more in touch with nature growing in soil, but if im just a jackass and can only get bonsais, well, it might just not be worth the trouble or expense. 2 days ago i was pretty jazzed, now i feel like throwing everything out the window:(

i dunno, i really need to think this over.


and WH, no, now that ive been made to think about it,,,im not good with it actually.:(

[zebulon]

now i feel like throwing everything out the window:(



NO don't do it....it will be ok...there is no reason to stop now, if you have come this far....the plants look nice, and you can harvest some great weed soon...
In my eyes you are a good grower, who can grow some real dank weed....:thumbsup: Not everybody can do that...:thumbsup:

[zebulon]

i lived in socal and had plenty of hydro, ya know what? it sucked.

I Don't like hydo too much either...i know you can get some real great weed, it takes less time and you can have big monsters...
but for me it's so unnatural....it takes away the most important thing for me...the earth, the birth place of many-many kinds of plants...
we dirt growers should stick together, against the more and more powerful dark side...:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Well you guys know I love hydro so.....

Rock....here is what I see....without even trying it you've dissed hydro. This is the kind of thing that makes me want to bop you over the head. You've already decided it's not for you. just like the lighting etc etc.....nope, nien, not a chance. Guess I'm just too old these days to repeat myself until you hear it and I've been with you the whole time. Yes I said it was a hearty plant......but nowhere did you hear me say you should do ALL THOSE THINGS ON THE SAME PLANT. You got to that stage all by yourself and somehow you've gotten the idea that I TOLD YOU to do this. Sorry, I'm not taking the fall here.

If you went ONE grow...ONE....following directions carefully.....no adding, changing, improving etc.....you could grow a kick ass plant......I have absolutely no doubt. You have everything you need including an excellent knowledge base to work off of (c.dot) and feminized seeds to start.

My several thoughts with you and hydro are this.....there are all sorts of cool things you can test, study, check, adjust etc in a hydro setup which will keep you busy without "helping" your plants so much. Also the growth is much faster.....as you know....and I have a feeling that once you actually see a plant grow decently it will do more than anthing else to teach you to leave things alone. I quite honestly think you just don't know any different having never seen a good healthy plant grow. When I was trying (poorly) to grow my stuff outside I thought my 3 inch plants were the bomb.....yeah, the soil thing was slow but look at my three inch plants.....until I went to my friend's house and hers (exact same age) were a foot high. That gave ME a pretty rude awakening right there and I spent the rest of the summer jumping through hoops trying to fix things.

And this nature baloney.....ok fine....get out your horse, icebox, outhouse etc......return to nature.....have fun. ;) I happenn to think they invented things like air conditioning and penicillin for a darn good reason. ;)

[MVP]

If I may chime in here and suggest a DWC ( and perhaps a SCROG too). It gives the DIY person something to do, and it is a pretty easy introduction to hydro. I won't write a book on it but I will say that it can produce some crazy results while being simple enough to learn. Water, bubbles, nutrients, daily checking on the PH/PPM. That's about it.

OK, now I will shut up and stop pushing hydro on ya... :wtf:

[Weedhound]

And you know MVP.....you COULD check your ppms and ph every couple hours.....just to make sure it stays good.....never hurts in hydro......

[Rock.Steady]

i'm not blaming anyone for anything.

wh, thanks for your help, youve been very patient with me.

[denial102]

i'm not blaming anyone for anything.

wh, thanks for your help, youve been very patient with me.

cheer up homes, you're doing an amazing job there..
some people may disagree cause they think it's all about yield and growasfastaspossible, is that what your trying to achieve? If not, are you enjoying yourself, your time with your plants, and learning what to do and what not to do next time? I say who cares what others say, as long as you make an informed decision! :D

Don't feel disheartened - just because your plant is growing slow does NOT mean that you're plants are shit, did they turn out the way you wanted? Thats what's important and I thought it would be damn important to bring that up. They look healthy, they look excellent. Sure they are a tad short but that is not surprising as they were tied!


Peace,
Denial

[Rock.Steady]

so, i go to empty the drip pan so i can give this plant some water, and i see this thing dangling outta the bottom of the pot.

if this is supposed to mean something that i should know about, can someone translate from Blue Russian into simple-guy-english for me, please?

thanks.

[MVP]

That looks like a nice healthy root mass IMO. If it were hydro I would offer an opinion (looks good, don't do anything). But since it is in soil, not sure what to tell ya, other than it appears to be healthy.

[Rock.Steady]

pix update.

mid-week 6

she may be small, but is starting to look like she may be my best yet.

due to all the different stresses i subjected her to, i expect to wait about another 3-4 weeks before she comes down.
she's starting to yellow the lower leaf, normal IMO.
i am leaving her alone now, and watering when the moisture meter reads just under moist, looks like maybe each 3-4 days lately.
last one is a backside shot.
thats it for now.

[zebulon]

Nice & frosty....yumm...:jointsmile:

[MVP]

Looking good Rock. I think water every 3-4 days 'sounds' right to me. It has been forever since a was a dirt guy, but that is what I remember. Grow on my friend!

MVP :jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

yah looking real good. rock.

just look at thouse buds. looking like bling bling.

[Rock.Steady]

ok, time for another pic-flavored update.

underside leaves gettin eaten up,
yellow, then brown-shrivly,
i give em a tug, when they release, i take em.

the triches are incredible.
like fields of clear glistening shrooms, i love it.

i snapped a bunch o pix

[Rock.Steady]

some more
sorry bout the lighting, i didnt mess with the HPS, just wanted to grab some pix and run.

oh, before i forget,:wtf:

starting week 7 flwr.:D

[Rock.Steady]

last set.

i think/hope maybe 2-3 more weeks.

[hydrocannabis]

looks really great rock. but the buds look kind of small.
but very beautiful also.

[Rock.Steady]

Thanks Hydro

and there's that small word again:wtf::D

[hydrocannabis]

yah lol. sniff sniff.:D

[Weedhound]

Well live and learn I say......The next ones will be beasts. :thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

sure hope so.
I'm hopin the new sprouts and Galina II turn into something.

i'll bet ya 1 thing for sure tho,,,,

these frosty lil yummies are gonna be TASTY!!!!:D

[MVP]

I say we get Rock hooked on hydro one step at a time... first the cloner, then a simple DWC, then... he takes over the world with Monster Hydro girls....... :D

[xcrispi]

Hey Rock ,
Don't know if W/H forwarded any pics to you .
Mine were done to my liking at 11 weeks . Here's a few pics .
Stuff is crazy yummy in my vapo . I'll try'n give you an acurate smoke report once cured all the way .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Rock.Steady]

MVP- thanks for stoppin in man, yeah, i think the process has begun.:wtf: Been readin up on a bunch of hydro threads. I'm thinkin maybe Latewood's nute regimine seems simple enuf to follow. and i found a decent bargain for a starter kit. my local place calls is a "waterfarm" for 50 bucks. its a 4 gal, halo-drip unit, but i like the idea of adding a bubbler to the bottom of it.
now i still need a mother:wtf:

Crispy, dude, is that the beast that ate Chicago???Fuckin A dude!!!:thumbsup:x10!
If i can get one to grow 1/2 as good as that,,,i may give up porn:D

[MVP]

I believe that the WaterFarm is the exact same unit the Hound uses. It is the square model, right? My first couple of hydro grows were with one and they work well. It is basically a hybrid between DWC (deep water culture aka "a bubbler") and a traditional drig irrigation system. It is the perfect way to get your feet wet, so to speak... :pimp:

[Weedhound]

HA HA HE'S GOING HYDRO!! I think you'll love hydro Rock and you don't have to get every bell and whistle to enjoy the benefits. OOOOO I can't WAIT! :D

[xcrispi]

Hey Rock ,
You can buy the hardware kit for the waterfarms for $12.00-$15.00 and use a 3 gallon bucket inside a 5 gallon bucket , single outlet aquarium air pumps are cheap too . Bet you can make 1 for 1/2 price or less . My Mrs. made all 6 of ours .

Search on here for "dwc/drip hybrid" . There should still be a pic. or 2 of ours on here .

Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[gainesvillegreen]

Hey Rock ,
You can buy the hardware kit for the waterfarms for $12.00-$15.00 and use a 3 gallon bucket inside a 5 gallon bucket , single outlet aquarium air pumps are cheap too . Bet you can make 1 for 1/2 price or less . My Mrs. made all 6 of ours .

Search on here for "dwc/drip hybrid" . There should still be a pic. or 2 of ours on here .

Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

Exactly, there's no reason not to make these buckets yourself. $5 per bucket, and $5-10 for an air pump, so $15-20 for a full bucket... not bad at all. I use the actual net pots made for the 5gal buckets, and they're still only $5, but as Crispi said, the 3-gal inside of it works well.

[Rock.Steady]

Hey Rock ,
You can buy the hardware kit for the waterfarms for $12.00-$15.00 and use a 3 gallon bucket inside a 5 gallon bucket , single outlet aquarium air pumps are cheap too . Bet you can make 1 for 1/2 price or less . My Mrs. made all 6 of ours .

Search on here for "dwc/drip hybrid" . There should still be a pic. or 2 of ours on here .

Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

ok, sooooooo, do i assume i'll drill a zillion 1/2 inch holes in bottom of the 3 gallon bucket?

I may have everything I need except the hardware kit, time to run to the attic, back in 15:D

[Rock.Steady]

well, i guess all i need is the hardware kit, air pump and some grow media and nutes?

look what i found,,,,just layin around, geez, destiny?

i'll paint the big bucket for light prevention, just happen to have primer and black rattlecans.

[Weedhound]

Hey Rock, what's wrong with an SNL x NH mommy? That's what i'm aiming for.

[Rock.Steady]

WH-
i want 1 of those for sure.
but, as u recall, there's been a weird run on males round these here parts.

i'm not chancing any of those precious lil bundles of joy until i figure out what the issue has been in the veg bunker.

as of now, down there, the 3 blue russian sprouts and the 1 blueberry (or) mango kush sprout are all doing pretty good for just starting 4 weeks. The one BR with the weird pale patches looks to have recovered. I shot them all with some Liquid Light yesterday morning, several hours later gave them the only topping i will do this on these.
This mornin they looked great, reachin to the light, tonight they relaxed a lil and looked really nice.
I am really strating to become convinced I have been underwatering,,,,,maybe for 6 months.
it seems everyone, EVERYONE, has gotten happier since i started getting more liberal with the watering schedule.
im thinkin that moisture meter has lead me wrong,,,,for a while now judging by these new reactions.
so, if i get these straightened out, ill be able to pick a BR mom, maybe get a blueberry or a mango mom, and then sprout a SNLxNH for a mom.

also, i have a clone i cut from Galina 5 days ago, and it still looks good. (see pic) that is Guaranteed a Fem, so, if all else fails, I get at least 1 BR mom in the next month or so.

what i would like to see develop according to current ideas and space is like this.
2 or 3 moms in the veg bunker with enuf extra space to accomidate a smaller cloner-rooter-gizmo like i made for you.

veg 1 or 2 at a time and move them to flwr asap.
hopefully i can get on some kinda rotating schedule.
otherwise, well, let's not even think about otherwise,LOL.

[MVP]

well, i guess all i need is the hardware kit, air pump and some grow media and nutes?

look what i found,,,,just layin around, geez, destiny?

i'll paint the big bucket for light prevention, just happen to have primer and black rattlecans.

Yeah, wally world has much of what you need: air stones x 2 (6 inch @ $3 each), dual ouput air pump ($10), air tubing (25 ft = $3). I advise buying 2 of the air pumps so you have a backup on hand.

The GH 3-part + calMag (latewood style) is easy and straight forward. Good beginner formula, it's what I cut my teeth on the first 3-4 grows.

If you need/want any DIY advice get in touch thru WH. I've built several bubbler and drip systems. just let me know...

[Rock.Steady]

Thanks MVP!!!:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Rock, I'm pretty sure I mentioned those were feminized seeds right.....the snl x nh? You won't get a male in there I'm pretty sure.

You have soil issues or something going on with those red stems.....nutrient issues or something......

[Weedhound]

oops sorry Rock...didn't realize that was a clone.

[Rock.Steady]

no worries WH, yeah, thats Galina II, five days after the cut.
i took off the lil flower hours prior to taking the cut.
i leave her domed during day, with a couple holes drilled in dome to not cendensate too much.
so far, so good.:D

yeah, you said those SNL's were femd, but then that link you sent me to when i had all those males, says that you can even screw up femd beans.
i figure ill wait til im sure, plus the veg bunker kinda filled up b4 the SNL's got here.
after i get a chance to move some of these sprouts out, ill try the SNL's.:thumbsup:

hey, u get my email, bout ur lil gift?

[Weedhound]

Yes...thank you very much. We ARE in the boonies so things DO take forever as a rule.
I'm waiting for my present kids in veg to get big enough to take some clones on.

[Rock.Steady]

rite on!:thumbsup:
you should have enuf time to get everything all settled in and prepped.
itll b cool to see your results with my lil creation:thumbsup::D

hey, dont forget to hit my email with the lil questions i lined up for ya.

i guess i might as well prepare a shopping list:wtf:

oh, BTW- i sit here building my mini-cloner,,,,right now, LOL
my roommate came walkin in asking about the drill he heard...:wtf:
my reply-
"creative juices are flowin man, this is an official hardhat area, steeltip shoes and goggles or faceshield also recommended, its a dangerous time around here bro."

then i pointed to the hydro bucket setup thats almost ready,,,,already:wtf:

he chuckled and walked outta the room.:D

[Rock.Steady]

im too funny...:wtf:

ok, ill admit, i got some inspirational help from Ping n Pong tonite.
remember those girls, the infamous clones,,,,,,
2 words "mmmmmmm tasty" :D:jointsmile:

and here's my mini cloner-rooter
the dome portion is soaking in sink to remove a label :cool:
oh yeah, and theres the new 'wet-rock' bucket, the old flowerpot wedges in for a perfectly snug fit. drillin many holes tomorow

oh yeah, and another job interview tomorow, the one last week didnt work out, this new one is a 'lock':D, known these cats a looong time.

so, yeah, you could say im in a pretty dam kick ass good mood :D

[MVP]

good stuff rock, thank goodness for friends like ping and pong :D you are gonna be off to the races in no time...

[Weedhound]

You should plant a seed in prep for your hydro.....not in dirt though....got any other medium?

[MVP]

I'd recommend either a perlite/vermiculite mix, or some kind of root cube or rapid rooter

[Rock.Steady]

hmmm, well, i could grab a bag of perlite.
but, wouldnt the water just run right outta that?

i dont think there'd be any retention at all.:wtf:

i guess its off to some store somewhere, does wallyworld or the home cheapo have anything id use?

i always did wonder how u used beans with hydro:wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

do you guys think i should take the clone outta that dirty cup and put it in the new bubbler?

[MVP]

In the past (long, long time ago) I used a soilless mix of 2/3 perlite and 1/3 vermiculite. Perlite for drainage, vermiculite for water and nute retention. The exact mix is an 'eyeball' estimate but I ran my first drip system using this simple medium. Now it has gotten all fancy and most call it a Hempy bucket....

[Rock.Steady]

hmm, well, i know i can get perlite locally, but havent seen vermec.
might be time for a recon mission.

back later:thumbsup:

[basementbotany]

hey rock, things sure are lookin' quite interesting around these parts. how'd the job interview go? btw, wherever there is perlite, there is usually vermiculite right beside it. Found both at "wally world" in the gardening section.

[Weedhound]

You can use both of those (perlite and vermeculite) but I'm not familiar with them so perhaps MVP or someone could help you with the medium part. When I was trying to decide what medium to use my hydro guy (who knows me well) suggested I stick with either hydroton or the higromite rocks. One thing he mentioned about perlite and vermeculite was the mess involved. Anyone who uses it think its messy?

STAY AWAY FROM ROCKWOOL......for my sanity if for no other reason. :D

And Rock....I wouldn't take something out of dirt and put it into your system. There's all sorts of germs, bacteria etc in the soil that will really get out of control in your hydro system with its perfect conditions for things like that.

Plant a new seed for your hydro. :thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

basement, thanks, yup, go the yob:D back to being a fully contributing member of this civilization, yet again, damm lottery ever hits and ill be my own boss dammit

and i did find both together, not at wally's but at the cheapo:thumbsup:

now WH, u say plant a seed, mmmm,okay, but then the fact that i havent made it to the hydro store, so, i did do some shopping and got a lil creative.

trying to figure out which pics and explanation first, and just blazed while i'm experimenting with some things:D

hang in there gang:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

ok, this transformation isnt taking long at all.:wtf:

ok. so, i need(ed)

1- some kinda media to sprout in
2- a drip system for the main bucket
3- media for the main bucket
4- air pump for main bucket
5- air pump for my new mini cloner gizmo
6- nutes
7- ph up n down and tester

altho WH has suggested a PPM meter, i cant go for 100 clams rite now.:(i'll have to rely on PH and following nute directions)

and i still need to test my water to see if ill need RO and calmag.

heres what i found, and what im thinkin.

pic 1 is everything i found.

perlite, vermeculite, polished river rocks, pumps(1 n 2 port),
and this "internal filter" caught my eye too.

pic 2 is the 'extended column' spittin out a plop of water

pic 3 is a close up of the internal pump,
i'll come back to this thing:D

[zebulon]

So Rock, you are really doing it....doin' a hydro grow?!
Well, i am not a hydro guy(not yet),but i think too, that this will be more suitable for you....checkin' the ph and ppm every hour, adjust the solution, spray some crazy new stuff on the plants, etc....as WH said, you will always have something to do...and hopefully not over love your girls...
I think you will make some really nice buds...:thumbsup:
That cloner you made for WH is one pretty cool piece, it looks well made...

[Rock.Steady]

so.
point 1 was sprout media
ok, under a suggestion by MVP, perlite n vermeculite will be used.
i'll do that in lil dixie cups so i can tear it away when its time to go to the bucket. that was about 7 bucks, and something, like rapid rooters($17 at the Hyd shop) was needed anyway.
saved 10 bucks.

point 2 was drip system for main bucket.
ok, 15 at my hyd shop, but i was anxious,
this internal filter, i noticed, uses the same bubble and clumn principle of the kit from the shop and cost only 10 bucks.
i removed that part and tried extending it. it works.
ill fab up a ring-like thing tonite or tomorow.
i have hoses and stuff, so, this is a winner too.
saved 5 bucks.

point 3 was media for main bucket.
was gonna get hydroton at the hyd shop for 22 bucks, but now i have the perl and vermec, plus the river rocks to line the bottom so the small stuff doesnt come thru.
rocks were 7 bucks, already have the perl and verm
saved 15 bucks

point 4 was airpump for main bucket
needed it no matter what, got the 2 port so i can run a bubbler in the bottom of the bucket.
spent 10, needed it anyways

point 5 was air pump for mini cloner gizmo, using one from the internal filter, included, FREEBIE
saved 5 bucks

point 6 was nutes, and i still need them. trip to hyd shop tomorow

point 7 was ph up n down n tester, a kit at the same shop tomorow

it looks like i can start sprouting something tonight:D

i saved a total of 35 bucks which means my spending for the rest is offset by 1/2.

not too bad i guess, aye?

[Rock.Steady]

hey Zeb, yeah, im gonna give it a try.
im pretty handy as has been demonstrated, and thanks for the kudos on the cloner. i used the model by MVP to fashion it from and tweaked it here n there as i saw fit. WH wanted a 12 site unit, and what WH wants, WH gets,LOL:D

i tested my mini cloner and it rocks.:thumbsup:
i think ill be able to use a different top and use it as a rapid rooter-bubbler too. the mind is always going, if you listen closely, you can hear the wheels spinning

im tending to agree with WH in a big way, she's gotten to know me pretty well. so, ill try 1, and see how it goes.:cool:

like ive said, if i cant get better yield, this is a waste of time.
its all about return on investment, time and money....
not to mention my sanity, or whats left of it.

so, for less than a 100 buck expense, sure ill try it. i have everything else,,,,or,,,,i think i do.:wtf:

[MVP]

Good stuff bro, glad to see you are taking the Plunge.... pun intended... anyhow, I use hydroton and it works for me but you have to 'season' it, :wtf: kinda like oldtimers seasoned their frying pans. Once broken in you will not get PH fluctuations and all is good. Hound has issues with HT, but they can be conquered without too much stress (on the grower, that is...)

Welcome to the dark side, your yields are about to triple.... :D

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Except basic rules still apply......you are NOT going to get a good yield messing around with these plants the way you love to do so much. If we are going down the same route here only in water you are on your own if you can't keep your hands off them.....fair warning :wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

i been running pretty manic today with all the goings on, but its been a really happy day:D

i will get the hydroton tomorrow with the other things.
and yes, WH said i would need to soak it, and yes, i also have real iron skillets, i get the seasoning analogy:thumbsup:

no matter what, i needed something to germinate in anyways.
this stuff is pretty amazing once it gets wet, it actually stuck together like a sandcastle when i plopped it out into my hand.
i mixed it 50-50 verm-perl

umm, i guess i need to start a new thread:wtf:

and,,,,yes, got it mom;)

[Weedhound]

:D :thumbsup: It'll be good!!

[denial102]

good stuff man :)

Peace,
Denial

[Rock.Steady]

ok, and then this mornin as i'm reachin for the clipboard to make a few notes, what do my bleary eyes see????

if i recall correctly, mom used to say these lil ladies are good luck and actually eat the bad bugs i believe.

well, i carefully put her in the grow room on one of Galina's lower leaves. my only worry is if she winds up stuck to the fly ribbon i have hanging in there, that would suck.:wtf:
it was kinda funny watchin her scurry across the paper when i poked her in the butt with an old shriveld leaf :D

[MVP]

Lady Bugs = Good Luck

Nice find Rock, hope she sticks around a while in the garden.

[Weedhound]

I can't believe he took a photo of a lady bug......:D

[Rock.Steady]

i actually took 3. this one came out best;)

the new log is started. (see sig line)
most of my QC testing is done.
out to pick up the rest of my new stuff.
back in a while:cool:

[Weedhound]

Having trouble connecting to your new thread.

[Rock.Steady]

Thanks WH, fixed it:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

a few pics? sure why not.

first 4 are Galina, doin her thing. ending week 7

last one is the group in the veg bunker, ending week 4.:D

[zebulon]

WOW:eek:....Galina is one pretty awesome looking lady....:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

in a cameo role, we'd like to introduce Galina-II

i wasnt sure if this cut would endure, but it has.
I originally took this in week 6-flower.
17 days later, i am conviced those center leaves are growing.
soon i will be able to see some roots and will have a strong female Blue Russian Mom.:yippee:

Galina has endured far more manipulation than she should have been exposed to.
one good thing about that, is i now know just how hardy this particular girl is and i expect this clone should exhibit the same traits, and hopefully all the cuts, yet to come.:D

[MVP]

Sounds promising Rock, I hope she roots for you and produces lots of offspring. That late in flower is possible but not easy, so that is very cool! :cool:

[Rock.Steady]

just realized i forgot the pix. DOH

[Rock.Steady]

Thanks MVP

time for a lil pic update on Galina.

end of week 8, begining week 9

[Rock.Steady]

few more

last one is the gang in the veg bunker.

i need to make some changes and will in next couple days

[zebulon]

Hey Rock...Galina looks very good, she looks much healthier than last time and those buds are BIG & beautiful....
I see the "little" ones are growing too....nice :thumbsup:
I hope your wet adventures will be a success, but if not(which i doubt whit WH's help), you will have a great backup whit those "little" ones....

[Rock.Steady]

The invasion continues folks, :S2:

these pics taken a few days ago.
Galina is just now ending week 10

the Introduction of "M" who joined Galina, a week prior, in flower as a lil experiment in week 6 of veg.

Monday MARIA showed us a couple hairs.:woohoo:

as you might see, all i did was very slight LST to open the 2 main shoots to the lowers, and they caught up in about a day.
i also only topped once in veg.
i will let Maria do her thing at her pace, no more manipulation.
I am still convinced the bleaching was an indirect effect of using the LL. but it will not stop me.
i backed off the dose level and it was much better.

one other detail.
i took the 2 bottom small shoots as clones as soon as she showed sex.:cool:
they are in plugs and domed under mild 24/7, 75/20w-5000'k cfls

[hydrocannabis]

hey rock UR buds R looking badass.

and UR other plant is also looking badass also.



U should come over and have a looksee at my plant/buds.
the buds look like dimonds on a stick.

well peace out for now. G2G party now be back later.
:thumbsup: :jointsmile: :D :thumbsup:

[MVP]

Pic 2 looks like one nice healthy plant! Good stuff Rock!

[Weedhound]

If you aren't checking trichs at this point then you should be.....:)

[Rock.Steady]

thanks gang, and i will check in on all of ya soon, work been killin me.

yes WH, been checkin, startin to go cloudy, waitin on some ambers;)

[Weedhound]

:thumbsup:

[smok3y]

Wow:thumbsup:
Nice buds man..

Your other plants are looking nice and hhealthy man..

[Rock.Steady]

I related news, "O" and "P" have entered the flower room at week 7 veg.
as you can see, they are taller than galina, but we all know how much LST she went thru,,,more like HST:wtf:

btw- Galina is starting week 11, just starting to cloud up a bit here n there.

[zebulon]

Rock, the plants look great...especially that in the back, it will be a big one....:thumbsup:
I have a theory about amber trichomes...i think in lower temps it takes them longer to appear...you know, when a trichome is dying it becomes an amber trich, so i think in higher temps they dry out and die faster...but this is just a theory...

Btw...how is the wet experiment going ??

[Rock.Steady]

thanks everyone.
yeah Zeb, updates in the wet log.;)

[Rock.Steady]

late breaking news item.

as it turns out,

"O" stands for Oksana, welcome Oksana.

"P" stands for Petra, welcome Petra.

when Galina is done (took a sample, we'll see) there will still be 3 russian girlies in there.:D

[Rock.Steady]

just a thought.

i could throw a porta-scrog on one of the smaller ones.? :wtf:

thoughts?

?:wtf:

[Weedhound]

:wtf:

[daihashi]

and i dont have the fancy-assed lighting setups u guys got.

did u forget i only have a 250w HPS?
and use CFL's for veg?
given those factors i disagree with "small"
why do you think i got so incredibly excited about the possible benefits of liquid light?


I vegged for 8 weeks under CFL's and have been flowering for 25 days now. It's probably only grown about 6 inches vertically since I put it into flowering.

This plant if stood up straight would probably be 3 ft, the longest side shoot/main cola is about 2 ft and the canopy average is about 1-1.5ft.

Personally, albeit small, I think your plant looks great! :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

man your buds look really tasty and crystally. I can't wait to read the smoke report from you on this.

:stoned:

[Rock.Steady]

sample taken today.
looks like alotta cloudies.

we'll see. maybe another week.:pimp:

[daihashi]

sample taken today.
looks like alotta cloudies.

we'll see. maybe another week.:pimp:

Did you smoke it yet? What's the report? :stoned:

[Rock.Steady]

well, keep in mind i only dried it a day.

helped it along a lil w the hot desklamp trick.:wtf:

umm, yeah, got high, no doubt.
tatsed a lil early tho, prolly from fast-dry
i will say, the smoke was heavy, couldnt hold a big hit long.
i think i will really enjoy it when properly dried, Thanks WH;)


now on to current events...

the next phase of flowerroom change is underway.
knocked down the veg bunker.

made a deck 12 in high.
hung the lite way down.
just look at all that verticle space:jawdropper:
Galina is done in a week.
Maria is in flower about 2 weeks, so far.
Petra and Oksana are in flower less than a week.

Weedhound was right. i messed with the girls way too much in the past.
i practically ignored these and look whats happening.
i am now preparing for verticle growth.








oh, and look, what have we here?
a sneak preview?????
coming soon to a grow log near you,,,,Strawberry Haze,,,,,2 sprouts already in dirt
WH should do a hydro-ASH grow so we can compare notes:cool:

and would someone please tell me what all these numbers on the label mean???:wtf:
the THC i get, and that looks good, i guess, but, whats that other stuff about?

[Weedhound]

Hey how come that plants leaves are all burned and curled?

Be VERY careful lsting those Rock.....I've snapped them right off in the past.

They look good :thumbsup:

Ha ha I studied that packaging for quite awhile before I figure it out. That packaging you sent went into my keepsake box for sure. :thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

Hey how come that plants leaves are all burned and curled?

Be VERY careful lsting those Rock.....I've snapped them right off in the past.

They look good :thumbsup:

Ha ha I studied that packaging for quite awhile before I figure it out. That packaging you sent went into my keepsake box for sure. :thumbsup:

I'm not LSTing them.
i'm leaving em go and do whatever they want.
the only curling i know about is on Galina, the older leaves gettin eaten.
but thats all part of the process ive always seen?


the packaging, yeah!
LOL, yeah, really cool how they made that spinnable, clamshell thingy. i figured with the hole knocked out already, you'd get it eventually;)
glad you like it, figured it'd be a cool collector piece.
I'm saving mine too.:cool:
and the White Widows were recvd in the real Nirvana packs, about the size of playing cards.
i have some pretty cool friends:D

that Strwbry haze has an awesome writeup, and i know ur a new fan of haze.
with that in mind, you may want to grow a mom and clone it.
or maybe even hermie one if you really like it later on.
im gonna try to stretch these beans out.
actually, now that i have so many fems, im running out of space.
i still have the bluebery mystery bush (very bonsai and bushy), galina's clone (strugglin, but growin) the 2 ASH sprouts, and 2 clones from Maria. and thats not to mention the two SNLxNL hydro sprouts i have:wtf:
im suddenly flooded with fems, and runnin outta space QWIK!:jawdropper:

[Weedhound]

Damn dude I think you have more plants going than I do.

And ps.....you're sugar leaves shouldn't burn up like that. Looks like overnute or ph (but I think overnute and too much bloom booster.)

[Rock.Steady]

a couple weeks ago, i did go a lil heavy on the Big Bloom, but its organic. figured i might be ok.
i have been going just water to flush it out a bit, preppin for the final cut.
i wasnt usin any booster, just a simple 2 part soil grow.
Grow Big and Big Bloom.

but, i did buy something recently,,,that i didnt tell u about:wtf:


check it out
http://www.generalhydroponics.com/genhydro_US/images/products/nutrients_buffers/koolbloom/Liquid_KoolBloom.jpg

LIQUID KOOLBLOOMâ?¢
Bulking Formula

â?¢ Forces abundant flowering.
â?¢ Boosts production of essential oils and fragrances.
â?¢ Increases size and weight of fruits and flowers.
â?¢ Precisely formulated to enhance the performance of all types of nutrients.

Liquid KoolBloom is a is a bulking agent that goes way beyond other bloom boosters. Enriched with stress reducing vitamins and nutrient transporting acids, Liquid KoolBloom promotes heavy production of essential oils, fantastic flavors, and increases fruiting and flower development.

Liquid KoolBloom is instantly soluble in your reservoir and immediately available for plant uptake. Liquid KoolBloom is precisely formulated to enhance the performance of GH's Flora, Nova, and Maxi series nutrients.

Liquid KoolBloom should be used at the start of the reproductive cycle initiating larger, heavier fruits and flowers. During the last two weeks, use Dry KoolBloom for an additional bloom boost and to facilitate ripening.

[Weedhound]

Well your sugar leaves are all burned up so I supposed that could burn up the rest of your buds.....:wtf: Rock you really need to learn the less is more route. You quite simply won't get away with that in hydro.

PS....Thanks VERY much for the Arjans Haze seeds....going to pop one in my next grow for SURE!! :thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

WH, next time you see me, u can hit me as hard as u want.:wtf:

this is amazing, and proof that i shoulda listened to u closer before.

Maria, Petra and Oksana are Thriving,.,,.,.and i have basically ignored them for the most part.

Maria is on day 17 at 24 inches tall.
Petra and Oksana on day 6 are 18 inches.

its simply too simple to see that i obviously messed with and stressed all my others previous to this far too much.
this is amazing growth, for what ive ever seen.

and Galina is crustier than ive ever seen:cool:

and i just took inventory and created a spreadsheet.
i have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much happening and about to happen.
not sure how this will all turn out.:wtf:

and a few more pix yet,,,,,,;)

[Rock.Steady]

few more.

enjoy:cool:

by the way
these are alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

BLUE RUSSIANS:cool:

[daihashi]

few more.

enjoy:cool:

by the way
these are alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

BLUE RUSSIANS:cool:

at what week did the buds start to really look like buds for you?

[Rock.Steady]

Well your sugar leaves are all burned up so I supposed that could burn up the rest of your buds.....:wtf: Rock you really need to learn the less is more route. You quite simply won't get away with that in hydro.

PS....Thanks VERY much for the Arjans Haze seeds....going to pop one in my next grow for SURE!! :thumbsup:

That's Arjan's Strawberry Haze my dear.;)

2 things you like.:pimp:
haze
and
fruit flavors

enjoy!:D
i already sprouted 2 in soil.
i'll start a log when they get bigger.
the write up i read said the strawberry aroma and taste was more pronounced in soil when compared to hydro.

[Rock.Steady]

at what week did the buds start to really look like buds for you?


this post was around week 4-5.
post (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/145775-blue-russians-invade-flower-room-4.html#post1792877)
but, after 9-10 wks of veg,
including
2 toppings
and LST
and Scrog

she was dramatically stressed by my over anxious enthusiasm

but, did not hermie.
i cut a clone in week 6 flwr because i paniced over a rash of males.
that clone is still alive, and slowly coming around and will eventually be a fairly hearty mom, i hope.

[Weedhound]

Dude my fucking cat ate my Master Kush Seedling :mad: Right out of the hydro setup.

We spent yesterday catproofing the veg area. STRAWBERRRY :thumbsup: Haze is the next thing I will pop and it may be sooner than I planned...;)

Your ignored ones look good..:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

How's the hydro babies?

[bombdiggity]

i think his cat ate them

[Weedhound]

i think his cat ate them

LOL!

[Rock.Steady]

How's the hydro babies?

cat ate em, priceless.:)

nah, didnt happen.:wtf:

they are still here.:cool:
straightened out and look ok so far.
grown only a lil, but look healthy.
leafs came out strong on 1., other is laggin a lil.
waited on water for 2 days cause plugs n area was still moist.
gave em ph'd (yes i remembered) water yesterday.
will wait til a lil more b4 i post in the hydro-log.
prolly sunday.;)

[Weedhound]

Hmmm.....not growing fast....sounds like they are too wet....damn that rockwool.....did you presoak it good?

[Rock.Steady]

Dude my fucking cat ate my Master Kush Seedling :mad: Right out of the hydro setup.
if u ask me, he/she's trying to tell u something.
possible jelousy.
maybe grow him/her some catnip? (similar plant family i've heard)


STRAWBERRRY :thumbsup: Haze is the next thing I will pop and it may be sooner than I planned...;)

i'm guessing u'll love it, as long as the grow cycle isnt too long for ur patience.:wtf:
-we know ur growing affection for the 'haze' family.
-youve mentioned u like the fruitiful strains...

should be right up ur alley.:thumbsup:


Your ignored ones look good..:thumbsup:

its amazing, how ur simpest and most repeated advice ("leave them alone","stop stressing them"etc,etc), turns out to be remarkably effective

i am officially the dope of the day:wtf:
like i said, just smack me upside the head when u see me:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

You sort of ARE a poster boy for "loving them" almost to death. Every time you popped back on with some sort of "improvement" I would cringe.....

And you know what's funny? I decided to try growing after watching a friend of mine grow outdoors and I had like one old seed.....put it in a pot and ignored it all summer (and yep....dirt from around the house) and she grew up to a couple of joints which I really thought was the bee knees . :D And since I was so successful at it the next summer I went for the big outdoor numbers...and ....well....you know. :wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

Hmmm.....not growing fast....sounds like they are too wet....damn that rockwool.....did you presoak it good?

ooo, this theory doesnt sound great.
is there something about RW u may have mentioned and i may have missed/forgotten?

listen, the 'instructions' on presoaking, werent really 'instructions'. it just said you 'could' presoak, with ur nutes, right in the bag they were packaged in.

ive been trying to stay aware of how wet or not the plugs are.

im using them on a few things.
-the 2 SNLxNH seedlings in the hydro setup.
-the 2 ASH seedlings i planted into soil and planted the plugs (is that bad?)
-the 2 clone cuttings from Maria (one is rooting like crazy, the other a lil less)

i do notice, they stay moist longer, but i'm trying to compensate til the roots get beyond the plugs.

the dam write-up on these things did sound very positive:wtf:

is there a wooly expert we need to consult?

[Weedhound]

There was no instruction about pre-soaking them at the correct ph overnite?

[Rock.Steady]

You ARE a poster boy for "loving them" almost to death. Every time you popped back on with some sort of "improvement" I would cringe.....
i have come to realize that this is a true statement.:wtf:
and i editted it for u, u were too nice;)



And you know what's funny? I decided to try growing after watching a friend of mine grow outdoors and I had like one old seed.....put it in a pot and ignored it all summer (and yep....dirt from around the house) and she grew up to a couple of joints which I really thought was the bee knees . :D And since I was so successful at it the next summer I went for the big outdoor numbers...and ....well....you know. :wtf:
well, im sure that 1st seed of urs wasnt as old as my first, but i can imagine ur excitement.
and then there is that tragic story of genocide, yikes!:wtf:
im still convinced u just have a crazy paranoia of soil.
i understand all the coincidences, but, i think it was just extraordinarily strange luck.
Perhaps, Mother Nature is simply testing you:wtf::D

or screwin with ur head,,,,for sick kicks:wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

There was no instruction about pre-soaking them at the correct ph overnite?

nope, not at all.

this is the only literature.

[Weedhound]

I'm sorry....I dont know the answer to the question about the plugs and soil. I will call my hydro guy tomorrow and ask.....;)

[Rock.Steady]

find out if he has any wool-specific advice.

you recomend what? these 'rapid rooters'?

ill look around the website at the other place fairly nearby.
i'd like to try to stay to the simpler products, if i can.:cool:

[Weedhound]

Yes....i'm learning to clone with them (the rr's) but let me talk to THE BRAIN first. :D

[Rock.Steady]

ok, i can chill.
plenty to stay occupied with, just with what i have goin on.

u lemme kno.
thx:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

send those logging guys from the History channel.
i was forced to raise the light 6 inches today.
they grew PAST and AROUND it.:wtf:
I may need some help here:jawdropper:

looks like Galina comes down within the next 5-10 days, about 3-5% ambers showin.

[Shovelhandle]

That scrog in front is looking delicious, Rock Steady. Is that also a blue russian?

WH, so is that what became of the Master Kush you started with the Redwoods? Nasty kitty! <G>

Shov

[Rock.Steady]

That scrog in front is looking delicious, Rock Steady. Is that also a blue russian?

WH, so is that what became of the Master Kush you started with the Redwoods? Nasty kitty! <G>

Shov

thanks for stoppin in, yeah Shovl, its like a communist party in that room!,
only the 1 on the front right is not (either Blueberry or MangoKush, donator was unclear which, its very low and bushy, sitting on a small speaker to keep up on light with the others even tho they are all the same age.)

and the dramatic difference in Galina (front and center) and those TREES behind her?
Galina endured 2 toppings, LST and then the porta-Scrog.
Far too much stress as WH warned me, but i was out of control.:wtf:
the 3 trees??? topped once and basically ignored.:wtf:
i am this weeks idiot:wtf:

im figuring Galina will pull down around 30-40 g's.

those trees yeild are currently anybody's guess, we'll see in about 5 or 6 weeks.

[Rock.Steady]

and while im at it.
some close ups
and super close ups using a loup and the closeup
sorry for the hps yellowing
but, look at all them trichs, yummy:D

i have 10 more pix, 2 more posts.

entering week 13 tomorow, chopping this week fo'sho'
waitin on more ambers.

[Rock.Steady]

5 more, and the super closeups.


1 more post


enjoy:D

[Rock.Steady]

last set.

samples were heavy tokin, n knocked me around.
will be very happy when dried properly and cured.

[rottenfork]

they look great man really great:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

CHOP-CHOP:chainsaw:

the sample mini-nugs i clipped last night were speed-dried for bioassay
1 small nug in da bowl made a happy camper, after a crappy day:D

so i decided she was coming down, RIGHT NOW:wtf:

as u may notice i have taken a few samples in the past 2 weeks.

wet weights as shown in pic
10g
26g
30g
23g
23g

and i prolly took about 10-15g (wet) in samples over past 2 weeks.

she'll b hangin around for a week:cool:

even at 25% of wet, i think im lookin around 30g:D

[Rock.Steady]

Oksana, Petra and Maria are having a freakin flower party!

Maria (front right) has been in flower exactly 4 weeks and is a flower-machine.
Oksana (left) and Petra (back right) are in day 18 of flower, 10 days behind Maria.
Maria and Oksana are 30 inches tall.
Petra is the over-achiever at 39 inches as of today.:jawdropper:
Of course, all coming from seed, genetics could be slightly favored one to another, but, this will be an interesting comparison of the growth cycle = yeild on the Blue Russian strain for me.

without any doubt whatsoever, this will set a personal best for me.
this is phenominal as far as i'm concerned.

one other interesting note-
i lifted Maria in the air, to look if any root was coming out the bottom,,,,,
there was 1 thick root which lead to a rootmass almost as big as a dollar bill laying in the drip tray in a lil puddle of runoff.
the roots were white and healthy as hell!!!:wtf:

i paniced and set it back down and walked out without a pic.

is this a problem??? should i do anything about it????????:wtf:


btw- the blueberry-mangokush mystery plant was a male, oh well.

[zebulon]

Hey Rock, congrats for the harvest, nice work man...:thumbsup: and the Russians look real good, you will have a big yield soon....:hippy:
sorry can't rep ya..

[hydrocannabis]

they look great rock.

but i'd probly top that tollest one.and end up with 2 colas insted of just 1 cola.

I did that to 1 of my plants a few grows back and it worked out well. and when I toped that plant she stoped gettin so tall.

[Rock.Steady]

haha, i already topped all 3 during veg.
i decided this grow would be simplified dramatically.

i only topped once in veg and decided to mostly ignore them.

so, actually, all 3 plants will have 2 colas.
Maria's colas are developing fast and tight, this is part of my learning about this strain. if i remember correctly, WH said this is a 5week/5week strain when she grows it hydro.
Maria was in veg 4.5 weeks. and took 6 days for preflower.
Oksana and Petra were in veg for 6 weeks and took 2 days for preflower.
so, in actual "flowering" time, they are only seperated by 1 week.

in the big picture, thanks for the idea, but i am not chancing stressing her at all with a topping.
I can still raise the light another foot higher if i need to.
I already promised them i wouldnt molest them at all in this grow.

[Rock.Steady]

so, what do you think about THAT???:wtf:

[smok3y]

Congrats man :thumbsup:

Nice grow man..Buds look awsome:jointsmile:

[MVP]

Looks good Rock, but don't top in Flower or it will extend the harvest time and diminish yield in my experience...

[Rock.Steady]

thanks gang
MVP, i agree, i have aggitated every grow, 'cept this one. i like the results so far and wont risk known stress factors.

it appears most of the growing-race might be over with.
they seem to be converting to flower-power.
this week i did water with Big Bloom and threw in a half-dose of Kool Bloom. they have been thirsty and drying the soil faster than i ever saw, but, they never got this tall either.

today's stats (somebody pinch me, i must be dreaming)
Maria 30 inch
Oksana 33 inch
Petra 39 inch.

the reason they are at even heights in the pics is because i put boxes under them to keep them even with the light and have adjusted as needed depending on their activity.

I do have a concern about the lower section of the plants and light penetration.
anyone think i should maybe throw a couple cfls in the bottom?




info:
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General Hydroponics Feed Chart - PDF format

Hydroponics:
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[Weedhound]

SHIT where have I been? Those look GREAT! Who tied YOUR hands behind your back and away from the all the "helping"??

I AM going to hit you when I see you......:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Rock...you need to put that plant in a bigger pot........and maybe the others as well.

[zebulon]

Yeah....they look gr8....:thumbsup:

[Rock.Steady]

Rock...you need to put that plant in a bigger pot........and maybe the others as well.

1st a question,
wont a pot change now, stress them???

2nd,
im not sure if i "can" repot them...they'r f'n huge:wtf:

whats the chance i can let em ride, as is?

[Rock.Steady]

SHIT where have I been? Those look GREAT! Who tied YOUR hands behind your back and away from the all the "helping"??

I AM going to hit you when I see you......:wtf:

thats what happens when i work 6 days a week, on a rigid schedule.:wtf:

the workin sux,:(
the plants ROCK!:D

[Rock.Steady]

wet weights as shown in pic
10g
26g
30g
23g
23g

and i prolly took about 10-15g (wet) in samples over past 2 weeks.

ok, i took more samples over last few days, because i can:cool:

dry and in the jar.
25g dry, on hand, so my initial calc of approx 30-40 whole, was prolly right as ive smoked around 5+g in samples by my estimates.
i can now share the joy:D
Thanks WH:thumbsup:

used a grinder on a few micro nugs while trimmin lumber.
lit up, pic below;)
tastes nice, fresh, but nice.
roommate(hasnt smoked for 6 months) says its some of the sweetest-fruitiest he smelled in years,
burns nice
kinda creeps up
got pretty stony while snappin todays pics.
feelin very happy right now.
relaxed, and focused too
overall, very f'n pleazzzed:smokin:

thats my initial Galina smoke report.:cool:

so, about a z from a plant i topped twice, lst'd and scrogged?
what, 8+/- weeks veg and 12.5 wks flower.
thats not bad for an over-anxious rookie.
i'll take it.:cool:

[Rock.Steady]

Maria and Oksana are 30 inches tall.
Petra is the over-achiever at 39 inches as of today.

well, that was then.
im a lil worried i may have created a monster.
Maria is surely done with growing and is concentrating on budzbudzbudz!
she is still 30 inch.

Oksana is now 34 inches.
Petra is now 42 (yes i said fourty-two) inches tall.:wtf:

WH, how big do these things get???:wtf:

i went pic crazy, enjoy.:stoned:
blue russian porn, more pix, next post:cool:

holy crap 42 f'n inches, i gottsa raise the dam lite again.
what have i done? when will the madness end?

[Rock.Steady]

ok, few more:cool:

[Weedhound]

You're going to need to LST...and I don't know that much about soil but I'm not at all sure a rootbound plant will finish for you......sorry Rock, I just don't know enough in the soil realm.

My question is how much do you want to chance it with a nice plant like that?

CONGRATS on your harvest!! :thumbsup: She's a nice smoke isn't she?

LST and larger pots........they have a ways to go. ;)

[Weedhound]

GENTLY and SLOWLY with the LST ......what gets snapped off now won't grow back ;)

[Rock.Steady]

WHAT????????

TELL ME U R KIDDING?

[Weedhound]

Kidding about what? THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO!!!

[Rock.Steady]

hound, i cant even think what a nightmare trying to lst these would be.

and it would have to be a shock to transplant????

4 more weeks, 5 tops???

[Rock.Steady]

ur killin me,.

u say i stress em too much
u say leave em alone
i finally leave em alone
now they grow
now go mess with em

someone please hit me in the head with a hammer:wtf:

[Weedhound]

You're just going to bend the tops a little bit....just have to bend them about 6-8 inches over time.

Rock...the roots are GROWING OUT THE BOTTOM of your pot.....:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Let me get a hammer......:D

They're going to grow up into your light Rock. How much room can you make for them vertically? You need about another foot....do you have that much room?

[Rock.Steady]

yes, i can give another foot

i dont even know how i could transplant these.
i'd need 5 gal buckets???