My first grow

[deaner]

Thought I'd put this here so maybe someone can see it and give me pointers. My plants are about 3 and a half weeks, they look good, to me anyway. Just started them on 600wt mh, and pure blend pro grow, mixed to about 1/4 strength. One plant is about 4 days older than the other 2. Temb keeps hovering around 88-90, I know thats probably too hot. I don't know when to feed them again, I didn't use much, 2 look dry already, but I felt moisture a couple inches down so will water tommorow. Got a ph tester, keeps saying 7, so maybe it needs a battery or I'm stupid. or stoned. or both. I got the whole start of this log in plant problems, I know there is a way to link it or copy it? Help? Will get some fresh pics tommorow, hopefully. These pics are last day under flourescents and without fertilizer. Today they are already looking better, thicker, I can't believe how fast the stalk thickens!

[deaner]

Its friday night, I should be sleeping, gotta work in an hour or so. Are they looking good? When should I add "sweet" to the fert. mix? How often should I give them fert? Can I flower em and get a ton of buds yet??

[deaner]

Oh, in case you cant tell, the flourescents are off, and under the girls I can remove those tubs when they start getting too tall. I need dedicated mentors to watch my log closely. Watch my log..

[atsar]

you can flower now if you like,i usually start mine flowering after 3 weeks or so to try and keep them kinda short,if you find my grow log you'll see plants that have been vegged for between 3 and 4 weeks before switching to 12/12,they weren't that big when i switched them 16 days ago,but it's amazing how much they grow in flower,3 have about doubled in size over last 16 days and the other is even bigger than that,it's gone from 10 inches to 26 inches in last 16 days,and that height doesn't take into consideration the fact i bent the main stem,i guess it just depends how big you want your plants to be,and remember it's possible for your plants to double or even triple in height during flower

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Looking great so far!!!

I see you want to maximize your yeild. To do this you neet to start LST. You need some wire coat hangers, cut it into pieces 6'' to 8'' long, bend one end to have a resemblance of a fish hook. Now take the plant and bend it over until the top of the stem is parraell to the soil, now take the coat hanger hook and line it up so it isinbetween 2 nodes near the top that is strong enough to hold the plant down, push the hook into the soil, then just leave it. In less than 6 hours the top will already start growing to the light, and the nodes will show growth in 2 days. Keep repeating this for the entire veg cycle and all them branches from the nodes will turn into big colas in flowering. Probably triple your yeild.

I have a good demo of this going in my log. ''2nd grow from cloans and THC Bomb from seeds" anb results in my log '' final veg and flower white widow and mystery seed.

Wish you the best of luck and we will be here for you your entire grow just keep posting.

[deaner]

LST? Hmm, maybe start on the oldest, since I've already been bendin her a little. I will try and find a chance to really research LST, is it similar to using zip ties? Double or triple?! Thats what I need, a nice quick, fat first grow. How soon til I learn the sex?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

About 1 week into flower you can tell the sex, I veg untill my space is full then go to 12/12. Wait one week pull the males this opens space for the females to flower.

[deaner]

left to right: finger pointing to twisty tie location, view from the front, and from above. Hows she lookin? They all got a little water today, very dry and light. Next time fert?

[deaner]

So if this looks good, maybe I should LST the other two?

[HateHeaven]

I plan to LST also, let me know how it goes :jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Looks good, you got the basics, down.
I see you went to 12/12 already, I would like too see you wait a week or more. No big deal if you did, it will still work. Now what will happen is all them small branches will start growing even with the main top and you will have 4 or more colas instead of one.
If you start a new grow start doing LST when they are 6'' tall or starting first set of 5 finger leaves. Then continue tying anything that grows 3'' vertical so your plant is never more than 6'' tall the entire veg cycle which is untill the bucket is full. This took a 5 1/2 week veg on my last grow, but worth it, for my current grow I am going to try a 6 to 7 week veg with cloans and grow some monsters this way.

Deaner btw I just looked back at some pics looks like you have a lot of space next grow you could start with 8 to 12 plants from seed or around 6 cloans, you can grow 1 plant per every 1.5 sq. ft.

[deaner]

And if I use LST how much yeild should I be shooting for? 6 females grown with lst would= ? I think I will tie up the other 2 tommorow. Should they stay tied or do you undo the tie after a while. I am still on 24 on by the way, wont flower til they are twice as big or when I get some seeds or clones. With a 600wt mh, becoming hps to flower, how many plants could I think about growing at one time?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I have a 600w also. A 600w will cover a 4'x4' area perfectly, I start off with 16 at seed in 2 gallon buckets, I LST to keep the plants canopy at 6'' to 8'' until the grow space is full horizontally, then stop LST and let them grow vertical for 1 week or until the canopy is 12'' to 16'' tall then take cuttings from all the plants from the really small branches at the bottom that will never grow into a large bud or cola. Then go to 12/12, after a week you will be able to definitely be able to sex the plants, remove the males, transplant the girls into 5 gallon buckets and give the girls plenty of room to become ladies. You can then toss the cloans from the males.
Then when your first crop is finished flowering your cloans are ready to go in the box. And so on and so on.

Oh yah! you can flower a max of 9 in a 4'x4' space this way.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well we covered LST now lets see what you are using for nutes. There are 2 ingredients that stay consitant in both my veg and flowering (not germination or seedlings, use only plane water for them) is 3 Tbls of hyrogen peroxide and 1 1/2 Tbls of mollases per gallon of water. The hydrogen peroxide promotes root growth because it has a radical oxygen atom that is easily absorbed by the roots and the mollases provides sugars needed for all around growth. I then add low amounts of nutes spaciffic for the stage of growth. Right now for you I would recommend Fox Farm big bloom in doses reccomended on the bottel for every watering. Then switch to Tiger Bloom just before going to 12/12. You do not have to use FF nutes just make sure you follow the directions for every watering
I feel it is better to keep a constant weak nute program then a high powred shot every other watering. Less chance of burning the roots.
Well that about covers it for now.
Keep posting your progress.

[deaner]

I've fertilized with Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Gro twice now, today, and 2 days ago, its mixed weak. Can I add the peroxide, mollasses to this, or is it fine by itself? Guess I will tie up the third tonight after work. 9 plants sounds perfect, how much per plant could I shoot for? Next round I will start 20 seeds, hopefully end up with 9 strong females.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I haven't made it to harvest yet but from seed it is looking like I am going to get more than 2 oz from my best female and around 2 oz from 6 others and more than 1 oz. the last 2 runts. So a good estimate is 2 oz. per plant with a 6 week veg. this is very dependant on strain and conditions during grow though. But your conditions are very similar to mine. I don't think you mentioned what strain your growing. Do you know? Looks indica dominant by the leaves to me, this is good for big thick and heavy buds.

And yes go ahead and start the mollases and hydrogen peroixide in your next watering. And yes it works by itself. I have never used the nute your using what are the nutriant numbers for it? ie. 26/12/12.

[SantaClawz]

Lookin very healthy. :greenthumb:

[deaner]

this stuff says: 3-1.5-4 premium organic plant food for vegetative growth formula, and adding the Sweet next feeding, which is basically the same as the mollasis I think. Can I clip leaves if they are blocking the light from hitting the colas? The one is pretty bushy and the leaves are giving alot of shade.

[atsar]

your using a 600 watt HID right?plus cannabis specific nutes?2 oz per plant seems a little low to be shooting for i reckon,i use 400 watts and never veg more than 4 weeks,use orchid feed for veg and african violet feed and cactus feed for flowering and the odd mollasses,no fancy nutes designed for cannabis,no bloom boosters,yet average 4 oz per plant(had 6 from one),you should maybe set your sights just a little higher,i mean i'd be pretty disappointed with 2 oz per plant if i'm honest,and i'm no expert

[atsar]

oh,and if you can try tucking the leaves under the colas they're blocking or pull them out the way rather than cutting them off

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Atsar,
Thanks for the corection, I was not sure and gave a conservitive number, it is hard to guess weight being so far from harvest.

[atsar]

yeah man,it's a hard thing to estimate is final yeilds and even harder to get an answer too,there's just too many variables,lights nutes ventilation strain etc,but it helps to know what other people are pulling per plant,my 1st plant was a proper runt only 18 inches tall when i harvested and i was expecting like a half ounce based on what i was told yet i got 2 oz from it

[deaner]

Oh yeah, they are looking good. Still need to add SWEET to my nute jug. Probably start em on that tommorow. They really suckin up the fluids!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

Merry Christmas,

They look droopy, also you have some yellowing leaves. Do you have a moisture meter? How much and how often are you watering and what is your pot size? droopy leaves are a sign of underwatering, as for the leaves I need more info from above to properly diognose.

[deaner]

I water whenever the pot feels light, and the top looks dry, I am afraid to water too much because I was told the yellowing was from OVERwatering. I'm confused. And whether or not to use the nutes everytime I water them.. I' ve never heard of a moisture meter.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Forgot one thing, you can remove the leaves that are blocking light to new growth, this will promote new growth. I remove the leaves that point straight up to the light and straight down into the soil and leave the ones that are horizontal when doing LST.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

WTF just wrote a post and never made it on here

Oh well try again,

Deaner,

A moisture meter is a tool with a prob that you stick into the soil and lets you know the moisture content of the soil at differant depths. When I first started to use mine I found I was not watering enough for fear of the same thing you are "OVER WATERING" but when I used the meter I found the soil at the bottom of the pot was dry. So to counter this problem there are 2 ways 1st is to water slowly (around 16 oz a miniute) until water comes out the bottom of the pot. 2nd is to break up where you water if you have drainage saucers with high sides 1" or more water 2/3 on top and 1/3 on the bottom, the soil will act like a sponge and soak up the water from the bottom.
After using the meter for a couple of weeks, I noticed when the plants need water the leaves at the very top of the plant are at the 3 to 4 o'clock position, when the plant is happy and has enough water they are at the 2 to 1 o'clock position.

[deaner]

Removed a few leaves, gave them the 1/4 strength pure blend, and sweet, givin them a little xmas treat. Temps are finally staying under 80, took the cover off the fan seemed to do the trick for some reason.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Great!! you got the temps in the 70's

BTW you can get a moisture meter at HD for $10 to $15

[deaner]

Now I realize with the fan, the grow rooms getting a little more obvious. Kids over for a night, by the time they come over again I gotta be a little less obvious. Without the big fan, the temp goes through the roof, so how to hide that? Gonna cut a big square hole in my door for the fan, and try to kinda work towards sealing the room (from light)comepletely so its ready for flowering.

[deaner]

Leaves still droopy, wondering if I can repot them for the last time yet, add some perlite and not have to repot at all? 3 gallon buckets be good? or do I need the 5? I'm so ready for some homegrown buds for my ever slim stash. Flowering is easy to prolong when you've got a bunch, not so easy when you run out.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I went back and looked at some of your pics, What are they currently in 1 gallon pots? if so 3 gallon will work, but if you can use 5 gallon that garentees they won't get root bound, As for temps you need to do something. If you are getting into the 90's that is not good and a cause for your droopy plants, repoting will help get more water to the leaves but you have got to get the temps down. I see you live in Alaska. Is there any way to get some outide air to them? that is what I use to cool my grow box.

You can flower at any time now! I would repot first wait a coulple of days for them to get over the shock then go to 12/12 , plus after transplant keep your plants tied down so the other branches will grow with the main cola during flower.

[deaner]

Flower already? I don't want to lose out on bud by flowering too early, but I guess, I'll think about it,and work on repotting. 5 gallon buckets would be ok, seem huge though! Temp is staying under 80 today, getting the fan right took a bit. 78 degrees is good right? I think I would get some tiny lil buds if I flower now..

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sorry you confused me in your previous post, You sounded desperate and were going to flower cycle no matter what.

78 is a good temp lets go ahead and transplant now you may be root bound already in the pots your using. Give a day or two for recovery then growth will start to pick up.

Transplant should be easy you will have a nice tight rootball, how I do a transplant is fill the bucket you are going to use about half way, pack down lightly, now take either an empty container you are currently using or with a plant in if an empty one is not available. Now place this pot in the new one check the hight of the top of the soil in the small contaner to where you want it in the new pot, add or remove soil from new contaner to adjust the hight. When you have the proper hight place the small pot in the large container and add soil in between the two pots and lightly pack down until the soil levels are even. Now remove the small pot gently from the new pot and you will have a perfectly shaped hole ready for the plant. Remove the plant from the small container and place in the hole in the new pot. Water with hydrogen peroxide and molasses water formula and you done.

[deaner]

No rush to flower. Just want lots of good sticky buds. Next batch of seeds will be here in about 2 weeks hopefully, then I will probably start flowering, and start the next batch, I ordered satori,speed queen, and cheese from mandala, or something like that. 10 each of the 3 I think. And I ordered some from I'm not sure, planetwax?? Got the classic pack, not remembering what that is though.. I gotta repot them, only have a couple 5 gallon buckets. I want to set up the grow closet to have 2 chambers, 1 for flowering, 1 for getting them to that point, run 2 crops at once. Then I could have around 6 batches a year of 9 or so plants, should be a good amout of buds for me. A couple pounds of bud every couple months would be perfect. Feels like I just repotted but they have grown quite a bit since then I guess.






Sorry you confused me in your previous post, You sounded desperate and were going to flower cycle no matter what.

78 is a good temp lets go ahead and transplant now you may be root bound already in the pots your using. Give a day or two for recovery then growth will start to pick up.

Transplant should be easy you will have a nice tight rootball, how I do a transplant is fill the bucket you are going to use about half way, pack down lightly, now take either an empty container you are currently using or with a plant in if an empty one is not available. Now place this pot in the new one check the hight of the top of the soil in the small contaner to where you want it in the new pot, add or remove soil from new contaner to adjust the hight. When you have the proper hight place the small pot in the large container and add soil in between the two pots and lightly pack down until the soil levels are even. Now remove the small pot gently from the new pot and you will have a perfectly shaped hole ready for the plant. Remove the plant from the small container and place in the hole in the new pot. Water with hydrogen peroxide and molasses water formula and you done.

[SmokeStack2]

Deaner your going to love the Cheese. Im growing a few Cheese Hybrid's myself. Good Luck with your grow.

[SmokeStack2]

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[deaner]

I repotted my oldest into a 2 gallon bucket, and put my un lst'd other one in the old gal pot. I know I will have to just repot again, but guess I'm adopting some new girls, octuplets, and they are bout ready to flower so I wll be flowering alot and also cloning alot real soon. Pickin up 8 tommororw hopefully, will let 2-4 go to a friend since he's been helpful to me getting started (I'm a Karma guy). So, yeah fer me huh? I wonder if I should lst the new girls too, they are all definate females, since they are clones, how fuckin sexy is that? 8 identical clone girls.. oh yeah I'm stoned.. I keep feeding them cuz they keep gettin dry, hopefully it's ok to do this, they seem to be enjoying it. It is hot and dry in there and very sunny, I'd be thirsty too, especially being made of plant, I get cotton mouth from smokin it, they ARE it. I need to take a break so I can enjoy mine, not have such a crazy tolerance they seem weak ya know?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Your sounding like Bradjolina for adopting all them girls.

Can you get some pics so we can see your progress? sounds like you are going to have a full grow and them some, your getting like me I went crazy with cloning now I got so many plants going, I am still trying to figure out how I am going to deal with them.

[deaner]

Pics when I find my damn camera, lil s.o.b. took off and hid somewhere on me. Room looks ready for the adoption, still haven't got ahold of the parent, oops there he was, later tonight 8pm ish. Damn it all! Oh well more time to prepare for the girls.

[deaner]

found it! here they are in all their glory, check out my set up is it ready for 6-8 more plants?

[SmokeStack2]

Looking good, Nice Growroom.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Looks very nice, your going to get a lot of nice ladies out of that!!
What are you using for odor control?

Your ladies look nice, good job with the transplant also.

Have you got a space for your veg and nursery box? your going to need it in about 2 weeks to start your second grow.

[deaner]

Thanks, the 600wt is kinda more to the back 1/3, think maybe I gotta move it more to the center when I start getting more plants. I really hope these other ones are nice liike they are supposed to be, was told a foot tall, but the guy that actually has them referred to them as small. Is a foot tall, small? Man I really hope they are big and nice and cloneable! Gonna need a way to keeps the smell down real soon, and cheap too.

[deaner]

Don't know how I am gonna make a seperate space, but it's doable, sure don't want to be limited to one grow at a time. The veggin space will be all flourescents for now, and they will have only a foot or so to grow before they gotta go, but I reckon with the lst, thats more than enough to make it to the flowerbox. Hopefully my next batch will be clones and seeds, cheese maybe, or the other ones I ordered were satori, and speed queen all from mandala, I sure hope they make it here ok, but if they don't I will have clones at least, enough to keep me in my pj's anyway.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I just saw something in my last post. I ment 2 weeks into flower not 2 weeks from now. Sorry for any miss understanding.

[deaner]

Ok, glad u cleared it up,I was getting worried, but that still gives me only 3-4 weeks right? Can't wait to see them, I've got room for em! 6+1-3 depending on my og's sex, and 6-9 plants under my 600 wt, mh, becoming a hps come flowerin time should be a happy lil first grow.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

A cloan box only needs to be a rubber maid container size space with 1 or 2 cfls. Your veg box needs to be a 50% to larger the sq. ft. of the flower space. Using florecents will enable you to keep the light 2'' higher than than the plant. So however tall you want to veg your plants to 16'' say in 2 gallon buckets 10'' tall, so that's 28'' high is all you need.

[deaner]

I was gonna go with a short, wide 2' x 4' starter space, a foot or two tall, so they will be kept short (under a foot) then put into the flower box, I'm sure it'll be good to go by the time it needs to be. Just a bit concerned as to how much electricity I will be burning with the 600wt, the 4x48" flos, and the 4x2' flos, 2 little fans, 1 big fan..

[MasterKief]

deaner, what reflective material are you using on your walls?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,
Have no worry about the electricity it is going to cost around $30.00 a month to run that, and you are well below the limits watt wise.

[deaner]

Tall and lanky, mine look better, but they are all girls and 2-4 go to a friend tommorow. Best one is a J-5, no idea what that means. But now the short one is R2-D2. They are in some kinda lil mesh bag (the roots) can they stay in that? Can they be lst'd? The stalks are hard, no bendy like mine were.

[hydrocannabis]

looks great to me. nice and green.

[deaner]

well 2 are gone to a friend they were the tallest straightest, so I got the super J5 one and another bigger clone girl, and 4 small plants that may not amount to shit. The one called r2d2 actually looks quite trainable and since it's still The other 3 of mine look awesome, just bent the tall one over so all my og's are lst'd, I'm just betting boy there though for some reason. The big olddest looks so perfect, needs to be a little greener though. Gonna be an awesome mother plant.. I believe in miracles.

[deaner]

Well everything looks good today, think I will try and not water today. Seeds came in today, heres what I got:
10x satori
10x speed queen
5x feminized cheese
5x original haze x skunk
Don't know what or when I will start some seeds but I sure hope its soon.

[SmokeStack2]

Wow you had a fast delivery! You have enough seeds to probably get at best 15 females or more. Nice picks also. Smart thinking with the feminized Cheese. You have enough help here to grow some nice Buds. Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

Lets get these flowering first. Get the experience then we'll go for the gold.

Seen the pics of new plants, looks like it is going to take awhile to get them ready to flower.

How are the original plants coming, are the side shoots starting to grow from the LST?

Plus you mentioned the stems are hard on the others. You can do 2 things, try to LST using string , tie one end to the top of the plant at the first place you have enough space between nodes, gently pull the string down ether tie other end down or place under so it holds the top down, will have the same effect, or you can just top them, may want to experiment so you can see the difference in effects.

[deaner]

what is topping? I kinda want to start flowering but 4 are not ready and the other adopted one need some tls, and I gotta do something about the smell. I'm even smelling it now, and normally I hardly smell anything, ever. Need super cheap super effective exhaust system, ideally set into the sewer vent out the top of the house, but something real quick and effective would be great. One of my little fans died, so I cut a bigger hole through the insulation to get some real cold air flowing in, and hopefully get a decent fan to shoot out that hole, which will be alot better now that its not just going into the insulation, trapped. Man I'm killing some wicked shake on top of my earlier smokage, I'm perfect, how I should have been made to feel, every fuckin minute of my life. But I don't, but it is nice to enjoy life a little extra at times. I feel like doogie howser typing in his journal at the end of the show. I'm so fuckin cool. Light it up, it ain't gonna smoke itself.

[SmokeStack2]

topping is cutting off the top, allowing the plant to focus on branching off. I think your best bet is to just let them grow with the Lst and let them do there thing. get us some new pics so we know whats in there.

[deaner]

Left is the overall box
middle is close er version of all of them
right is the 2 biggest originals, the one is exactly what I think it supposed to look like.
No water/nutes today.

[SmokeStack2]

Looking real nice, keep doing what your doing. they all are looking real good.;)

[deaner]

So what are some signs that they need water/nutes asap? It looks dry, but it all looks great and I've heard enough times on here not to water everyday, even every third??

[SmokeStack2]

You can put your finger into the soil about an inch and if it's dry you could probably use some water. So yeah best way to check it is by doing that. From looking at your last pictures they do look dry. I water every day lil by lil. So the top soil is lightly moist.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

The best and fool proof way to check is a moisture meter, second best is the bucket lift, after a good compleat watering ( when water drains out the bottom holes) let them sit for a half hour untill all excess water has drained take note of the bucket weight. Now the plant is watered for at least 4 to 7 days ( this is very dependant on bucket size, time in bucket and size of root growth) somewhere in thoughs days you will notice the bucket weight drop significantly in a 24 hour period that is when the plant has used up almost all the moister and is in need of watering, repeat as above. Another thing to look for is the leaves at the very top where new growth is occuring the leaves will be reaching for the light when they are happy, when the water supply is low they start to lay down to the horizontal position.

Hope this helps.

[deaner]

these are just my original 3, the one on the left being my favorite.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

How tall are they, how many shoots, are you still LSTing?

The first one looks almost ready to flower in about a week. The other 2 about 2 weeks more.

Also I don't know if you want to preserve genetics by cloaning but the time to take cuttings is fast approaching. you may want to start ordering supplies for that.

[deaner]

not sure on the cuttings, I have a bunch of seeds now, definately should get some clones on any plant I might want preserved, can I clone anytime now or is there a better time? I also have northern lights, bubblegum, blueberry, and some mystery seeds, I just wish I knew who I ordered them from. Both orders came back fast and perfect. 65 seeds all thanks to the internet. Not sure what I want to try first. I am really wanting to start flowering in two weeks, will the other plants be ok to flower with the originals? Then I could have a second batch sprouting when these start flowering. Get all the unknown bagseed stuff out (unless it's the shit) and just stick to the bought seeds. I know the oldest had a fruity taste and was potent and gentle, and so perfect for the ladies.. so I will clone that one fer sure, just hope it's a girl.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

When you clone, you take your cuttings just before you go to 12/12 you need to prune the smaller branches that will not turn into turn into big cola's and will depriving energy from the main cola's. At this point you will not know if it is male or female but you will soon by the mothers in the flower box when sex is known keep the females discard the male cloans. The reason for this is you want to keep the genetics going until you have time to sample the final product. It sucks to grow some bud then smoke it and find out it some of the best you ever had, now it is gone forever because you never took a cutting to keep the genes going.

[atsar]

if you want to make sure your cloning a female clone it in flower,starts a little retarded and slow but soon picks up,i took clones of one plant right after i harvested,i personally preffered the clones from flowering better than those i took in veg because with the flowering clones,all the little callyxes shot out into branches,excellent for training,1 plant filled a screen 19 inches by 13 inches and another ended up 12 inches tall but 3 feet wide in all directions

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Atsar,
you are right about the growth of a cloan taken after flowering, I did the same out of inexeperiance with cloaning, my cloans are bushing and doing things like being covered with preflowers and branching way more than starting from seed. My feeling is though that these are not good mother characteristics.
Since Deaner has such a big stock pile of seed I feel it would benificial to take cloans for mothers only, this is so Deaner can find the best plants faster and determine the best qualities of each plant before going into full blown cloaning.

I will admit I am a noob to cloaning and you may be better at answering this. Which cloans make better mother's (before sexing, after sexing, or is there no difference) that can be kept under low light like a mother box and control the growth for long periods till you determine the best plants?

[atsar]

you know what,i really don't know what would make a better mother,i've never kept one,i'm guessing advantages of the flowering clone may include a shorter plant so more light penetration,and for a mother you'd put it in veg so you'd be using clones from a vegging mother so'd have vegging clones hence normal plants,and you'd have more clones due to the excessive branching,but like i say,i'm guessing,just pointing out it can be done during flower,guess it could be worth trying both ways and see what your preference is

[deaner]

1/1 just fed em good, gonna leave em be for the night, hopefully get my veg box set up before friday night. Thinking about making the oldest a mother, but it could be male, and I wont know unless I flower right? So If I get a couple clones, and it does turn out to be female, then the healthiest clone would end up a good mother right? The smoke was so good, and the flavor very nice and pleasing to the primary woman in my life. It sucks to be out of smoke when you got the shit growing in your home. I keep smelling it and wanna smoke but I really need a break, my tolerance is so strong for everything, nothing effects me, from green to brown to white to whatever, I'm too immune to feel anything anymore. I love this new hobby, it brings me as much joy as the smoking of the stuff, I'm so glad I started this and so pissed that there are laws against it, I am a hard (well kinda) working family man, never hurt anyone, but gotta be careful cuz I'M the bad guy. Bullshit laws. Maybe I need to move to Canada.

[deaner]

1/1 just fed em good, gonna leave em be for the night, hopefully get my veg box set up before friday night. Thinking about making the oldest a mother, but it could be male, and I wont know unless I flower right? So If I get a couple clones, and it does turn out to be female, then the healthiest clone would end up a good mother right? The smoke was so good, and the flavor very nice and pleasing to the primary woman in my life. It sucks to be out of smoke when you got the shit growing in your home. I keep smelling it and wanna smoke but I really need a break, my tolerance is so strong for everything, nothing effects me, from green to brown to white to whatever, I'm too immune to feel anything anymore. I love this new hobby, it brings me as much joy as the smoking of the stuff, I'm so glad I started this and so pissed that there are laws against it, I am a hard (well kinda) working family man, never hurt anyone, but gotta be careful cuz I'M the bad guy. Bullshit laws. Maybe I need to move to Canada. I have a freind that wants to buy some seeds, which one should I let go of? I'm thinkin 5 satori, 5 bubblegum, and 5 speed queen? Then I will have 5 satori, 5 speed queen, 5 feminized cheese, 10 blueberry, 5 bubblegum, 10 northern lights, 5 mystery seeds, and 5 haze/skunk. I'm gonna try and sell the 4 clones that are smaller and out of sync with the rest.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Happy New Year Deaner:)

the answer to your first 3 questions is yes. I did some more resurch and you definatly want to take your cloans before flowering. just get them to root and keep them under a cfl or small florecent after rooting so they grow slow and prune them occasionaly so the act like a bonsi tree that way the cloan takes up minimal space and you can keep several over a long period.

As for what strains to keep and get rid of I have no experiance what so ever with them, I did do some reading on strains and there is one pure strain native to your area that you need to keep an eye out for, I would love to get my hands on it as well as you. ( sorry I can't remember exactly the first part of the name let alone spell it, but it begins with m {native amarican name for some fertile valley in Alaska}) thunderfuck. If you here or find someone who can get this for you get it and let me know ( most likely native Amaricans will know about it). It is one of the best pure strains known.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

Now I can address your little rant about the laws, I would be thankful you live in Alaska. You have some of the more forgiving mj laws of the country. Where I live the laws are real bad. (Ie. if you have a germinated seed it is concidered a plant that carries felony charge of possesion with intent to distribute and a 1 to 10 year sentence). So if I got caught I would most likely get 5 or more years. Now that is f'ed up. I should be the one moving to Alaska.
Just had a thought, would it be great to just get a place somewhere real nice and just grow mj and live off it, I would have so much freetime to do what ever I wanted, during the early flower cycle there is not much to do except keep them watered and watch them grow.

[deaner]

Matanuska Thunderfuck. The legend. Most the stuff claiming to be isn't. The shits unfuckin real dude. I will always be on the lookout for it, if theres any in the area, I'd smell it. I'm beginning to think the mtf of old is only a legend now.

I want to do the exact thing you mention too. Just grow and chill. Yes our laws are very forgiving I've never heard of anyone doin time for growing, at least no one growing less than 50 plants. They take your stuff, which sucks, bust in your door and scare the shit out the kids, but in the end, they just steal your shit basically. I would like to grow medically and help someone that needs it. If I ever get some MTF I will hit you up, you have helped me a bunch.

[deaner]

Ok, I started my veg box. Just a green rubbermaid container. Mounted 4 2' flourescents on the lid, drilled a hole through the side for the cord. Will maybe put a little fan on the other end. I also have 2 more 2' flo's, maybe mount them on the sides of the tub. It should be tall enough for my babies. It's not huge, but it should do fine for now. Now I'm thinking I can start a new grow to put under the lights when the others are done. This seems to be as good as I can get to running two grows at once. If I lst them, keep em short til they get into the main room. I'm not sure how many I should start in the tub. I want to constantly be putting plants into flower, one comes out, I want another one in. Steady flow of the green magic. Probably start some seeds today, cotton balls in a tupperware tub, add a little water, stick the seeds on top of the cotton balls, then throw em in dirt when they sprout. I leave them sealed and warm but dark. Just cant decide which ones to plant, right now looks like northern lights, and blueberry. 12 should be the right amount for my tub. 4 kinds of 3 each? Or 3 kinds of 4 each. I'm out of weed! Someone always seems to save the day.. Where are they?

[deaner]

Ok, seeds are on their cotton balls. 5 bubblegum, 5 cheese, 5 speed queen.The cheese are feminized. Hopefully have 12 solid sprouts in a couple days. Here goes grow #2, and #1 aint even done yet. I'm turning into a grower! The bubblegum was my wifes request, the cheese I've never smoked, nor the speed queen. I think they all flower at different rates so I will be getting them spread out. Speed queen, then bg, then cheese? I really want to try some ak47 since the name is cool, who wouldnt wanna shell out some hard earned cash for something named ak47? Or god bud would be cool. Thanks to all that have been helping along the way, wish you could share a bowl or 2 of my stuff when it's done.

[deaner]

Oh, and I will get some pics of my ladies soon. They are looking huge! I'm ready for some 12/12, still need an exhaust and a hps bulb so I can switch over after a couple weeks with the MH.

[deaner]

Ok, flower time, please someone give me some pointers here. I got my bloom nutes, Pure Blend Pro Bloom. 1.5-4-5. Got my 600 wt. HPS. Got a timer. Not sure how to time the changes from the old nutes to the new, and when to switch the bulb. I am pretty sure that I leave the MH for 2 weeks before switching. I am gonna tie em down again cuz they keep bustin out. So unless Im told otherwise, I will switch the nutes after a couple days of 12/12, thinking everything in steps, not all at once. I got some cloning gel, and some starter cubes and a humidity starter thing for the clones. I will probably have more plants than I know what to do with.

[deaner]

started clones.
5 of my favorite, the smoke I have had, very nice, better be a lady!
5 of the so-called "J-5" supposed to be great shit.. all girls
2 each of my other 2, mystery seeds
7 of one of the older clones, givaways or just in case
21 clones, in a humidity thing under flourescents.
Got rid of 4 plants after taking the 7 clones, they were out of sync with the others and now I have the right amount of room, I think, 4 plants, of course only 1 is definate female, so I could be fucked. no seeds sprouted yet, kinda worried been 1 day.
I will not have room for all these plants, but with a surplus I can be picky and also generous to other folks needin a start.

[MasterKief]

Damn, sounds like you have a pretty nice setup going on! I'm enjoying the updates. Just need more pictures!!! :thumbsup:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

So your only going to have 4 plants to flower this time around 3 unknown sex?

From everything I read you are ready to go. Not sure about the mh for 2 weeks, I went directly to hps at the on set of 12/12, the benefits are more lumins from the hps plus the color spectrum helps induce flower. The plant thinks fall is here because when the sun gets closer to the horizon the light has to pass thru more atmosphere becoming more red.

Start flowering nutes at next watering infact probably wouldn't hert to give them a good flush with a ph balanced water and 1/2 strength dose of every watering flower nutes. Now that you are going to flowering you don't need the high nitrogen anymore you want flowers not leaves.

Get a loupe so you can know the sex asap. I have one and was able to sex in 4 days. Stop LST and just let them streach for a week, they will grow 6" or more in a week. Because you will have a lot of space this flower after a week start to LST again but not near as sevier. Tie the main coals at a 45 deg. angle letting light penatrait all the way down the stem, this will cause the flowers to grow evenly the entire length of the colas.

Now also set your timer to be on when you are home the most this decreases the likely hood of you wanting to check the plants during lights out. I have mine set to go out just after I leave to go to work so I can check them just before I leave then come on 12 hours later usually 1 hour after I get home.

[deaner]

Wow, the plants look real good this morning!
Quick, do I untie them now? they are still tied down.
I suppose morning is the best time to water?
Yes, only 4 first time around, but ones def. female, one I have a strong hunch is (don't know why really), and the other 2 are 50/50 chance. Having trouble getting pics from camera to computer right now, but will keep trying.

[deaner]

The girls are loose! Theres a little pile of twisties. Whats a loupe? I can't get the computer to recognize my cameras card so can't put up pics. They look so good, I can't believe how big they have gotten, they are only a little over a month old! Will mix up my flowering nutes, give em a little h2o, and let them be, I must now, for lack of anything better to do, go and get the fuck stoned.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sounds good.

Leting them go is fine, in a coulple days look at the fan leaves in th middle, make sure they are not blocking light to the smaller shoots trying to grow, if so remove it you want as many bud tops exposed to direct light as possible.

BTY one of my plants rippened and harvested her last night another is ready placed her in the dark till Sunday, looks like I am going to get 1 1/2 to 2 oz out of her, that is a conservative est.

[Shovelhandle]

a loupe is what they eyeball diamonds with and little shit like that.

Irie,

Shovelhandle

[cwesto]

I cant wait to see some grown up pics of ur plants

[deaner]

Here they are first light of the morning after they first saw darkness, after this they were fed the bloom nute 1/2 strength.
There are 4, one is split so it looks kinda like 5 from the top. Please feel free to tell me how good or bad you think they look.

[SmokeStack2]

They look pretty good to me. Keep doing what your doing. Now hopefully soon buds will start.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Very good work Deaner!!

Now comes the fun part of growing !!!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Forgot something, you can get a 8x loupe at a camera store or internet.
got mine at a camera store for $8.00

[cwesto]

Jerry, what is a 8x loupe??

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

A loupe is a single lense magnifing glass that is placed up close to your eye to see very small details and objects used by jewelers and photographers. I use one for several things in growing, 2 most important are early sexing and to see if the trics at harvest are amber, clear, or cloudy, by doing this you can harvest your plant at peak potancy.

8x means magnification of 8 times.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Here is a pic of my loupe.

[deaner]

Sweet, I might have one of those with some old tattooing equipment.
I'm switching to the HPS bulb tonight. Looks really cool, I really wanna hang in there now. I'm happy.

[cwesto]

Jerry were can i find one of these mistical looking loupes??

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I found mine a camera store, ( Where I live the 2 camera dealers are Ritz Camera, and Penn Camera.)

[deaner]

I am with questions, hoping to get some help.
I started another lil rubbermaid clone box, also throwing in someseedlings, but they are going to another tub for veggin, no more room in original veg tub. Sounds ok? By the time my big ones are gone, these will be 2 small groups right behind, yay! Is this smart to do?
Big question: any other nutes besides the pureblend bloom? I have Sweet also but havent added any for per old: one thing at a time stress thing. Should I add it? The HPS looks awesome! Can they, you know, track down who I am and find out who I am and come a lookin? How long to look for the sex? What do I look for first? How much pruning at this point? Ok, thats plenty for now, thanks in advance!

[deaner]

Almost lights out, most my seeds are in the soil. mostly cheese leftto sprout, 2 plants out of the humidity tub and into open air under flourescents. Clones look like shit, no sign of roots, and they look sad, limp. Glad I started seeds.

[SmokeStack2]

Deaner don't worry nobody is going to come looking for ya. Your not even growing enough to get them interested. They have better things to do, they would have to get a search warrant and all that. Your not selling the stuff so don't worry.
Just enjoy the life of the plant keep things to your self and you'll be alright. This site looks like it's been here awhile so don't worry.

So did you just plant the cheese or did you germinate it first? About a week ago I planted some grandaddy purple seeds just putting them in soil and finnaly now One has popped up. Sometimes it just takes a long time.

[deaner]

My mini veg box has had some changes, the tray the clones were in was taking all the space, so I put the lil things in tupperware, a few were obviously struggling and had to go.
Flowering plants look great again, gets up to 85 before I get home, hoping to solve this before tommorow, 2 days hitting 85 is scaring me. Timer goes off, lights out, but windows open and temp drops, then in the a.m., no ventilation cuz I sealed it up at night. Gotta fix this problem asap! I'm not home when they come on, so I didn't think that through..
The cheese were germinated. The clones are kinda hidden from view in the tub photo. I can't believe how fast this stuff happens. Few days after opening the bag of seeds, there are little sprouts reaching for the sunshine!

[SmokeStack2]

Your going to notice when the Cheese gets more mature it's going to smell kinda funky but it's smell is Cheese. Kinda crazy. With that new lighting system you have now is really going to help the growth that's why your so surprised. You have a good grow going and your doing well. And you seem to have a nice grow room with plenty space to add more.

[deaner]

Yes, more is coming..

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sorry Deaner I have been busy with my grows recently and have not really had a chance to check in.

Deaner everthing in your first crop looks real good. I just want to go over a coulple of things in your second grow. First I see 12 Dixi cups, 3 with what I assume are clones, If so you are not cloaning properly. ( I will go over how to get good cloans later when I have time). How many week veg are you going to do on these seeds? How many seeds you got going? I would say you can fit 9 monster females in there so plan on what 3 cloans weed out the worst performer this crop for the next. I would start 12 seeds to get around 6 females (plan on 8 to 4 of them to be male in my first grow I started 15 and ended up with 9 females, remember though this could go the other way to)

As for 85 deg in your cabinet it is not ideal but tollerable for them but if it is getting that warm in there you do have a ventilation issue, you are going to have problems in the future with humidity. I had a scare in my grow where I started to get a musty smell from my grow box and had to spray for mold, It is gone now but scared the crap out of me.

[atsar]

Text (http://cannabis.com/growing/growroom-how-do-i-measure-temperature-correctly.html)

i had trouble keeping my temps down but it never seemed to harm my plants,i've since found this in the cannabis faqs which i've found very helpful,seems i was taking radiant temps,but since following the simple advice here i can maintain temps in the 70s easily

[deaner]

Ventilation going in soon. My cloning technique is not very good, but I think if I would have lft them alone, there would be more, but I've already had to be selective, and weed out a few, I have more than enough babies for now.. I plan on expanding to the whole closet, adding another 600 wt, so I can have up to 18. I wanna get a blower/ducting for the light, going up and out, and maybe another just for the growroom.

[SmokeStack2]

Deaner the clone needs to have a fairly good size stock for it to do well. And they need normal indoor day light to make it. So hardly any light at all. I really couldnt tell by the picture how strong the light is but Im sure you have something Dim. And are you using rockwool for the clones? And any root growth formula? Im sure they will turn around and Lift up in time.

[deaner]

Can someone tell me where I am supposed to be looking when checkin sex?
I'm looking for little balls, right?

Also what are trichomes? Are they the crystals that form on the leaves and bud?

Can I use one magnification thing for both? I really don't wanna buy a microscope, a loupe is ok.

One of my plants is growing little bud looking leaves, thick fat and from the lower regions of the stem. They are kinda crystally, it's the only one with them, but it's a differernt strain, a clone that is supposedly female. I have only been looking with the naked eye cuz I'm not sure where to look anyway. And how soon should I really be paying close attention, theyhave only been in flower for like 4 days.

[deaner]

I used olivias cloning gel, I still have like 10 of them left, just made them take up less room, extras will be givin away to another friend that grows. They are under 24 hour flourescents with alot of distance from the light, I am gonna build a nice veg box where the tubs sitting, gonna be nice, look like a cabinet sitting on a dresser, gonna be fun project. Need funding, too bad theres no grants for this stuff.. Exhaust first then cabinet. Adios.

[SmokeStack2]

Some one needs to show you what a male looks like in a early stage of growing balls haha. Funny how well we know a female.

[SmokeStack2]

hahaha on the grants we wish the Goverment would just grow us 20ft trees. Like a Billion lol.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

What you are looking at it the section where leaf meets stem about 2 to 4 nodes down from the top of a branch. Look for a tiny ball growing there. If there is only one ball on both sides of the node and a little white hair coming out of it it is a female, if there are more than one ball or it has balls on both sides of the node then it is male.

Your plants are going into the strech phase and won't begin to go into full flower for 2 weeks. I seclude the males as soon as I identified them let them grow a few more days to make 100% sure. I would have tossed a female once if I didn't do that.

[atsar]

the 1st pic is a female pre flower and the 2nd pic a male pre flower,look on the main stem,just where the branches shoot out,that's the best place to find them,the last pic is trichromes,you likely wont see many until after 2-3 weeks flowering

[deaner]

I've seen a few white hairs, looks like on all except the one that is supposed to be a cloned female. THank you very much, and the trichomes are those white crystals, or the hairs? I'm goin searching for balls now..

[atsar]

the trichromes are the crystals

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

The white specs on the leaves are trichroms. You won't really see them until after 4 weeks of flower. They will have this tiny stem with this glob on top, you can only see them with magnification, hence the loupe. The trichromes containe the THC.

[deaner]

I am planning on a veg box, kinda stealthy, heres the spaceI have:
(I will go another route if it's no good.)
48" high, 34" wide, 21" deep.
This size is perfect, but I could go a little bigger if I have to.

I wanna be able to veg enough plants to keep 1 600wt. busy for now, and double that eventually. So I'm thinking 10-15 plants in the veg box. I want to be pulling a plant out of flower and slappin another one in, a constant flower room, constant veg. Hows my size look, for my goals? Oh, it's gonna be lit with 4x 2' flourescents on top.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner my veg box is 36''x36''x36'' with a 400w mh I can fit 12-2 gallon buckets in, florals will work, maybe in your favor you can control growth better, so timing will be easier. They grow fast as hell under the MH.

[deaner]

Update on the flowering girls: I am still only giving them botanicare pure blend pro bloom, 2/3 strength last watering, going 3/4 next, then full strength, but I'm thinking of adding sweet for the metals, magnesium deficiency makes the leaves rigid and grow where the edges and tip start going up a little? Anything else to add to up my yield/quality and not take chances of screwing something up? I've heard molassis, but tend to stick to what works and hesitate at this point to mess with anything when I got 4 at the most females. My speed queen and bubblegum are looking very healthy, the cheese is slow, only 2 (or 3 some got a lil mixed up) have sprouted. 2 clones, that I had in clone tub for only a couple days, dropped the lil starter cube in the dirt, they look real good so far, they are my best freinds starter plants, hope he gets into this, then pretty much all my closest freinds will be growers, yahoo! Lots of good bud around and its been so hard to find anything decent except one sack of pungent grapefruity, lemony, pine solly stuff (any ideas of what strain tastes/smells like that?)that wrecked me I got from a freind, hoping to get clones from the grower but he is one of those smart/paranoid types that must remain in the shadows.. 3 big tokes and even a heavy smoker like me is toast. Most the stuff around here, you could smoke 2-3 bowls and still be only a lil stoned. I am taking it very easy now so my huge tolerance will deminish a little before my stuff is ready. I love this new hobby so much, I smoke mostly for depression, it works wonders, and just growing it helps alot.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Definetly keeps you occupied and is very rewarding. The difference between us is nobody in my outside world knows I'm growing. The only place I can talk about it is in here. I do this for everyons safty and especially mine. "Loose lips sink ships":(

So it is very nice to have this outlet to help and talk to fellow growers.:)

[deaner]

my new veg shelf, not real thrilled about it, but it was easy and should be ok for now.

[deaner]

hey anyone care to give a guess at what i may get from my plants, yeild wise? I am hoping if all 4 stay female, then 3 ounces, 3 plants are similar size, 1 is a bit smaller. Am I expecting too much? What is a good goal for yeild? 2 ounces per plant? Should I add the Sweet yet, how bout going full strength on the bloomin nutes?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

As for the sweet stuff, go ahead and start using it, go to full strength nutes next watering( Note: as per directions on nutes for every watering.)

Yeild? HMMMM. 1 oz per plant is low for your situation, 2oz. would be about average, 3oz above average, 4oz possiable. It varys greatly, The one plant that I harvested early and dried quick came out to 37g. I thought this would be higher. very light and fluffy. Then for a smaller plant, I did the lengthy 3 day dark period before harvest and hung the entire plant(trunk up) to dry for 7 days came out to 31g. I thought this would be lower. But damn this is he way to dry the buds, they came out super sticky (touch one and it will stick to your fingers like they have glue on them) plus very tasty, with a higher density and weight.

But as I look at the remaining big mamma plants still in the box, I predict between 3 to 4 oz. per plant. :) there is a huge differance in bud size from the previouse 2 plants

[olliegrow]

Im guessing 2-3 ounces dried, from the looks of your plants they look good and large enough. Ive used 1 tsp of sugar per gallon or mollases for the last 3 weeks of flowering and they put on a crazy amount of weight.

[deaner]

wow, i am stoked! Definately try the sugar or molasses. Full strength nutes today, and the sweet. I saw a little area of one leaf just covered in little crystal dust stuff. Just wanted to lick it! I've been without for like 3-4 days! My favorite plant stilllooks great, all 4 have the hairs coming out of them. Another week or so before I should see any actual budding I guess. I gotta make sure I got alot of smoke on hand when it comes to waiting at the end so I can be patient, 3 days in the dark, a week drying, thats gonna be a long 10 days!

[deaner]

its jan 13th and they keep looking better and better! more hairs, lots more growth, very thick. I lost my camera so I gotta describe. The stuff between the nodes will fill in with the buds right? Thats were alot of the growth is happening, all the leaves I am leaving alone, I was trimming a leaf a day, but read not to cuz you need the leaves for the plant to make buds, anyway, its very dense so thats cool. They are making me proud so far! One of my sprouts fell over, too tall or something, hopefully itll be ok, I dont have as many clones as I thought would make it, but should be plenty.

[deaner]

Can I repot them at this point? they seem a little too big for the pots, but kinda intimidating to try and do since they are so big, but they are in like 2 gallon pots, and 1 is in a smaller, like 1 gallon.

[SmokeStack2]

You probably could put them into a bigger pot, just be real careful. There going to need that growing space. 2 gallons is small.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I did not know they were in that small of pots! You definetly want to repot to 5 gallon buckets. I put mine in 5 gallon buckets when they go into the flower box. When I havested two small plants in 5 gallon buckets the root systems used every bit of space available. If you do not repot what will happen is about mid way thru the flower cycle they will stop growing due to root constriction.

I also was intimidated at first transplanting such large plants, What you do is let the plants go without water for 2 days to let the soil dry as much as possiable without herting the plants, this lowers the weight of the rootball. Next fill the new bucket with soil 1/3 full ( you can measure by placing the old bucket into the 5 gallon then add or remove soil from the 5 gallon bucket till you have the top of the soil in the old bucket to the level in the 5 gallon at where you want it to be.

Now take your left hand and place the stalk of the plant inbetween your 2 middle fingers and spred your fingers out as much as possiable, now turn the bucket upside down supporting the rootball with your left hand, now gently shack the bucket up and down with your right arm untill the rootball comes free from the bucket, now slowly remove he bucket from the root ball while still upside down, the root ball will remain intact with the roots holding everything together. Now take your right hand and place it directly in the center of the bottom of the exposed rootball and turn so plant is right side up and gently place in the 5 gallon bucket, you most likely will be able to grab the sides of the root ball at this point the roots are holding everything together. Now add soil around the sides and gently pack down. Water with flower nute formula until water comes out the bottom. and you are done.

I have one this several times now and never have had a problem.

[deaner]

I found camera, but it wont let me upload pics.. I will repot them tommorow, I already watered soon as I got home. Thanks! Now on to browsing other folks grows.

[deaner]

Repotted 3 of them, need another bucket, was very easy but hopefully they are ok tommorow. Crazy repotting a 2 foot plant, but wasn't bad. I made one hell of a mess of my room though.. Now I'm hoping they get huge! Massive buds are what I'm in need of, weed weed weed is all I need. Sucks to be out when you are used to being stoned just about 24/7, ya know? Hopefully at least my tolerance will diminish a bit, I'm pretty resilient, too much other shit in the recent past, but now I'm clean, just need my weed. Keeps me off the hard shit, which I really think should be a good enough reason for a medical prescription, depressed dude with serious drug problem past that can just be happy as a clam smoking the dankness frequently, isn't that a good thing? Fuck the govnt thats too fucking stupid to make laws that actually make sense. Of course I'm a drunk too, but thats ok, perfectly legal to be a goddamn drunk. Not really a drunk, just now, so therefore the rant. And yes, I type and function pretty good fucked up.

[olliegrow]

Humm...why do they have to be 5 gallons? Ive used 2.5 and 3 gallons for years and they always worked well for my closet space. Well I guess if you have the space, use it. My plants are about 30 inches tall in 2.5 gallons.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sorry Deaner to go off subject here but I have a coulple of questions for Olliegrow.

Ollie you are using 2.5 gl buckets! How long are you veging, and do you do LST? I am just wondering because when I veg in 2 gallon buckets for 6 weeks, I LST that entire time and let them get to be 16" to 18" tall bushes when I transplant to 5 gallon buckets the root ball is very tight. I just don't see how they would make it all the way to harvest without becoming root bound? Must be something differant in our growing styles.

[deaner]

Yeah, mine were pretty dense (the roots) and bam! today, they already look better, I swear my biggest girl jumped 4 inches, and no, I didn't count the taller bucket. Repotting the last one now. I am glad I did. Not nearly as hard as I thought, and I was drinking last night. Today should be a breeze!

[SFGurrilla]

Nice plants bro. What kind of seeds? Bag?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

You will be amazed at the growth from here on, Do they have those what I call crowns yet? (top of all branches have white pistols just shooting out to the light that looks like a crown from the side.)

[deaner]

Definate crowns, looks cool. 2 were bagseed, 1 was a friends that was real good smoking, but they didnt do it right during budding, so its a really nice girl after all the love and bondage, had a light fruity taste, should be goood. The last one is a clone thats supposed the be good stuff, but I never heard of the strain, its the smallest and skrawniest. They are growing like crazy! I'd like to do one of those pic a day, stop motion, whatever the shit they do on national geographic, planet earth videos, trippy, I'd love to see a growth cycle, start to finish of a beautiful plant. 4 other clones that were adopted look good, but really skinny and thin on foilage compared to mine, so I'm doin something right I think. I just hope to get some good gifts from those ones..

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Just keep watering them and giving them nutes (when they need it). they will come along. Now is pretty much the easy part. Just sit back and watch them grow, water them, watch them grow.:)

[deaner]

Measured them for reference later.
biggest is 20" tall bout 18 wide, the other 3 are 15" tall x 15 wide.
Pretty round measurements, is that normal? I guess now they will only be going up.
Put 8 sprouts under my big flourescent, were they stay in 2 gallon pots til flower time.
Have 2 more I will put under soon, and some clones that may all get scrapped, gotta get more knowledgeble bout clonin gbefore doing that again, I think they were too small, put under too much light, and no nutes next time. Lots yellowing and no roots on any that have been tossed out, other than some spit looking hairs, 1 or 2 on a couple, only have 6or so that may have a chance.
So in veg, 4 speed queen, 2 bubblegum, 2 mystery possible bg, cheese, 1 thats topped itself and lagging, is another bg I think, and there are a few germinated seeds in dirt that havent sprouted. Probably get tossed. 1 clone set aside for a freind looks good too.

[deaner]

need to figure out how many days into flower and total I'm at. I want to figure out how to make pictures not orange.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Cloaning is easy you just have to have everything in place to do it. Read the bubbler sticky at the top of this folder. There are a lot of threads in here on how to build a cloaning box out of rubbermaid toats and many other household things that are close to a garentee to root every time.
This is a skill you are going to have to master to get the most out of growing! :) So I suggest read, read, read on cloaning, figure out the best setup for you, get all the materials to build your cloan box, have all tools and materials needed for cloaning before you attempt cloaning. It is a very exact step by step process, almost like sugery so if anything is not there at the right time or wrong time you are almost bound to fail as you can see.

Just keep trying!!!
Just fyi it takes 2 or more weeks before you see roots and yellowing leaves is normal. All the energy is going to root growth, so it is using the stored nutes in the leaves. Basically the plant is growing backwards until enough roots have grown enough to start taking in nutes. Then new growth will start that will more than likely NOT look like normal mj leaves. This is ok eventually they will come.

So just read as much as you can on it and keep trying you need to learn this.

[atsar]

for green pics i switch my light off 2 minutes early and use the time taking pics using the cameras flash,gets rid of orange hps glow

[olliegrow]

All my harvests have been in 2 - 2.5 gallons. Here some pics of my stuff right now in 2 gallons. I start them in a 1 gallon for veg and when Im about to induce flowering I then put them into 2 gallons for he last 8 weeks. On average there about 2-3 ft tall and yield about 1.5-2 ounces dried. I have to keep them this size because of my closet setup isnt very tall

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[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Olliegrow,
Thanks for getting back.

Yes there is a difference, Deaner and I have been blessed with a space that he and I can grow trees, that is why I instructed him to transplant to 5 gallon buckets, in my grow I shoot for a yeild of 2 to 3 or more onces per plant. I haven't harvested my best plants yet but I can tell I will most likely break 3 ounces on 4 plants. This is just not possiable in 2 gallon buckets.
Very nice setup and plants by the way. Have you got a grow log going I look a little didn't see one by you?

[deaner]

Yeah without the space to grow, I'd have a problem fast in the new buckets, but now they can get huge and have more time to mature. I'm goin 2 gallon for veggin, except for the baby stage 0-2 weeks, they start in paper cups and dixie cups for the start. Then 5 gallon for the flower room. Are square buckets ok, seem like you could fit more, but the one I have thats square doesn't seem to drain as well, and it is very well draining soil mix with those volcanic rocks on the very bottom for even better drainage.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,
You have the potting schedule exactly right, nice pics looking very nice great work.

[deaner]

Now my worry is, will my plants in flower be out of the flower room before the ones in veg get too big? I'm thinking no, that they should be nicely lst'd and thick, ready to go nuts in the flower room. I'm gonna try to get a couple to grow (looking from the top) in a circle, the topmost portion of the plant will slowly go round the outside of the pot, making a circle (again, when viewed from above) that will grow vertically as a cylinder, with a deep hole running top to bottom for air circulation, should be some serious bud loading going on, on those, shit how many colas could you get, like 12? Bang, massive buddage for my long term storage.. Gonna try that radical lst plan on at least a couple plants, 1 each bubblegum and s.queen? If I have only 8 in veg, assuming half are girls, then I'm gonna be real short of my goal, 2nd grow, unless some clones make it. I may plant some more seeds, I really want a stockpile. 4mnbvcx444444444444444444444444444444444444 <-- kid had to type a bit, he likes the number 4. I may start some skunk/haze,big bud,mystery seeds, satori, 6 or so, I gotta have 6 under the lights at a time, 12-15 minimum when I get another 600 wt. Next batch of seeds will be ready to go flower when my vegging plants show sex, so if alot of girls, I'd need another 600 wt, pronto. And if only half girls, then I'm ok too. I can still get 6+ plants budding on my 2nd round. My end goal is 15 plants flowering at a time, always rotating out and in, am I on the right track? sometimes it's easier to feel smart than BE smart, ya know? I'm in that boat frequently. :stoned:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

You have got the right idea:) best time to start from seed is right when into flower, becarful with quantity with 8 weeks of growing they will be monsters and are going to need room to breath. try and keep it down to 12 in a 4'x4' box.

[deaner]

how bout 12 or 15 in a 6.0' x 3.5' closet, bout 6' high? so 3 5 gallon pots deep, by 5 wide, definately fit, and add lst, plus the second 600 wt. hps? should be sweet huh?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

It will be tight, the rule of thumb is 1 plant for 1.5 sq.ft. you have 21 sq.ft. 15 requires 22.5 sq.ft. this is just for females if you go from seed you may want to do as many as plants as you can fit in 2 gallon buckets into that space, then start flowering in those buckets then in 5 days you should be able to sex. Toss the males, transffer females to 5 gallon buckets this will save the soil and time of transplanting only females. This is the problem when starting from seed there is no control of how many females you have. This is why I am cloning my best females and start 5 more from seed to get another strain going. I have 8 plants from cloans and 5 plants from seed that is 13 plants I figure 2 to 3 will be male that leaves 11 to 10 females for a 16 sq.ft. space.

[deaner]

Yes, cloning will be key eventually. I got lucky of my original 3 all of them are female, and one is from some very good stuff, fruity and strong, smaller leaves, deeper green, shorter, bushier than the rest, wonder what strains have these traits? I got 8 in veg, unknown sex, so they will be a couple weeks ahead of another round thatll be ready to go into flower by the time the others start showing sex. I figure 6 plants per 600 is good, so if I get another I can have 12 total, and 2 months of flower, 12 at a time 2 oz per plant (conservative?). 24oz is a pound and a half every 2 months.. Should keep me out of the ugly real world and deeply entrenched into my own.. Hopefully I can count on a couple of these clones making it, they look like shit, all but one, I really hate myself if I lose my favorite plants genetics because I didnt read more on cloning. Once I figure out my favorites and get good at cloning I will mostly rely on that, plus a couple new strains to try at a time. Eventually maybe hydro. I really want a huge african sativa cross, something like I remember smoking from there in the past, that wont go over 5 feet and still produce big buds.

[deaner]

thru n 4 skunk, 2 satori, 2 big bud seeds into the sproutin chamber, to make sure I have enough later when I find the boys. Rather be too many plants than not enough.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I feel you will have to thin the weak, your starting to worry me getting to many going, makes it easier for mistakes also seeds last awhile, I started with 15 seeds got 9 females got close to 50 cloans out of them started 5 more seeds of a new strain expect 2 to 3 females get cloans from them keep healthiest cloan as mom grow cloans from the best, stock cloans again then many small gorilla grows this summer, use boxes for veg only. BTW I still have 20 seeds I have not used they are back up.

[deaner]

yeah i still have 30+ seeds, 4 more sprouts in the dirt: 2 satori, 2 bigbud), nothing from the skunk, so 4 more maybe. Looks like all of my clones are goin down the shitter, theyre looking real sad, and they already were a couple days ago.. "all of the most important ones have been dead a while anyway so the tears have already been shed. " (could be said about alot of things). Oh well, I'm stoned and happy as a clam. My big girls are looking good!! Seeing budd(ish) looking bud things growing out the tops of some of them. Theres a good religion: buddish. I'm stoned.


are you stoned?

shouldn't you be more stoned?

[cmasfca]

Yes, I should be stoned! However, I smoked through the 10 grams I got on Monday in four days :(

BUT: I gave my boss 2 very "special" cookies. I'm going to txt her in a couple hours and ask how she's doin.

LOL

BTW: Good luck on those beans you planted :)

[deaner]

tried to post pics a few times, no luck so gonna be quick, my girls look amazing, growing so fast, i watched a seed sprout personally the other day, kinda trippy to see, seed, then bang a minute later a half inch stickin out. gonna try one pic, but i got a bunch.

[deaner]

ive got 2 satori and 2 big bud that are gonna go into the veg, 4 more i am germonating having popped yet, the big bud were fast and quick to getout of the dirt too, 4 skunks waiting to germ, but anytime ive had them not sprout by day 2, they never have. my budding girls look so good, they grow crazy fast, im stoned for the last time for a while now, shit. more pics yay!

[deaner]

here they are 2 girls individually with the top cola of each after the main photo. these are my 2 best I think.

[deaner]

these are j-5? (strain I was toldit is, its a clone of supposedly some amazing shit.. we'll see..) and the other is the fat girl. both with the top cola shots after. and an overall. make sure to look at the previous post, they were all taken this morning.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

That is a beutiful sight.

What I did at this point in my last grow was a do heavy pruning and remove all the large fan leaves. This allows light the get to the lower buds and promotes growth of the budlets. The plant will look kind of naked when done but will quickly rebound with new leaves in days. Then trim any leaves that grow directly over a bud only.

I will go back in my log and get a pic of what my plants looked like after pruning and post it for you.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Here are the pics of my plants at the start of week 4. As you can see I left the top 4 sets of fan leaves on all the colas except the ones over the center of the plant, I also left some of the outer fan leaves. The main reason for the pruning is to get light to the as many buds as possiable.

Then in the other pic I removed all the under growth to get good air flow and all the small branches that will amount to nothing, I do this so the plant won't waste energy on growing small buds only the main buds.

Can't get the pics to attach will post next, have to reboot:)

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

One other thing was when I pruned the lower branches I cloaned them and ended up with 36 very healthy plants.

ooops first is wrong pic but results of this pruning.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Hopefully this is the correct pic.

[deaner]

here a few pics of some leaves that I think got munched on. some of the leaves are curling at the tips like in the photo. Thanks for the advice on pruning i did a little this morning, trying to get rid of the undergrowth that is making watering hard. I've heard both sides of the pruning the leaves argument, but you obviously know yer shit so I will do some more pruning. The other pics are my new ones the big ones are a week out of the dirt, the little sprouts are only a couple days out. The question marked ones are big bud, the satori has me excited, the article in high times about mandala confirms my suspision that they carry the right seeds for my needs. Thanks JG for taking the time to help me so much.

[jchap]

mylar diamond sheeting>foil hands down

nice grow :thumbsup:

:edit: is that foil?

[deaner]

its one of those emergency blankets, mylar i think, i hate the shit, the tape comes off, the mylar tears, ive spent so much tme trying to keep that thing on the walls. I wanna upgrade to the nice stuff when cash permits. eventually will line the whole closet with some good 2 mil mylar or something better, never heard of mylar diamond sheeting, is that the thick, kinda insulated kind? 97% reflective it says at the grow shop, but its expensive! like 100 bucks to line my whole closet.

[deaner]

heres a comparison of my trimmed smaller plant next to my tallest, a couple bud close ups and an overall shot

[deaner]

its starting to look crowded in there. I assume its better to have them pushed a little into each other and the wall, then out of the sun, not touching? Am I right? Other than that they just keep growing and flowerering, looking yummy. I got some really great local stuff, wow, ive been in the wow shit for a few weeks, a little dry spell, and bam! :jointsmile::stoned:

[deaner]

veg room has been relocated, very nice, so much light and mylar, its like a tanning bed. Got exhaust for the flower room, 250 cfm sucking from the hood of my light. Got a couple in veg I'm eyeing for moms, hard when you don't know whats what as far as sex. My veg room is so nice, I can grow 8 all the way to harvest in there if I want but they will only be making 8 weeks or so before they hit the flower box, will get pics posted tommorow, tommorow is day one of no weed til harvest, gotta take a break so I can go back to being normal for a while, decrease my tolerance a bit. Fuck me, I hate it, but it's the way it's gotta be. Least my veggin room is really nice, they are getting lst'd and fimmed and topped and I'm just learning and experimentin on stuff, gonna be some beauties in there, just hopefully a good portion of girls.. This is my last time being stoned for a while unless i land in some cash or someone hooks a brutha up,if not then fuck em when my girls get harvested.

[deaner]

ok, at what point do i change the nutes? I heard I switch to straight water at some point near the end, i was thinking 3 weeks but wanna make sure. I will just keep doin what I'm doin til I hear otherwise. They getting Sweet, and botanicare bloom nutes. Growing every day, smellin better everyday too, some of the hairs have turned a little rose, so much trichomes, I got a bit on my camera when taking some shots in there. They are at a month into flower now, I'm thinking another month, but if ones done a little early.. well that'd be great! Soon as one goes out another will go in. Perpetual stone from march of '08 til death. :dance::woohoo:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Damn Deaner they look like my plants!!!! You have graduated to a true grower by the looks of your plants:)

As for nutes keep them going untill the end of week 7, then go to plane water. You are close to the stage where the leaves will start to yellow. Do not be alarmed by this, it is normal. I would not do any harvesting till after week 8. You are about to go into the ripening stage and red pistols are a signal of the begining of this. The buds will beging to swell and put on weight they will also start to get that powdered sugar look.

I reccomend reading up on trichs so to determine when is the best time to harvest, by looking at the trics they will be 3 differant colors Clear, Cloudy, and Amber, these colors can help you at harvest and determine when the plant is ready to harvest.

Other than that great work!!!!!! :)

[deaner]

thanks i was wondering about the leaves and i will mark the end of week seven on my calender. gotta run, i will get some pics up soon.

[deaner]

here they are in order from left to right in order of the soonest to harvest to last (in my guesstimation)

[deaner]

heres some buds, they always look so much better before i compress them. these are also end of 6 weeks flowering shots. the one on the right is of my favorite, i think its the farthest from being ready to harvest. I am seeing the trychs thru my camera, so thats good when it gets time to start really watching them in a few weeks.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Was beginning to wonder what was going on in your grow.

I see everything is fine. very nice pics. The last pic in the individual plants is a monster:) what strain is it?

If you just finished week 6 they are looking great and you learned well grasshopper:)

Just keep the temptation at bay.

[deaner]

hey thanks for checkin in on my lil grow man. I dont know any strains, the big one, the bottom photo, is a seed from a freinds grow, it was good stuff, fruity and stout, my first plant actually. A buddy just said I should bend the colas down so they get more light, like bend them out at a 45? I just dont see anyone else doing that in pics. Keep in touch with my log JG, you have helped all along. I will get my veggin plant pics on here soon, when I find my camera, short term memory loss my ass! Any chance I will get any seeds from these plants?

Oh, big question:
would seeds from brickshitweed grown outdoors in british colombia be worth planting indoors or out? I got a stealthy lil spot in mind outside that I may start them a month before spring indoors, and let them grow in the alaskan summer sun. also maybe wonder if they would fair ok indoors, worth the trouble since I already have alot of seeds? I'm thinking its decent shit that was just left unattended, flavor is spicy, kinda indian foodish flavor, exotic, or maybe thats just the taste of shitweed. Not sativa, hybrid maybe.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Good question.

With the amount of good seeds you already have that will be enough to satisfy your personal needs but if you want to do a gorilla grow for distribution you could go the bag seed route, keep in mind you will only get mid grade price for it.

I am going to do a few gorilla grows this season by investing in some outdoor strains and using cloans.

As for getting seeds from your current plants you need to do selective pollination at around week 3 of flowering. First you need a pollinating male, take a paper bag and cover a branch or cola of a male and shake. Then go to a female lower branch that is starting to flower fully cover with bag and shake again, mark that branch for easy indentification at harvest. Only these buds will have seeds not the entire plant by doing this.

[deaner]

Left to right
overall shot on left
then tallgirl and j5 together
then tallgirls top cola (closest to being ready I think, opinions?)
then bottom is j-5's top cola (2nd closest I think)
I named them for ease of keeping track, names are very creative huh? keep it simple senior is my motto.

[deaner]

now a couple of bestgirl (top left and middle) and a couple of fatgirl (top right and bottom),notice the second pic (middle of top row) ,those are budsites going all the way to the bottom, i thought it was cool. bottom pic is closeup of fat girls top cola. After the pics I pulled bestgirl down a bit to let in some light cuz she looks to be a long ways out, and the tops getting cooked.

[deaner]

here they are, my vegger's. Please look up if u havent already cuz my flowering shots are pretty nice. They are getting the rough treatment with lst, topping, and fimming, its getting crowded and am hoping for some advice on which to throw into flower first when it comes to that.. i have 5 speed queens 1.5 month old, 4? bubblegums same age, a female cheese same age, 2 bigbuds only a couple weeks old and 2 satori same age. there could be one or 2 that im wrong on strain though.

top row left to right:
left 6, right 5, 2 big buds and 1 satori
bottom row: lst in action, red node, is this normal, ok?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Very nice pics Deaner. You have some major buddage going on there.

As for harvest can you see the trich's to see the clear, cloudy, and amber?

It can be up to 11 weeks before a plant is ready, 8 week is a minimum.

As for placing plants in the flower box put the 5 speed queen in first.

[deaner]

best i can tell they are white and clear, but im goin off my camera and zoomin way in when i look at the pics later, thought i had something around the house to see them, but im really not looking until 8 weeks, so end nutes end of week 7 then start looking closer at trychs at end of 8 weeks?

and when, age wise is it good to throw veggers into flower? i think i did a month last time and am happy with my shorter plants, nowhere near 42"s like yours JG! i got my female widows today, yahoo, wanna worry bout the ones in flower and veggin first, and getting good clones before they come out of the baggie, so i figure the widows about june.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

To get good yeilds I find a veg of 6 to 8 weeks is best, ( longer veg bushier plants, more buds) :)

Keep in mind the first week and half is considered sprouting stage, not veging. So your speed queens are 4 1/2 weeks into veg.

[deaner]

yeah i dont count the sprout stage, the date they have on the pot is the date they went into the 2 gallon pots which is probably around a week or so in a paper cup first getting only water. The oldest went in 2 gallon pots on 1/16, i just worry about them goin into flower with most of the plant on one side of the pot or some other lack of symetry caused by lst, and the end up tippin over when the get to flowering. With 2 out my space issues will be under control. I am also wondering if I'm giving them nutes too early, they start getting nutes when they get into the 2 gallon pots and into the veggin stage. but they look ok so probably ok.

[deaner]

ok, so end of week 7 is end of bloomin nutes, but there is a big difference in maturity with these girls, i am givin them a half watered down mix of nutes today. How longs it take for all the nutes to get flushed out so they are ready? i guess a week of straight h2o is good, but only the one plant is a week away. Am i thinking correctly or am i way off here? 2 of them are just bursting with new growth, so this means they have a good ways to go right?

[Backpacker420]

Holy smokes, NICE GROW!!!!

[deaner]

my plant ive been calling bestgirl is really beggining to worry me. alot of brown and yellow leaves, and the buds look a long ways from being ready, can the plant die before the buds mature? hopefully im just being a little paranoid. Could i need to water and/or give more nutes?

[deaner]

heres some pics, they look like seeds, but they are shootring out hairs so im ok right? please comfort this anxiety laden stoner..

[deaner]

please look and tell me something.. Looks to be in trouble but the buds are a ways off (I think) from being done. little top leaves are dying and I'm worrying..

And look above for my other pics of possible problems, help a brutha out!!

JG!! Help!! I dont think them are seeds cuz the hairs, i squished one and it was like a zit. Both those are my best plants, the one with the seed lookin things looks so good, and the yellowing one is by far the biggest producer.

I started 12 clones, 6 bubblegum, 3 speed queen, 3 cheese, so maybe tommorow, a couple go in to the flowering room!

[zebulon]

That fatgirl is a hermaphrodite...

You should post in the plant problem section....maybe someone can help....

[deaner]

i am weak. Did some sampling with the quick dryng in the oven and hit it, and wow, i think this gonna be some really good stuff, better than 90% of the bud i see around these parts. Taste kinda shitty but guessin its cuz its too early. got real stoned but the good happy, dance fever, slap the wife on the ass, kinda stone. lasted 45 minutes which was surprising cuz thats actually a long time for me. i think fat girls balls arent balls but calyxes, big fat round bursting balls are girl balls right?

[basementbotany]

definately a hermie!

[deaner]

its seems true, and thats what im hearing, but the balls continue to burst and bud, they have the red hairs squirtin out, they pop out and turn into flowerish things and then just kinda roll out into the budness, if its a hermie will it wreck my other females?, wish i had more time to be on here researchin, i may be wasting my time with a log, time better spent reading old stuff, no time to learn shit cuz i waste it here, i just wanna chop some shit down so i can smoke it, cant buy a loupe in this damn town, people dont know what a loupe is, people are very stupid and a loupe isnt exactly a common thing, so where do i get one? who do i ask? i steal one from a jeweler right? the jeweler at walmart didnt even have one. fuck me, guess i gotta use a credit card and order one, super.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

Sorry I am on vacation and haven't been checking in as often.

First off you DO NOT HAVE A HERMI!!!

What you are seeing are the final stages of ripening. Mine looked similar to yours at this stage I also thought I was going to get seeds but had none.

You don't have to have a loupe, a good magnifing glass can work.

[deaner]

yeah, though they looked like balls, i went with my gut, the bud on that plant looks really special, wish i could capture the photos better. j5 and fatgirl are getting really frosty, j5 will have the best yeild for its little size, i think i got cloning down now, well timing is everything right? i will post pics of bestgirl, i am worried, looking so dried up (the leaves), but its huge, and id guess double what any of my others will yeild, so its gotta make it, but the buds are only growing, not ripining, maybe i got one of those 13 week to flower sativas?

so fatgirl is still fatgirl, came close to calling her lola, l-o-l-a loooo la,
i would have loved her just the same, but i like my ladies all lady.

[stinkyattic]

I see absolutely no evidence of actual male sex parts on that plant. If those of you who voted hermie would save that image, go into edit, and circle what you believe to be nanners, we'll have a look.

HOWEVER when you [deaner] says 'flower-looking things', I think 'uh oh male flowers' since female flowers don't actually look flower-y. The males, however, have a form that does look like tiny flowers with pale yellow petals.

[deaner]

so heres some pics of bestgirl, as you can see, this is my biggest yeilder (I hope) and its maturing the slowest, and getting the yellowest and dryest, most the leaves are gone or dead, and the bud is just shootin hairs. Can a flowering plant die before the buds mature? The rest of the plant seems healthy, the stems are springy, like a boner, so it seems healthy.

i guess i will know the sex on those other 2 soon ,and all my clones look good, stickin straight up and zero yellowing on the leaves. 6 bubblegum clones from 2 different plants, and 3 from a speed queen, and 3 from a (i think) feminized cheese. Big clones, no nutes, aquafina water, dome, in groban cubes. light is whatever they get in the veg area, not in the lights, just enough they could see each other but not enough light to read a book.

[rottenfork]

wow deaner,
They look great excellent job.

[Backpacker420]

Oh my god, you have some incredibly dense buds on those suckers! *mouth watering*

[deaner]

thanks for the props homies. JG- i am so glad you are back. Your help has been very appreciated. The curing process is new to me: So when it's done, i just throw it (the whole plant, in the pot) into a dark room for a few days, then cut it at the base, then hang it for a week, then trim it, then once trimmed and dry, i can throw it into the fridge or i leave it out and "burp" it a few times a day til no more moisture, then store it in the fridge?

or after its done could i just cut it up and dry it already trimmed? Seems like itll dry a lot faster that way, and whats the reasoning behind leaving it whole still in the dirt in the dark for a few days?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

You have everything correct.
First step is place plant in a dark room for 3 days, no trimming. This makes the plant think it is dying and to help protect its seeds it produces all the resin it can. They will come out of the closet sticky like fly paper.

After this then trim the plant of all fan leaves and cut the tips off the small bud leaves. Save these cutting if you want and make hash or hash oil out of them.

Then cut at the stalk and hang for one week in the closet.

You can quick dry a plant at this point, I did just to give me some smoke and slow dried the rest.

[rottenfork]

ive never left it die in the dirt and dark man?
Cut it down ,trim the buds and let it hang in a dark room for a week or two, then when its properly dry (you will know because the twigs will snap not bend ) you can put it into glass mason jars to let it cure, just remember to open the jars for a few minutes every day and it will be happy days from there on in!!!
Peace Bro

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Rottenfork,

It is common practice among us vetran growers and in the FAQ section to do exactly what I told Deaner to do. If there was no benefit we would not be doing it.

[bombdiggity]

Thats a very interesting technique, I never knew about that.

Glad I stumbled on this thread. Nice log by the way :)

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

It is interesting and works!! I learned it from Shovelhandle.

[deaner]

42 days of veg, thats 6 weeks i think, im stoned, sorry. this is a feminized cheese (i think). i have 3 good looking clones from her, and its a matter of waiting for room in the bud room for her and a few of the others at the same age, the 2 newest in the flower room have been in there about 4 days so i should know sex soon, and one of my girls is about a week from being out of there, monday is 60 days, and the smokes real good already. :stoned:

moved the light so 6 plants fit nicely under, i think 6 plants under 600 watts should be good, plus it really fits nice under there. so until i get the 1000watter with the 600hps/400mh mix bulb and all that 800$ in upgrades, 6 buddin at a time will have to do. (I'm thinking 9 in a nice lil square under the 1000..)

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

6 plants under 600 watts is great a lot of space to streach. I fit 9 but in a box so all available light is used.

Your next round is coming along nicely:)
They will do well with 2 more weeks of veg if you are only putting 6 under the 600 watt HPS.

[deaner]

ok all im using for nutes at this time:
veggin: getting botanicare pro grow
early bloomers: 1/2 strength botanicare bloom, sweet
late in flowering: straight water, though a gave a 1/2 strength dose of bloom nutes to one of them.

was thinking of adding to the mix, i would like to stay organic, was thinking thrive? dont know much about it, ive been happy enough with what im using, but if i could add something to make it better, then, well id like to.

the ones that are flowering and are on regulaer water, can they be given bloom nutes if they appear to need it? im thinkin i should have waited to switch to straight water on a couple of them, long flowering time would mean longer on nutes right? could my yellowing leaves mean they are starving?? which is ok at the very end, but when the still mostly hair, they are not close right? too much wondering not enough smokin..

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

Sorry I can't help with the nutes, never used that brand. I use Fox Farms nute program.

I am just wondering do you alternate nute mix and plane water when watering your babies?

[deaner]

i stay with the same mix everyday, the clones get to aquafina, then
once theyre established they will get 1/4 strenth for a week, then 1/2 for a week, then full strength. my 2 closest to being done in bud are getting only water and the 2 that have a week or so at least to go are back on nutes, 1/2 strength now they were on water but i switched back cuz they seemed to need it. after switching bestgirl back, she actually starting to look better. Its gonna be o while on her. j5 is around 50% cloudy yesterday, and tallgirl is 1/4 to 1/3 cloudy, thinking of throwin both or maybe just one into the dark monday night til thursday then cutting and hanging, i want to see some amber trykes first though, does this sound good, i am so excited! the j5 sample was awesome, same was the opinion from my other tester, tasty too, the tallgirl sample wasnt as strong but had skunk/aphgan taste/feel though im no expert. j5 reminds me more of the newer citrisy flavored bud, which i happen to really like. May have to buy a quarter to get thru the rest of the wait.

[rottenfork]

Rottenfork,

It is common practice among us vetran growers and in the FAQ section to do exactly what I told Deaner to do. If there was no benefit we would not be doing it.

interesting stuff, never heard that before ill read up on it and maybe try it out, excuse my ignorance jerry!!!
Looking good Deaner

[deaner]

found my first male plant yesterday, was a speed queen, oh well. And after a week plus, when i looked at that boys clones- none had any roots developing, so i looked a few more and sure enough, they aint gonna make it, glad i got seeds cuz i screwed up the cloning again. so i got some feminized white widow maybe i will start soon.

hard waiting on harvesting now, one plant, j5 appears to be a beast, buds look sick, and the weight of them buds is pulling them over, their too heavy for the branches to hold em up. its gonna be paradise in a glass bowl. the top buds the size of an egg and covered, looks like some top shelf shit. first one getting cut down is decent and should keep me away from j5 til its totally done.

[deaner]

added a speed queen to replace the male queen, its ok we love everyone even male queens, only god hates fags, but he got the hack. was a nice houseplant for the evening.

so in flower now:

bestgirl 62 days of flowering at least 3 weeks to go..
fatgirl 62 days 1-2 weeks to go
j5 62 days and getting out of the room next day or 2, its done
1 female bubblegum <week
1 feminized cheese 2 days
1 speed queen <day

to replace j5 will be next best in veg, they all look nice but probably a bubblegum or queen. the bigbuds are growing nicely, figure they go in when the oldest in flower go out. some in veg will be huge by the time they get into flower..

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

Sounds like you have the growing down. So lets work on cloaning.

It is a long process and needs once daily attention at a minimum, twice is best.

I think you have the initial cutting process down, the problem is my cloans can take 2 weeks or more to root, and some strains are easy or very hard to cloan. One thing I don't think your doing is you need to spray them with plane water 1 to 2 times a day.
Do not use a used spray bottle, it may have residue from its previous contents left in bottle and may hurt the leaves.
I found these tiny spray bottles in the make-up section at CVS (my big pharmacy retail chain) that work great, it puts out an almost atomized spray that is perfect for foiller watering and feeding for $1.00.

The requirements for cloaning are a warm humid enviroment ( Humidome needed )
very soft light ( 6500k, 23w, cfl, or cfls works great.
I actually made a box for cloaning and my mothers using 2- 2 bulb, 32 watt, t-12 shop lights, at HD for $10.00 each. And use 6500k bulbs $7.00 each.

Oh yeh one more thing.




WE WANT BUD PICTURES!!!!!!!

JG.

[deaner]

2 plants are hanging from the ceiling in a dimly lit, occasionally light goes on for 15 minutes or so, with circulating heater 70-75 degrees, and a small fan bounce-blowing up the wall below them. they suddenly look like their dying, weird. i think pics at this point would be kinda dissapointing but i took some yesterday. couldnt sit it in the dark for 3 days, got no unused room that is always dark, only space extra has mary growing in it. theyre hanging, but would they dry faster cut? im afraid of mold. and i cant see the difference from hanging for a week or just cutting and drying already trimmed into buds, is their a big difference? i have cut a couple branches and trimmed them and there drying in my cigar box that i dry all my fresh bought bags in. 3 seeds off j5 so far, im glad but does it mean i screwed up bigtime? not gonna lie, some of tall girl was dryed quick and destroyed. yuck.. gotta wait.

[deaner]

heres them hung
first is tall girl
next is upclose of the top of tallgirl
j5 is now in the next 2 pics

[deaner]

oh yeah i hope these look as sticky in the pics as they do here. i hope i didnt screw up any of the harvestin cuz this stuff looks to be pretty good. most of the plant is hangin and drying, but im a weak person. and i kinda need about a quarter dried and cured asap..

[deaner]

and that plant i was wondering if it was a hermie, fatgirl, well i can only hope her smokes just like cherry cola..cuz shes got alot of surprises under that skirt, she is out of the flower room, buds ripe or not, i think it is, it seed infested and will be a bitch to trim. any one think i should save the seeds, theres gonna be a hundred plus, i will toss em cuz i dont wanna grow tons of lolas later.

[deaner]

what do i do with the hermie bud?
better turned to hash or butter- i need easy
are all the plants that were in contact with it fucked?
how bout the ones that just went in to bud room? the one that has been next to it for 65 days??
i chopped the hermie fatgirl and hung it as individual branches, looks cool, all i had room to do with it. is it worth smokin? the bud looks good and the trykes cloudy 50%. ive found seeds in both tallgirl and j5, just when i think life is good.. and its all workin out..

is my whole flower room infected with hermie cooties? im stressed. need a smoke.. its all f-ing wet.. i need a beer.. im f-ing broke.. got weed to help with.. nope too wet.. i need instant easy hash making thats real good and real good for making the beer money appear..

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

DO NOT HURT THAT HERMI!!!!!!!

Those seeds are feminized!!!!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Go ahead and cut her down and air dry as normal save the buds till good and dry and smoke as personal saving the seeds. I know you will have hunreds but is perfect for great out door grows.

Gardens of garenteed female's:)

[deaner]

ok saving them seeds, the bud seems real good, should i save the other plant bestgirl? shes lookin rough, tropical sativaish, but wonder if she is to be hermied too cuz of 65 days next to my other hermie?

so the bud would be great for personal or butter, i want some butter. sounds great!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner your about to be awashed in so much budage. So from this point you can do what ever the f#@k you feel like:) :) :)

[deaner]

very true dude, and im ok with that! j5 stuff looks amazing, very excited, after all them beans are found, and the butters made, and all that buds dry.. oh man its gonna be great. i will try and get some finished bud photos too.

[Shovelhandle]

Hermie plants often are kick ass powerful compared to their sisters under the same lights and conditions. Outdoor grown hermie bud is usually private stash quality around here. <G>

Cracky

[Hennessy1414]

Deaner your about to be awashed in so much budage. So from this point you can do what ever the f#@k you feel like:) :) :)
hey man would it be worth it to buy a single bottle of cha ching by fox farm to make yur buds extra sticky? :rastasmoke:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Hennasy,

No I don't think you can just get by with cha ching, I feel you could cut out Beasty blooms if you are trying to cut expenses.

Except I got the combo pac for the same or very close to the price of just buying OS and CC.

[Hennessy1414]

Hennasy,

No I don't think you can just get by with cha ching, I feel you could cut out Beasty blooms if you are trying to cut expenses.

Except I got the combo pac for the same or very close to the price of just buying OS and CC.

well i have other bloom ferts but that shit seemed legit. do you have any extra i could possibly buy? :rastasmoke:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Hell yah I can sell you some.

At a 1/4 tsp a gallon you get a lifetime supply of that stuff. I guess I better for $60.00.

[Hennessy1414]

Hell yah I can sell you some.

At a 1/4 tsp a gallon you get a lifetime supply of that stuff. I guess I better for $60.00.

how do i PM u? u got an e-mail? :rastasmoke:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Hennassy,
Sorry,
I ment that sarcastictly. I should have stated that.

Yes FF products are expensive for nutes, I couldn't afford the entire system my first grow. And was very warry of spending that kind of money. That is when the guy at my local hydro store gave me some free samples of OS and CC. I used them and was astounded with the results, I was sold, worth every penny.

So try and get some free samples at your hydo store. he gave me enough for almost an entire grow. As I stated a little goes a long way.

GL JG.

[Hennessy1414]

Hennassy,
Sorry,
I ment that sarcastictly. I should have stated that.

Yes FF products are expensive for nutes, I couldn't afford the entire system my first grow. And was very warry of spending that kind of money. That is when the guy at my local hydro store gave me some free samples of OS and CC. I used them and was astounded with the results, I was sold, worth every penny.

So try and get some free samples at your hydo store. he gave me enough for almost an entire grow. As I stated a little goes a long way.

GL JG.

ya man im down with hydro shops but fuck them ya kno what im sayen. 40 bucks for a 6" inline duct fan at my local shop. and yes i did pick up some ferts for "samples" those people are criminals ya kno :rastasmoke:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Hennassy,

Actually $40.00 for that fan is about right, That is about what I have seen on-line without shipping & handling.

Hey Hennassy we need to stop hijacking Deaners grow log. You can always ask me anything in mine.

Peace and have a hit on me:)

[Hennessy1414]

Hennassy,

Actually $40.00 for that fan is about right, That is about what I have seen on-line without shipping & handling.

Hey Hennassy we need to stop hijacking Deaners grow log. You can always ask me anything in mine.

Peace and have a hit on me:)

wheres ur thread at son? and p.s ive seen 6" duct fans at home depot for 25. i kno thats not an 8" but 2 more inches=$15 more dollars. sorry i aint buyin it.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

My grow log is "2nd grow from cloans and THCB seed".

I have never seen them HD and I asked they say I have to go to a HVAC supplier.

[deaner]

hey you hyjackers what are your demands?? he he im toast, have been for a couple days. i like this growin stuff so much even i dont know how much i like it. the hermie stuff= holy shit!! i rolled the fattest j ever to be smoked by just lil ole me and fuck.. wow.. the stuff smells like a stinky armpit but in a good way.. j5 is some of the best shit ive ever smoked, the smell is offensive, but aslo in a good way. tallgirl is pretty much average shit round here, the reviews are great, i gotta pass the complimrents to the grower, he loves it by the way :smokin: i love my stuff, semi-weigh-semi-guessed-imstoned yeild estimate=

fat girl 2oz completely almost too dry
tallgirl 2oz
j5 1 oz, i had 14 grams or so when it ended upin the "only for me jar"
bestgirl in her seedy sativa growing wild in the jungle way has yet to be weighed, just dropped down low up in the mufuckin gallows today, so a week or so of that stuff and im guessin 3+ oz of ??? either some decent sativa or some throw-in-the hashbox shit?? i cant tell the diifereence dont know if that makes sense or cuz i havent seen many true sativas

and its only gonna get better. my oldest in flower, the bubblegum is showng nice progress, i gotta couple possibel males and started 3 northern ligthts and 2 mystery, i think speed queen, seeds. my first to pop white widow still wearin her helmet, its great, but should i remove the shell somehow? i cant take pics my camera is away, in the boonies in the middle of snowstorm south of here. hope to see it on this side of the shit tommorow. im stoned ths post doesnt count i getta do over tommowror. bestgirl is hangin, i wanna say tropical sativa, big bushy buddage not alot of crystals, fat as my xwifes ass, but not the resiny stuff im used to, probably shit goin in the hash mix.. which is also looking fantasstickk. or j's did i mention the fattest j? bye thanks for reading. i babble when i'm stoned its probably why now im alone.

thanks for the help everyone who has, espescially JG for beweing there through it all.. and my parents, and all the soldiers, and espescially my mufuckin homeboiy, jesus for getting me so incredibly and long-termedly stoned. i needed it. yay!! bedtiem

[deaner]

man its hard to keep up with things with all this good bud around. j5 was definately some great shit, still got like 1/4 oz of it and like a 1/2 oz of hermie, its really good and not as seedy as originally thought, i still may make some into hash if i can hang on to it. still gotta harvest bestgirl, nams ironic, i dont expect much probudtion from her, fluffy gonna roll it and hope its decent last resort smoke if its that good or just crunch it into the hash mix in preogress, no more names like "best". they gonna be bg1, bg2, shit like that cuz i cursed that one strong as voodoo. my oldest in flower, bubblegum, looks great and the second into the 5 gal bucket, i think a cheese, maybe bubblegum, looks real nice, both are really bushy, 4 in there are questionable , i see clues of sex on a couple but still waiting. camera should be located tommorow, really making room on the work in progress flower room, still no idea how to make nice veg box to fit my specs. need big and stealth cabinet, with me being carpenterically useless, i could find my hammer, but the calculater, im a doodler, easy to design, but to built, im fucked. plywood looks like shit, real wood is expensive, prefab ones dont fit my needs width wise, help me im stoned and we all always gotta help the stonedest, i gotta move my veg room in like a week, i can swing the green, but lost for ideas, im short on tools, need a 8 or so 2 gallon pots/ clone shelf/ sprouts space, i got a 4x 4" flourescent, 2 2x 2" flourescent, and 2 cfls, dont wanna buy more loghts, i already got a inline fan, do i really gotta design this whole thing?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Deaner,

I think you are over engineering your boxes. Sounds like you are going to build a tank to contain light. Keep in mind the box is mostly to keep stray light out and growing light in, Not to contain a bomb.

I built all my boxes out of 2x4s and white board. I build a box frame then line it in the white board.
Here are a coulple pics.

Sorry forgot to rotate.

I built mine for around $75.00.

[deaner]

i need stealthy, its gonna be out in a room that i would like to be able to allow others into again, im actually thinking of lookin into prebuilt office cabinet or maybe a wardrobe closet from walmart or something? something that would look totally normal in a room with a futon, a drawing table, and a closet that goes oooommmmmm.... my temporary "the upstairs bathrooms out of order" veg room needs to move, bad. gonna browse costco later since i gotta go anyway, they usually have cool shit, like american gansta fer the dvd which im definately buying.

ive started some seeds, 2 of 3 widows sprouted, got 3 n.lights waiting to sprout, got 2 speed queens just went into dirt. waiting to hopefully find a seed from j5 or 2 and plant them too. oh and 2 or 3 big buds, my big bud thats top broke off looks great, and the tops growing in dirt too, want to flower them side by side eventually.. :stoned: