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Psycho4Bud
12-20-2007, 08:59 PM
You have to hand it to Ron Paul. Most presidential candidates who weren't running as white supremacists themselves would reflexively return a donation from a self-proclaimed racist so fast they would break speed records for financial transactions.

But as has been reported, Paul has decided to keep a $500 donation from Don Black of West Palm Beach who runs a website called Stormfront whose slogan is "White Pride World Wide."

As Paul's campaign explained, it plans to keep the money because that will reduce the cash Black has to spend on spreading his controversial ideology by $500.
The Swamp: Ron Paul's thought-provoking choice on racist's $$$ (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/ron_pauls_thoughtprovoking_cho.html)

For all those getting really excited about anti-war, libertarian Republican Ron Paul, it's worth noting that he's pretty racist and also an anti-Semite.

The Houston Chronicle story linked above contains quotes from a newsletter Mr. Paul put out in the 1980s and 1990s. It includes quotes referring to blacks as crime-prone and "fleet-footed."

Mr. Paul also wrote that "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.

Below are two more news clips making reference to the racist statements in Mr. Paul's newsletter. These problems have clearly been out there since the mid-1990s, but Mr. Paul has been below the radar until now. If he's really going to stay in the debates, perhaps the moderators can deal with this...

Candidate Had Newsletter With Controversial Stance On Blacks

196 words

24 May 1996

CongressDaily/A.M. English

Copyright (c) 1996 National Journal Inc.

A 1992 political newsletter by former Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, included portrayals of African-Americans as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about political issues, the Houston Chronicle reported Thursday. Paul, a former Libertarian Party presidential candidate who defeated Democratic-turned-Republican Rep. Greg Laughlin in the March primary, in November will face Democratic attorney Charles (Lefty) Morris, whose campaign is distributing Paul's writings.

Under the headline "Terrorist Update," Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and wrote, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be." About blacks in Washington, D.C., Paul wrote, "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." Paul said Wednesday that his comments came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time," and that he opposes racism.

In later newsletters, Paul wrote that lobbying groups who seek special favors are evil, and that "by far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government."

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Texas

Newsletter by Paul attacked

Associated Press

329 words

24 May 1996

San Antonio Express-News English

(Copyright 1996)

A 1992 newsletter by Republican congressional candidate Ron Paul highlighted portrayals of blacks as criminally inclined and lacking sense about top political issues.

Reporting on gang crime in Los Angeles, Paul commented: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

Paul, a Surfside obstetrician who won the GOP nomination in the 14th District runoff by defeating incumbent Rep. Greg Laughlin, said Wednesday he opposed racism.

He said his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time."

Paul's Democratic opponent, Charles "Lefty" Morris, said many of Paul's views were "out there on the fringe" and that this fall voters would judge his commentaries.

Morris' campaign distributed selected writings by Paul this week.

Paul, a former congressman and one-time Libertarian presidential nominee, said allegations about his writings amounted to name-calling by the Democrats.

He said he'd produced the newsletter since 1985 and distributes it to an estimated 7,000 to 8,000 subscribers.

Writing in his independent political newsletter in 1992, Paul commented about black men in the nation's capital.

Citing statistics from a 1992 study produced by the National Center on Incarceration and Alternatives, a criminal justice think tank based in Virginia, Paul concluded in his column:

"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

"These aren't my figures," Paul said this week. "That is the assumption you can gather from" the report.

He also wrote: "Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."

Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered "as decent people."
Ron Paul's race problem (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835179/posts)

"Skeletons" and "issues" locked up in the closet..........

Have a good one!:s4:

mfqr
12-20-2007, 10:03 PM
Looks like they're trying pretty hard to smear Ron Paul. These kind of smear-attempts have been made during every single election campaign, even in the 1800s. In fact, IIRC, before Lincoln got elected, they tried smearing him, saying that he supported incest and rape.

I would not take this kind of stuff seriously... and I wouldn't take it seriously even for a candidate that I do not support.

But, it is their right (at least for now!) to smear him and whoever else they want as much as they please.

killerweed420
12-20-2007, 10:20 PM
I don't see anything wrong with what Paul has supposedly said. It is the truth. Its just the politically correct crowd(Dems?) don't like hearing the truth.

epxroot
12-20-2007, 11:39 PM
Are you kidding me? Just because he addresses real issues in the black community he is now a racist? It isn't about he is being a racist he is addressing that there is still a problem with racism and federally funded education.

Fencewalker
12-21-2007, 02:09 AM
Ron Paul Race Smear Erased?
Tuesday, May 22, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com

Internet information claiming that presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) is a racist ?? and made derogatory comments about African Americans - has been making the rounds within the blogosphere. But sources close to the editorial group that published the newsletter (or newsletters) that supposedly carried the comments claim that Ron Paul never had anything to do with them, and wasn??t even aware of them.

These sources say that editorial operation in question was a fairly large one, and profitable for its time - focused in large part on measures that one could take to generate a lifestyle independent of government influence and intervention.

The publication, or publications, comprised a business venture to which Ron Paul lent his name. Headquarters were ??60 miles away? from Ron Paul??s personal Texas offices. At the time that the publications were being disseminated, primarily in the 1980s, Ron Paul was involved in numerous activities including Libertarian politics. He eventually ran for U.S. president as a Libertarian.

??This was a big operation,? says one source. ??And Ron Paul was a busy man. He was doctor, a politician and free-market commentator. A publication had to go out at a certain time and Ron Paul often was not around to oversee the lay out, printing or mailing. Many times he did not participate in the composition, either.?

This source and others add that publications utilized guest writers and editors on a regular basis. Often these guest writers and editors would write a ??Ron Paul? column, under which the derogatory comments might have been issued.

Says one source, ??Ron Paul didn??t know about those comments, or know they were written under his name until much later when they were brought to his attention. There were several issues that went out with comments that he would not ordinarily make. He was angry when he saw them.?

Ron Paul has said that he did not write the comments in question, but, nonetheless, has taken "moral" responsibility for them.

An excerpt from an apparent interview with Texas Monthly as quoted on the blog Everything2.com clarifies the above information as follows:

"In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of 'current events and statistical reports of the time.' He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

"When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, 'I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.' ...

"His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: 'They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. "It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it." ' It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time."

The operative sentence in the above would seem to be: ??What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.? The remarks may well have been seen as out of character because they were not written by Ron Paul, and he had no knowledge of them and no input into their composition, even though he eventually took responsibility for them.

Adds a source aware of the current tempest over these remarks, ??Anybody who claims that Ron Paul made the comments in question is deliberately mis-stating what occurred to make political points. It is a measure of [his opponents] desperation that they are dredging this up again. Anybody who reads all that he has written ?? and there??s lots of it ?? could see that right away.?

Ron Paul Race Smear Erased? - Free Market News Network (http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822)

meatw4d
12-21-2007, 02:54 AM
caution: egg shells ahead

killerweed420
12-21-2007, 03:28 AM
This is why I said "if its true". Too much shit floating around the net and too easy to manipulate it.

Psycho4Bud
12-21-2007, 04:34 AM
LMAO! Went fishin' and caught myself a few didn't I? No, he didn't make them statements himself but one of his people did. Since it was "under his administration" for lack of better terms doesn't the "buck stop their" as all the Constitutionalists would say?

Next, as for the press attack.......REEL THEM IN! LOL....seems that the press attack on Huckabee along with a statement from Ron Paul linking him to facism hasn't received as much back lash in here as this did.

What's wrong is wrong and what's right is right........

Have a good one!:s4:

bestbet
12-22-2007, 09:16 PM
anyone who doesn't see those statement made by ron paul, or whomever, as racist is truly ignorant in every sense of the word

pwn3dy0
12-23-2007, 07:03 AM
Anyone who sincerely believes Ron Paul is a "racist" needs to get their head examined. As they are most likely legally retarded, and can't add 2+2 together. I hate to be so blunt, but i'm sorry -- I don't know how else to put it.

Anyone against the "war on drugs", which more or less is "A war on minorities" who are too stupid to read between the lines -- anyone against this illegitimate war is not racist. Under the "Rockefeller Laws" and under statues if you get caught selling $5 of crack rock you are going to prison a MINIMUM 15 years, a MAXIMUM of life without parole. Minorities almost always have the book thrown at them-- opposed to whites who are given a slap on the wrist ,or plea down to probation and community service.

Look at the war on drugs statistics. 3/4 users are non-hispanic whites, However, blacks are much more likely to be arrested -- and receive longer sentences. I urge all of you ignorant folks out there to RESEARCH the "war on drugs", the statistics and the blatant racism behind it. Research the statistics for yourself.

Hell, we have Mike Ruppert ex LAPD narocotics officer going public about how the LAPD and CIA worked together to get crack into the inner cities, so they could arrest and imprison more african-americans. ex-Senator John Kerry who investigated this had to admit it was true, although he did a great job whitewashing it.

Ron Paul is anything but a "racist". Get real people.

norkali
12-23-2007, 09:38 AM
So, wait.....

What's the point of this thread?

....Really?


??Anybody who claims that Ron Paul made the comments in question is deliberately mis-stating what occurred to make political points. It is a measure of [his opponents] desperation that they are dredging this up again. Anybody who reads all that he has written ?? and there??s lots of it ?? could see that right away.?

Ron Paul Race Smear Erased? - Free Market News Network (http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822)


BUSTED! So-Called White Supremecist Group Exposed As Israeli Propaganda Operation (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/whitesupremicistisisraelishill.php)


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killerweed420
12-23-2007, 09:42 AM
anyone who doesn't see those statement made by ron paul, or whomever, as racist is truly ignorant in every sense of the word
Anyone who looks in a newspaper and doesn't see blacks doing more stupid shit than any other ethnicity in the inner city has blinders on. All their bullshit idols singing that rap crap about killing cops ain't helping any either.

randomname4888
12-23-2007, 11:07 AM
...such bullshit... they will do anything in there power to try to fuck up ron pauls chances

Reefer Rogue
12-23-2007, 02:54 PM
The statistics speak for themselves, enough said. Except for marijuana coz that's not a crime. He doesn't sound racist to me.

bobthenuker
12-23-2007, 07:40 PM
He's not a racist....jeez get over yourselves, I've seen racists....real racists...a racist he is not so neee:dance:

JDMBoy420
12-24-2007, 04:53 AM
lol ! All of a sudden the ghetto isnt dangerous, and the teens who run the streets arent.?

Enemy of Real1ty
01-04-2008, 10:44 AM
Ron Paul Rascist? :S2:
And since when is anti Zionism being rascist?

ceecee79
01-04-2008, 01:52 PM
About blacks in Washington, D.C., Paul wrote, "I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." Paul said Wednesday that his comments came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time," and that he opposes racism.


How about 95% of all people in DC are criminal, especially the ones in the White House? Inhabited by many politicians and lobbyists, let's not just focus on the black people. Perhaps he was speaking of drug crime or the murder rate, I think he should factor in larceny (from the American people), purgery, bribery, all the more common white-collar crimes, lol.

I am very pleased that Obama finished 1st in Iowa, I think it is a good sign of things to come.

Nailhead
01-05-2008, 07:17 AM
caution: egg shells ahead

I was going to say bullshit ;)

Saying Ron Paul is a racist is kinda like how some Christians read the bible as saying God wants us to bomb abortion clinics and kill fags. Stupid people will take any dumb headline and run with it, that doesn't make it true. Anybody that knows what Ron Paul is about knows he is the least racist of all candidates. He consistently refers to people as "individuals" rather as "groups" such as white, black, gay, straight, etc. Seems like you can't be truthful and white anymore without being called a racist :rolleyes:

Nailhead
01-06-2008, 06:16 AM
For those of you that believe into this racist garbage, I dare you to watch just 18 minutes of Ron Paul defending himself on this issue and many other more important ones. In the 2nd video you can clearly see he is not a racist by what he believes.

Split into two parts about 9 minutes each:
Part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ceoCx_wTDUg

Part 2 - Touches on the race issue
http://youtube.com/watch?v=87zLW04zee8