super national ID card passes house

[pisshead]

http://infowars.com/articles/ps/nat_id_super_card_passes_house.htm

lots of links...

[moomoo]

lets see what happens in the senate(i cant believe that thing got passed) is there anyway i could listen to Alex jones? does he have a radio show that anyone in the whole country can hear? he must be local in your area. if he is ever on tv (like 2020 or whatever )could you let us know? i think im starting to like this guy

[pisshead]

yeah, go to www.infowars.com and there are 2 streams. he's on live from 11am to 2pm every weekday, and the same show will air again from 9pm to midnight that night. the links are towards the top.

this is central US time also.

http://infowars.com/listen.html
he's also on global shortwave...if you have a shortwave radio. i've heard of devices you hook up to your computer that transmits to a certain radio frequency, so you can have it online, but then tune into that frequency and listen to it on your own radio, which makes it more convenient if you don't have good speakers or you don't want to sit at your computer to hear it.

he has a local access TV show that's live 2 nights a week for an hour. you can watch them at www.prisonplanet.tv...but that's for people who subscribe. it's like $6 a month i think. but that also gets you all of his documentary videos for that cost, other documentaries, several books and his best radio interviews.

you can hear past radio shows at www.prisonplanet.com in the audio section.

he really is a good guy. i assisted in editing his newest documentary, and he spends 18+ hours a day doing radio and TV interviews and researching. his doc. dark secrets inside bohemian grove has aired numerous times on the TRIO network, and his local access TV show is broadcast around the country on other local access stations, and even in boardrooms in China, oddly enough. he barely sleeps, gets death threats, and is genuinely concerned about where this country is headed.

[moomoo]

he sounds kind of like a michael moore type .i wonder why ive never heard of him. has he ever hooked up w/ michael? is he ever on air america? i tried the audio but coulndnt get it going(my computer-something wrong-still learning.)ill try another time hes definatley one of the good guys.

[pisshead]

michael moore is kind of like this 'left' media stooge, some strawman to represent any opposition to bush, and to label him a 'liberal' or a 'democrat'...which further creates this left/right paradigm that so many people use as their perspective.

alex jones goes beyond the left and the left and exposes both sides for their similarity, and their lies and corruption.

alex has done coast to coast with george noory...
www.coasttocoastam.com
he gets about 20 million hits on his website after he's on that show.

you don't see him on the mainstream like fox or cnn (although he's discussed and was shown on c-span)...i would say because the mainstream is totally controlled.

there was a story about muslims in america voting for president. and o'reilly cut a guy from his show when he found out he was voting for mike badnarik, the libertarian candidate. o'reilly wanted someone for kerry, so he could show both contrived 'sides'...

the only other guy they could find to come on was also a muslim, voting for badnarik. so they finally had to have him on the show, but they instructed him not to say 'badnarik' on the air.

in our free country. he said he would indeed say badnarik, and they had to let him say it, because the interview had to happen...

you're definitely not going to see an alex jones type, and there are many around the country, getting that kind of air time.

[moomoo]

we need more of his type. ihate fox news. i locked it up so no one could turn it on. to me, its the voice of fascism. its not even news i watched them and the other 2 during the 1st heavy part of the iraq war(when it was dramatic in the very beginning) and i saw that there reporting was very innacuate, they always have to say that they are fair and balanced i thouhht why do they always have to say that? then i found out-because their NOT. after finding out the truth or searching for the truth i should say, i think ther a bunch of lying fascists pushing the agenda that infowars is talking about. they are not welcome in my livingroom

[Libertarian Toker]

we need more of his type. ihate fox news. i locked it up so no one could turn it on. to me, its the voice of fascism. its not even news i watched them and the other 2 during the 1st heavy part of the iraq war(when it was dramatic in the very beginning) and i saw that there reporting was very innacuate, they always have to say that they are fair and balanced i thouhht why do they always have to say that? then i found out-because their NOT. after finding out the truth or searching for the truth i should say, i think ther a bunch of lying fascists pushing the agenda that infowars is talking about. they are not welcome in my livingroom


Jones is a sensationalist that exagerates, and makes up tall tales to sell books and videos. Of course this is just my opinion, and PH will tell you all about how AJ's only care is for the people to be free from the tyranny he says he exposes, and all sorts of other things that put a good light on AJ. AJ's a saint sent by god to deliver us from the evil Freedom killing hords that are out there ploting to take our every liberty as we speak to hear some people tell it. Why they have been planning to take our Freedom since long before we even had any Freedom. Hundreds of years to be exact. Maybe even thousands. I doubt PH's hero, there fore your will hear PH say all manner of wierd shit about me. He can't stand that AJ is a propagation master, or that I say it, and so he will hide from that fact by attacking me instead of facing the truth that his master is not what he seems. He will get really sarcastic, claim I don't like things like free speech, that I am brainwashed, and then procced to spread propaganda in a systematic way for his master. Yep, step right up and let AJ tell ya what to think everyday. PH calls that thinking for his self. I call it brainwashed. Carefull what you believe, not all is always as it seems to be. Some people rush to get away from one side so fast that they can't see where it is they are going. I hope you will not do that MooMoo.

Toker

[moomoo]

im a seeker and i like to hear about all different things. With all the stuff thats been happening in this country in the last 20 years, its interesting to see that the shit really is ready to hit the fan, i mean with all the changes going on here. you have to admit that there has to be some truth behind all this. i sure dont trust bush. why would this guy risk his life doing and saying what he is saying(actually i havent read any of his books or have seen any of his docs yet i just heard of him yesterday !the police state trailer hit home i remember viet-nam war protests in nyc where you could get arrested but they didnt put you in a dirty old pier .i remember the race riots too in the late 60`s ;thats when the cops started wearing hard hats.people were fighting in the streets ,fires galore.,crazy times, anyway i like to muse ,i have a lot of heros

[Libertarian Toker]

I'm not telling you not to look at different things, I'm asking you to look closely at what you do see. If you close your mind to one side, and it looks like you are doing that a little to me, then your missing a lot. You can't lock everything you find offencive out of your life. If you only believe or see one side, the chances of being controled become greater. Mind control comes in many forms. No one holds the patent for it.

A little more on AJ.
http://www.lindenreport.com/ac/alex.html

And some more
http://www.politicalhobbyist.com/debunked/alexjones.html

Toker

[moomoo]

ok, but i found www.911truth.org way before i found this site. 0n the network news today they were saying that the govt knew that the attacks were going to happen and they let it go .ok, infowars is quite a dramatic website, i admit, but i really kind of always thought that there was more to it Im not going to go thru the boring overdone reasons why beause you know why, theres just too many things that are changing. btw when was the last time you saw the terror color codes on the 3 big ones?(ms,cnn,fox) i dont watch fox but the other 2 dont show it any more and i also thought that it was interesting on inaugaration that there was a "terror scare" in boston. the govs of mass and nh(both my states) had to leave even when the news was being reported they kept on saying that the news was unsubstanciated and then in fact turned out to be a hoax. made the police come out in full force scaring people it was ridiculous. i new it was a farce from day 1. thereis just to much creepy stuff goig on right now check out www.commomdreams.com for a not so dramatic website. theres a few more i could let you know about as well

[pisshead]

people were all over the streets of new york coming up to alex saying they knew this person that warned them about the attack, and this person told them not to go to manhattan on the morning of the attacks...buildings and schools around the area were pretty empty, the buildings were pretty empty themselves...as people were told to go back inside, before the bombs went off that the firefighters reported.

this is well documented.

the government told us the firefighter tapes malfunctioned, but good firefighters released them, and you could hear them saying there were small pockets of fire, and to send more people up, they had it under control...

fema was there the day before for 'drills'...norad stands down because of drills of exactly what was taking place...

we have the government at every level of this CRIME, which is what it is, a crime, lying to us. even perpetuating those lies in the 911 commission report, which i have, and i've read a lot of. it's bullshit. it's lies.

and how did the feds respond to this crime (just like waco and the oklahoma city bombing...watch the road to tyranny for free...there's a 30 minute section on the oklahoma city bombing...another inside operation)...what did they do? they shipped away the evidence.

criminals usually try to demolish the crime scene. the oklahoma city remains under wackenhut guard to this day, several feet below the ground, under tons of concrete. what are they hiding?

we are supposed to accept these lies, as the people who are responsible for the attacks get raises and are praised and get more funding and control.

nutjob (sarcasm) alex jones was on his radio and TV show MONTHS before 9/11 saying the white house is going to use bin laden to attack NYC...

he's not the only one.

people knew. the government knew, intentionally didn't stop it, aided and funded and trained the terrorists...and then used them as patsys. drills were run in the preceding months before 911, with the hijackers simulating an event. bush had drills as well where he would be told that we were under attack, before 911.

remember the actor james woods...he was on a flight with mohammed atta and he told the stewardess that he thought a hijacking was being simulated. he went on TV, the feds told him to shut up. that's the end of that.

this is called freedom. alex jones didn't make this up. he's one of hundreds of prominent people around the country exposing the government for carrying out these attacks.

[pisshead]

also, you'll find his video for free all over the internet. he's so concerned about making money that he spends 18+ hours a day working to put out videos so he can sell them, and then tell people to make as many copies as they can, and to spread them around. they air all over the country on access TV, on the Trio network.

he's on about 50 radio affiliates around the country.

there's a guy who calls in regulary, an older guy, who's made thousands of copies, and has basically made his whole town aware of what's going on. and they are resisting the federal takeover because they see through the lies and excuses by the FEDS to federalize everything, get rid of the 10th amendment, and basically the rest of the bill of rights.

some people think that's bad to be aware of what their government is doing, i don't.

check these out as well:
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=4650 (watch road to tyranny if you'd like)
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=10808 (a little more about the oklahoma city bombing)

i'll even mail you a few copies of his videos if you want...let me know.

[email protected]

i've done this other board members before...from here:
http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/boardview.shtml?1x0

i'm not a wacko serial killer.

you'll notice mr. chinnery is bored by government sponsored. perhaps he'd rather blame the evil freedom hating muslims who magically made NORAD stand down and warned government 'officials' not to fly...somehow commanded by a guy in a cave on the other side of the world.

[moomoo]

just got thumbnails so sound. dont know whats wrong with this computer or im doing something wrong im new at this(computer)

[Herbaholic00]

For any one that wants to get active

http://www.no2id.org/



Peace

[Libertarian Toker]

just got thumbnails so sound. dont know whats wrong with this computer or im doing something wrong im new at this(computer)

Well I am having trouble getting them also, so it may not be your computer. I always have had trouble with PH's links to movies. I have been able to get a trailer and a few radio addresses, but for the most part those movies that are free are not as available as claimed, even more so if they just came out. People will rush to get the new ones as quick as they can, and that will lead to paying for it to get them as fast as possible. Pisshead will send you one in vhs though, so all is well if anyone ask's about all the sales offers being pitched, and then it can still be said that AJ gives the stuff for free.

Toker

[pisshead]

just got thumbnails so sound. dont know whats wrong with this computer or im doing something wrong im new at this(computer)

i went to:
http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=opensource_movies&collectionid=Masters_of_Terror

and masters of terror played on my windows media player without a problem. oh my god, and it's free!

and then i went here:
http://www.archive.org/movies/details-db.php?collection=independent_news&collectionid=911theRoadtoTyranny

and 911 the road to tyranny played fine in my windows media player...

so i'm not sure what the problem is...

on each page, did you click on the windows media links under the movie files section? it's just above the reviews on each page. you'll be clicking on "94.2" and "244.9"...those are the file sizes.

free, wow. crazy. and i found those with a simple google search.

[Libertarian Toker]

I got one to work in mini mode, I'll watch it, and tell you my opinion later.

Toker

[pisshead]

you can spare it, your opinion has been proven worthless.

actually, i'm looking forward to a good laugh.

[Libertarian Toker]

It's masters of terror. So far it's taking for ever to load. The intro was very mind numbing visuals and sound bites designed to set you in a certain mood. Kind of a pre-conditioning before the real conditioning begins. It reminded me of something out of a propaganda nightmare. We shall see what comes next.

Toker

[pisshead]

hahahaha........

you pulled through with that. thanks.

i notice you can never attack issues...probably because you're so ignorant of the subjects at hand that you have nothing to say...actually, i know that's what it is...it's pretty obvious.

i'd also reccomend for everyone else to watch road to tyranny first...it covers oklahoma city in about 25 or so minutes and then goes onto 911 and covers a lot of other different topics after that...and masters of terror actually follows up 911 the road to tyranny...

[Libertarian Toker]

It's all true, he say's so himself!

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

Problem reaction solution???? Now where is it that I have heard that before? Polly want a cracker?

Toker

[pisshead]

yeah, that's called the hegelian dialectic, oh wise and intelligent one.

alex jones didn't make it up, and it's pretty historical.

embrace your ignorance.

[Libertarian Toker]

Very nice visuals about christians. I have a few doubts about suicide, and admiting guilt though. They say those who win write the history. It's a fact that history is not as it is wrote in a lot of cases. A lot of times perception is wrote as truth of certain event's or points in time. Usually long after the event happened. If the writer is at the event, then it is his perception we have to go by. As we all know, percptions can be very different from one to another person.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

He seems kind of like he thinks if there is an act of war or terror, that it most certainly had to be caused by the people being attacked with it. So if a real attack happens, it's seems AJ would say it was not real whether it was or not, and that it was made up to sell a war or tyranny or some such thing. I can see where it has happened, that in no way means it is again. Sometime ligit things happen also.

Toker

[Libertarian Toker]

yeah, that's called the hegelian dialectic, oh wise and intelligent one.

alex jones didn't make it up, and it's pretty historical.

embrace your ignorance.

I'm sure your right! Say PH, where did you hear about it first? Master of puppets is pulling your strings PH. He's won your mind in this war for your mind he speaks of. What's the first thing to die in a war PH? The truth, that's what.

Toker

[pisshead]

hahaha, yeah, right.

so it would make a difference if i first saw it in an encyclopedia? i sure wasn't taught about it in school...which means it's not important, right?

i wish i could deny deny deny and be ignorant and not really care about what's happening to the country while calling myself a libertarian, like you.

i would also credit him with getting me to read the patriot act and model state emergency health powers act and anti-terror and effective death penalty act...is that bad too? should i have not read those? i guess we're all better off not knowing what the government is doing.

thanks for showing me the light, 'libertarian'...

[Libertarian Toker]

Gee, you needed someone to get you to read the patriot act? Well I guess your right after all, and there is a use for a person like AJ.

"i wish i could deny deny deny and be ignorant and not really care about what's happening to the country while calling myself a libertarian, like you."

It's easy man, all you have to do is throw off the chains of mind control and let go of the words of fear.

"thanks for showing me the light, 'libertarian'..."

I guess this is supposed to mean if you don't agree with AJ, you can't be Libertarian. Nice logic PH. I wonder if it's the same flawed logic that you aply to everything?

Toker

[pisshead]

no, that's what you thought i meant.

tell me, has tyranny ever come to unsuspecting populations before? and do you think they were scared when it did? how do governments get their populations to give up their rights?

can you think of 1 example?

because they were scared, did that mean it wasn't happening?

also, why aren't you accusing ron paul of trying to scare people and achieve fame and fortune?

[moomoo]

okay guye calm down smoke a bowl have anice relaxing sunday. not to change the subject. but what are your thoughts on that planted white housr reporter. i think his name is Gannon. bush+co planted him there,been there for 2 yrs asking strange question making the other reporters suspicios. well he quit when they found out that he wasnt from a big news agency you know who i mean?

[moomoo]

i should say real new agency any i thing its rather strage i dont remember any other pres doing that even nixon

[pisshead]

yeah, that's really bizarre. who knows just what exactly is going on with that...the whole disappearing domain and all that...

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/279556p-239417c.html

http://rense.com/general62/pros.htm

http://forum.truthout.org/blog/story/2005/2/10/83242/3251

[Libertarian Toker]

"tell me, has tyranny ever come to unsuspecting populations before?"

Why yes PH, it has. It has also come to suspecting populations too. What's your point?

"and do you think they were scared when it did?"

You just don't get the difference between reality and distortion do you? If you make false claims as truth, then your spreading fear of an unreal thing. It is fake, and therefor a fraud. If Aj says he knows osama is dead, and later it comes out he is not dead, then he has spread fear with an untrue statement. He is saying fear your government because, and then list's off the ways. Some are good reasons, some are total BS. All is exagerated out of proportion.

"also, why aren't you accusing ron paul of trying to scare people and achieve fame and fortune?"

He's an elected official doing the duty he was elected to do. He is not doing it for money, as he has all he needs. He is doing it for something I doubt you could understand. Honor and pride in a system he believes in, and the Freedom he defends! He does it without all the drama and book selling also. Ron's motivations are completely different then Aj's.

Toker

[pisshead]

so ron paul can say exactly what alex is regarding us turning into a police state, but he's allowed to because he's elected...ron paul does it not to scare people, alex does is to scare people.

so it all goes back to doublethink...

i get it. i should have known.

[moomoo]

wow gay prostiution! !hey thats rich. i didnt know the whole story! imagine if it was duing clinton?? i wonder if the press will make a big deal about it or shove it under the rug??

[pisshead]

yeah, under bush it's very conservative...

just like the national id -- what the topic of this post used to be, before toker yet again (quite a track record of this) turned it into an i hate alex jones whine fest -- trillions missing from the pentagon, an explosion in the size and scope of government and spending...

yeah, bush is very conservative. i like how bush cut the budget down to 2.6 or 7 trillion, when under clinton's last year it was 1.9 trillion i think.

how is 2.6 a cut from 1.9...more doublethink...just accept it. more lies, just accept them. and don't dare question the government.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2004/220704gaypornstar.htm

[Libertarian Toker]

so ron paul can say exactly what alex is regarding us turning into a police state, but he's allowed to because he's elected...ron paul does it not to scare people, alex does is to scare people.

so it all goes back to doublethink...

i get it. i should have known.

Hmmm, funny that you would bring up the fear thing. I just watched as Aj said how the government is making us fear terrorist and such as he is trying to make us fear the government at the very same time using the very same tactics. Interesting turn of events in the video.

Northwoods? I think we have been over that enough. It's a fake, and it's been proven to be a fake.

Toker

[pisshead]

"This bill could have a chilling effect on the exercise of our constitutionally guaranteed rights. It re-defines "terrorism" in broad new terms that could well include members of firearms rights and anti-abortion groups, or other such groups as determined by whoever is in power at the time. There are no prohibitions against including such information in the database as information about a person's exercise of First Amendment rights or about a person's appearance on a registry of firearms owners.

This legislation gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to expand required information on driver's licenses, potentially including such biometric information as retina scans, finger prints, DNA information, and even Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) radio tracking technology. Including such technology as RFID would mean that the federal government, as well as the governments of Canada and Mexico, would know where Americans are at all time of the day and night."
--Ron Paul referring to HR 418.


if you think total despotism isn't something to fear, then there's something wrong with you.

is ron paul trying to scare us here? it sounds like it...you should write him and tell him that. even though, according to you, he's allowed to scare people and make them fear the government.

if alex jones said this, you'd be right on it saying he's instilling fear and trying to make us fear the government and make money...

explain again why ron paul can say something like this?

i suppose we should praise and beg for national id cards...you'll be the first in line.

[Libertarian Toker]

"if you think total despotism isn't something to fear, then there's something wrong with you."

Your claims are just that, claims. They don't add up to a hill of beans. Of course I would fear "total despotism", and that is the reason you play on it. That's not what we have though. It's just another exageration of yours. Or Aj's more then likely.

"is ron paul trying to scare us here?"

Maybe a little. So now that you realize it is done by a lot of people for different reasons, why do you only bash the governemt for doing it? Why not bash yourself, or Ron for it too?

"if alex jones said this, you'd be right on it saying he's instilling fear and trying to make us fear the government and make money"

No, Aj would say it was because of the NWO take over, and part a plan to inprison the planet. As I have said all along, AJ's exagerations spoil his meassage. Your a dipshit if it has not sunk in by now that I am not completely against what his message is. It is the BS that he mixes up in it, and the mind control tactics, that I find distastfull. Well, that and the fact that he is a sensationalist preying on suckers like you. And there is a bunch of suckers out ther like you spreading Aj's BS around and driving away people that would more then likely believe a person like Ron Paul. Mainly because he leaves out the large doses of BS AJ loads his message with.

"if alex jones said this, you'd be right on it saying he's instilling fear and trying to make us fear the government and make money... "

He does do it to make money PH. It's a hard truth you will one day have to accept.

"explain again why ron paul can say something like this?"

As usual, I see your having trouble understanding and need a helping hand to find the meaning in the words. It's OK man, I know your trying. I think I may be enabling you by helping you so much, so I am thinking you may have to start figuring some stuff out by yourself. You need to learn to think for yourself at some point, and stop relying on others to do it for you.

" i suppose we should praise and beg for national id cards...you'll be the first in line."

I suppose your wrong, again. But I suppose if you really want too, you can go right ahead and stand in that line.

Toker

[pisshead]

more meaningless drivel. thanks.

[Libertarian Toker]

Your welcome!

Toker

[moomoo]

ok if i could but in, i thought it was interesting, on one of clips that i managed to get a little of, it was mentioned that Marvin Bush was head of security at the trade center and that his job expired in 9/11/01 what are your thoughts on that?

[Libertarian Toker]

"what are your thoughts on that?"

It would seem my thoughts have been wrote off as meaningless drivel, and are not worth anything. Are you sure you wish to hear my meaningless drivel on the issue of Marvin Bush?

Marvin pulled the whole thing off to get revenge for losing his job. That's what I think happened!?!?!. Actualy it really doesn't matter what I think, I may be wrong. The truth is that going by what we think could have happened, instead of what did, can lead to believing in things that are not true. The human mind can play a lot of tricks on us.

Toker

[moomoo]

it was meant for anyone to answer.of course he wasnt out to get revenge! i just thought it was strange. according to Maureen Dowd in her book Bushworld , marvin is the silent one ,doesnt want to get involved , ect.i had no idea that he was head of security there. just like i had no idea that bushs limo was egged until i saw the movie

[moomoo]

i just found out that my congessman jeb bradley co-sponsered this bill im really pissed. i didnt vote for him www.house.gov/bradley but i do occasionally send him emails what a slime!!

[pisshead]

he says it will stop another 911 style attack...i wonder how...considering 'terrorists' can just get a fake card still...

i guess those who are against the national id card are just like the terrorists then...and hate freedom.

the freedom to have to show your papers to drive a car or get on a plane or a train.

this will in no way keep us safe...it actually makes us less safe, but in the world of doublethink, who am i to question the loving government that only wants to keep me safe...?

[moomoo]

and on the world news tonite they announced the mileage tax. so now evryone knowsThey s aid they would take away the gas tax, and replace it with a mileage tax. this guy just bought a hybrid and was pissed becuse his job required him to drive a lot of miles, thought hed save on gas now chareged for miles? bad for environment too since gas will be cheaper(but i wonder about that too-for how long) and we are charged by the miles.people less likly to buy hybrids so the price of them will never come down so the average person coul d afford one in the 1st place

[pisshead]

yeah, the mileage tax a couple years ago was a conspiracy theory, now it's happening and people who thought it was a nutjob conspiracy will now either not care, or think it's normal and good.

this is the new world order psychology. announce plans and start funding programs like this, it doesn't exist it's not real, it comes to fruition, people accept it. it's incrementalism. dictatorship doesn't appear overnight. you gradually turn up the heat slowly...

'officials' in austin have come out and said that the average toll per year for an average driver will be around 1500 to 1800 a YEAR.

on top of the coming national sales tax (which will be on top of fica)...they're preparing the mass looting wholesale.

and the police state is well built for when pension funds are stolen and electricity and water and gas and all other prices go up and up and up and people start protesting.

do a google search for "imf riot" or "imf riot greg palast"...this is being done on purpose. check out "imf argentina" as well.

[Libertarian Toker]

I'm sure you will take my questions as meaning I suport this new way of taxing, but in reality I don't support it.

Tell me PH, exactly how is taxing the road instead of gas a NWO psychology plan to install a dick? How is it that this helps their plan to round up and exterminate 80% of the population? These pensioners that will protest the prices of stuff, will they be rounded up and put in concentration camps? If so, who is it that will do something like rounding up old people to put in concentration camps? Do we already have old people concentration camps called retirerment homes? Elderly care?

"yeah, the mileage tax a couple years ago was a conspiracy theory, now it's happening and people who thought it was a nutjob conspiracy will now either not care, or think it's normal and good."

No, it wasn't. It was talk of more taxes. Something that this government has done since it's first day in charge so long ago. It's nothing new, and it's not proof of any impending police state by the NWO. Even though it may be happening, you have still turned it into a nutjob conspiracy. You should be protesting the taxing, not promoting the NWO theory with it.

"dictatorship doesn't appear overnight. you gradually turn up the heat slowly"

You have been saying that for years. When exactly will it show up? You have history to tell you all about it, so you should know how long it takes to get the job done, of at least some idear of how long. Are we talking two or three years, ten years, 20, a hundred? How long did it take in history for hitler to take power and totaly corrupt the system? How about Stalin? How long did the people you like to point at in history take to gain power and corrupt the systems they controled? Dictatorships usualy lead to revolution, and in turn peace and Freedom for the people. Short lived as it is. Soon after victory, more tyranny arises from the ashes of every revolution. All forms of government are tyrrany PH. if you truely hate tyranny as much as it seems you do, then it seems to me you would not want any form of government. That is impossible these days, well, unless you kill off 80% of the population maybe.

"'officials' in austin have come out and said that the average toll per year for an average driver will be around 1500 to 1800 a YEAR. "

Dang, you should fight that new tax of yours, not help it! You may as well be talking about aliens with that method of yours. Your way of trying to get your message across, or really I should say AJ's way as your just an imatation of him, turns people off. It is directed at a certain group that is easly swayed by visuals, sound bites, and someone constently telling you that what he is saying is true, when clearly most of it is not.

Sounds like they really want your cash in Texas. You know the fact that you live in Texas may be why you think there is a police state going on. Have you ever been out of Texas PH?

"on top of the coming national sales tax (which will be on top of fica)...they're preparing the mass looting wholesale."

They have been looting the people for a very long time PH, it's not a sign of the impending doom, it is a continuing of a pain in the ass we have always had. You call it creeping NWO, I call it creeping socialism.

"and the police state is well built for when pension funds are stolen and electricity and water and gas and all other prices go up and up and up and people start protesting."

If the people truely turned against the police, the police would be wiped out in a matter of days. The people would over run them as if they were not there.

I'm not seeing this road tax in CO, is this a federal thing, or is it a state by state thing?

The IMF protest's are pre-planned events complete with side shows and all manner of staged shows. Like you have turned a good message into bs with exagerations, they have too with green hair and a circus type festival.

http://www.countercurrents.org/glo-palast151003.htm

[moomoo]

I saw the mileage tax segment on cbs news last nite .valentines day. i THINK its federal becuse they said it would replace the gas tax. this has nothing to do with tolls its a totally different issue. we have tons of tolls up here in new england. the question is : how long will the gas prices stay down, they always have some lame excuse for raising the price .what are the gas prices in your areas, just out of curiosity? nh has lower state tax and we have "cheap gas mondays" here . im over the border in nh so mondays are a madhouse. about 5-6 gas stations participate . its all on Rt 1 and everyone wants their cheap gas, so it can get a little crazy on mondays here..i paid 1.79 down from last week which was 1.83 .the rest of the week add 6 cents mass. has higher state tax its in the 1.90`s this is for reg

[pisshead]

gas around varies from about 1.75 to 1.85. it's going to be ratcheted up to around $5 or $6 a gallon eventually, so the feds say. they'll raise it a lot, then bring it down a little, etc...

[Libertarian Toker]

It's about 1.73 steady for a few weeks now. It was down to 1.63, but then went up a little. I live in Colorado. There is only one troll road in Colorado, and it's fairly new. A private company paid to build the thing, and so they live under a bridge to collect money to use it. You don't have to use it to get around. As a matter of fact, I never use it. Paying a troll a lot must suck! I know the few times I have been around were there are heavy trolls to pay, it was a bummer.

Toker

[moomoo]

thats funny!Troll road!!lol the main superhighways are troll roads around here. i never use them as i hate big highways anyway. We have I95 .93 and 84(or9)cant remember

[moomoo]

I dont think ive see. 1.63 sice the big increase. the lowest ive gotten is 1.67 and that was quite a while ago