First Ever Grow, Obviously

[Weedhound]

Looks like you may indeed have a seed or two hiding out.....that's......a FEW....nanners hanging about. How bad were you this grow about light leaks? Reverse young jedi!! :wtf:

Sounds good about the screen. Flushing usually takes about 3 days with a good flushing agent so anything after that is plain RO water (watch ph......ALWAYS watch ph) and your preference on trichs.

See you are already passing on the wisdom and troubleshooting other people's grows.....AWESOME FEELING OF POWER, EH??? :D

[Rock.Steady]

well, not so much a power thing, more like a helping, pay-back, pay-forward, whatever u wanna call it......thing:cool:

giving back to the community i love.:hippy:

now that i actually know a couple things.:wtf:

oh, and dont even ask the young jedi about lite leaks, we had a chat. lets just say 'this ones on him' totally, and i bet he'll never let it happen again,LOL!!!!

we had to clarify what "ZERO" light means during bedtime,
he now gets it:thumbsup:

isnt that right grasshopper?????:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Nope....it's a power thing. :D

[Rock.Steady]

Nope....it's a power thing. :D

BWAHAHAHAHA,,,,,,ok, maybe a lil;)

[cmasfca]

Well, I strategically opened the door to my cab about 6 inches during the day to let the cab cool off and stay under 80 until I get the bigger home de pot fan. I also purposefully left the door open at night just enough so that one plant was exposed.

Yup, all a big plan on my part.


Right :wtf:

I'm an idiot. It does hurt sometime :/

[smokedoja]

WH, I didnt know a flushing agent is that important....all the FAQ's ive read (especially the overgrow one) says

"dont to fix something if its not broken"

saying that flushing agents...wait a sec!!!! ya know what.....
im just goin to copy and paste the part im talkin about.....

The following statement is directly from the Overgrow FAQ

"The best way to accomplish this clearing is to feed only water for about the last week (or LESS) of flowering.
Note: These days there are several products on the "grow store" market which say they help the plants clear chemicals. Botanicare Clearex is one of these which users report great results using. My take is, if its not broke why fix it. Good old water does the trick"


Ive never used a flushing agent, so I guess Im one of those guys who doesnt fix somethin unless its broken.... the same way i am with keeping my nutes simple..... i dont fall for all that Piranha/Tarantula/Voodoo Juice garbage..... ive heard people say they get better results from the Lucas formula!!!!! LOL

[Weedhound]

Sorry doja, but I have to disagree both from personal experience and the word of those whom I trust....including my hydro store owner and folks like Zandor.....who wrote the article on flushing.

Guess I'd need to know who's idea it was that things weren't broke.....when I don't flush my plants they burn poorly and the leaves are more friable; not to mention the lovely metallic taste and the headaches. When I do flush the taste, appearance, and way the bud burns are all much better in my opinion (AND the headaches) and I've tried it both ways.

I use and recommend a flushing agent because it speeds the process up. Can you flush with plain water? Of course.....but the process will be longer imo. That's why I grow hydro......so things don't have to take forever. A good flushing agent helps me with that.

I'm also remembering other great tips from overgrow.....things like peeing on your plants and other such wonderful tidbits of infomation. My take is.....I'm growing in 2008.....and they've invented things like real fertilizer and air conditioning, vaccines, etc.
If I want to live and grow like they did 200 years ago I would find such information alot more valuable than I do. And seriously.....the author there says users reported great results using flushing agents.....but stop short of saying he's actually tried such products himself so wtf?

There are as many ways to grow this plant as there are people. This is the way that I have personally found works for me and that's why I pass said information on. ;)

[Rock.Steady]

dam hound, i gotta stop readin ur advice, i'm almost thinkin of trying that wet stuff............shit, what the hell am i sayin:wtf:




listen, u kno me well enuf by now, itll be a measuring, rube goldberg constructing, micro-managing, tech-fest,,,,,,and thatll be before my OCD kicks in:wtf:


dammit, i gotta go speed dry some more Thai and get these ideas outta my head,,,,or at least bury them in a foggy corner.......

then go fix my truck and get the supplies for ur aerocloner.:cool:

[Weedhound]

Well Rock you grow in soil.....that's about as backwards as it gets imo. :S2:

[smokedoja]

Weedhound!

K i see your point :)

i have a question.,... right now im 4 days into flushing...with just plain water.....is it too late to run out and grab some clearex (or what do you use??)

i read the directions on HTG's website and it says

Pre-Harvest Treatment (Soil or Soilless)
Discontinue fertilizer regime 2 â??3 days before harvest. Use 1 to 2 tablespoons (15 â??30 ml) of CLEAREX â?¢ per gallon of water. Water as needed.

so thats it? just add 1-2 tbsp of clearex? for 2-3 days up until harvest?

[cmasfca]

That could be it and get a mediocre or maybe even good job, or you could follow Zander's advice which was posted above and get a more thourough and flushed job with better tasting buds :)

Is the opportunity cost worth it? Using more product you have to buy, taking more of your time, you get a slight to heavy increase in the smoothness / taste of your bud.

Do you care what your bud tastes like? That is a valid question unfortunately :(

[Weedhound]

Clearex or Florakleen will help remove the extra chemicals FASTER.....i just plain love that word.....faster.....quicker.....sooner....all variations of heaven to my ears. :D

At four days in I doubt you will speed the process up really at this point. I was taught to flush by the same instructions as Zandor's post.....watching the amount of ppms daily and you'll see them rise quickly as the flushing agent does its work then you change the water daily to keep a record of what's coming out. After a few days (depending on the dose you use) you will no longer see the ppms rising and the flush has done its job. Then I switch to plain RO water for up to two week until finish.

I especially suggested it for cm because I think he's honestly just a few days away from harvest and this will indeed be a lot quicker. I don't have any quarrel with folks using plain water for a week or so to accomplish the same thing and yes, I think it will work just fine. I remember Rhizome telling me he would do water changes during flushing (plain water I believe) to keep his ppms under 300. I would have to agree that that would be alot less work than keeping track of your numbers and making changes every day......the trade off being the amount of time involved.

The other time I strongly urge using flushing agents is several times during your grow for a 24 hour period to help clean out excess fert salts built up in the system and the medium etc. That practice has made a BIG difference in my grows. ;)

[SnSstealth]

lol, you guys are a trip. i agree most definitely with weedhound. i grow in soil and still flush. no rock!!!! stay dirty!!!!!! lol

whiskeytango

[cmasfca]

Alright everyone, another update this morning :)

It is the 57th day of flower and I have been flushing with 30ml per gallon clearex flushing agent for 15 hours and the ppms have raised from 180 to...220. I thought it go higher than that, but I guess we will see in the next couple of days how the girls respond.

I am planning to harvest after this flushing, as I have lookied at the chromes and almost all are cloudy and there are a few amber. This was on the pure sativa strain, so I'm sure the hybrid is further ahead. I will check those chromes tomorrow.

I am putting a popcorn bud into my toaster oven at 250 for 25 minutes before looking at the chromes daily. I will continue this pattern for research study and conclusion in the future....:thumbsup:

Ok, call me a stoner but as I was wandering through the aisles at the local Target I spotted this...contraption...and I was immediatly sold on it. The price was marked down to $19.98 from MSRP of $84.99 because the box was damaged (there was a cut in the cardboard box).

It is called the Hamilton Beach Quick Dry. It is a set of four trays that are cooled by a built in fan. You put your clothes on it and it dries them with a "cool breeze" from this unit.

Ok, so I was really high when I bought this. I will find out if it works and I will keep you guys informed of course :jointsmile:

[MVP]

Ok, so I was really high when I bought this. I will find out if it works and I will keep you guys informed of course :jointsmile:

CM, good luck with the experiment. I would recommend a food dehydrator since they have a temperature control feature, but for 20 bucks - WTF it is worth a try...

[Weedhound]

Heck ya for 20 bucks.....I bet it'll work pretty decently for you.

[SnSstealth]

shit yeah....20 bucks....sounds good to me, my budgets almost gone...LOL

[Opie Yutts]

Clearex or Florakleen will help remove the extra chemicals FASTER

Why, why, why? Round n round she goes, how she flushes, nobody knows.

3.0% damn Glucose
1.5% darn Sucrose
95.5% friggen watercrose

(Please note that the more powerful "damn" is displayed in conjunction with the more powerful "Glucose".)

So the plants eat this instead bat poop, and we taste the sugar instead of crap, like a cavity in... uh... the mouth of somebody... who, mmm, eats a lot of sugary things. Brilliant opie, well played.

Why are we not dumping a little unrefined or brown sugar, or even some honey in with our tap or RO flushing water, instead of spending 20 or $30 on a gallon of sugar water? Damn it, I am getting tired of asking for a good recipe. You people must obey my every whim even if you don't know how to do so. Sorry. I mean, I'm tired and I need to go to bed. That doesn't stop me from wanting a recipe for a flushing agent.

Well, I guess I'll just go get some Glucose and Sucrose somewhere? Don't see why not. Anyone want to try and stop me? Please? Well maybe I should at least use up my Clearex first.

[rhizome]

Why, why, why? Round n round she goes, how she flushes, nobody knows.

3.0% damn Glucose
1.5% darn Sucrose
95.5% friggen watercrose



Opie- don't forget a little bit of surfactant, and a touch of sodium.

[Weedhound]

opie....Florakleen is a SECRET!!!! Don't be spreading stuff like that around.....:D

[Opie Yutts]

we had to clarify what "ZERO" light means during bedtime,
he now gets it:thumbsup:

Zero light, schmero light.

[Opie Yutts]

Opie- don't forget a little bit of surfactant, and a touch of sodium.

What, really? Why doesn't that have to be on the label then? Just cause it's not considered to be for human consumption? What other ingredients, if any? What quantity?

[SnSstealth]

while you guys are on the sweets subject, have any of you heard about using succanant? its a pure sugar you can get at whole foods. not necessarily for flushing, but as a treat through flowering? sorry to jump off your flushing stuff, just was wandering..have a buddy that swears by it

[Weedhound]

while you guys are on the sweets subject, have any of you heard about using succanant? its a pure sugar you can get at whole foods. not necessarily for flushing, but as a treat through flowering? sorry to jump off your flushing stuff, just was wandering..have a buddy that swears by it

Hey Stealth X-Crispi was using that for awhile but I think he stopped.

[SnSstealth]

thanks WH...i was wondering about taste enhancement since i was going all organic....

[Weedhound]

i'll ask him to pop onto your thread and give you his thoughts about it.

[SnSstealth]

thanks:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[cmasfca]

Organic doesn't make sense to me!

Whether you get the minerals from shit or Botonicare...it's still the same minerals!

WH, I saw this today at Home De Pot when I was buying pruning scissors.

Oh ya, so I flushed for three days and the ppms started at 180 and went to 220 and stayed there for two days. I have picked some buds and I am very satisfied with the taste and potency :)

I am harvesting tonight! I'm going to put the buds onto the bud dryer and let them sit in the dark until they are dry. I'm going to try and keep the temps up around 85. After that I'm going to put them in masonry jars for curing.

:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

well congrats on a damn good first grow man....:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

:yippee::yippee::yippee:
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
:jumphappy::jumphappy:

[Opie Yutts]

WH, I saw this today at Home De Pot when I was buying pruning scissors.

I am harvesting tonight! I'm going to put the buds onto the bud dryer and let them sit in the dark until they are dry.
And there was much rejoicing in the mud-filled streets as the bare-footed hill dwellers converged from miles around.

Are you going to do like me and sit there in the dark, watching them dry?

And you saw what today at HD? It's probably just me, but I couldn't exactly tell from the photo.

And nice going!

[cmasfca]

So I've harvested 2/8 plants so far.

93.9g and 106.9g is what I've got so far wet. How much % weight does wet weed lose? Is it 75%?

My girlfriend is happily trimming and pruning and manicuring away, she seems to have found the way she can help me in my grows haha :dance:

We have a lot of hash trim so far, now I'm looking for a way to make hash out of a coffee grinder and lots of ice?

I went to a party last night and shared some stories about growing mmj with a random guy I met. We shared a bowl from my bubbler and my own grow (feels awesome to smoke what you grow) then he packed a little wooden pipe with hash from his own grow.

That was a fun night haha.

[cmasfca]

Opie,

Sorry I didn't see your thread, I took too long taking pictures and stuff.

The sign says "Weedhound" in the picture, I circled it this time.

Well, back to trimming :jointsmile:

[cmasfca]

So my third plant had 96.5g in it and my fourth plant had 178.5g wet! Wow that one was in the back, maybe the back ones will be bigger? Hmm that gets me thinking about lighting and such.

I'm looking for general % weight loss between wet and dry, anyone know?

EDIT: I forgot to mention, when I first put the buds onto my scale, it said ERROR. Lol, I had to divide it in half and then add them because my scale maxes at 150g :D

I need a bigger scale

:stoned:

:smokin:

:bigsmoke:

:S5:

[cmasfca]

So I searched and found that it can range from 50%-86%.

Hmm, not too standard then, is it? lol

[hydrocannabis]

any new pix of UR girls?

[Rock.Steady]

hey CM, really happy for u dude, almost makes me wanna try that hyrdo thing, but startup costs, setup, relearning the wet way instead. uggg.

but you did great man!!!

ok, im no expert but, from what ive read all over , yeah, % loss wet to dry, but im thinkin ur 85 may be high. maybe 55-75%, prolly also depends on how much lumber on the scale.
either way, its lookin like ur around 1.5 z or better per plant, wow man, just wow, i'm real happy for u!!!!

[cmasfca]

Here is a couple pictures. The first one is my most un-trained plant. She's that way because she is in the back, so I didn't like to train her too much. Plus, she had room to grow :thumbsup: You can see that plant in front of her is the hermie. She/He has flowers literally on the stem haha

The second is a picture of my hash trim so far. I only put stems w/ trichomes and leaves with trichomes in it; I think it will make a good amount of hash :jointsmile:

So, the wet weight for my Arctic Sun in total is 735.9g from 6 plants. I am going to go help my gf prune the Atomic Haze. Prepare for disappointing news though I bet the hermie's gonna be light :(

[Opie Yutts]

makes me wanna try that hyrdo thing, but startup costs, setup, relearning the wet way instead. uggg.

Start up costs? Like what, $70 for an awesome homemade DWC and nutrients? Those? Or were you referring to the additional $25 PH pen? Yeah it can get damn expensive to double your yield.

[Weedhound]

That first chop.....:eek:

Then you look around at all your new weed.....that YOU grew....:woohoo: :yippee:

That's the joy of growing. :thumbsup:

[MVP]

Looks like the fun begins soon when you decide if you're gonna cook with any of the trim. Cannabutter is a great thing to make if you are not afraid of the kitchen. Here try some of mine I have in the freezer:
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Also, rule of thumb for me is that dry weight is almost always spot on at 25% of wet weight. So given your numbers, you should have 6.5 +/- oz of Sun. Good job amigo!

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Yep I agree with MVp.....I've found 25% of wet weight to be pretty close to the actual dry weight in my extensive studies of the subject.

I also LOVE his freezer and want to come over for a meal of.....butter. :D

[SnSstealth]

mmmm...butter...i got the pancakes!!!!! and i agree with everyone else on the weight thing, ive usually been spot on 75% water weight loss....goddamn i love harvests man...:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[cmasfca]

So I took one hit from my bong...and I am hacking away like it's the first time I've ever smoked! I don't know what it is; the taste is amazing and this shit (Arctic Sun) hits you fast and builds up. Then you get MAJOR couchlock. The smoke, coming through my bong, is as tasty and thick as it is from a blunt. Maybe because the weed was very dry. Anyways, let's just say I wasn't expecting that when I smoked and went to work 45 minutes later. Oh well, I smoked with my manager earlier this week so I'm sure he'll understand :thumbsup:

I (read: girlfriend) have made cannabutter many a time for brownies, crusts in pies, cookies, cakes etc. We usually grind up our shake but we actually have trim now! It's awesome lol. I'm still yet to find a good hash making tutorial :(

So, I felt that shit up until around 8:00 p.m. and I smoked it around 2:30! Daayum :) I like me this Arctic Sun.

So total I got 1039.7g. Hopefully I will get 9oz :) Next time I will push for 10.

My atomic haze in the back weighed 196g! Damn that's a big girl. I should have taken pictures of the roots lool, sooo thick on her.

[MVP]

I'm still yet to find a good hash making tutorial :(

Saw one on YouTube some time back. Check it out and post back if you find it. :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Nine ounces off 400 watts.....damn good work. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

9oz from 400w......very nice man, good grow indeed.. are you using bubblebags for the hash?...or you want a good homemade way, like the shower curtain method...:thumbsup: works good

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[cmasfca]

How would I do it with shower curtains? Never heard of that one before. Thanks! :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

cmasfca, you lucky dog, you. Your girlfriend sure is a cutie.

Cool find on the Weedhound brand garden equipment.

[SnSstealth]

no need to spend a few hundred bucks for bubblebags
i cant take credit for this, its from the cannabible 3. shabud from cannabis world "discovered" the technique.

Required Tools:
-55 gal drum (huge trash can)
-electric drill with paint-mixer attachment
-polyester shower curtain (stretch it apart and look at light through it) you should be able to see through it, holes and shit
-plastic trash bag
-frozen trim

1.place the trash bag in the can
2.put shower curtain in bag, leaving about half an inch space
3.pour in the trim (bout a lb or 2...heh, that rhymed)
4.rapidly mix with the drill and mixer attachment
5.NO WATER OR ICE!!!

i go about 90 sec...longer gets you more, but more of less quality.....
this stuff isnt quite as pure as water hash, but cheaper to make and the differance isnt really noticable. you will basically throw out a bunch of kief 10-15 grams per lb o decent trim. none of the terpenes wash out, so the taste will be much better than bubblehash

just an idea
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[cmasfca]

Per WeedHound's instructions, I am posting an update with a picture or two included ;) :thumbsup:

I just picked a small bud from one of the trays and the stem didn't snap completely but there was a definite breaking point and it started to come apart. Is that considered dry enough to put the bud in the jars to cure?

EDIT: I forgot to tell you! I smoked it and it got me ripped and tatsed amazing :) :S5::bigsmoke::smokebong:

[SnSstealth]

i wouls strat curing now personally.....awesome lookin harves man:thumbsup: whatdya think about the shower curtain hash?

[Opie Yutts]

Those buds look amazing. I hope my batch turns out as nice.

I wouldn't start curing yet, things may get moldy. You want just a slight bit of moisture, but I think the stems should still snap pretty nice before curing.

[Weedhound]

Yeah I like stuff to be pretty dry before curing. Once cured it will lose the harsh taste and fresh mown grass smell. That's when it TRULY done. (not that it cant be enjoyed BEFORE then....:D)

[MVP]

Wait until they snap and you will be happier in the long run. If you get impatient and charge into curing, you risk running into mold issues, as well as lengthening the curing time since there will be more OVERALL moisture in the jars... :twocents:

[SnSstealth]

and if you hapen to let them overdry, stick a piece o lettuce in the mason jar... lps when you buy brittle herb too......im sure you guys know all this, just my pennies.......
:jointsmile:

[Opie Yutts]

Yeah, lettuce or celery or something similar. For extra flavor experiment with adding a lime slice or any other wet fruity thing.

[TheHourLateGang]

I got the opportunity to test out CM's crop and it is honestly some of the best bud that I have ever had the pleasure of tokin.

-Daniel

[Weedhound]

Hey that's cool to hear. Thanks for stopping by and saying so. :) :thumbsup:

[cmasfca]

Hey thanks for posting Daniel, it was awesome splittin that b-legit with you guys :D

WH, check your email :O

[cmasfca]

So the end result was around 8 ounces. It might be more or less because I didn't weigh anything that I have smoked so far.

I have found a total of two seeds so far in my grow. I think there aren't many because I fucked up right at the end; like tripping across the finish line, you still win but you look like a dumbass.

[Hennessy1414]

So the end result was around 8 ounces. It might be more or less because I didn't weigh anything that I have smoked so far.

I have found a total of two seeds so far in my grow. I think there aren't many because I fucked up right at the end; like tripping across the finish line, you still win but you look like a dumbass.

dont be so hard on ur self.....that just gives u a window to gro more :rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

I agree with Hennesey.....you did a GREAT grow! Wanna see a dumbass? How many grows do I have under my belt and MY last grow hermied......talk about someone who should have known better.

Can't wait for your next log/grow cm.

PARTY AT CMS!!!! :D

[Opie Yutts]

Wanna see a dumbass?

You. A dumbass. At weed farming.

Now that's damn funny.

[psteve]

and if you hapen to let them overdry, stick a piece o lettuce in the mason jar... lps when you buy brittle herb too......im sure you guys know all this, just my pennies.......
:jointsmile:
Yeah, lettuce or celery or something similar. For extra flavor experiment with adding a lime slice or any other wet fruity thing.The best thing to use is a fresh green fan leaf from your veg room. It will not change the flavor of your weed.
Don't leave anything moist in there for too long or you'll get mold.

[Weedhound]

You. A dumbass. At weed farming.

Now that's damn funny.

Aw Opie, you're such a sweetie. I tried to rep you for that but I must have already recently. :)

[stinkyattic]

That came out well and I have a suggestion on the drying rack, which is UBER cool btw...
If the bottom rack doesn't have a built-in solid kief catcher, take a storm window (I know everyone has one in the cellar somewhere lol, or borrow one, or scrounge one) and lay it under the drying rack to catch kief that falls through. If you are lucky, you can even find one that will slide into the system as a bottom-most rack! Then when enough kief builds up from turning and moving the buds, you can recover it with a razor blade.

[Rock.Steady]

CM< definately not a fuckup, dude, look what you did and look around at so many attempts with dismal results, u kiddin?!
hats off, "im not worthy"!:D

WH, dummass, nah, hard time convincin the crowd, plus,,,,hermied,,,what? SNLx what!!??? and now you have,,,what???!!!:D
thats a gift from Jah!:rastasmoke:

as to moisture or scent, be real careful addin fruit ot veg slices, mold risk as noted.

dont try to scent it, just keep it nice.
la naturale`