What r these dots??

[cwesto]

On one of my 2 girls the bottom and some of the middle fan lleaves have been looking not too nice lately. It seems that there are small tiny dark spots when u put the leaves up to a light, leading me to believe that the blemishes are inside the leaves rather than outside because u cannot see the blemeses when not held up tp the lights. Also the leaves that these symptoms are showing on also seem to be sort of lifeless looking, sides curling under and leaves drooping, dont have any perk to them.

I transplanted my 2 girls from 2 gal pots to 5 gal pots about 3 days ago, into a wet mixture of ocean forest and perlite. I pre wet the water because i just watered the day befor and didnt want to overwater so i just wet the new soil. Also under a 400w HPS, i am using about 3 tsp. tigerbloom to 1 gal rested tap water and add 1/2 tsp beastiebloomz every other watering. I usually watered about once every 2-3 day while i was in the 2 gal pots.
Those are all of the details i can think of....

Does anyone know what may be the cause of this problem???? could it be a deficiency?? watering schedule prob. problem?? Ph??
I have never seen this in my limited experience, if neone could help id appreciate.

[Storm Crow]

A picture, close up and clear, would really help!- Granny:hippy:

[Ophistello]

what ph you using? get a magnifying glass and take a close look at the back of the leaves, you may have thrips.

[Weedhound]

Cwesto are you checking your ph? If not....why are you asking if it's a ph problem.....you KNOW everyone is just going to tell you to go check it. So go DO that.....

And Granny's right.....a photo would be TERRIFIC!!!

[cwesto]

Yea i kno, sorry bout the pic, my cam is broken. I have been putting in Ph 6 water for the whole gro..

[Weedhound]

Ok...that sounds very good.....now what is the ph of runoff when it comes out of the bottom of your pot?

[stinkyattic]

6 is too low for your medium. You need to bring it up into the correct range of 6.5-6.8. Your soil may be too low now as a result of being watered with overly acidic water and you'll need to check runoff and adjust accordingly.

[Weedhound]

Or you could listen to Stinky and do things the right way.....:D She knows MUCH more about soil growing than I do. ;)

[cwesto]

yea thnxs for all ur help guys. My plant has deteriorated very badly the last day. It went so quickly from yellow in the begining of the day to brown and crispy at the end of the day. I tried to flush but i think it was to late. Maybee my next gro will work. Im gonna try to find a mentor for the next grow as my non-stop reading and limited experience are obviously far from enough knowledge to gro a smokmable plant

[Bongojaz]

brown and crispy sounds like nute burn. it can start with the spotting too.

[cwesto]

ok well i was using about 2 tsp tigerbloom and 1 tsp growbig to 1 gal. of water.. I also added 1/4 tsp open sesame every other watering. I didnt think that was overdueing the nutes at all, but i guess i was wrong.

Also today my other and last plant seems to be bending over now. All the main LST'd branches are all bending over in the same direction.. anybody have any ideas what is wrong with this one?

I am only 2 weeks thru bloom, could i get away with triming off the crispy fan leaves on the one plant?? The only reason is they are large fan leaves so im thinking that the plant will try to focus alot of energy on fix those leaves..

[cwesto]

Got a friends camera.. here are a few of the fan leaves. Sorry i couldnt get a good pic of the whole plant, but its kind of hard in my cab. The problem fan leaves are concentrated most heaily at the bottom and thin out as the plant gets taller. The said fan leaves go up about 60% of the plants entire height. Hope these pics help

[Bongojaz]

too much food. flush em.

[cwesto]

yea i ran 2 gallons of straight water thru thier 5 gallon pots then fed them with 1 tsp/ gal tigerbloom, that was yesterday.

[stinkyattic]

Tigerbloom and GrowBig together? One's a bloom fert and the other's a grow fert. Plus the Open Sesame on top of that.
What does the instruction on the back of the bottles say to use for amount, type, and frequency of feeding? Use that...

[Bongojaz]

yea i ran 2 gallons of straight water thru thier 5 gallon pots then fed them with 1 tsp/ gal tigerbloom, that was yesterday.
a proper flush is 3x the pot size. they're still full of nutes plus you said you added more?? flush with plain ph'd water.

[cwesto]

Tigerbloom and GrowBig together? One's a bloom fert and the other's a grow fert. Plus the Open Sesame on top of that.
What does the instruction on the back of the bottles say to use for amount, type, and frequency of feeding? Use that...

the charts says "week 7 - 2 tsp growbig + 2 tsp tigerbloom + 1/4 tsp beastiebloomz / gallon water" for normal feeding.

Also says use the granual fert (openseame, beastbloomz, cha ching) once every other feeding, which i have been folowing.

That is what i used w/ rested tap water.

a proper flush is 3x the pot size. they're still full of nutes plus you said you added more?? flush with plain ph'd water.

My grow shop guy told me to only flush with 2 gallons. His shop is the longest running shop of the type in MI, so i trust what he said. He introduced me to mycrozzia fungi, very smart fellow.



I think my room just has a curse......

It will let me veg a plant.. which i am sweet at, i get em nice and bushy.... but then when i try to flower the demon provokes his curse on my room and my plants turn to death :(

[stinkyattic]

When you flushed, what was the reading on the runoff pH?
And pre-wetting the new soil isn't really a great idea. The roots aren't in there yet to use the moisture, and it jsut SITS there and stagnantes and creates conditions (aqueous) for any chemicals present to interact in pretty unpredictable ways.
Pot drainage- where are the holes in your buckets? 5 gallon pails have a lip around the bottom edge that prevents draining if all the holes are in the bottom. You say you can veg fine but not flower; I assume you use large pots only for flower? Drill holes in the SIDES too, big ones, like 1/2" or more. You GOTTA get oxygen to the root zone.

[Weedhound]

Who ARE all these people telling folks stuff? He's got the longest running shop eh? Did he tell you to watch your ph? Is he aware of how your plants look and what kind of food you are pouring on them? How about the drainage situation....he up on that info? If not.....he's either not that sharp and only has part of your story so why are you taking his advice? Why is it that people only hear that part of the story they want to hear?

[cwesto]

When you flushed, what was the reading on the runoff pH?
And pre-wetting the new soil isn't really a great idea. The roots aren't in there yet to use the moisture, and it jsut SITS there and stagnantes and creates conditions (aqueous) for any chemicals present to interact in pretty unpredictable ways.
Pot drainage- where are the holes in your buckets? 5 gallon pails have a lip around the bottom edge that prevents draining if all the holes are in the bottom. You say you can veg fine but not flower; I assume you use large pots only for flower? Drill holes in the SIDES too, big ones, like 1/2" or more. You GOTTA get oxygen to the root zone.

Ph was about 6.3.

Makes sense about NOT pre-wetting the soil. Ill ttake that into mind next time i transplant, this was my first time..

I cut big suare holes in the bottom, 13 on each bucket, 6 around the very outer edge and 6 more toward the middle of the bottom and one in the middle. None on the side tho...

[Bongojaz]

I transplanted my 2 girls from 2 gal pots to 5 gal pots about 3 days ago, into a wet mixture of ocean forest and perlite.prewatering the medium is the only way i transplant, and it works great! if you transplant into dry medium, when you do water it, it collapses in on itself and you end up with dry pockets in the mix, and have to add more medium. it has to be watered anyway so what better time?

[stinkyattic]

Watering-in is an important part of transplanting; the soil does compact and adding more to fill around the edges is part of the process.

So you're going to have to get your pH up slightly.

The holes in your buckets, do any of them manage to break the seal formed by the ring the bucket sits on? Lifting the whole thing up on a couple bits of scrap wood so that there is air flow under there is a very good idea.

[cwesto]

no they do not break the outside ring, they butt right on the line. Then there is another circle of 6 ring further in towards the middle. Then one hole directly in the middle.

[cwesto]

Those leafs are dead as fuck now. I mean i still dont kno what has caused this im thinking it was a bad Ph.

[Bongojaz]

dude, it's fert burn, you need to flush them. you can cut off the dead crispy leaves. once they go, they don't come back. 3x the container size.

[cwesto]

Aright sounds like another flush, hopefully i get it right this time... So Bongo ur sayin i need to put 15 gallons of water thru my bucket? I mean i kno that u r and ur right, it just seems logisticaly, like alot of liquid to go thru "said" are u kno..

Also i noticed today, that on the top half of the screwy plant that some of the hairs have shriveled up tips on them... Any ideas on that one??

[Bongojaz]

Aright sounds like another flush, hopefully i get it right this time... So Bongo ur sayin i need to put 15 gallons of water thru my bucket? I mean i kno that u r and ur right, it just seems logisticaly, like alot of liquid to go thru "said" are u kno..
Also i noticed today, that on the top half of the screwy plant that some of the hairs have shriveled up tips on them... Any ideas on that one??
i'm not saying it, it's just something i've read a gazillion times. it's probably a math type thing with ratios etc. have a fan blowing over the top of the medium too. the shriveled top growth is the result of the burn. it's always better to have your plants a little hungry, than to overfeed them.