NEED HELP DIAGNOSING PROBLEM!!! PICS

[chongman420]

So i have this reoccurring problem with the last couple grow attempts. I use Earth Juice Grow, Calmag, and Superthrive for veg with 2 tsps of high nitrogen bat guano. I use FFOF soil and I use RO water. I dont have a ph meter but I water them with plain water every other time. Temps are between 69-76. Any advice? :(

[chongman420]

More pics

[chongman420]

One more...sorry

[PharmaCan]

You need to know your pH! This is a plain and simple fact, and arguments/excuses aren't going to change that. If you can't afford a pH meter, get a liquid test kit or litmus paper.

I'm going to have this thread moved over to "Plant Problems". You'll probably get more and better answers to your questions there.

PC :smokin:

[DreamerGirl7]

You definitely have nuts problem ! How long are your plants in veg?

Maybe you have overfeed them .

Little advice : learn on mistakes that others do ! Knowing your ph is very, very important . For your plants sake , remember that ;)

You said that you don't have ph meter ! Use litmus paper or ph detection fluid . Its not so accurate like meter but will do ok.
Because of lot ferts that u use , i think knowing ph should be on your priority list ( on 1. place ;) ) .

[stinkyattic]

Pot too small.
Soil too dense.
Soil too wet.
High possibility of fert buildup/toxicity.

Flush well with tap water at pH 6.7.
REpot into a gallon sized pot using more perlite in the new soil mix than the previous one. Keep temps between 65 and 80 degrees. Allow soil to get rather dry between waterings.

[Doctor Whoov]

looks rootbound to me. I ran out of soil between paychecks on my current grow and this happened to one of mine. Didn't get this bad though. It doing great now. First one to show sex as a matter of fact. It's a girl!!!!! (Handing out cigar)

[chongman420]

Yea I was thinking pot bound too. I actually just transplanted into these pots about a week ago. Soil may look "too wet" because I just watered them

[Weedhound]

Stinky's right....fert and/or ph.

[chongman420]

Should I trash em and start over or are they salvageable? :(

[stinkyattic]

Flush the crap out of those pots with tap water at pH 6.7. Then let them dry out a bit and re-pot them into nice roomy pots.
They are salvageable.

[chongman420]

Thank you for all your wisdom Ms. Stinky! What ph tester should i buy? I heard that the Hannas are junk. Do most ph meters test water and soil or just one or the other? Thanks for the advice :)

[chongman420]

Should i get just a ph meter or one that does ppm or ec also?

[chongman420]

After I transplanted those they are looking better starting at the top and working its way down. Thanks a mil stinky! :thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

Don't bother with an EC meter. Those are for hydro growers and nerds.
GH liquid pH indicator is SUPER cheap and is adequate for a small soil grower. Less than $10 a bottle.
I'm glad they are feeling better! :D

[chongman420]

Im willing to spend a couple bucks on a meter its just that the closest hydroponic store to me is 2 hours away. I buy my stuff from altgarden.com

[GreenToe]

[quote=stinkyattic]Don't bother with an EC meter. Those are for hydro growers and nerds.


Better a Nerd then a Pig rolling around in DIRT.....:D

[dr4bud]

What is the temp in the grow room It looks like there could be more than one problem.

[chongman420]

Temps about 75-77 now i got a heater in the room. It was in the upper 60s-lower 70s before

[chongman420]

Wait I thought this thread was for fixing MY plant? :wtf:

[stinkyattic]

Indeed it is Chongman, and I'm splitting off the thread-jack for ya.

[chongman420]

Sweet! Thanks! :jointsmile:

[dr4bud]

It looks like a chemical burn to me, except for the curling which looked like heat? Be careful not to put he heater near the plant, it will dry it out. Did you feed them recently?

[stinkyattic]

So i have this reoccurring problem with the last couple grow attempts. I use Earth Juice Grow, Calmag, and Superthrive for veg with 2 tsps of high nitrogen bat guano. I use FFOF soil and I use RO water. I dont have a ph meter but I water them with plain water every other time. Temps are between 69-76. Any advice?
Well back to this original post.
I've heard less than positive things about Earth Juice.
Since you say this is a recurring problem, I'd do a major overhaul in your feeding routine.
I see you are headed in the organic direction. I'd strip down to a SINGLE veg fert, and I'd go with Pure Blend Pro Grow soil formula. If you don't care about organic, Botanicare Power Plant is REALLY easy to deal with. The way I see it, your first grow(s) should be really streamlined, no additives, a simple cannabis-specific one-part fertilizer, and soil that is lighter than you might be using down the line. You will be able to add to the routine later once you know that you can grow a healthy plant with the basics.
Lose the guano for now.
How much superthrive do you use? I'd lose that as well too, and save it for transplanting only, to be used at the rate of one drop per gallon for the FIRST feeding after transplant.
Lose the RO water as well, and switch to tap. You won't have to use CalMag.
When you transplant, use more perlite in the mix to be sure that the soil can dry out well between waterings.

[chongman420]

Yea after looking at the Earth Juice bottles I have (Grow, Bloom, Catalyst, Microblast) I notice that they lack a few nutes such as sulfur, calcium, chlorine, copper, selenium, and silicon. I dont know if this is part of my problem. I use 1/2 tsp of superthrive but I dont give that to them every time I feed them. I only use RO water because my tap water leaves the crusty white ring around the top of the soil level. I was debating between Fox Farm and Botanicare nutes for next grow. I read the labels on their websites and it seems like FF has more nutes but Im no expert. O yea the heater is about 8ft away from my veg cab. You guys rule!!!!!!!!! :jointsmile:

[Bongojaz]

rootbound doesn't make your plant look like that. you can grow in most any sized container and do well. all that is affected is the size of the plant and yield. if all nutritional needs are met, then you're good. a good meter for checking ppm is a good idea but not absolutely necessary. you could probably benefit from one, until you get more familiar with your nutes anyway. you can't really go by what's on the bottle. companies make money by selling you their products. i.e. the quicker you use what you have and buy more, the better! a ph meter of some kind is key. a good stand alone fert. is the way to go for beginners. pure blend is a very good all around fert. i think the pro version is for hydro. i use it early on in veg. and i grow in coco. if you're gonna use tap water, let it sit for 24 hours first, to let the chlorine dissipate. earth juice is pretty acidic so i'd let that sit for a good day too to reduce acidity. in soil, feed once a week. in between plain ph'd water. 6.5 ph, is a good place to be.

[stinkyattic]

I use 1/2 tsp of superthrive but I dont give that to them every time I feed them.
Houston, we have a problem. Dosage for SuperThrive is 1 drop per gallon. I checked using a liquid of similar viscosity to ST and found that 40 drops made up to 1mL. There are almost 5mL in one teaspoon, so you are using TWO HUNDRED TIMES the recommended dosage. Hence the extremely soft-looking, dull, intensely-green leaves with burnt tips. Nitrogen toxicity.

FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH and lay off the Superthrive!

[chongman420]

Ok so no more Superthrive.

[Bongojaz]

you're welcome.

[stinkyattic]

lol... If you come on here expecting to be thanked for every bit of advice, you're going to be sorely disappointed...

[Bongojaz]

lol... If you come on here expecting to be thanked for every bit of advice, you're going to be sorely disappointed...
LOL, back at ya!

[chongman420]

My superthrive bottle says drop a gallon on the front but on the back it says 1/4 tsp for container plants (I dont know why I gave them 1/2 tsp:stoned:) And Ive been flushing the crap outta them too they're still yellowing on the lower fan leaves but the smaller new growth between branches is green and stems are still reddish/purple. Im gonna snap a couple pics and post them to show any progress

[chongman420]

O yea thanks Bongo :jointsmile:

[chongman420]

Heres my veg cab, pic of my nute line-up, and one of my flowering cab :)

[chongman420]

plant pics :mad:

[chongman420]

what u think?

[stinkyattic]

That last pic is CLASSIC nitrogen toxicity. Look at the dull leaf surfaces and very deep rich intense green color.

The low yellowing and the splotches on it look to me like a combination of a couple things- less light penetrating the canopy (main problem with flourescent grows) plus you seem to have a calcium lockout that's getting fairly bad.

You've gotta get that soil to dry out better between waterings and keep up with your calmag. I would feed with just plain tap water and calmag for now, and give a light foliar (concentrating on lower growth) with your micronutrient at a concentration weaker than the bottle recommends. Try to let it dry out pretty well before shutting the door.

Neat cabinet btw!

Oh. Stretch. Next time, stick the pots up on something to get them closer to the lights while they are still young so that you can keep them short and fat. I see your nodes are close together though, and the apparent 'stretch' may simply be an illusion caused by the number of lower nodes that have already dropped their leaves.

[chongman420]

Ive been waiting till the leaves start to droop to water them. If you look at the pic of inside my veg cab, the plant right in the middle needs watered its leaves are all down to its side

[chongman420]

*UPDATE* Ok Stinky... So I went "shopping" a couple days ago and I picked up Fox Farm Grow Big, Tiger Bloom, a bottle of PH up, 2 10x10 sheets of black/white plastic for inside cabinet, new pots for veg and flowering, some more Plant Success, a bottle of Clearex, and last but not least... a PH meter! I got it off ebay $27 with tax and shipping. Hopefully now I can start fixing my problems :)

[chongman420]

My new veg pots are 6x6 6 1/2 tall the flowering pots are 9.5x9.5 they are 12 liter pots

[stinkyattic]

Sounds like you are on your way.
Have you tried out the meter yet?

[chongman420]

Im about to right now. You say to aim for the 6.5-6.8 range? When not using the meter do I keep it in water to preserve the probe?

[chongman420]

Ok so that didnt go so well. I cant seem to get this damn thing to calibrate. The numbers keep bouncing around and theres only a decimal point for a second then it disappears. WTF?

[chongman420]

I wanna throw this thing against the wall!!! Im so mad :mad:

[chongman420]

Im so dumb I didnt take the cover off the probe. It works fine now. I got it calibrated and my tap water measures 7.5, the RO water from walmart I was using measured 8.3! And the water ran through the PUR filter on my faucet is at 7.3

[chongman420]

Correction- the RO water from walmart is 7.0 and tap at 7.3. I mixed some Grow Big and CalMag in a gallon of tap water and remeasured it and its at 6.8. I used the RO water to test my runoff and it was at 6.9. So maybe the PH was ok before Im not sure though. I wonder if it is just a calcium def and/or rootbound

[chongman420]

Maybe sulfur Grow Big doesnt have sulfur in it neither does Earth Juice I wonder why?

[chongman420]

So after feeding them 1 tsp. of Grow Big and 1.5 tsps. of Cal-Mag with tap water PH'd at 6.8 my plants look alot better and starting to smell better too :)

[cigarettes42]

my leaves drooped like that and turned yellow. how i fixed it was flushed and did a final flush with a higher ph because when i tested the run off it was too acidic so i kept flushing to get the soils ph back up. i was wondering what was lowering my ph in my soil and i read foxfarms nute label and they lower the ph to keep freshness of the nutes. so now i check my ph after i add nutes in my water.

[chongman420]

My tap water is already alkaline (7.3) so adding the Fox Farm nutes brings it down to an acceptable range (6.8) works out kinda nice :thumbsup:

[chongman420]

And I sent off for "quality genetics" so now that I'm getting stuff dialed in I'll have something better to work with