New to CFL growing

[HateHeaven]

I recently found out about compact fluorescent growing. I had a few questions if anyone could help me out :rastasmoke:

At the moment I have two 42watts with 2700 lumens each in homemade growbox, and was wondering when it would be necessary to get a few more. The box is around 3 feet tall and about 1 x 1.7 feet.

Also my plants are about 4 days old and I wanted some opinions on how they look.

[Atkeni]

Looking very sexy :)

i think the conventional wisdom is 2500 lumens sq/ft minimum for a full plant, so you'll probably be fine for the next couple of weeks with what you have- once they hit 6-8 inches tall, you'll want to switch for sure.

[HateHeaven]

The strain is Super Silver Haze. How many more lights do you think I should add when they are bigger? Think I could get away with 4 more, so I would end up with six 42watt CFL's

[Balkey]

As far as I know, higher Kelvins is better for Veg, Lower Kelvins better for flower. Different light spectrum's. Either way, your plants will grow, just not to the potential especially using CFLs.

I could be wrong about the Kelvins, so don't quote me on it, but I believe I am right. But lumens isn't the only important thing when using CFL's. I have a CFL grow going right now and they seem to like my higher kelvin rating (6500k). Your cfls should be 2 or so inches away from your plant, literally.

Pictures of your grow box would help as well to determine how effective your 2 42watters are. As well as pictures, one would probably say your plants are far too deep in the cups too. Although your probably going to transplant sometime to larger pots, I hope, you should let the soil sit for a day or 2 to let it settle down, or water it thoroughly to allow the soil to settle down. Before you add the seeds or plants, once it is settled, add more soil so the top of the soil is much closer to the top of the rim of the container.

[HateHeaven]

The soil seemed to go down a bit. It was fairly close to the rim, but I suppose it could have been loose when i planted the seed.

Here is a picture of the space I am working with at the moment. I am in the process of making a better looking box for the flowering.

[Balkey]

Well, the one CFL is correct (on its side) but the other one hanging is wrong, well, not as efficient. CFL's emit most of its light from the side so the one hanging isn't as efficient then the one on its side. Looks like your playing checkers with these babies!!! haha.

BUT, either those are a higher kelvin rating bulbs or an all spectrum bulb, which is what you want for Veg, although I could be wrong, do some research on it, I have found conflicting results on which Kelvin rating is better but for the most part it looks like you have it right.

Whats your kelvin rating? I would guess in the 4-6500k range.

[HateHeaven]

Alright, well I will try and figure out a way to make the one that is hanging sit like the other one. Hahaha, the checker board was to insure that the bottom was flat. The box I was working with wasn't very flat. But as for Kelvin rating, I looked online and couldn't find a thing. The boxes they came in only had watts and lumen output. I couldn't find a single thing on if it was 6500k or 2700k. I know the bulbs have 2700 lumens, that has nothing to do with 2700k, right?

[Balkey]

If your hanging the one bulb by its cord because you are running out of room, you can go to lowes or HD, they sell stand alone light bulb sockets. And might allow you to mount that second bulb on its side like the other one. ALSO, as the plants grow, will you be able to adjust the lights heights?

[HateHeaven]

I can raise both very easily. I was thinking within the next couple weeks to look for an adapter that allows you to plug in two CFL's into one socket.

[Balkey]

yeah lumens and Kelvins are different things. Lumens from my knowledge is the amount of light output for the bulb and Kelvins is the light spectrum or color of light.

[Balkey]

Yeah, Lowes or HD or any hardware store or lighting store would have Y adapters for sockets.

[HateHeaven]

I think this is pretty much what they are
TCP Light Bulb 28942 - 28942 27K 42W 10M SPRINGLAMP - 42 watt 120 volt Medium Base 2,700K SpringLamp Compact Fluorescent TCP Light Bulb at ServiceLighting.com (http://www.servicelighting.com/catalog_product.cfm?prod=TC28942)
which on there it says they are 2700k

[Balkey]

Well, CFL's are CFL's, light is light, no matter what Kelvin rating you have they will grow weed, but one doe sit better than the other. From my knowledge, until someone steers me another way, the lower Kelvin rating such as 2700K is for flowering. The higher kelvin rating such as 6500k is for Veg.

This is my setup, all homemade. 10 cfls. 27watters. I have since been using the Daylight bulbs 6500K for Veg and my week old babies seem to enjoy it.

[HateHeaven]

Nice setup :jointsmile:
how many plants do you have on Veg right now?

[Balkey]

5 plants. When I get the right pots, Should be able to fit 8 8inch pots in there. Most likely not enough light for 8 plants, but am growing lowryder2 and I might modify it to get some cfls on the side of the tub. Most likely upgrade the 27watter to 42watters like you, but will have heat problems then, which will require more modification. GRRRR

[HateHeaven]

:D
how many weeks are you in so far? If you can post some pictures of your plants, I'm curious.

[Balkey]

AND you def. could add a couple more cfls to your room. More light usually doesn't hurt, just make sure they aren't too close to the plants. I keep mine 2 or so inches away from the top of the plants.

[HateHeaven]

Yeah, I should be getting a few of those Y socket adapters and was thinking four 42watt CFL's.
Do you think that would be good for 2-3 plants?

[Balkey]

Aight, heres the 5 plants, pic1 is everything thats under my tub.

pic 2 is the 7day old baby. A little blurry but the best I can do with this shit camera.

[Balkey]

Like I said more light is better, but maybe you could have maybe 4 42watters on top and a couple 27watter on the side or something.

I made the mistake just like you did for not putting enough soil in, but you live and you learn, I know what to do now.

[HateHeaven]

Yeah, I'm using a cellphone camera at the moment, so mine isn't much better. But it doesn't look like your plants are much farther ahead of mine. Do you have a grow journal so I can stay updated :D

Yeah, ill be getting a few more CFL's very very soon. I'll update on here when possible.

[Balkey]

No, I haven't created a log yet. I wanted to get about a month in and be certain I will succeed in growing first before I showed the women off. Some of mine were planted at different times like the ones in the cup, they are only about 4 days old or so. The one in the middle is 7 days, and one on the right is 7 days (had a problem getting a thin layer of seed coat off its cotyledons. So, except for the middle one, the majority of mine had trouble with its seeds.....stunting its growth a tad bit.

I've made sure to keep the lights as close as possible to avoid stretching.

[HateHeaven]

Well I wish the best of luck to you and to see yours flower into beautiful buds :thumbsup:

[Balkey]

I'll keep ya updated if something happens, so you can possibly avoid the same problem if I have any. By the way, I'm using Fox Farms Ocean forest 60-70% and 30-40% perlite. Just a FYI, watering with 6.3-7.0ph water, and NO nuts. I want to learn how to grow without nuts first. Soil contains some bat guano and shit like that so I should be all right. Adios amigos.

[HateHeaven]

I'm using the same soil, I got it from a friend.
well I'm off to sleep. Take care, and I will see you around :rasta:

[Roughrider]

Four of the 40 watt CFLs is probably going to be decent for two plants. It depends on how big your plants are when you go into flower. If you flower at 3-4 weeks with an 8" plant, you plant won't take up much space...probably less than 1 sq. ft. and plant that's 2 feet tall If you flower at 5 weeks with a 11-13" plant, you'll probably end up with a plant that takes up about 1.25 sq. ft. If you flower for six weeks or more, you could end up with a huge plant.

It's a big deal because what light is about is how much is striking the area you are growing in. More room = More lights. When you're in seedling and early veg., the plants are small and don't take up much space. I veg two plants under a 10" reflector with 2 26w 6500k bulbs. That's good for the first couple of weeks. (Yes, the 6500k is bettyer if veg; "warm white"--around 2700-3000k--is better for flowering.)

But you really should have 4500-5000 lumens per sq. ft. to get a decent result. So if you've got 2 plants that will take up about 2.3 to 2.5 sq ft. (which is flowering when they get to around 12" which is what I do), you'll need 10,000 to 12,000 lumens. A 40 watt CFL puts out about 2600 lumens, so you're in the ballpark with four of them for two plants. Do everything you can to maximize your light, too--mylar or flat white walls.

[melodious fellow]

flowering when they get to around 12" which is what I do), you'll need 10,000 to 12,000 lumens. A 40 watt CFL puts out about 2600 lumens, so you're in the ballpark with four of them for two plants. Do everything you can to maximize your light, too--mylar or flat white walls.

Hey guys! Great reading your grow so far, I am embarking on my first real indoor grow right now.

Is 10,000 lumens of CLF's really enough to flower 2 plants? That is great news for me, as I am attempting to revive and flower only 1 plant, but have 9,000 lumens of CLF. I am using a large bucket with a 10 in diameter pot inside the bucket, with a car's dashboard reflector surrounding it for reflective purposes. I don't really have a top to the bucket, but multiple light fixtures with reflectors cover the top fairly well as they are also supplying light downward.

Definitely plan on following this as it looks like your methods are similar to mine, and you guys arn't talking way over my head, like some of the more advanced grows here.

My grow is http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/143519-closet-set-up-possible-without-box-please-evaluate.html#post1758574

If the link does not work, it is under indoor growing, entitled "closet set-up possible without box?" But I do have a box/bucket now :)[/I][/I]

thnx, looking forward to reading more, and peace

[kdspecial]

Either way, your plants will grow, just not to the potential especially using CFLs.

Not that I wanna slam on you, but I don't agree with you.

Have you ever seen my yeilds with CFLs? There pretty dang decent. And I believe I'm pretty close to the max potiential ot the particular strain.

I still believe Light is a big part of reaching MAX Potientia, l but Ventilation, Nutrients and proper care are what really makes a plant meet its potiential.

I hate to see a CFL basher.. Or a CFL hater.... (not tyhat you are) It just gets people discourged. I used to be discourged when I would look at HID's vs. CFL but now after I have really mastered my Tecniques, (feeding, ventaliation, Love, Bugs, Scheduals etc) I have pulled better yeilds than my firneds growing the same strains with HIDS.

just had to make sure the CFLer's don't get discouraged.

kd

[Roughrider]

There are two problems with CFLs, one of which can be dealt with and the other which is kind of built in (but has a good side as well). One problem is that CFLs don't give you as much canopy penetration. When you've got a lot of light emanating from one small source (like a HID light), you get better penetration. You can get around this by having a couple of lights below the canopy. One idea I'm going to try in a few months is to have a pair of 2 foot, 2 bulb T5 ballasts running down from the top of my cabinet. You can get them for $20 as Home Depot, and two bulbs on each side will put out 4,000 lumens per side. Enough of that will go underneath to make up for what you lose in penetration with CFLs.

The other problem is that CFLs aren't as efficient as HID (HPS or MH) lights. A 250 watt HPS puts our around 25,000 lumens...100 lumens per watt. CFLs, at their best, are more like 65 to 70 lumens per watt. So if you have 10 of the 26 watt, 1750 lumen CFLs, you're pulling 260 watts...but only producing 17,500 lumens. To get as much light as an HPS or MH, you need more bulbs. There's no getting around that.

But, because CFLs generate light over a larger area--which is why they don't penetrate as well--they also are easier to cool (they have more bulb area for heat dissipation). So cooling is less of a hassle with CFLs...although if you've got a bunch of them, they still generate some heat.

I think other adivce here is right; the smart thing to do is maximize your light and grow variables. Use reflectors on your light...don't let anything get lost. Make sure you've got good reflective surfaces in your grow area. Good ventilation. Flush every few weeks. Don't over or underwater. It sounds simple, it is simple...but you want to make it easy on yourself as possible. And, yes, you can take two (small) plants through flower with 10,000 lumens. For a reasonable sized plant, I'd go 2,000-3,000 more, though. 13,000 lumens is going to be more or less 200 watts of CFLs. That's enough to do quite well. Check out some of the Rubbermaid grows and see how they did.

Melodious Fellow...you may be dealing with heat, although I have to say that I keep my CFLs 3" or less from my plans and don't get much if any heat issues. Your plants may just have been too stretched...if you were in an area where there was a short day period, the plant will have stretched for every bit of light it could get. It's hard going with a plant like you describe, since the stems are often too thin to support buds, and they are really spread out so you don't get much yield. There may be others that know something different, and it's hard to tell without photos, but that's my guess.

[kdspecial]

Good points in the post above...

Low heat is a great assest when your dealing with a BOX/Cabinet type space.

This grow that I have going currently One of my plants is right touching the lights. I don't wanna tie it or cut it so I just said fuk it lets see what happens. So far beside the odd Burnt tip The Bud production is much like the rest of the crop. Im really surprised so far.

However this is with a T5 bulb which isn't exactly a CFL but sitll similar I believe.

3 inches away from the light is a good rule to follow. And I find I actully do get better results when My plants are a alittle further away from the bulbs (even though supposedly the closer to the CFL the better or more lummes) but in my tight space somtimes I can't do that like this grow. So as of right now my plants sit about 1/2 Inch away from the bulbs and one touches.

kd

[Balkey]

Not sure how I'm bashing CFLs, as if you saw my posts, you'd see my set up. I am USING 10 cfls. For a small grow box the most practical thing is CFLs, so I recommend it.

Also, if you didn't fragment my paragraph into one sentence, I was referring to the kelvin rating, not CFLs in general. Don't know if your high or what but please read more carefully before you respond with a rant. The "especially with CFL's" part was in my head a comparison between MH and HPS (more commonly used lightings for veg and flower), and how those 2 Kelvin ratings are drastically different in most cases.

[HateHeaven]

kdspecial, By any chance could you post some pictures of your grow, or do you happen to have a grow journal?

[Opie Yutts]

Any light will grow weed, but how much do you want for your efforts? Most all the CFL lights you will find in stores are 2700K. These are reddish, and the second best wavelength for budding, and about half the price of bluish bulbs for vegging.

Ultimately you want a mix ratio of about 85/15% in both veg and bud, but that's just tweaking it a little and not necessary.

Vegging (blue):
first choice: 5700K
second choice: 6100K

Budding (red/orange):
first choice: 2500K
second choice: 2800K

These numbers give your plants a chance at peak chlorophyll activity. Until someone shows me a better way, this is how I will determine what K of light to buy. Also notice from the graph that numbers in between the first and second choices drastically cut down on chlorophyll activity.

I would not look for the bluish bulbs in your stores, unless you happen to have a light bulb store or a hydro shop close by. The best way to find the proper numbers for both veg and bud bulbs is by searching the internet. You can get some really powerful ones this way too, much bigger than in the stores.

Look on the manufacturers web site for their spec sheet and compare it to the model on the bulb, or call them. If it doesn't say anything on the package about daylight, or cool, or K, then it almost certainly is 2700K, the cheapest and most common.

[MedicM4n]

Lots of good stuff here, i'll be keeping track of this for sure. I'm also working on a CFL project. :smokin:

[HateHeaven]

:jumphappy:

[Indico]

Great info!!! Where were you when I was comparing 5500K with 6500k? No wonder my small plant grew so much with one 5500k CFL. Now, where to find 5700K and 2500K bulbs :D

[Balkey]

Opie is my lover sometimes, other times hes just this short cute thing I like to look at.:stoned::stoned::stoned:

[MedicM4n]

how are they lookin? made any changes in your box?

[Balkey]

Give us an update Hateheaven!

[HateHeaven]

:jointsmile:
Alright, I just hit 1 week. The smaller ones were planted a few days after each other. Also one of my lights burnt out somehow. I think because the light I was using had a dimmer and it said not to use with CFL's.

[Balkey]

Looking quite healthy. When are you going to transplant into larger pots? And did you change your set up any? Change the light..etc. I'm about to do some research on some carbon scrubbers and construct my own to fit on top of my 2 fans. My 5 babies just perfumed my room and when I woke up this morning, I noticed it soooooo I need to do something about it. Walmart sells some cheapo air ionizer but with those you probably get out what you put in, so its probably shit, but I might try it out since its cheap.

Keep us updated. We always enjoy seeing pictures and updates.:stoned::stoned::stoned:

[MedicM4n]

Plants are lookin pretty fresh man :)

Are you growing in a cab Balkey? At my local hydro store there is a micro carbon scrubber that is only $50. You have to replace the whole unit after 6 months though. I can't think of the name but when I go in I will get the info on it. It looks badass

[Balkey]

My grow setup is in this thread. Just go back to the first page, I posted it. I wanna try to either find a scrubber that will fit over my 2 fans or build one. Right now, I went to HD and bought some cheap Gonzo Odor Eliminator rocks or some shit. Placed the bag of "rocks" on the 2 fans I have so the air coming out passes through the bags and will give it 24 hours or so to see if it can handle the smell that the plants are giving off right now.

Did a quick internet search of the Gonzo Odor Eliminator and on the first page is a link to a mj forum with growers who have used it lol. How ironic. BUT I will let you guys know tomorrow if these rocks or they say "crystals" are effective. For $6, if it works, its a hell of a find. IMO Oh, and supposedly to renew the rocks, all you do is hang the bag in the sunlight for 6 hours and your back in action....interesting to say the least. :stoned::stoned:

[HateHeaven]

well the dimmer I had burned one of my CFL's out. Go figure the one on the side, so I just have one 42watt going. I'm in the process of making a bigger cabinet. check out my last posts.

[HateHeaven]

a day later and they are looking much bigger.

[Balkey]

Looking good man, mine are looking good too! Like I said, I'd update you guys on whether or not the Gonzo Odor Eliminator crazy bags would do the job and to my surprise they have. I'll take a picture later after work, but they work.

hate heaven what do you think of you and I duel posting our babies/little kids on this post together. A duel log!? Your's are about the same age as mine give or take some days.

AND, I see you have more than just 2 going there. My question is, will your new cabinet be able to accommodate that many plants when they are at full maturity? They get quite big. Or are you growing more, to give ya better chances of getting 2 ladies?

I'll get some pics up later if you will allow me!:stoned::stoned::stoned:

[HateHeaven]

I would love it if you posted pictures. Duel posting would be amazing, What day did yours sprout on? Mine first 2 big mains ones were on Dec. 9th, and the others on around the 13th and 14th. All together I have 5 Super Silver Haze going. Ill start to post more pictures as well. Today I'm going to go buy some fixtures and some new bulbs. I'm thinking about six 26watts and maybe a few more 42watts. The cabinet isn't that big, but I'm thinking of doing a SCROG.

[HateHeaven]

Here's the cabinet by the way.

[HateHeaven]

One of them is just taking off...

[Opie Yutts]

Looking nice n healthy. By the way HateHeaven, you win the most disgusting AV contest.

[HateHeaven]

Thank you Opie, I'm sorry if it offends you by the way :(

[Opie Yutts]

It takes quite a bit more than that to offend me. It's just that I was thinking of starting a thread about the best AV for whatever category. Like prettiest, trippiest, funniest, most controversial, best animation, best use of a leaf image, most disgusting, etc.

[HateHeaven]

Well I was hoping that wouldn't offend you :jointsmile:

[HateHeaven]

I almost forgot, here is my temporary setup.
Sorry for the shit picture, All I have at the moment is a phone camera :(

[Opie Yutts]

I like the one bulb per plant. Do you have a way of raising the lights when the plants start stretching?

[HateHeaven]

Its just in the there with one little screw. I need another fixture bar probably pretty soon. I got dvd cases raising the plants close to the light for now. I put my other 42watt cfl in there for the 2 seedlings.

[HateHeaven]

Super Silver Haze #1

[HateHeaven]

Super Silver Haze #2

[MasterKief]

Wow all these pictures are making me incredibly jealous!!!

[MedicM4n]

Lookin good man, thinking of transplanting soon?

[HateHeaven]

Yeah, When you think I should transplant? We we just talking about this the other night. I need to get some bigger size pots, and some more soil and perlite. Thats about the only reason why I haven't yet. Also my computer just got a massive virus, so Ive been busy reformatting.

[HateHeaven]

Heres my setup so far.
also, one of the lights fell on a seedling and I think killed it :(

[MedicM4n]

Getting bigger. I need a better camera :mad:

[HateHeaven]

This is my plant, I just posted on a friends account:jointsmile:

[MasterKief]

Getting bigger. I need a better camera :mad:
Wow, it's getting big! :thumbsup:

[HateHeaven]

:D That they are
I also just installed 2 PC fans. One intake, and one outtake.

[HateHeaven]

I moved everything around in the closet, I have tons of room now.

[melodious fellow]

Aight, heres the 5 plants, pic1 is everything thats under my tub.

pic 2 is the 7day old baby. A little blurry but the best I can do with this shit camera.

My plant just hit 7 days, and it is not near as developed as yours. Yours looks quite nice!

[Opie Yutts]

Yeah, yours is looking nice and healthy. What's your secret?

[HateHeaven]

14 days tomorrow. Ill post pictures.

[HateHeaven]

finally 2 weeks :thumbsup:

[HateHeaven]

Hell yea man its lookin fresh! Looks damn good for 2 weeks. The fox farm ocean forest looks like it starts them off nice :thumbsup:

I'm using it now to start all of my seeds in. Due to my previous situation i started them in miracle gro. All of the plants that i started had a small nute problem, and was remedied when switching to the FF soil. Im not bashing miracle gro, ive seen people get good results in it, i just prefer the organic soils.

I'm going to transplant to larger pots soon myself and i am thinking of using FF light warrior. Has anyone used light warrior before? What is a good amendment for this soil, extra perlite?

Right now I am 3 weeks into flowering from 4 weeks veg period and the plants are still in FF ocean forest. I have been watering since flipping to 12/12 with bat guano at every watering. If i switch to the light warrior will i still need guano at every watering?

[MedicM4n]

Hell yea man its lookin fresh! Looks damn good for 2 weeks. The fox farm ocean forest looks like it starts them off nice :thumbsup:

I'm using it now to start all of my seeds in. Due to my previous situation i started them in miracle gro. All of the plants that i started had a small nute problem, and was remedied when switching to the FF soil. Im not bashing miracle gro, ive seen people get good results in it, i just prefer the organic soils.

I'm going to transplant to larger pots soon myself and i am thinking of using FF light warrior. Has anyone used light warrior before? What is a good amendment for this soil, extra perlite?

Right now I am 3 weeks into flowering from 4 weeks veg period and the plants are still in FF ocean forest. I have been watering since flipping to 12/12 with bat guano at every watering. If i switch to the light warrior will i still need guano at every watering?

Dammit i just totally posted from your account.... :eek:

[MasterKief]

What, are you guys sharing the same computer or something?

[HateHeaven]

Nah, I was at his house and was posting on his computer. I knew I should have signed off.... haha sorry man :jointsmile:

[HateHeaven]

I'm having a few problems if anyone can help me out on this thread I would be very thankful. http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/145327-water-bead-burn-nutrient-burn-deficiency.html

[HateHeaven]

Super Silver Haze #1 in the new bigger pot. Didn't mean to get it so close to the edge, was having troubles with the previous pots trying to get it out :(

[HateHeaven]

I also transplanted this unknown plant into a bigger pot the same size as SSH#1. I haven't watered in like 3 days cause it seemed i was over watering it, but i don't know.

[HateHeaven]

Super Silver Haze #2 in the small pot still. This one use to be the same size as #1, but #1 showed fast growth. Also the Super Silver Haze seedling starting to show big growth :jointsmile:

[MedicM4n]

anything significant in the last few days man? how many weeks do you have planned for vegging? about 3 or 4?

[HateHeaven]

I'm not sure, I'm almost at about 3 weeks, so i think I'll be flowering very soon.

[HateHeaven]

getting big

[Opie Yutts]

And lookin good.

[Balkey]

Been a while since I've updated this. Heres where it is now. Had to move it to a friends place, hopefully didn't stress them tooooo much. They still look happy I think. 2 males, 2 females.Showed sex weeks ago. about 4 or 5 more weeks left. LR2. 8 inch pots.

Looking good Heaven!!! loooooooking gooooooooooood.

[HateHeaven]

:jointsmile: how long you been flowering for Balkey?

[HateHeaven]

Also, glad to see I'm not the only one using video game cases to raise my plants :D

[Balkey]

probably about a week and half or so. Still got like 4 or more weeks left so I expect a modest yield for my LR2, especially with it being my first grow and using NO nutes.

I'm wondering whether or not I should trim some leafs so my females concentrate on bud.....any ideas?

And my smaller female is smaller due to a late transplant. You live and you learn.

[HateHeaven]

So are you keeping the males or what?

[HateHeaven]

Yeah I just started flowering mine, so we will see how many turn up female :stoned:

[Balkey]

Hell yeah I'm keeping the males. I'm not growing to sell bro, only for personal use. And LR can not be cloned so if I want to continue to grow it, which I do, I need to get seeds. :jointsmile:

AND, I don't think I will even wash down my grow box after the grow because, I don't mind finding a seed here or there, just assures me future plants.

I've learned a lot from this first grow so, thats the most important thing. :stoned::stoned::stoned:

Also curious what I can yield with these plants with no nutes...then try nutes and see what the yield is...I wonder what on avg. the increase is yield and size is when using nutes and not using nutes:cool::cool::cool:

[HateHeaven]

Ah, I wasn't aware you were growing Lowrider. :thumbsup:

[Balkey]

hows that new cabinet working out for ya? You gonna LST heavily once your babies get big?

[HateHeaven]

New cabinet is working out great. I have 2 females out of 4, at the moment. Hopefully the others turn female also. I don't have a good camera at the moment so I probably wont be able to provide pictures of the pistols. Ill keep it updated :thumbsup:

[HateHeaven]

And I'm thinking about LST or SCROG.

[Balkey]

Yeah, I had 2 females out of 5....I hope my luck gets better in the future!!!!

[HateHeaven]

The left two are female, and the right two haven't showed sex yet. I know they are small to be flowering, but we will see what happens. :thumbsup:

[HateHeaven]

This plant hasn't showed sex yet, but it use to be drooping from over watering it. Hopefully it turns out female.

[HateHeaven]

The big female is much taller. Also the unknown indica was cut awhile back and now has what looks like 3 tops

[Balkey]

I think you love taking pictures. Nice looking though!!

[Balkey]

Friend sent me some new pics, they are coming along. :stoned::stoned:

A little concerned if not perplexed why my clear hairs clearly are turning red within maybe 2 weeks into flowering. It is Lowryder but...still perplexing.

The sideways pic is the smaller of the 2 women.

[HateHeaven]

looking good for 2 weeks man! :thumbsup:

[Balkey]

I keep looking back and forth from the picture of the 4 pots 3 or so days ago and the newest pic of the 4 pots and am a little surprised at the growth. Puts a smile on my face!!

Maybe my friend is using steroids!!!.....I don't wanna be in the next steroids scandal!!

[Opie Yutts]

You do realize that your plants are breeding right now and your weed is going to end up with a bunch of seeds? I can't remember if you said you wanted that.

[Balkey]

Oh Opie, you are a squirrelly fur ball! Yeah, I do realize that and am quite happy about it. Lowryder2 is the plant (can't clone). Is there something wrong with how it's being done? And, I'm not concerned, but just curious why the hairs are turning reddish already.

Either way, the weed with a bunch of seeds in it will still be better than the shit we have in my area right now. :mad::mad:

P.S. Glad someone else is popping to take a look at our progress! Thanks fur ball!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

No I don't think you were doing anything wrong. I was just pretty buzzed at that time and couldn't remember if you were trying to get seeds or not. Ah yes, Lowryder. I guess you gotta do that if you don't want to keep buying seeds. There's gotta be some way to clone it. There's gotta be some real nasty chemical somewhere that can keep autoflowering plants form flowering. OK, maybe not. And about the hairs, I've not grown Lowryder so I don't know if the hairs turn brown any sooner than average. Don't ever remember anyone saying anything about that. I don't think it's anything to worry about. I know some buds are just covered in hairs and some don't have many.

[Balkey]

I swear I saw somewhere in my search a little while back of lowryder, that keeping it at a lower temperature something like 55F will prolong veg and then you could get clipping from it, but I have never seen that info again. I wish I didn't have to get seeds but oh wells!

have a good day!

[HateHeaven]

I got tons of new lights. All together now I have three 42watts and six 23watts. So I have a total of 264 watts and about 17,400 Lumens. :thumbsup:

[MedicM4n]

its so BRIGHT. Need some shades :thumbsup::cool: How you cooling it all down?

[HateHeaven]

I got a little 12 inch fan blowing on them and shaking the plants a bit, along with the 2 pc fans behind them. I don't have a therm, but it doesn't get hot at all

[Balkey]

I can't even look at that picture without squinting!.....wait wait, my eyes are already squinted......no idea from what though...hmmmm:stoned::stoned::stoned:

[HateHeaven]

I have a cell phone camera. Sorry for the shitty quality :(

[Balkey]

:stoned::stoned: It is coming along.

[HateHeaven]

what day flowering are you on?

[Balkey]

I got about 5 weeks left I believe. The progress is looking great. I love it.

[Opie Yutts]

It's pretty cool when you start seeing all your efforts come together, huh?

[rnichilo]

cool shit!

[Balkey]

Yeah, Opie it really is. Its rewarding, in a strange way.

[HateHeaven]

:jointsmile: sorry for the shitty picture again. It will be a month in 3 days.

[Balkey]

You really need to go spend a little money to get ya an actual camera!!! DO IT!!!

[HateHeaven]

Actually, my old roomate stole mine not too long ago.

[MedicM4n]

assholes always f**k over good people. :(

Looks gorgeous man. Are all your lights dedicated to canopy lighting? Have you thought about maybe putting some on the sides? At the store today i saw these CFL's that were flat tubes, they were 300W equivalents. They are kind of hard to explain, but the problem was they plugged into a 4 prong adapter... Has anyone seen these before? I'm doing more research right now to figure out what these were.

[HateHeaven]

There are lights on the tops and sides on of most all the plants. I've been rotating them, so all sides get light. I want to get a few flat tubes though. 300w ones you saw? nice! let me know what you find out what they plug into

[Balkey]

When are you going to Flower that bitch Hate heaven?

[HateHeaven]

I started flowering a week ago. I got 2 females and i think 1 more is female, but it hasn't sexed yet.

[Balkey]

Did you change your bulbs to the correct light spectrum? Those high kelvin ratings are for veg son.

[HateHeaven]

did you not see how many new bulbs I got? I have about 280 watts now. 80% red spectrum.

[Balkey]

Those lights in the pic you posted on the 4th doesn't look "red" to me. Should look like regular incandescent light. I mean if you've changed them then coooooooool. Just looking out!

[HateHeaven]

The camera I used was from a cell phone, any light will show up white.

[MedicM4n]

yea, it is kind of hard to tell. Now that i think about it, my phone does the same.

I couldn't find a damn thing about those lights.... weird. This weekend im going to go searching in Home Depot to find that 4 prong adapter.

Here is what I saw: 4-Pin 2D / Butterfly: Light Bulbs Etc, Inc. (http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/CTGY/CFButterfly)

[Bodom Children Of]

nice plants :thumbsup:

[Balkey]

WHOA! Bodom is posting?!?!? Been a while since you've posted! You have plenty of rubbermaid successors!

[somedreamndigital]

Balkey you also construct very nice Rubbermaids. You and Bodom fucking rock!!! IM sorry Balkey, but did you say your chick was a Lowrider?:thumbsup:

[Balkey]

Yup both my chicks are LR2. Fully pollinated chicks lol. BUT, should ensure future good times. I took the idea from Bodom. His box inspired me, well and some others.

[HateHeaven]

Super Silver Haze #1 will be 1 month tomorrow on Jan 9th. Today marks week 2 flowering 1st day :thumbsup:

[Balkey]

looooking gooooooooood. I sure do wish you would buy a camera though!!! haha:stoned::stoned:

[Opie Yutts]

Looks good. Smokables a comin'.

[Balkey]

Hey Medicman, that light you found is interesting, could be very useful in a confined space for secondary lighting. HMMMMM

[MedicM4n]

yea i dont think its very practical though. it seems like the outlet u need for it is $30+ wherever u can find it. You could just get a bunch of fluoro tubes for that price. I want my cabinet to have walls of light! those butterfly ones would be sweet since they are flat, but ya the adapter for it is a buzzkill.:(

[HateHeaven]

All 3 have pistols and are confirmed female, I hope. On both the Super Silver Haze's (the middle and right plants) there are lots of female preflowers and on the lower nodes I found what appeared to be little balls. They weren't bunched up like male preflowers, there was only 1 on each node and could come off when touched. I took all of them off in fear of pollination. I read that they could be female preflowers that just don't have the hairs coming out of them yet. I know my camera is good enough to take pictures of them, but can anyone PLEASE help me out?? :(

[CultureCherryPopper]

Yeah, I have a growth like that on a plant I LST'ed. It's at a node that I topped too, so I figured it was just stress. If anyone has any insight that'd be great.

[HateHeaven]

Ive been researching it the past few days and couldn't find anything on it.

[Balkey]

From what your saying and I have read, you have 2 puffy objects sort of next to each other, and have some red hairs coming out of it? If thats the case, I have seen those on plants in person and I wouldn't concern myself with them. Nuts on a male have a distinct look and I don't think they are what you are seeing. I am almost positive its common on some strains and plants. Don't take my word for it though, but I wouldn't worry about them though. BUT, keep doing some research, talk to experienced grower, and find a picture!!!!! because I could be wrong.

[Opie Yutts]

Crap, another thread with deleted pictures. Sorry to hear about that.

[HateHeaven]

Wow, Is that what happened? That really sucks :(

[Balkey]

Man, well yeah that sucks lol.

[CultureCherryPopper]

The growth was starting to look like a nanner because it was starting to elongate and three ridges. I picked it off and decided to top another growth as an experiment. If it happens again, momma don't like topping.

[CultureCherryPopper]

Okay, so after a little inspiration (:jointsmile:) I was thinking: The plant was LST'ed so the internodal growths would become main colas. Now, I topped the first upward growth after only the second or third node. Could it be that it hermied because I topped it too soon, rather than waiting for say, fifth or sixth node? Just a thought, input appreciated.

[MedicM4n]

I have seen in places elsewhere weird things happen with plants that get topped really young. A lot of them seem to look hermie, so i think it could be a factor.

[MedicM4n]

LOL my plant has balls on it.... im going to see how it turns out, i did not top it either... what the hell is going on?!

[MedicM4n]

Yep my plant was releasing pollen, all together there were like 6 banana lookin things, and a couple "unopened balls". I took them all off, looks like ill have some buds with seeds now right? the banana things were releasing pollen. If so, i dont really care, arent seeds from hermie buds feminized?

[CultureCherryPopper]

Shit, if that's the case I shoulda let the little bugger keep going and put her into flowering. Someone confirm or deny that notion.

[MedicM4n]

I originally heard this from HateHeaven lol :smokin: I looked around to try and find his source, then I remember reading a small thing from kindseed about feminized seeds. I found it and here is what is says:

"Feminized marijuana seeds are produced by forcing a female marijuana plant to produce male flowers and then using the pollen to fertilize another female. The result is marijuana seeds that will be 99 - 100% female marijuana plants."

They force a plant to go hermie by introducing a 1 hour light period in the middle of the dark period during 12/12. It stresses the plant out and turns it hermie. This leads me to wonder if a plant that is naturally a hermie will produce feminized seeds if it pollinates itself... the blurb says they use the male pollen and pollinate another plant, so i wonder if self pollination does the same thing.

[Balkey]

This debate won't end. I have read similar things about hermies producing relatively feminized seeds but there ARE down falls. The genetics of the strain would now be weakened and your strain would now be less resistant to stress and more likely to hermie.

To each their own. :stoned:

[MedicM4n]

Even if it isn't 100% feminized I don't mind. I don't know much about hermies or feminized seeds, but atleast now I will get some first hand experience right? :D

[HateHeaven]

I've read mixed things on the subject, But I know in order for the seed to be feminized it cant have any male genetics or in other words pollinated by a male. I cant find the link but a grower said that you need to find a female that with as much stress as possible wont turn male. any pros have any comments on this??

[Opie Yutts]

stinky had a way of simplifying this, that was easy to understand. Can't remember what thread that was.

[Balkey]

I would put money down on this is that this is the thread you are talking about Opie....

http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/5213-feminize-your-own-seeds-i-know-how.html

[Opie Yutts]

No, I think she went into more detail, like a couple good paragraphs. Darn where was that?

[HateHeaven]

well I'm interested in this also. Please post if you find Opie :jointsmile:

[CultureCherryPopper]

It seems that seed from hermies are prone to offspring susceptible to hermie-ing from stress. That, and the debate over feminized seeds still rages, with many advocating that it's pointless and that seeds in good or ideal conditions will have a just as good of a chance to be female anyway. Also, some claim that seed raised in 12/12 light will have a higher chance to be female. Really, all I can gather is do your own research and experimenting.

[HateHeaven]

Well I found and think it will solve this. International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - Feminised pollen (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=51409)

The hermi pollen must be used on a separate female, self pollination will just make the genetics more likely to turn herm. I guess that makes sense. :rasta:



ANYWAYS on a lighter note. My plants are 3 weeks into flowering and looking great. Ill post some pictures later :jointsmile:

[HateHeaven]

so I'm coming to the end of the 3rd week of flowering, here are some pictures :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

Looks like they're coming along real nice. Mine have been flowering the same amount of time I think. Both are making me drool now. Can't wait to see what they look like in another 3 weeks.

[twitch]

wow 3rd week looking like that i cant wait to see the end

[Balkey]

Looking good! Just wait till you get to the point of sampling......:stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned:

[Balkey]

Finished product of the smaller one. Won't last that long though lol, but its nice shit!! :stoned::stoned:

And can anyone tell me why the top of the buds turn semi purple? I had a lot of things going in my grow: A 4 day heat wave (prolly around 100 or so in there), they were pollinated (purposely), dumped this one over multiple times, but the other one is a little worse than this one with the discolored tops. Not sure if its safe to smoke so yeah, any ideas? I've looked at some mold pics and rot pics and I'm unsure if its rot or not or if it was the Heat wave I put it through during flower.

The discoloration started on the ENDS of the leaves and worked its way back. So it was perplexing to me.

[HateHeaven]

Day 35 flowering

[HateHeaven]

Day 40 :thumbsup:

[antman20]

thats awsome its always good to see more and more people tryin
the cfl way i have some plants started they are 24 days old right now.
i have a total of 7 plants
3 i think r showing female
i have sum pics and a grow log of my own so please check it out
box is 4' tall
1'5" 2'
8 cfl daylight bulbs
1 fan blowing in
stays around 83deg when light on
just let me no what you think since youre farther along than i am
i would appreciate it

[HateHeaven]

Yeah, I definitely am surprised since this is the first time I have done any kind of CFL indoor grow. But yours are looking way healthy! What strain do are growing by the way?

[Opie Yutts]

Not sure if its safe to smoke so yeah, any ideas? I've looked at some mold pics and rot pics and I'm unsure if its rot or not or if it was the Heat wave I put it through during flower.

The discoloration started on the ENDS of the leaves and worked its way back. So it was perplexing to me.

It's very dangerous to smoke mold, but I've always just picked any off and I'm still living. Doesn't exactly sound like bud rot to me though. Bud rot doesn't start in the leaves. Especially toward the end of flowering, plants can turn all kinds of colors. Awhile back I had one plant that was either green, yellow or purple, with no variation in between. There are many reasons for this or purpleness in general, but most people say purpling is an indication of improper nutrients. On my current grow, the hairs of the buds directly under the CFLs are turning purple, while the others are not. No clue why. If it's not moldy or rotten it's perfectly safe to smoke.

Here's some shots of bud rot from one of my early rain harvests. Notice the pretty purple plant parts? Nutrients were nothing other than MG soil with time release ferts. (Gasp) I know, but it works just fine for the plant it and forget it method of outdoor growing.

[psteve]

Bud rot comes from the middle of the bud, not the tips of the leaves.
It's probably not mold.

[Balkey]

Thanks both of ya! I figured it wasn't any rot and went ahead and smoked some of it. See Opie, I didn't use any nutes, only used fox farm soil, and umm water (pH adjusted). So I def. had nute deficiencies. Oh well, buds were full of seeds and a great smoke. :stoned:

Really want to try a real plant though, but oh well. Hate Heaven, its looking good!!!!!:rasta::hippy::smokin:

[HateHeaven]

Day 46 flowering :stoned:

[psteve]

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[sublime27]

Looks great!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[MedicM4n]

so you are giving it some sweet now? Water/sugar/honey? How much sugar and honey do you mix in the water?

[palerider7777]

Thanks both of ya! I figured it wasn't any rot and went ahead and smoked some of it. See Opie, I didn't use any nutes, only used fox farm soil, and umm water (pH adjusted). So I def. had nute deficiencies. Oh well, buds were full of seeds and a great smoke. :stoned:

Really want to try a real plant though, but oh well. Hate Heaven, its looking good!!!!!:rasta::hippy::smokin:

i was gonna say it looked seedy and do u have a fan blowing right on them at all? as sum times that can cause wind burn on the tips of the leaves

[hanayama]

Sublime!!!
your signature...my signature...
they are the same!!
holy geez!!!!

[Opie Yutts]

wind burn

What? I haven't heard of that one. Does it just dry out certain parts of the leaves to the point where they cant transpire there, or what?

[psteve]

What? I haven't heard of that one. Does it just dry out certain parts of the leaves to the point where they cant transpire there, or what?It's from the edges of the leaves rubbing together.

[HateHeaven]

so you are giving it some sweet now? Water/sugar/honey? How much sugar and honey do you mix in the water?


Right now I'm just using 1 tbsp of sweet per gallon. I really want to get some Blackstrap molasses :stoned:

*update*
Today starts week 7 of flowering :jointsmile:

[lachius]

why does anyone want to grow buds with seeds in them,,
if wanting seeds to grow with ,, either buy them ,,or better yet just grow a mother and take clones,,,

[Sandm4n]

with low ryder you cant unless you prolong the veg peiod :thumbsup: