Vaginismus

[Frontios]

A question for anyone with medical expertise out there -

Any idea if moderate use of pot could assist the initial overcoming (treatment) of secondary vaginismus, that is the condition in a woman which causes penetrative sex to be impossible due to involuntary clamping of the PC muscles?

This is not related to lack of foreplay etc. rather a pyschological re-inforcement due to previous painful experience, resulting in a physical stalemate.

I've read plenty of statements on marijuana's ability to encourage general muscle relaxation but I can't find anything on the net relating to its possible use in cases of vaginismus.

Just to emphasize that this query does not relate to improving sex but rather to enabling penetration in an already long term relationship that currently enjoys a loving and fulfilling general sex life.

Having tried many other techniques (including dilation) I would really appreciate if anyone with similar experiences or knowledge could advise me on this subject.

all the best.
looking forward to your responses.

[SantaClawz]

Have you smoked cannabis before?

[GreenLadyOfDankDowns]

Hey Frontios, welcome. Some patients use it to treat the tremors and muscle spasms associated with Parkinson's and MS so I'd say there is a good chance that cannabis could help you. I don't know how much you actually know about cannabis (if you don't know much, this is a great place to learn), but there are different types and strains of the plant. A strain which is primarily indica is known to have more of a body stone, which means you're whole body feels very relaxed.

In my opinion, for your condition, a strain that is from the indica family or one which is mostly indica would probably help you. If you live in a location where marijuana is acceptable for med purposes you should discuss this with your doctor.

[Frontios]

Thanks for your reply!

I've smoked a handful of times in college, with friends, but really I wouldn't be a massive fan of recreational smoking - simply because on a 'fun' level the stuff I've smoked has only really made me feel tired or nothing at all - i suspect what i was smoking was very poor quality.

I feel that if I could overcome the muscle clench a couple of times even with 'artificial' help it would allow me to relax during regular sex by showing me that penetration is possible..

[Coelho]

Well... it may be a bit off topic, but anyway... if you ever know HOW MUCH more intense sex can be on weed... damn... no words can explain it... you must try it for yourself... or then look at the sexuality forums... as the link for it is somewhat lost, ill put it here:

Sexuality and Relationships - Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Lifestyle, Weed, Culture, News (http://boards.cannabis.com/sexuality-relationships/)

Anyway... good luck! I hope you solve your problem, and enjoy the sex better! :thumbsup:

[Frontios]

I'm going to Amsterdam soon to primarily experiment with different strains of cannabis in order to test their effects in relation to my condition. You guys mentioned Indica Strain as particular useful to achieve a full body relaxation. Any particular recommendations for the Amsterdam excursion that might be of special interest to me?


Thanks in advance!

[birdgirl73]

Have you talked to your ob-gyn about the condition? I hope so. They treat it pretty frequently, and you won't have to go to Amsterdam, either. They use a graduated "artificial" method approach.

[Frontios]

Yeah I have talked to my ob/gyn, and been to various specialists etc. I've been working the dilator approach, but progress is slow - i'm basically uncomfortable with the method. I've had sex before, but not with my current partner; it's become a physical reflex effect, so I'm encouraged to try different techniques/strategies to help overcome the routine - this current line of questioning on this site being one such avenue of exploration, alongside therapies, relaxation, kegel etc etc.
Thanks though for taking my queries seriously and with care and attention:)

[MadSativa]

wow I am way to high for this right now, I know what a vagina is and I what an *ism* but I am frekin wasted, mabey some one could explain a little bit cause I just keep giggling and cant get passed the vaganisum part

[birdgirl73]

MadSativa, look up the term on Google, but take the proper spelling from this thread title, not from your spelling in the previous post.

Frontios, I had two friends acquaintances when I was in my 20s who had that condition. One had gotten married and discovered the condition on her wedding night (she believed in saving sex until then). Her husband was very patient and tolerant, but I've lost touch with her and don't know if that marriage survived. She was working with an ob-gyn and using the dilators, but that was as much as I ever knew. The other acquaintance had had a trauma and had that condition as a result, almost involuntarily. She did some psychotherapy as part of her recovery, and that helped a lot. Instead of the dilators, she and her partner did "digital" expansion exercises. She had to do some concentrated work on post-traumatic stress disorder before she was able to "loosen up" enough to take the digital approach. She had the same trouble at the ob-gyn, so both sex and yearly pelvic exams were downright impossible until she made some progress on her treatment.

I'm pleased that folks have treated this topic with respect and sensitivity, too. That's a tough thing to overcome. I think GreenLady's suggestion to look into Indica strains is a great one. They're known to be more body-relaxing and spasm-relieving. Sativas can heighten anxiety and tension in many people. If you go to Amsterdam, just ask at the cafes about good Indica-dominant medical strains for muscle relaxation. They can guide you better than we can, I suspect. There's certainly no need to go into details about what muscles you're referring to! Good luck with this.

[Frontios]

dear birdgirl,

thank you very much for your help and understanding. My boyfriend is very understanding and i'm working closely with my doctor, but yeah progress is slow and life can be difficult and strained. I just happen to be in Amsterdam with my boyfriend in a month, so our attitude is doggedly to let's try everything possible that may help in the treatment of this condition. not as a crutch or an escape or even a supplement, but simply to explore our options in good faith. thank you again for your sound advice an empathy.

[Hajpoj]

I don't wish to sound crass or offensive so I offer advice with a grain of salt. Intense passionate love-making could help you overcome this hurdle, overpowering all your senses at once under the right conditions could allow you to get so "lost in the moment" that everything else will just come natural to you.

Getting away from familiar locations will help dearly, a vacation far away allows you to separate yourself further from earthly woes. It's not about telling yourself anything, that's what you want to avoid. You don't want to feel any pressure or anxiety or pain, you're away from all that now and ready to completely let yourself be blissed out. You want to bite onto your lover's lip, and sink your nails deeply into his back. Never looking back.

[xsaist]

I stumbled upon this topic while searching if people were aware of this.

My girlfriend has had vaginismus for years, which hasn't been a problem for her because her former partners were women. We've been a couple for 4 months now, and it's going great. We haven't had any problems with the fact that she has vaginismus because we have anal sex.

In any case, last week I finally got my hands on some good quality weed (which is quite hard to find in this country) and I smoked it with my girlfriend.
After we were both baked, i started playing with her, and to our surprise, we noticed that my fingered practically slid into her vagina.
That was the first time we were able to have vaginal sex.

So. to answer your question: Yes, it does.

Mind you, my girlfriend doesn't smoke cigarettes, so when we used to smoke, she never got stoned, because she didn't inhale.
We solved this problem by me taking a puff from the joint without inhaling, and slowly blowing it in her mouth, while she inhaled.
We liked this so much (seeing as the smoke goes all the way down and because it's nice to be so close to each other.) She does it to me as well.

[Jbassey]

dear birdgirl,

thank you very much for your help and understanding. My boyfriend is very understanding and i'm working closely with my doctor, but yeah progress is slow and life can be difficult and strained. I just happen to be in Amsterdam with my boyfriend in a month, so our attitude is doggedly to let's try everything possible that may help in the treatment of this condition. not as a crutch or an escape or even a supplement, but simply to explore our options in good faith. thank you again for your sound advice an empathy.



Hey Frontios,

Any update on your trip to Amsterdam? Did you go ahead to explore the options of using marijuana to help support your treatment of Vaginismus? If yes, how did it go?