Busted: A citizen's guide to surviving police encounters

[Markass]

For some of you young adults such as myself out there, this video could possibly provide you with knowledge to make yourself much less susceptible to being busted in certain circumstances; I was never aware you could refuse a search without probable cause until I watched this. I watch this every couple months or so..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

[Psycho4Bud]

Great flick...a MUST watch for all!!! I got that sticky on this for ya.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Potastic]

awesome video.great tips.

[Diffindo]

great video. I've seen it before. Even if you aren't doing anything illegal it is still very important to be aware of your rights

[sesamesticks]

this is super educational, gettin my liscense soon, good stuff to know

[OneLove23]

WATCH THIS VIDEO!!! This Video could pottentially save me Probation, Jail, and large Fines!! Thanks a ton!! One thing that is a little unclear is, If they smell it, is that probable cause? I live in Minnesota!!! Great Video!!!:rastasmoke:

[rebgirl420]

This should be stickied!

[Dream of the iris]

Woah guys hold the phone! I'll agree with this video on the pedestrian part and the house part but do not under any circumstances LISTEN TO THE CAR PART!!! He's right about those laws being your constitutional rights but lets step back into reality here. Everything those stoners did in the car scene is giving that officer reason to suspect something illegal is going on. Though it doesn't give him the right to search it does give him the right to do other things. For one thing he cracked his window which is an indication that he's attempting to hide the smell. Also he refused consent which is the stupidest thing anyone can do. Also he locked his car which would obviously make him suspicious. Though all these are very well in our consitutional rights doesn't mean it will really save you. By doing all of those it will certainly raise an eyebrow for the cop in which case he would then call for back up, I.E the k-9 unit. Cops are allowed to detain you for as long as he likes even if it meant all day. So after getting the k-9 unit to come by though they couldn't physically get in the car they are allowed to sniff around it which is generally enough for a dog to sniff out pot. If the dog goes nuts and starts scratching to get in thats probable cause which is enough to search your car and that would lead to your doom. Even if the k-9 unit really didn't smell pot the cops literally train the dogs to go nuts when they say phrases like "go get it boy". By training them to go nuts like that it makes the dogs believe their "toy" is in there which would cause a false read. So heres my advice...

First off if your driving around with anything illicit find a really good hiding spot like the speakers or under the dash board. Usually hiding it in really low or really high places makes it more difficult for the dogs to sniff out. The stupidest thing would be to put it in one of those shaving creame cans that screw off....cops know all about those things. The only way those things would work is if you had other things around it to associate it with like in a shaving creame kit inside a duffle bag. So you have a super good hiding spot right? If a cop pulls you over just act calm and cool. Don't fidget, don't smoke a cig, don't shift your eyes. Just look him straight in the eye using your poker face. Cops gonna ask you what to do and of course you don't admit to any wrong doing but he may or may not ask you for a search. IF HE ASKS CONSENT! The reason being is because if you don't that will raise the eyebrow. More than likely the cop is going to search through simple places like glove compartment and under searts. He more than likely won't unscrew the car just to get to it. After he does a quick search just be on your way.

This video is 100 percent true about the legality of it but not really accurate about the reality of it. The best thing to do is put yourself in the cops shoes and make it appear as if you have nothing to hide. Keeping a clean face and a safe location are good starters but there a million other things one would probably want to do as well which they failed to mention. For one thing if your carrying stuff don't speed. Even 1 mile over the speed limit is enough to get pulled over. Also under speeding is just as illegal. Best thing to do is go exactly the speed limit therefore they cannot legally pull you over. Obey all traffic rules like complete stops and turn signals and whatnot. Also don't have bumper stickers like legalize it or even ones like help the police. The best thing to do is have no bumper stickers at all. Also don't go around with a pot shirt and dredlocks...cops arn't dumb. And most importantly don't go "hotboxing" if your gonna smoke do it in your home or another safe location...use your own judgement for that. And if your only carrying pot and its only a small amount your best bet is to just simply eat it. Anyway the video had some good tips but definitely needs a reality check.

[BlazinINthe617]

Dream, you are half correct.....the reason you do and say all that stuff in the car part is to cover yourself. If you asert your rights then you can bring that up in court, and with a decent lawer you can show that your rights were infringed. Also if it's only MJ then and you really want to bring up the Bill of Rights and the Constitution you can say/show how MJ being illegal is Unconstitutional even though it's a "law", I'm shure that if you play your card's right, as well as asert your GIVEN/ENTITLED rights as, an AMERICAN that is free to make your own choices, that don't infringe on any other AMERICAN'S rights, And SMOKING/VAPEING/EATING/LOVING MARIJUANA is not doing any of the latter.

But I said half correct because if you don't live somewhere where argueing your political views can get you somewhere( like where i live )then you better hope that the cops arnt compleat assholes and they follow the law as well.

[Dream of the iris]

well your correct, if you have the balls to assert your rights then thats great, more power to you. But if you want to avoid getting arrested then its ill advised. Judges are supposed to be non biased in their opinions but the reality of it is EVERYONE is biased in their opinions whether they try to or not. Most judges will look at the case and side more with the cop rather than the constitution unfortunately because the fact is most people who are up there in the legal system are against pot. Its possible to win that case but it would be incredibly difficult to do it....I mean you'd have to have a lawyer like OJ's to win something like that. If your not afraid to get a criminal record then it would be important to stand up to it but like a lot of good citizens in this World we have a hell of a lot to live for than loseing some of those rights. I would only fight for something if it heavily violated my freedoms. For instance, if I called the cops because someone stole my money and the cops beat the shit out of me because I bothered them, then I would go up in a riot and most certainly risk my own freedom and life for it but risking your life for this is like risking your life when someone stole 30 dollars from you. Its better to just be submissive about it.

[Gonzo54]

YouTube - Adam & Joe Guide - Talking to the Police (http://youtube.com/watch?v=El-CDH3UK6I)

[BlazinINthe617]

Yes, Dream thats what im saying, if we can have people stand up for their rites as well as let the people who are not educatied on the gloryous MJ and educate them on is, i bevlive in that sort of thing going on(being detaind for long peirods of time) and afecting the avaibility of cops, they can bring it to the attition to everyone about how some cop waisting time with some mear "breach in our rights"(gettig busted for MJ possesion/growing ect..) is being detaind for long peirods of time whilst another young teenage woman is raped or a kid kidnapd and the cop cant respond quick enugh to find the "creepy guy in the night", JUst because one "suspeicious looking man/woman" is standing up for their rights. And in adidtion to wasting time, they are also wasting MONEY,(TAX PAYERS MONEY), DO u see what i'm getting at here. If we do this and spred this message around i think that we will some NORMALITY in our life time.

[BlazinINthe617]

P.S. I WAS & AM PRIDY DAMN HIGH SO IF SOME OF THAT DOSENT MAKE SENCE JUST ASK ME ABOUT AND ILL TRY TO REMBER...:stoned: :D:rastasmoke::pimp: vapolution VAPOLUTION IS THE SHIT

[SFGurrilla]

Dosnt matter. Cops will still bust in your car and cuff you and then bring you to jail even if there case is going to be dropped.

[BlazinINthe617]

yea exacly im well aware of the repercusions of the situation, but its the reprocusions that im trying to change and that is one way that people can stand up for whats right, with a good lawer or even just with you own argument you can show how that law is unjust, and show that there is a real problem with our goverment when Citicenz of our cuntry are hastled for envoking their rights, in adition to wasting billions of dollars of tax payers money in the process. in aditon to other things that i said before.


P.S. still pridy high so again is n e thing sounds funny or wrong let me no and ill try to help you..:stoned:

[dank4KB2buds0]

yo, great tips. really great. im gettin my license soon so its all good to know.

that dumb mother fucker in the back just fucked over his friends. everything was rollin fine until that kid in the back bugged out.

well, i'll be on my way now as i am rolling an extremely large blunt.
1/8 of KB fellas.:rastasmoke:

[dank4KB2buds0]

hahahahaahaha

i paused this video at 4:20 :thumbsup:

im so high =]

[ijustloveweed]

fuckin texas cops suck man, atleast around the houston area

[Markass]

well your correct, if you have the balls to assert your rights then thats great, more power to you. But if you want to avoid getting arrested then its ill advised. Judges are supposed to be non biased in their opinions but the reality of it is EVERYONE is biased in their opinions whether they try to or not. Most judges will look at the case and side more with the cop rather than the constitution unfortunately because the fact is most people who are up there in the legal system are against pot. Its possible to win that case but it would be incredibly difficult to do it....I mean you'd have to have a lawyer like OJ's to win something like that. If your not afraid to get a criminal record then it would be important to stand up to it but like a lot of good citizens in this World we have a hell of a lot to live for than loseing some of those rights. I would only fight for something if it heavily violated my freedoms. For instance, if I called the cops because someone stole my money and the cops beat the shit out of me because I bothered them, then I would go up in a riot and most certainly risk my own freedom and life for it but risking your life for this is like risking your life when someone stole 30 dollars from you. Its better to just be submissive about it.

I will never let an officer of the law trump on my rights. The constitution was written for a reason, and as an American, I'll be DAMNED if they're going to pretend like it doesn't exist without me intervening. If The pot's in my ashtray and he asks to search my vehicle even with the ashtray closed, it's not worth going to jail over, and I'll simply respond by asking if he has probable cause. I like your negative attitude though, hopefully a lot of my fellow young people aren't as ignorant towards their rights :thumbsup:

[BlazinINthe617]

Yeah Markass, thats what I'm talking about. Stand up your rights as an American, and even if you have nothing to hide you shud still stand up for whats right and make shure that police are not taking advantage of the power, And if they do hastle you and try to give you a hard time for no good(or any reason related to MJ) reason then you should always tell your senator and/or the news media. Because there is no way that the laws that are putting people that are not doing anything to anybody(people embracing the Herb i've come to know and love, Marijuana), in prison for the same length of time as someone who raped a little girl or some other violent crime that is scaring someone for life, are in any way justified to be laws.
So for any one elce like Dream wants to let your rights be broken like its nothing, you might as well not even use the "magical plant" because, you wouldn't be helping me or anyone elce like me that wants to see Marijuana be legalized in my/their life time by not standing up for your self.

[fiddyonefiddy]

i paid $250.00 u.s. dollars for this advice from an attorney.
"JUST SAY NO". pass that to all of you for free.
anytime a cop asks permission to do anything,"JUST SAY NO".your not gonna beat the ride but you can beat the wrap.
dont be a smart ass and dont be rude even if he is, nowadays everything is on video and audio.this benefits you more than them believe it or not.the camera is the only non biased witness therefore the best witness for you and its undisputable evidence in court,for you and them.usually they say i smell whatever and i can search your car anyway if i want but id like to have your permission "JUST SAY NO". now this will piss them off because now they are no longer in control of the situation.and they dont like that at all. if you aint rude about it and just state matter of fact that you are within the bounds of your rights not be searched. if hes gonna do it he doesnt have to ask and probably wont , hell just say he's gonna do it if he really has probable cause.he saw a joint in your ashtray you forgot about or you had residue from rolling one and driving on your shirt, ect.ect.thats probable cause and so is smelling it.

its all a game , learn to play the game and use the rules to benefit you, not them.they have to play by the rules to a certain extent.and if you dont know the rules your fubared.

if your getting jacked or think you are being harassed by the cop at all, ask to have a supervisor come out to the scene. im not sure about all police depts but most they will have a super come out and you can talk to him instead.
dont let your emotions get the better of you be cool and calm and just say no.
dream has alot of good points but dream you should never ever incriminate yourself, so if you have something on you you arent supposed to for sure you say no.if you got some good dank they are gonna smell it. especially under the dash where its gonna get into the ac or worse the heater. never carry more than you are willing to eat.was always my phrase.

my mom calls it being invisible,all your lights work,including your liscensce plate light. tags and inspection are good. little stuff to give them a reason to pull you over.as far as speeding,well if you go 1 mph over around here youll get run over. a lil slower than the flow of traffic is usually good.most people run 10mph over here, i usually run 5-7mph over. never had a speeding ticket ever.(knockin my own head now to knock on wood).

[Dream of the iris]

wow lot of posts from that which was expected lol. Blazin you're absolutely right and there is not a damn thing I can argue with you on that. If people didn't have balls back in the 50's then the civil rights movement would have been stale therefore I encourage you guys to do this, however, in this point in my life I really can't afford to stir up a little revolution. My life is too important for me and this Mj laws is only a discrepency for me rather than a profound affect on my lively hood.....if I want to smoke I just do it at my house and grow my own stuff. I'm saving my energy for the real fights such as more restrictions on the freedom of speech if this whole muslim thing gets worse or if this North American Union deal goes into effect. Oh and fiddy I wasn't implying that you incriminate yourself I was just saying if its apparent that you could potentially get out of it even if they searched your car then go for it....Personally the only time I would use just say no technique is if I knew that was the only way to get out of it...like if I had pounds in my car or something, but if its like an eighth its better to either hide it really well before even leaving the house or to just eat it.

[fiddyonefiddy]

yep never carry more than you can eat.
always been my rule.
heres a good scenario for ya.....
i was checking mail at an old address a couple of weeks after i had moved,it was around midnight, the house was next to an apartment complex,that was a crack den.so as i pull out i see the k-9 cop sitting there,im cool and im legal all the way around.so as i drive by he shines his mag light into my face,well that to me is a no no so i pulled into my friends property about a 100 ft away and park,because as soon as i passed him with the light he turned and started after me.hes gonna jack me up.
my buddy wasnt home and i knew it because his car wasnt there but i went to the door, and knocked, cop pulls up and yells to get my attention,of course being pisssed off about the light and generaly being an asshole ,i ignored him.each time he yelled i started knocking again.then he finally said fatboy isnt home.that was the final straw to insult my buddy so i walk over and ask"what the fuck do you want asshole?"immediately he is floored and does an uhh uhh then proceeds to tell me he could write me a ticket for not using my turnsignal,when i came out of the drive way, my response "i hope you break a finger writing it up asshole."now he really doesnt know whats up and asks me what i was doing comming out of those apartments, i said i wasnt he called me a liar and i told him he needed to get his eyes checked.then he asked why i was acting like an asshole and i told him about the light and how he pissed me off and that i wasnt some crackhead he could fuck with at his pleasure.
he hasnt had asshole recieving training heheheh and ima gonna give him some, so he goes back to the apartment questions and still calling me a liar, so i say my former address is xxxx do you know where that is,he says nope like the fuckin dickhead he is
and this lets me bereate him on not knowing his own area that hes working in for a few minutes.and i explain to him its right in front of the apartments, and the two driveways entering the street are side by side,he saw me at my mail box so he knew i wasnt coming from the apartments.finally he asks do you have a drivers id and i said yeah, well can i see it ,why do you need to see it i asked. then he goes into if you got one you dont mind me seeing it,ahhh yueah asshole i do mind give me some probable cause and you can see it,he said no turn signal ,i said ok,im clean as a church mouse,he keeps on whinnin about me being mean to him and runs my id, im on a motorcycle at the time and then some crack head walks by he knows and so he starts rousting her, now im waiting around while he is busting her,after ten minutes and noticing a storm blowing in hard i need to split so now his buddys are there helping him cart her off ,so i said hey asshole wheres my id i gotta roll the rain is comming i dont have anymore time to fuck with you. you shoulda seen those other two cops faces hehehe it was worth all the times i have gone to jail .home boy wrinkled his face and went and got my id and i cruised.
but wait theres more to the story......

a few days later the crackheads robbed the house i was at checking the mail and broke into the store room which had jet skis and motorcycles gallor in it....yep guess who shows up officer asshole....heheheheh he saw me and you could see he just slumped lol. the guys house i was banging on the door called me after he saw that cop a few days later apparently he knows my buddy pretty well, not by being arrested i can say,anyway he said that cop thought i was a fuckin looney toon....heheheheh i was. i was pissed off about the light in my eyes...

the other side............dreams side
it was 3 am im comming back from dropping a guy off and going to the grocery store as i come to the stop sign i see that the house is covered in cop cars fire trucks and this is a town of like 400 people you have to drive to the next town to get groceries
so they woke up half the town to come out to the house...
im thinkin holy shit what happened and i roll on in the driveway.
get out grabbing the groceries as i go to the door of the house,only 10 ft away and two steps into it i have a cop hounding me asking whats in the bag boy? i answered groceries. and kept walking into the house dropped the groceries on the counter and as it didnt have a back door crawled out the kitchen back window to see what was going on out in the back yard.leaving the cop standing there lol.
barney fife and his crew are all around a fire we had going in an old propane tank that was cut out and has a grill on it for the chilli cook off this guy puts on and we had some crate wood at the motor cycle shop that needed to be gotten rid of best way on a cool march night is to sit around drinkin and burn it. it cant be burnt as fire wood it was pine slats so it worked real good for a camp fire. anyway the law is that there is no fires after sunset in there city....now electrical andy is totaly waisted so he tells freewheelin that they are gonna have to move to god dammed alaska cause they cant get no peace here,of course barney fife pipes up that you can go to jail for that ,meaning cussing of course,then andy says now you can go to jail for going to goddamed alaska well thats it he looks over at curlys dog apropraitely named dog to sick em ,fife yanks himself 3 ft in the air trying to get his gun unholstered that he didnt undo the strap so he almost knocked himself down all the while the dog is lookin at andy going what is sickem? im thinkin the whole time its after midnight so there fore it isnt sunset anymore and it is now pre dawn the next day,freewheelin says whoa dont say nothing we want them to leave and leave us alone we are putting out the fire. and we did and they left. what i didnt know was the van parked about 20 ft away from the fire, had a pound of cann in it......
i was also told never roll up when the lights are a flashin a freewheelins house .... heheheh
so theres both sides and i understand both dream...
i do custom paint so i have alot of airbrushes and the hoses look like water pipe hoses being in a beater car with a paper tag in a small town doesnt help from getting pulled over and when the cop saw a hose in a clear case in my car even where you could see the airbrush in the case,still yanked me out of the car didnt ask me shit,searched my car and told me it looked like a waterpipe hose, after the fact. of course he found nadda,wasnt anything to find. i think the best point is just be cool and dont get pulled over in the first place has always been the best advice legal=invisible to those guys.
one more thing i have learned if you know the rules of the game like they do, they dont really want you to play the game.they cant railroad you,and they will try to. watch the show the first 48, most of the people incriminate themselves and never ask for counsel when they get interogated and thats in a homicide case.
dont get me wrong about cops i have some that are friends,i grew up with friends whos dads were cops, but their pricks to anyone that doesnt know them even when they arent in uniform,i know they deal with the crust of the planet but they signed up for it,they knew what they were getting into.
no reason to take it out on eveyone else for their decision. and most do.excuse my grammer and spelling please.
speedy

[OrangeWidow]

Woah guys hold the phone! I'll agree with this video on the pedestrian part and the house part but do not under any circumstances LISTEN TO THE CAR PART!!! He's right about those laws being your constitutional rights but lets step back into reality here. Everything those stoners did in the car scene is giving that officer reason to suspect something illegal is going on. Though it doesn't give him the right to search it does give him the right to do other things. For one thing he cracked his window which is an indication that he's attempting to hide the smell. Also he refused consent which is the stupidest thing anyone can do. Also he locked his car which would obviously make him suspicious. Though all these are very well in our consitutional rights doesn't mean it will really save you. By doing all of those it will certainly raise an eyebrow for the cop in which case he would then call for back up, I.E the k-9 unit. Cops are allowed to detain you for as long as he likes even if it meant all day. So after getting the k-9 unit to come by though they couldn't physically get in the car they are allowed to sniff around it which is generally enough for a dog to sniff out pot. If the dog goes nuts and starts scratching to get in thats probable cause which is enough to search your car and that would lead to your doom. Even if the k-9 unit really didn't smell pot the cops literally train the dogs to go nuts when they say phrases like "go get it boy". By training them to go nuts like that it makes the dogs believe their "toy" is in there which would cause a false read. So heres my advice...

First off if your driving around with anything illicit find a really good hiding spot like the speakers or under the dash board. Usually hiding it in really low or really high places makes it more difficult for the dogs to sniff out. The stupidest thing would be to put it in one of those shaving creame cans that screw off....cops know all about those things. The only way those things would work is if you had other things around it to associate it with like in a shaving creame kit inside a duffle bag. So you have a super good hiding spot right? If a cop pulls you over just act calm and cool. Don't fidget, don't smoke a cig, don't shift your eyes. Just look him straight in the eye using your poker face. Cops gonna ask you what to do and of course you don't admit to any wrong doing but he may or may not ask you for a search. IF HE ASKS CONSENT! The reason being is because if you don't that will raise the eyebrow. More than likely the cop is going to search through simple places like glove compartment and under searts. He more than likely won't unscrew the car just to get to it. After he does a quick search just be on your way.

This video is 100 percent true about the legality of it but not really accurate about the reality of it. The best thing to do is put yourself in the cops shoes and make it appear as if you have nothing to hide. Keeping a clean face and a safe location are good starters but there a million other things one would probably want to do as well which they failed to mention. For one thing if your carrying stuff don't speed. Even 1 mile over the speed limit is enough to get pulled over. Also under speeding is just as illegal. Best thing to do is go exactly the speed limit therefore they cannot legally pull you over. Obey all traffic rules like complete stops and turn signals and whatnot. Also don't have bumper stickers like legalize it or even ones like help the police. The best thing to do is have no bumper stickers at all. Also don't go around with a pot shirt and dredlocks...cops arn't dumb. And most importantly don't go "hotboxing" if your gonna smoke do it in your home or another safe location...use your own judgement for that. And if your only carrying pot and its only a small amount your best bet is to just simply eat it. Anyway the video had some good tips but definitely needs a reality check.

Ok you definatly should not eat the little bit of weed that you have if a cop is about to bust you... if you happends to see a small amount of green on your lips in your teeth he will most likely charge you with "destruction of evidence" and then that will get you a felony arrest with guns drawn. So be smart and stomp it under your feet instead.

[bballsk8er333]

i disagree. if youve been blazin or are blazed when stoped, just eat your shit. if you have 0 smell, act normal, and hide it in the best spot possible.

of course i mean eat it before he walks up to the car...

[smokey91]

yo, great tips. really great. im gettin my license soon so its all good to know.

that dumb mother fucker in the back just fucked over his friends. everything was rollin fine until that kid in the back bugged out.

well, i'll be on my way now as i am rolling an extremely large blunt.
1/8 of KB fellas.:rastasmoke:



Yea dat dumbass kid was shitting bricks

[Reefer Rogue]

There are two options:

Consent - 'Co-operate'

Don't consent - 'Resist'

Both options are viable in preserving your freedom, depending the precautions you take.

Iris is correct when he emphatically quotes Berry Cooper. By not consenting, this throws out a huge red flag, the radio lights up with calls of "We have a refusal' The cursury search can usually be beat if the hiding spot if good enough. The only negative, is that if he does find it, you consented, you're arrested, can't contest it in court with a motion to suppress.

It's quite satisfying not consenting in my opinion. Standing up for your rights. You don't fall prey of their mind games and their domination and power. This is the anarchist way. So, if you don't want to consent, be aware they may call a K9 unit. Therefore, wrap you cannabis while wearing gloves, do this before you leave in a new baggy, so it doesn't have time to permeate. Put it in the middle of the vehile, possible high up so the dog can't smell it. Better safe then sorry.

[melodious fellow]

yep never carry more than you can eat.
always been my rule.


Truth. :rastasmoke:

peace

[piglet420]

Then here's a question for you. I was popped at the border patrol area in the US on an obsure shortcut road I take all the time. I've passed that checkpoint all the time and they have dogs out there.

This one time I actually had a pipe and a gram of weed in a backpack in the back of my car I had completely forgotten about(shame on me right?) Unaware of any of the rights I had, I consented to the search because the dog tagged my car. I was arrested and booked but months later the case was dismissed with prejudice just because I kept dragging it out and asking to talk to the city DA. I was lucky, I admit, but if I did not consent to the search would I have been in the wrong? I mean, wasn't it probable cause that the dog targeted me?

P

[Reefer Rogue]

You don't have rights at borders.

[HiAllTheTime10]

fuck the police me and my buddie got pulled over with a half of so pretty potent skunk bud on our way back from a club one night it just so happen to be the K9 unit in which case your automaticly fucked and they took my brand new pipe i was pissed they gave my friend possession but i bailed him out the next day and we got hi as hell:pimp:

[Markass]

fuck the police me and my buddie got pulled over with a half of so pretty potent skunk bud on our way back from a club one night it just so happen to be the K9 unit in which case your automaticly fucked and they took my brand new pipe i was pissed they gave my friend possession but i bailed him out the next day and we got hi as hell:pimp:

the question that's lingering in my mind is, do they have to have probable cause to bring in the dog??

anyone?? I know there's a lot of well educated people here, at least one who can probably accurately answer that question..thanks guys :thumbsup::stoned:

[whoakevo]

what if your smoking in your car and you get pulled over can you still tell them they cant search it?

[Markass]

ok so i got stopped the other day by the cops and when they tell me to put my hands on the hood if i say i dont consent to any searches do i still have to put my hands on the hood?

Well, hopefully you wouldn't give them enough of a reason to get you out of the car...But if they did however they do have the right to pat you down to make sure you don't have any weapons or something that could be of harm to them..

If asked to step out of the vehicle I'd respond with...why officer, am I going to be detained?

I'm tired of being pushed around by cops...it stops now :stoned::thumbsup:

[BlazinINthe617]

Hell yeah mark....thats what i'm talking about...But as far as the DOG goes, i would think that the cops are going to be dick heads and say shit like that to scare you into going along with the search
or w/e but, if theres NO probable cause, any thing that happens after you say NO I DO NOT CONSENT ect... is all bullshit, and as long as you stay with in your rights and dont tell them anything about anything, you would most likely have a good chance of fighting your case, because if you can show how your rights were VIOLATED you can then show them some paper with a law suit all over it...... basically you have to play them, the way they are playing you, and remember everything that happend nd how it happend.....

[Hippiesmoke]

This is a bomb ass vid. Thanks a bunch. This is so good to know, I find it kind of funny how close you can be to getting caught but then avoid it. Knowledge of your right is very important.

:rasta::hippy::pimp::rastasmoke::smokin::jointsmil e::thumbsup:

[dejayou30]

I've read both sides of the "sticking to your rights" vs. "hiding well and allowing a search" argument and both have valid points. It really comes down to reading the cop in the situation and playing it by ear so to speak. Some interstate cops will just give you a ticket rather routinely for speeding and send you on your way because that's what they do, and I find that most local cops tend to want to be heroes and bust "criminals", AKA you and me, and will likely go through whatever hoops necessary to get into your car. The thing that sucks is that those dogs can smell through anything depending on how long its been where its at, so the best advice is to keep it in nested air tight jars if at all possible.

If you do manage to get pulled over, there are some things you can do to help your case and lessen the chance that the cop will care to search. Keep your car in good repair, make sure ALL the lights work, use your blinkers, etc. Its also a good idea to keep your car free of trash. If cops pull over a clean car, they will be able to see everything through the windows without wanting to snoop around, so unless there's a bong laying on the floorboard, he probably won't feel the need to dig around. In high school, way back before I even though about smoking weed, I had a bad ass stereo in my crappy rusted out Cavalier. My car hit around 145 dB easily so I went out to a parking lot in the industrial section on the edge of my town to tune my new head unit I had just finished installing at like 9 PM. A cop pulls up and finds me reading the instruction manual and is flashing his light around in my car looking at stuff while he's talking to me. I was wearing cut off jean shorts and a Limp Bizkit (yeah, I know) shirt and my car was full of garbage, all of which I'm sure made him more suspicious. He eventually asked to search my car like I knew he would, and of course I let the pig search my car because there was nothing in it but garbage. Afterwards, I made sure to thank him for harassing me for being a decent citizen and tuning my stereo outside city limits instead of at my house where I would have woken up a 5 block radius. He then attempted to be nice and told me good luck with my stereo. Yeah, thanks pig!

Anyways, your appearance and how you present yourself and your vehicle give a way a lot of your secrets; whether or not this is ethical is debatable, but what is not debatable is that it happens and more often than not, the cop is right. They are stereotypes for a reason, so if a cop pulls you over in your car full of garbage and you're wearing tie dye and rocking dreadlocks, chances are you are going to get treated a lot worse than an "average" person in the same clean vehicle with "normal" clothes. It sucks, but its a reality of the society we live in, so plan accordingly.

All in all, this is an awesome video, so thanks for posting it. :thumbsup:

Oh, and I don't recommend smoking in your car ever! Its kind of like how you shouldn't drink beers in the car. Save it until you get to your destination, because getting pulled over after smoking is not only a buzzkill, but it could also land you and/or your friends in jail because there's no way a cop won't smell it.

Ahhh, such a great country we live in.... :wtf:

[50centsaday]

Just when the country thought it was going to get rid of Bush and his wiretapping civil rights violations, along comes Barack Obama.

January 9, 2003 BO sponsors bill in IL Senate (SB0008) that allows taped eavesdropping in controlled substance and marijuana cases and allows those tapes to be admitted as evidence at trial.

-50centsaday.net

[Nathan604]

shit man thx

[LOC NAR on probation]

Yes, You have the right to resist arrest.

However the cops have the right to beat the crap out of you for resisting. And deny and the search and the game is on.

Only screw with the cops if you have nothing to fear.

once you piss them off they don't care if they are right or wrong. They will have you in jail or court, just to screw up or day.

USA cops have the rights to pull some NAZI ass stuff on you. Don't put it past them to plant alittle on you either. They are asshole humans and maybe had a fight with girlfriend or wife didn't give no ass last night.

My Lawyer told me that the police can lie all day long to you about anything. And they did to me. Ask to have your rights read to you and see what you get for it. Because then you can request a lawyer be present. Talk about pissed cop. Anything you say before rights are read is valunteering info to use in court.

Since what happened to me a little over a year ago. The cops suck ass and cannot be trusted for anything. If you ask me I would rather have crackheads being cops. At least you know they will stick you for a few buck for crack. Cops do it for fun. Because of the way my court deal went, I know for a fact the cops smoked my drank 12 oz's I grew cause they dropped that in court so they didn't have to bring it in court and I heard rumors. Small town.

I have been waiting for them to come ask me to grow some more for them. LOL.

[talktostrangers]

i'm pretty sure
in Utah if you're pulled over for speeding
they can search you...

[lardman]

Did anyone notice, unless Im wrong, that at around 35 minutes when the 2 officers were in the ladies house, they arrested here and walked out of the room....leaving the weed on the fucking dresser!!

That shit made me laugh. :D

[TebitEvas]

Here's another point of interest not stated. HAVE YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE ALWAYS. Although you may not think it, cops in most states have the right to arrest you On The Spot for not having a license. I mean immediately step out of the car, no questions, handcuffed, your car is then searched, whether or not you consent. If they find a pipe, they'll call it warm whether or not it was and you bet your Ass your going to jail for a DUI, no field sobriety tests or anything. Simple as that, they do what they want and make up reasons for it. Also, NEVER ADMIT TO ANYTHING, you may think it will just piss the cop off, and if you admit yeah man I was tokin he may just let you off, HA! They have microphones for a reason, assume the cop is Not going to cut you a break. Like the adam and whatshisface video linked, assume the cops cannot relate at all to being human. If your car smells and you have to crack the window and the cop asks you why... well your windows broken. He wont figure out that its not if you have your license, dont consent, play it cool. I disagree with the cigarette part, light that sunabitch as soon as he pulls behind you. You can say your a chain smoker, it may keep him from smelling the stuff in the first place, and if he smells something it will give you a point to argue in court. No sir your honor, not pot, just clove cigarettes.

[veggii]

If people didn't have balls back in the 50's then the civil rights movement would have been stale therefore I encourage you guys to do this, however, in this point in my life I really can't afford to stir up a little revolution. My life is too important for me and this Mj laws is only a discrepency for me rather than a profound affect on my lively hood.....if I want to smoke I just do it at my house and grow my own stuff. I'm saving my energy for the real fights such as more restrictions on the freedom of speech if this whole muslim thing gets worse or if this North American Union deal goes into effect.
This is MMj's problem most ppl have the same attitude they all
just wanna grow it,smoke it; but not stand up and fight for it!!
If everyone who smoke's cannibis would get out of there closet's
and stand up !!Fight!!and tell the U.S government to make it legal!!
anybody have a estimate of the number of patients in the U.S.A
millions:wtf:

[Spagett]

The biggest problem people have is their defensive from the start with cops. If you treat them with respect, straight forward answers and look them right them in the eye, let them know you know they have authority, they will generally let you go. I got pulled over in the middle of a deal, I had an ounce under the seat; cop comes up, ask what I'm doing, I said just driving around, than asks if I have been smoking any dope. Said no once again with a giggle to make it seem like absolutley not, and he let me go.

[netdog]

I'm a pretty old fart now, smoked for 35 years, and have learned a few things.

You don't challenge a cops authority unless your ready for some pain and a long hard fight. He's able to do about anything he wants, and all you can do is hope to make it up later, with lawyers and a lot of expense.

Best is to keep your shit together. Current pates, current inspection, insurance, ALL your lights working etc.

It's well known cops expect and look for drugs etc. from someone who drives with expired shit and non working lights etc. If ya don't believe me ask one some time.

Keep cool with the cops, keep the attitude he's just doing his job and know it's always easier for him to let you go than to bust you, and most cops are looking for a reason to let you go if you give it to them, not all but most.

Act the fool, buck up and get in their face, and it turns into looking for a reason to bust you down every time.

I've been caught with an oz of pot several times, never been busted yet. Was caught with a dozen small plants, no bust. The cops either dumped it out or took it, and let me go on my way. I've also seen guys take beatings Rodney King never even dreamed about and everything in between.

I was let go because I always show respect, let em know I know they have the authority, and they are just doing their job, and I'm a decent guy that doesn't need to be taught a lesson.

They WILL get a dog to search your car if ya don't let them most of the time, they will bust you if they have to do that.

Or just don't carry more than you can swallow.. :)

[Markass]

I'm a pretty old fart now, smoked for 35 years, and have learned a few things.

You don't challenge a cops authority unless your ready for some pain and a long hard fight. He's able to do about anything he wants, and all you can do is hope to make it up later, with lawyers and a lot of expense.

Best is to keep your shit together. Current pates, current inspection, insurance, ALL your lights working etc.

It's well known cops expect and look for drugs etc. from someone who drives with expired shit and non working lights etc. If ya don't believe me ask one some time.

Keep cool with the cops, keep the attitude he's just doing his job and know it's always easier for him to let you go than to bust you, and most cops are looking for a reason to let you go if you give it to them, not all but most.

Act the fool, buck up and get in their face, and it turns into looking for a reason to bust you down every time.

I've been caught with an oz of pot several times, never been busted yet. Was caught with a dozen small plants, no bust. The cops either dumped it out or took it, and let me go on my way. I've also seen guys take beatings Rodney King never even dreamed about and everything in between.

I was let go because I always show respect, let em know I know they have the authority, and they are just doing their job, and I'm a decent guy that doesn't need to be taught a lesson.

They WILL get a dog to search your car if ya don't let them most of the time, they will bust you if they have to do that.

Or just don't carry more than you can swallow.. :)

glad to know you don't care that you have rights :thumbsup: Unfortunately, I have many more years ahead of me, and I'll be damned if I'm going to allow them to step all over my rights, sure we live in a police state, but they're not going to do anything they want to me just because they 'can.' they damn sure will get a fight from me, I'm fully aware of my rights and I will enjoy asserting them. I'm not afraid of their badge, unlike you.

[GreenLeaf420]

If your shit smells thats probable cause. If there is no odor and driver "appears" ok capsule of vehicle is easier for them to search. Cases get droped with dog hits. My friend just beat one. We watched the search on DVD from the police car. The dog hit smells on his trunk but the search took to long they were fishing for a bust. Case thrown out $16,000 was voucherd and he had to call the cop on a Friday to P/U the $$$. Which he did Friday afternoon same COP blew his fucking brains out in the precent. The evidence room and Vocher room had to be gone through the COP was taking the shit. When he called for the $$$ the Cop knew he was caught so he killed himself..:thumbsup:

[netdog]

glad to know you don't care that you have rights :thumbsup: Unfortunately, I have many more years ahead of me, and I'll be damned if I'm going to allow them to step all over my rights, sure we live in a police state, but they're not going to do anything they want to me just because they 'can.' they damn sure will get a fight from me, I'm fully aware of my rights and I will enjoy asserting them. I'm not afraid of their badge, unlike you.

Yes they will do what they want because they can.. Go ask Rodney King about that... Some are just looking for you to give them an excuse, but not most.

I care that I have rights, but I don't have the right to carry weed, and the cop has rights too, to haul me in to jail if I am carrying, to search me and my car if has probable cause, and to beat me down if I resist. Those are his rights.

Carrying weed makes me a criminal. I don't have a lot of rights in that situation.

Keep that car clean, up to date and all the lights working, and if cops gets ya anyway be friendly and respectful and play the game... It works our better.

Now if I'm NOT carrying, than it's a different matter, but bucking up to cop instead of treating them like anyone else doing their job is just stupid. They don't mess with you unless your doing something stupid in the first place, and bucking up just makes it worse.

[pass_the_dubbie]

Don't freak out, dont bitch, exploit the situation if you can, dont if you cant, keep a clear mind and try to understand the situation.

I didn't actually watch the video as it doesnt seem to work for me, watched the adam and joe one posted later though. I've spent ages sitting reading every post in this thread and the information and views given here are amazing.
I don't drive so I don't have much to add here and only ever have had a few encounters with the law. None of these are weed related but hopefully something can be learnt.

Driving Encounter
Police were at the edge of a small town, it was at night. My friend was driving with no seatbelt on. My friend refused to pullover, said something like his doctor told him not to wear the seatbelt, refused everything. So my friend said if he wasnt under arrest was he was free to go and basically drove off. Im pretty sure there was a no seatbelt related court case as he refused the on the spot fine. The cop was absoultely dumb struck by the way my friend acted and really didnt know what to say...oh...by the way my friend used to be a cop but now he has settled firmly on the wrong side of the law.

Through the eye of a pig
Heres some piggy stories just to let you know how the law operates around here...at least used to.
Piggy has told me many stories of how he has had to stand by and watch fellow officers beating the shit out of people. From what I gather the cops would either take you back to the station and fuck you up or do it out of the publics view.
But sure the superior officers would do something? Yeah it would usually be them deliverin the beatin.

*note to self - ask about cop stories to do with weed*

Right ive said enough, as usual im vastly goin off topic, "the vid was great and very useful, ill fuck with all the pigs now, thanks"

Hopefully you guys and ladys can take something from this post, please do..ive spent way too long in this thread

ps : ramble on about human rights all you want, but weigh up everything in the situation, dont rely on one thing to carry your ass through
+
roll with the punches!!

[bombdiggity]

Its never a good idea to go fuck with cops.

stay under the radar

[jamesia]

Just when the country thought it was going to get rid of Bush and his wiretapping civil rights violations, along comes Barack Obama.

January 9, 2003 BO sponsors bill in IL Senate (SB0008) that allows taped eavesdropping in controlled substance and marijuana cases and allows those tapes to be admitted as evidence at trial.

-50centsaday.net

I think you're reading it wrong. If I were arrested for pot, I'd want the conversations I'd have with police to be taped. I can think of few things scarier than me being in court with only my word vs policemens' word... and you know there'd be more than one policemen against you.

Obama supports cannabis decriminalization, but now that he's taking down Hillarytron and has a chance of winning he's toned it down and actively supports medical cannabis alone. None of the candidates that might actually get elected will be better than that. And frankly, even acceptance of medical cannabis is a shit ton better than what we've got now. Baby steps is the way to win.

I know he's not Ron Paul, but RP didn't have a chance of being elected. Just saying the truth we all know... for whatever reason, it wasn't gonna happen, now or ever. Realistically speaking, Obama's the next best choice.

I'm a chemical engineer. I can say that if you wrap pot in plenty of zip lock bags, the mass diffusion rate of pot through the bags will be too low for anyone to smell it. You might want to consider putting wrapped pot inside a bag full of water or something, and maybe freezing it too... never tried that though, but I'm pretty sure it'll work. Chemistry is fun!

The better choice here would be to leave it at home, or take a tiny bit you can swallow... like other people said. I really liked the video though, but I doubt a cop will take kindly to anyone asserting their rights. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc)

[Markass]

Yes they will do what they want because they can.. Go ask Rodney King about that... Some are just looking for you to give them an excuse, but not most.

I care that I have rights, but I don't have the right to carry weed, and the cop has rights too, to haul me in to jail if I am carrying, to search me and my car if has probable cause, and to beat me down if I resist. Those are his rights.

Carrying weed makes me a criminal. I don't have a lot of rights in that situation.

Keep that car clean, up to date and all the lights working, and if cops gets ya anyway be friendly and respectful and play the game... It works our better.

Now if I'm NOT carrying, than it's a different matter, but bucking up to cop instead of treating them like anyone else doing their job is just stupid. They don't mess with you unless your doing something stupid in the first place, and bucking up just makes it worse.

Saying you don't want to be searched doesn't give them just cause to search you...

and lol@ saying you would not like to be searched without probable cause is bucking up to a cop:wtf:...no wonder pot's still fucking illegal in this country...I'd rather respect the forefathers of my country by respecting their willingness to give us protection.

you're not a criminal by wanting to assert your rights by any means whatsoever. I will NEVER IN MY LIFE consent to a search without probable cause(so long as I'm in America and protected by the bill of rights)

Fuck that shit. Just because we're only free to do what they tells us we're free to do doesn't mean that the constitution doesn't mean shit. It's innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven innocent...WAY WAY too many of you have that ass backwards.

And for the record again, asserting your rights does not give them probable cause either. You may think it does for some reason, but it doesn't.

The reason we live in a police state is because of people like you who give the cops the right. I don't care if I have pot or not, but if I do have pot that gives me that much more of a reason to assert my rights. Why? Because I've been to jail, and it was because I was unaware and he told me that if I honest he could make it easier on me, boy was that a fucking lie. Six months probation and some fines later...I'd rather make it clear he doesn't have probable cause then once I go to court it will be made clear he violated my rights, if he chooses to do so.

[netdog]

Saying you don't want to be searched doesn't give them just cause to search you...

Of course it doesn't. An he might even just let you drive off.

But all he has to do is say he smelled pot, he's got probable cause.

Or call out a K-9 unit, have it alert on command on the door, probable cause.

It may not be right, but a cop can get around your rights pretty easily if he wants to, and it'll probably hold up in court later. It's just wiser IMO not to give him reason to want to stop you in the first place, or reason to take you down if he does stop you.

To each his own man, just relating how I've gotten by 35 years without a bust, even getting caught red handed a few times. Do as ya will bro and good luck to ya. I've said all I'm gonna..

[phatsesh101]

i have friends and family that are in law enforcement and we often discuss this while i smoke and they drink and take an occasional toke what that guy did was a good thing keeping windows up locking door then whays found cant be submitted in court cause of illegal s&s. get a real lawyer not a public pretender remember he gets paiid by the people who arrested you so it in his best interest for you to go to jail so they will have the money to pay him.

[Whereswaldo]

i was just busted yesterday for possesion.
im now kicked off my highschool soccer team =[

[Everyday Struggle]

I just got this video yesderday!
I already learned a few things ;)

[jamesia]

i was just busted yesterday for possesion.
im now kicked off my highschool soccer team =[

Yikes. No government grants/scholarships for you to go to college!

[IanCurtisWishlist]

Yeah one time on a friday night I had just smoked a fat bowl in my car and then proceeded to drive home. i got caught up at a DUI checkpoint a few minutes later. so i'm like "oh fuck" the whole time, nervous as hell, rolling down my window to let it air out for 5 minutes or so...and when it's my turn to be questioned the officer noticed the smell of weed. he made me pull into a parking lot where officers searched my car briefly. he asked me if i had smoked any weed , i said YES, on my lunch break at work 6 hours ago ( a blatant lie--more like 20 minutes ago). He gave me a field sobriety test and I passed it . he told me i am "impaired but not intoxicated", whatever that means. I was really polite to that cop and he told me that if i hit someone and kill them i'd be charged with manslaughter and DUI--then the surprise. He said, "it's on you". and he let me go, to drive away in my car-- impaired, but not intoxicated.

I was so surprised and relieved because I had weed in my car which they did not find, a pipe in there that they did not find.... but the simple idea that he was a reasonable man made me feel like not every single police officer is a fucking Nazi.

Or maybe he felt sorry for me. Or maybe he was just too lazy to write me a ticket and arrest me.


EDIT: this is the 666th post for me. bwahahahaha

[headydankness]

well me and my friends got pulled over yesterday...

he pulled the driver out of the car, not sure exactly what they talked about, and he allowed the car to be searched. god, well he ended up finding a bong, a bottle of jack daniels and a bag (like half an eighth) O yeah and i feel o so stupid, the officer told us to hold still as he talked to the driver, and they were gone for like 5 min, and i could have pretty easily reached down and grabbed my jacket which contained like 1/5 gram of keif left. but i didn't and he ended up finding it, god i feel sooo stupid i didn't do anything, all i had to do was put it in my shoe and i didn't i just locked up and sat there:(

now im just hoping i can learn from this and use different strategies for my advantage, and have the guts to not consent to a search.

[tomm01]

I've been to jail, and it was because I was unaware and he told me that if I honest he could make it easier on me, boy was that a fucking lie.

Haven't fallen for that since grade two when the teacher told me if I admitted to stealing this kids 'tazo' she would make this go a lot more easy. I guess by 'easy' they mean, 'won't have to argue for half an hour'.

Anyway, to people saying that you should just be nice and polite etc. I would only do this if the cop is nice in the first place. Mainly because if you are just looking to get yourself off the hook, you are ONLY getting yourself off. There's still millions more people just like you who need to get let off, and by protecting your rights you are fighting for them as well. And also for yourself when you get pulled over again.

Think about it, if everyone just covered their own asses and cowered in fear of the almighty popo, do you think politicians would ever even think about legalising weed? No, because nobody would even put forward the idea.

Got pulled over by this cop with my friend driving. It was the night before the last day of year 12. We were going to fuck up the school. This cop pulls us over even though there were like 2-3 other cars of people who had already fucked the school up and were now bailing. This guy is a total asshole! Comes up and says "what the fuck are you doin round here?"
"Just driving mate"
"Where you going to?"
"home"
"Why are you out here?"
"we just went to get some coke(drink lol)"
"Stop being fucken smartasses and tell me what the fuck you are doing"

He clearly wanted us to admit we were trashing the school. so I chimed in with

"nothing, we got some drink and we're going home, now we're not doing anything wrong! and stop swearing at us" haha

"Can you breathe into this" lol I know I got him off that topic now and he just wants to bust us for something so my friend breathes into the breathalyser thing, dunno if you have em in america, just tests your blood alcohol content.

He takes our names and lets us go.

By the way we had spray cans and rotten eggs and all heaps of shit but when they flashed their lights all we did was slow down, turn down the next street while subtly pushing the bags of stuff under our seats, then pull over. It also takes them a while to get out of the car most times. And it did this time so we had an opportunity to get it all hidden. They put their headlights on full beam so you have to kinda not move your body and just put your arm close to the side of the seat or wherever your hiding your shit.

Anyway that probably made no sense but I just wanted to share some thoughts. Give a bit of advice etc. This is a good thread keep it alive.

[tribute to me]

well your correct, if you have the balls to assert your rights then thats great, more power to you. But if you want to avoid getting arrested then its ill advised. Judges are supposed to be non biased in their opinions but the reality of it is EVERYONE is biased in their opinions whether they try to or not. Most judges will look at the case and side more with the cop rather than the constitution unfortunately because the fact is most people who are up there in the legal system are against pot. Its possible to win that case but it would be incredibly difficult to do it....I mean you'd have to have a lawyer like OJ's to win something like that. If your not afraid to get a criminal record then it would be important to stand up to it but like a lot of good citizens in this World we have a hell of a lot to live for than loseing some of those rights. I would only fight for something if it heavily violated my freedoms. For instance, if I called the cops because someone stole my money and the cops beat the shit out of me because I bothered them, then I would go up in a riot and most certainly risk my own freedom and life for it but risking your life for this is like risking your life when someone stole 30 dollars from you. Its better to just be submissive about it.




wise words

[wheresmylighternow]

I know its for training purposes, but FUCK this shit pisses me off.. I cant stand even to watch the BULLSHIT those fuckers pull..

great movie thanks for the thread:thumbsup:

[veggii]

thz markass for this video everyone needs to watch this.

:hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy:
veggii .....gives a 5 hippy rating !!

[Gynecologist]

Watched it 3 times, to get it in my head. :] It's an amazing video, and thanks for stickying it.

[flyingimam]

Kudos to

creator of video
OP
and the guy who sticky'd it :P

i for one, drive far far better when im dirty or intox and try to follow all rules i know... that gives u the best layer of protection: Don't do shit to have a cop on your ass! drive @ speed limits, lower music in neighborhoods or vacant/silent streets, have your lights/stickers and tires checked routinely, if u feel u r swerving out of control just pull over, find something to eat and that will just kill the high instantly! then get on

[flyingimam]

I was so surprised and relieved because I had weed in my car which they did not find, a pipe in there that they did not find.... but the simple idea that he was a reasonable man made me feel like not every single police officer is a fucking Nazi.

Or maybe he felt sorry for me. Or maybe he was just too lazy to write me a ticket and arrest me.


the first cop ever to pull me over was one of these non-nazi guys hahaha I felt so good about the encounter i had since he said "boy, I can smell the alcohol from your mouth" and i wasn't even 21 plus i was driving @ 4 am and 5 miles or so over speed limit... i ended up passing the soberity test, and nothing on me with a clean record, so he came to my car and told me i can go... was lucky he didnt force me on a breathalyzer cuz i didnt know at the time i can say no to that as well!!


to me after buncha google searches, it means that he knows u have smoked/drank something and thus u r under its effect, but since u passed the soberity test and they "searched and found nothing" it was perhaps no good use of his time and systems time to process u when they aint got anything legally against u


i think this will explain it better: there is a legal limit for alcohol in system and driving... however if u are below the legal limit, u will be considered impaired but not fully intoxicated
further reading Impaired Driving - Why You Should Never Drink and Drive (http://alcoholism.about.com/od/dui/a/impaired.htm)

[budnuggets3]

good stuff here! if not on here already, "ask ed mj law-dont get busted" great book, highly recommend it, stuff we all know, but its good to go over every once in awhile! my tip----never admit to anything!, a good lawyer can help you GREATLY! if busted and you don't have money, don't be afraid call a few lawyers and see if they can work with you, example; i know of a similar situation where a guy got some great help from a 'good honest one lol' in exchange for landscaping!

[shdwops]

being aware of your rights is important, but what you must also be aware of is the fact that a police officer can arrest you for a whole number of things perfectly legally. In my profession as an EMT, i have had patients who NEEDED to go to the hospital but refused where a normal patient would. to give you an idea it was something along the lines of "you understand that leaving your medical condition untreated or unchecked could have severe consequences including death" in other words it was clear that he will die if he didnt go to the hospital. a police officer had arrested the man under 51-50 stating that if he agreed to the fact that he will die, he is mentally unstable and a danger to him/herself and was arrested and taken to the hospital. police have much more legal authority than most people realize. and what that officer did was perfectly legal.in the same way you can be arrested for trying to commit suicide, you can be arrested to agreeing that you will die if you dont go to the hospital because its suicide.

[shdwops]

I think you're reading it wrong. If I were arrested for pot, I'd want the conversations I'd have with police to be taped. I can think of few things scarier than me being in court with only my word vs policemens' word... and you know there'd be more than one policemen against you.

Obama supports cannabis decriminalization, but now that he's taking down Hillarytron and has a chance of winning he's toned it down and actively supports medical cannabis alone. None of the candidates that might actually get elected will be better than that. And frankly, even acceptance of medical cannabis is a shit ton better than what we've got now. Baby steps is the way to win.

I know he's not Ron Paul, but RP didn't have a chance of being elected. Just saying the truth we all know... for whatever reason, it wasn't gonna happen, now or ever. Realistically speaking, Obama's the next best choice.

I'm a chemical engineer. I can say that if you wrap pot in plenty of zip lock bags, the mass diffusion rate of pot through the bags will be too low for anyone to smell it. You might want to consider putting wrapped pot inside a bag full of water or something, and maybe freezing it too... never tried that though, but I'm pretty sure it'll work. Chemistry is fun!

The better choice here would be to leave it at home, or take a tiny bit you can swallow... like other people said. I really liked the video though, but I doubt a cop will take kindly to anyone asserting their rights. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMaMYL_shxc)
what you can also do is vacuum seal you marijuana. i've done this and can vouch that it DOES work. I had recently gone on a 12 hour flight (ugh..) and i took 2 MMJ edibles with me. i had vacuum sealed them and put them in my carryon with a couple of chips and other snacks for the flight. it didnt set off any alarms for the woman behind the xray or the drug dogs because it looked like snacks for the flight to the woman and the dog couldnt smell them through the vacuum seal. i dont know about how good those ziploc vacuum bags are but i used a vacuum sealing machine from where i used to work.

[yepitsme]

Beat them like this, say no to consent dont move around fast, and use a good odor elimination spray to get rid of the smell.....:thumbsup:

I use bioextreme, it is the fuking best stuff ever to get rid of the smell. I even beat the dog's nose with it. It is supposed to be used for hunting but it is the best damn stuff I have ever used, dont smell like nothing so no suspicions on strong odor or cover odor and it gets rid of the smell instantly for good.

Use it at home to, hell I even use it on the kids football and soccer gear google it they have a web site I buy it from its cheap and damn well worth it.:rasta:

[zenneson]

Tips to Smoke Weed and stay
(http://ganjawise.com/?p=126)

Important tips put together nicely.

[Islandborn]

Im sorry....anyone driving around smoking weed in states where its illegal is an idiot.....like HEY!!!!! Take me to jail please!!! Get the bud......hide it in trunk and take it home. If not....dont be mad when ur sitting in jail or doing the cycle with probation.

[Micsog]

i have a problem in my town they now know that i can reverse the pit maneuver
and i never stop for cops until i'm in front of my lawyers house it's like three blocks from my door and i'll drive all they way there had them in two slow speed chases in previous years while calling my lawyer telling him i'm stopping by in a minute or two the reason for this is we had people getting robbed and girls rapped by a police impersonator during this time and my lawyer said i was advised not to stop unless i felt safe

to reverse the pit maneuver: gently tap brakes and steer into the side the other car is approaching from they will spin out instead of you!

don't believe me go try it works like a charm

cops are absent mined morons when they get power hungry narc task force left their big black mag lite at my buddies after a raid where they found
nothing we turned it into a BONG

[leadmagnet]

cops are absent mined morons when they get power hungry narc task force left their big black mag lite at my buddies after a raid where they found
nothing we turned it into a BONG

I wouldn't underestimate the police if I were you. No offense but you don't strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed. I know some really smart people who got into law enforcement. Problem is they generally don't stay for too long, lol. It can be exciting and fun work but rather low pay for the risk when you think about it. Plus, busting stoners is just a drag in my book.

[inveni0]

There's a lot of discussion around where the focus seems to be masking the odor of MJ in order to thwart a dog's sense of smell. I don't really believe in this as the most effective means of transportation. Why? Well, I've never seen anyone involved in a regular traffic stop with a K9 unit.

I think the real key to 'getting away' is prevention of probable cause. If there's no cause to search your vehicle, there will be no cause for calling in a K9 unit.

Here's a method that might work well. It's only been used in the transportation of Salvia from one state (where it's legal) to another state (where it's legal) when the states in between may frown at possession. Perhaps this would work for MJ, too.

STEP 1
Take only as much MJ with you as you can fit in a small film canister (the little black ones). You can probably have 3-4 canisters before looking like a freak.

STEP 2
Wrap the weed VERY WELL in plastic. You may wish to completely seal it with duct tape or something. Whatever you do, you should make sure that it easily fits in the film container. Make sure that it is not packed tight within the container.

STEP 3
Pack the weed tight in the container using Baking Soda. Why baking soda? Not only does it absorb odor, but it also acts as a pretty decent insulator--which you'll need soon. Place your film canisters to the side with caps on.

STEP 4
Now, you'll need candles. These candles should be brand new. It is VERY important that they have never been lit. I recommend buying new candles specifically for this step. Keep the receipt and bag. You should use candles no smaller than 14.5oz. You will need one candle for each film canister. Make sure the candle is OPAQUE. It should also have a VERY strong and unpleasant odor. Actually, if you can find a hemp candle or something, that would be even better.

STEP 5
Place a candle on a candle warmer. The candle warmer will melt the wax without disturbing its "like new" look. This process can take a while. Make sure you plan ahead. Rushing this step can be detrimental to your efforts.

IMPORTANT: Only heat the candle using a candle warmer. Attempting to heat the candle faster using a stove can damage the candle and ruin its appearance. It is important that the candle look like a new purchase.

STEP 6
Once the candle is completely melted through, gently slide the film canister into the center of the candle. It should be easy to suspend it directly in the center of the jar. Be very careful not to disturb the wax. If it looks unnatural, you've just created probable cause, and that's what you're trying to avoid. If the wax is too hot to suspend the canister, you should unplug the warmer and let the wax stiffen a bit. Suspend the container and let the wax naturally cover the canister. (You may have to heat it up again.) Once the canister is in place, remove the candle from the warmer and let the wax harden. Don't worry about the heat on the weed. The canister and baking soda will protect it from any loss of potency. The melted wax also releases a lot of odor, helping to mask any scent escaping the container.

STEP 7
Repeat this process for each film canister. When all of the candles are rehardened, you should inspect them for signs of use. If they still appear brand new (and you can not see the canister within), place them in the original shopping bag with receipt. Staple the bag closed. Store the bag in the trunk of your car. It is important that this bag be out of sight. Beneath the seats of your car is NO GOOD. The more barriers between the candles and the cops is better.

CONCLUSION
You've successfully masked the presence of your weed. If you are stopped, and the police decide to search your vehicle for any reason, they will never detect probable cause for destroying your personal property in order to find the drugs.

If a K9 has alerted the cops to your candles, hope that you used Hemp scented candles. Candles that smell like drugs should reasonably support a false alert, and the cops will have no probable cause to destroy your personal property.

No matter what happens, probable cause is the key. Never consent to a search. Even as they frisk you or search your car, don't be afraid to continually speak out that you invoke and refuse to waive your 4th and 6th Amendment rights. NEVER answer questions. EVER.

Most importantly, NEVER travel with a smoking device. When cops find a smoking device, whether in plain sight or on your person, they immediately have probable cause to search your vehicle. Buy a pipe once you reach your destination, and only after removing the weed from your vehicle and storing it on your private property. NEVER travel with a pipe AND weed. That's just stupid.

There's another trick I have, but it's best used for Salvia because dogs aren't trained to find Salvia. So I won't mention it here.

Peace!

[inveni0]

the question that's lingering in my mind is, do they have to have probable cause to bring in the dog??

anyone?? I know there's a lot of well educated people here, at least one who can probably accurately answer that question..thanks guys :thumbsup::stoned:

Yes, they can bring in a dog. I used to think that bringing in a dog could be argued as invasion of privacy, but the truth is that the dog isn't smelling odors INSIDE your car, it's smelling odors AROUND your car. When they smell it around your car, they can argue probable cause to open your car. Once open, it's all over.

[DobbieDoo]

First off, great video. Second, I'd like to add my little encounters to the record.
While pulling out of a driveway I cut off a police officer, who then turns on his lights and pulled me over. I had in my car three friends and about half an oz of niceness. I told my friends to stay in the car and offer no comments, I even told them I wouldn't drive them anywhere if they didn't listen to me.
The police were slow to get out of the car, so I grabbed my license/reg/insur. (held together in a handy paperclip) and stepped out to meet them. They ordered me to get back in my car. I instead asked them why i was being stopped. They made mention of wreckless driving, and asked who was in the car. I told them the names of the poeple in the car, and they asked some more 'exploratory' questions, whare was i going?, why was i in a hurry?,ect. I didn't answer those questions, I simply asked if they were going to give me a ticket. They didn't answer, and instead asked more questions. Can they search the car? I said 'nope'. They asked 'why you got a dead body in there'. I said 'nope just got done reading book on the constitution, wanna to see if I really did have the right to refuse a search'
It wasn't long after that ,that they allowed me to leave, without even a ticket.
I have been stopped a number of times, sometimes by the same officers. I find that once you assert your rights, you get a sort of reputation among them. In a later stop after refuseing to allow a search the second officer actually preempted my answer by saying to the first officer, 'he one of those constitutionalists', It became old hat and not suspicious at all for me to refuse to allow a search. tens years later and perhaps a dozens stops. Most officers know me and don't even ask anymore. On top of that they are extremely cautious about how they proceed.
Recently we had a party, and the police arrived. I went to the curb to meet the officers, when they found out it was me, and saw that the front door had closed behind me, they didn't even bother getting out of the car. just said 'keep it down, and keep it safe' and left.
Some officers are constantly trying to 'catch you' if you become known as a 'smart guy' or 'constitutionalist' but hey, they're the same officers that would try and catch you if you weren't.
I must say After my party I've been invited to many more, and elected to speak on behalf of the home-owner too. to date no officer has dragged away any member of our parties, regardless of the party favors.
simply replace the words the officers usually says to you with these words and you'll be fine
Officer 'I need you to help me' = 'Your rights prevents me from investigating you unless you wave them.'
Officer 'Just wanna look to see you don't have (insert)' =' If I find anything I can charge you with , your going to jail'
Officer 'Can I check to see everyone is alright' = 'I wanna see if I can find something to charge you with, or use as leverage to get you to wave your rights'
Don't reason with an officer, they will often try to get you to 'explain' on the premise that if its a good explanation they might let you go. The only time they let you go is if they don't have enough evidence, not when they have plenty.
There are a few cases where an officer might let you slide, but ask youself this are you willing to bet 1 yr,5yr,10yrs of your life on it?
:cool:

[CovertCarpenter]

...for some more good info on how not to get busted, google Barry Cooper / Kopbusters, and be prepared to be educated by someone who was previously on the front lines doing his level best to bust yo' ass, but has had a conversion and has seen the light..!

[zmcg]

Yea my friend refused a search without probable cause so the police tazed him. and then they told thim that they would set his car on fire if he didn't cooperate with them..