Bubble Bags vs. Silk Screen for hash

[DurbanStone]

What's your opinion?

[stinkyattic]

It's the year 2007 and the cool kids use bubble bags... you want to be a cool kid too, don't you.

[DurbanStone]

I am not a kid, so no. Does anyone have an actual agrument why one is better than the other?

[Zcomp]

I like the ease of the silk screen. I couldn't find bubble bags around here anyway. I'd have to order offline and then get it delivered. Being cool isn't my concern, getting caught is.
Of course, if I were to make hash on a larger scale, I would probably look into the bags for constructive reasons.

[DurbanStone]

That's what I was thinking. Did you make your own frame for your silk screen?
I would only be using trim off an lbs every few months or so.

[stinkyattic]

Okay, then for practical reasons.
Bubble bags rock for ease of use and efficient trich recovery off the plant material. You can process a good amount of trim relatively quickly.
If you still have silk screens, go ahead and use them, but when they wear out, do yourself a favor and get a set of bags.

[Zcomp]

I ground up my trim into an appropriate size plastic cup(not disposable cups), then wrap the silk screen over the rim, secure it, then tip it upside down and shake(side to side not like a salt shaker) into a 3" deep non-stick 13"*9" pan(one with no blemishes).

I will get the bags when I want the highest quality for sure stinky. I would rather have the bags believe me. Just that I don't have convenient access yet. When I do, you can expect my rantings on this board to become a little more obscure. :stoned:

[stinkyattic]

When I do, you can expect my rantings on this board to become a little more obscure. :stoned:
Yes... I'll know you got into that 25u shit... hahahahaha!!!

[Zcomp]

Its cool stinky, I'm jealous of you, you clearly already have had the 25u.
But then I just started smoking my own hash so I'm still very content with what I got. I can't stop examining it under my 100* micro.

[DurbanStone]

Why do bubble bags have 10 bags, why not just 3?

[BongLoser]

@ Durban : For different qualities of hash or from a marketing perspective, more money, more replacements they have to buy then... well... you get the idea?

I personally use a silk screen because I find it easier for the small amount I make but if I was processing on a larger scale (ozs at a time) I would invest in bubble bags.

[Opie Yutts]

I thought bubble bags were basically made with silkscreen-type material. I was planning tentatively on making some bubble bags with silkscreen material. Now I am uncertain. Can this be done? Or do I need to look for a special bubble bag material?

Durban, some bubble bag sets have 3, some 5, some 7, some 10. Bigger numbers help to get all the trichomes. Of course for each number you will have that many different grades of hash.

[rhizome]

OP= looked into fabbing up bags instead of buying- was going to cost more than the bags, by the time I had somebody do the sewing...

Sewing silk screen so that it won't tear is a bitch- 5 g of water is heavy...

We should chat off-board, but I can't rep you w/ an e-mail addy until I " spread some reputation around" - I have further input, on the dl.

[DurbanStone]

So the bubble bags come in a 3 set? I don't see the need for more than that, who wants 8 grades of hash? Two seem fine for me...

[Zcomp]

8 Grades is easy to deal with, 3 top grades for me and 5 bottom grades for everyone else.

[Opie Yutts]

Did you guys check out this one too?

http://boards.cannabis.com/recreational/139787-nice-detailed-buble-hash-guide-pictures.html

[Opie Yutts]

rhizome, thank you very much for the interest. I repped you with my email address.

[DurbanStone]

Thanks for the link.

Weird, it shows 8 bags, but describes 7...where the heck is the middle black!?
Bah, forget what I wrote.

It looks like it would be hard to decide what to get.

[Hennessy1414]

if you were to get a simple silk screen how fine should the screen microns be? or how big should the screen holes be?:rastasmoke:

[stinkyattic]

if you were to get a simple silk screen how fine should the screen microns be? or how big should the screen holes be?
Small enough to keep muskee-doos out.

[Zcomp]

I've used pantyhose.

[Opie Yutts]

if you were to get a simple silk screen how fine should the screen microns be? or how big should the screen holes be?:rastasmoke:

If I remember correctly it was around 90, 110, and 130 micron. Anyone? Is that about right?

[Opie Yutts]

Well I was in the ball park, maybe I was thinking of kief screens.

8 Bags for the utmost in quality and versatility.
This kit includes the following bags: 25 micron; 45 micron; 73 micron; 90 micron, 120 micron; 160 micron; 190 micron; and 220 micron; plus a pressing screen and storage pouch.

and the 4 bag kit:
This kit contains the following four bags:

220 micron Work Bag: This bag is used to mix the plant material with water and ice

160 micron Contaminant Removal Bag: This bag will remove small bits of leaf matter, dust and other contamination from your Bubble. The material captured in this screen can be used for cooking.

73 micron Crystal Catching Bag: Your best herbal extract will be found in this bag. If your plant matter is of a very high quality, you might even get Full Melt Bubble in this bag.

25 micron Crystal Catching Bag: For strains with smaller crystals, this bag is the one. This is the smallest pore size on the market and will make sure that absolutely no crystals escape.

Now if that don't answer your question I don't know what will.

[Opie Yutts]

I've used pantyhose.

And what micron were they? Ha.

[fosomker]

Yes the good bags are 25 -220 microns and you can get silk screens that are 305 lines an inch, but I am not sure how many microns that is because I am not sure how big the lines are. If the lines are as big as the gaps they would still be .0016 or 1600 microns.

I know that I have made poor mans keif with just a blender and a gold reusable coffee filter, and hell it got me pretty high. I plan on making some pills with it so it does matter to me if it is graded keif.

I was looking to get one of these and try it for only $25.
Aluminum 20x24" 305 Yellow Mesh (http://www.silkscreeningsupplies.com/site/799934/product/AL2024305)

[DurbanStone]

I'm getting the 8 bagger, I think it's a good price.

[Opie Yutts]

quote = fosmoker
but I am not sure how many microns that is because I am not sure how big the lines are. If the lines are as big as the gaps they would still be .0016 or 1600 microns.

This will either help or add to the confusion:

The number of threads per inch can tell us approximately how fine the detail that a mesh can reproduce and how much ink will be deposited on the substrate. But, it also helps if we know how thick those threads are. So, most meshes are identified with a second number giving us thread diameter. A typical mesh designation will be something like "230.34". The ".34" gives the thread diameter in microns. A micron is a thousandth of a millimeter and is pretty much the standard unit of measure in referring to thread diameter, mesh opening, and ink deposit.

So if you know the diameter of the thread and number of threads per inch, you can figure out how many microns the openings are.

And there's more:
When Things Really Start to Mesh - Part I of two on understanding Mesh in Screenprinting (http://www.signindustry.com/screen/articles/2002-08-13-BS-meshPt1.php3)

[Zcomp]

And what micron were they? Ha.
I'm pretty sure I got the 220 micron pantyhose (lol). Didn't make the greatest hash, but they looked very fashionable.

[fosomker]

So I think I figured it out to be ~96 micron if the lines are 34 micron wide or I just got too high.

[klondike_bar]

bubble bags are MASSIVELY expensive. i cant find em any cheaper than 150-350$, evn online and on ebay!

presumably its reduculously purer and therefore smokes better, potentially "bublling" when it burns b/c its vaporizing. (hence bubble hash)

[DurbanStone]

You could get the 3 bad system for 150 bucks, that's cheap.

[klondike_bar]

meerh....150 bucks to make myself 50$ of hash every harvest in an ideal situation?

id rather use a homemade screen or make oil with it for much cheaper i think.

[DurbanStone]

touche. How many watts?

[Opie Yutts]

presumably its reduculously purer and therefore smokes better, potentially "bublling" when it burns b/c its vaporizing

klondike, are you sure about this? I thought it was because it bubbled in one of the bags at some point. Anyone else have a vote?

[Opie Yutts]

id rather use a homemade screen or make oil.

Got any links or guides about how to make oil? Any chance you could walk us through it in a new thread at some point? With pictures? Always pictures.

[Opie Yutts]

touche. How many watts?

Watts for what? Something on another page? Nooo, please. I am to tired and stoned to look through the other pages.

[fosomker]

Here is what I did to make cheap/1 grade hash. Only cost me $10 for the coffee filter at the store. I used the Blender Method.

How to make hash (http://www.drugs-plaza.com/marijuana/how_to_make_hash.htm)

[fosomker]

I thought it was because it bubbled in one of the bags at some point. Anyone else have a vote?

I thought it was because you are trying to get all the little (THC) bubbles. I have seen it done and with the bags they only strain. You just add ice and use a food mixer, the ice helps the plant material seperate allowing the THC balls to fall through screens. Then as you remove each one you will be left with some material that did not fall through, then the one before you final one will have the best. Reason is the one before the last catches the most non broken THC balls, allowing for great potancy.

[DurbanStone]

I asked about wattage, I should of asked how much trim he used for to make that tiny bit of hash not makeing it worth the bags.

[Zcomp]

I use about 1 oz of trim to make about 3-5 G of hash.

[Opie Yutts]

klondike, are you sure about this? I thought it was because it bubbled in one of the bags at some point. Anyone else have a vote?

This just in:

I've got it on good authority that it's called bubble hash because of the way it bubbles in the bags, similar to soapy water.

[DurbanStone]

it could also be because when you smoke it it bubbles...

[Opie Yutts]

I suppose it could for some people, but that's not how the name originated.

[Opie Yutts]

meerh....150 bucks to make myself 50$ of hash every harvest in an ideal situation?

id rather use a homemade screen or make oil with it for much cheaper i think.

Not many things in this life will pay for themselves in 3 uses. I'd say when that happens, it's a pretty good deal.

[DurbanStone]

if you get the 1 galon bubble bags with 4 of them, it's $100. 8 bags just seems like too much?

[Opie Yutts]

I'm thinking 4 is plenty, unless you want to be known as "the guy that has a lot of different grades of hash."

[Zcomp]

Yeah, I'd say 4 bags max, meaning 3 grades.
3 is a magic number.