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pisshead
11-30-2007, 03:48 AM
Bin Laden Tape
6abc.com: Bin Laden Tape (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=nation_world&id=5796182)

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - November 29, 2007 - Al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden called on Europeans to stop helping the United States in the war in Afghanistan, according to excerpts of a new audiotape broadcast Thursday on Al-Jazeera television.

Bin Laden said it was unjust for the United States to have invaded Afghanistan for sheltering him after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, saying he was the "only one responsible" for the deadly assaults on New York and Washington. "The events of Manhattan were retaliation against the American-Israeli alliance's aggression against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, and I am the only one responsible for it. The Afghan people and government knew nothing about it. America knows that," the al-Qaida leader said.
The message appeared to be another attempt by bin Laden to influence public opinion in the West. In 2004, he offered Europeans a truce if they stopped attacking Muslims, then later spoke of a truce with the U.S. In both cases, al-Qaida then denounced those areas for not accepting its offer.
State Department spokesman Sean McCormack dismissed the new tape as typical of bin Laden's tactics and expressed faith in the European allies.
"I think our NATO allies understand quite clearly what is at stake in Afghanistan as well as elsewhere around the world in fighting the war on terror," he told reporters. "It's going to require a sustained commitment over a period of time and we have seen that kind of commitment from our European allies."
FBI analysts were reviewing the tape but were not immediately able to say how long it was or when it might have been recorded nor could they provide other details. Spokesman Richard Kolko said it was being examined "to determine if it is authentic and for any intelligence value."
"As the FBI has said since 9/11, bin Laden was responsible for the attack," Kolko said in a statement. "In this latest tape, he again acknowledged his responsibility. This should help to clarify for all the conspiracy theorists, again - the 9/11 attack was done by bin Laden and al-Qaida."
This has been the deadliest year in Afghanistan since the U.S.-led invasion in late 2001, with more than 6,100 people killed - including more than 800 civilians - in militant attacks and military operations, according to an Associated Press tally of figures from Afghan and Western officials.
In the new tape, bin Laden said European nations joined the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan "because they had no other alternative, only to be a follower."
"The American tide is ebbing, with God's help, and they will go back to their countries," he said, speaking of Europeans.
Bin Laden urged Europeans to pull away from the fight.
"It is better for you to stand against your leaders who are dropping in on the White House, and to work seriously to lift the injustice against the believers," he said, accusing U.S. forces and their allies of intentionally killing women and children in Afghanistan.
Al-Jazeera aired two brief excerpts of the audiotape, titled "Message to the European Peoples," which al-Qaida had announced Monday that it would release soon.
Bin Laden issued four public statements earlier this year - on Sept. 7, Sept. 11, Sept. 20 and Oct. 22. The Sept. 7 video was his first in three years and was issued to mark the sixth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks.
Al-Qaida has dramatically stepped up its messages - a pace seen as a sign of its increasing technical sophistication and the relative security felt by its leadership. Bin Laden is believed to be hiding along the Afghan-Pakistan frontier.
Bin Laden's message was the 89th this year by Al-Qaida's media wing, Al-Sahab, an average of one every three days, double the rate in 2006, according to IntelCenter, a U.S. counterterrorism group that monitors militant messaging.

(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

Innominate
11-30-2007, 08:14 AM
This man will never be caught.

epxroot
11-30-2007, 02:02 PM
I don't believe he will be either.

Markass
11-30-2007, 05:16 PM
lmao, I read in the newspaper that "although it is not clear whether the message will be audio or video, a an intelligence angency has indicated that it will be a video and will be relesed within the next 72 hours"

that was in the newspaper a couple of days ago...how the fuck can we know all of that, but not know where he is..? Oh yeah, we don't want to catch him...we want to 'help rebuild iraq'

Gandalf_The_Grey
11-30-2007, 07:36 PM
It pisses me off that they only released small snippets of these tapes, selecting exactly what words we get to hear. I've seem some CNN "interviews" with muslim fanatics and the editing makes it so obvious that they cut up what he's saying to totally change the meaning, or delete the reason they're saying it.

How can we trust anything we're presented about the terrorists when it's spoon-fed to us in this format?:mad:

Zimzum
12-01-2007, 04:54 AM
Below I made a link to the forum that originally posted the message. Its in Arabic so good luck translating the whole thing. I do agree with Gandalf, I want to see/hear the whole thing myself as well.


You take all responsibility for clicking this LINK (http://ek-ls.org/forum/). DHS maybe watching IPs to this site, who knows.


Taken from MEMRI (http://memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD177607):

On November 29, the Islamist website Al-Ekhlaas, hosted by NOC4HOSTS Inc., in FloridaU.S.A., posted an audio message from Osama bin Laden, produced by Al-Qaeda's media company Al-Sahab. The message, addressed to the European people, is an attempt to exploit the moral debate on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan currently underway in the West, particularly in Europe. Bin Laden portrays the European leaders as vassals of the U.S., and calls upon Europeans to pressure their governments to withdraw their forces from Afghanistan.

The following are excerpts from the address [1]:




In the beginning of his address, bin Laden criticizes the Europeans for participating in the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan following the 9/11 attacks while knowing that the Afghans and their government had in no way been involved in these attacks. He states: "America was aware of this fact, because they [i.e. the Americans] had captured several Taliban ministers and had interrogated them... That is why the Taliban government requested that the U.S. produce evidence in support of their [accusations] prior to the invasion. But America failed to produce any evidence, and insisted on invading [Afghanistan without evidence] - and Europe followed suit..."

"In this war, you combined two injustices... [First], you did not possess even one piece of evidence admissible in court... You destroyed Al-Qaeda's camps, killing some of its members and capturing others, most of them from Pakistan. What, then, is Afghanistan's sin that you continue this unjust war against it? [The Afghans'] only sin is being Muslims. This reveals the extent of the Crusaders' malice towards Islam and its followers.

"Second... you have not observed the ethics and rules of warfare. Most of the intended victims of your attacks are women and children. [Even though] you know that our women do not fight... you kill them, hoping thereby to crush the mujahideen's morale. This will not help you... [because] we are determined... to continue taking our revenge on the unjust and to expel the occupying invaders."

Bin Laden then promises the Europeans that just as the Afghans defeated Great Britain and the Soviets in the past, they will now defeat the Western invaders under the command of Mulla 'Omar and Mansour Dadullah.

He concludes by saying: "The American tide is receding... and soon they will return to their homes beyond the Atlantic, leaving the neighbors to settle their accounts with one another. So it is better for you [Europeans]... to work diligently to end the oppression of the oppressed [i.e. withdraw your forces from Afghanistan]."







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[1] Ã?Ã?Ã?Ã? Ã?áÃ?Ã?áÃ?Ã? Ã?áÃ?Ã?áÃ?ãÃ*Ã? (http://ek-ls.org/forum), November 27, 2007.

Breukelen advocaat
12-01-2007, 05:08 AM
What does this story have to do with a conspiracy? Please, don't answer that! :stoned:

Ironically, pisshead is willing to post in conspiracy, when something fits his definition it. But, if it is sourced from Alex Jones, then it is the truth and belongs in politics. Go figure. I'm sure that we'll see an AJ website posting on this thread as soon as one is available for this "conspiracy".

pisshead
12-01-2007, 05:40 PM
it was an AP report...

and if you don't call some guy in a cave commanding 19 jackasses who didn't know how to fly - a conspiracy... then i don't know what to say...

that's exactly what a conspiracy is, isn't it...