- HOT5 Dual plant SCROG [Soil] -

[EXP13]

I am a fairly experienced outdoor cultivator who wants to try and grow indoors.

This operation has been slow in the making but I'm 100% ready to go. I will be using bag seed this time around but I do have a couple BCBigBud seeds as well as an unknown strain from a bag of purple bud with bright orange hairs. I'm using the normal bag seed as sort of a "test run".

But I do want to make sure I make the best of it.

NOTE- I will more than likely not be using any fertilizers. If I do it will be 100% organic.

Lighting-

Vegetative Growth:
4 Lamp HOT5 fixture
3000K and 6500K mixed for full-spectrum.
20,000Lumens total initially.

Flowering:
I will continue using the HOT5 and add in two 70watt HPS bulbs.

Planned Light Schedule-

18/6 - 2mos.
16/8 - 1mo.
12/12 - undetermined...

Soil-

Mixture of MiracleGrow Moisture Control Potting Soil and FoxFarm OceanForest. [1:3]

Pictures coming soon...

[EXP13]

I will germinate two seeds tomorrow.

I figured I'd leave a spot open for any suggestions from you more experienced cultivators.

One thing I'm not sure of is what kind of water to use.

I was thinking Ice Mountain Natural Spring bottled water. Would that be effective enough?

Any input would be taken into great consideration!

TIA

[klondike_bar]

watch with the moisture control. i believe that is what im using and it can really hold a lot of water for a long time, which isnt necessarily good b/c it can be easier to overwater than most soils

[EXP13]

Well that's why I'm going to use a 1:3 ratio with more of the FoxFarm. I figured that much considering the name of the soil.

I used it outdoors with great results.

I did a little test when I grew outdoors with it. I had 8 plants. 4 of which I used natural soil and were planted directly into the ground and the other 4 were placed in large pots with the MG - Moisture Control.

The potted plants did pretty much phenominally better in every aspect.

NOTE- The grow was done in very fertile soil. About 35yds off a stream.

[Orzy]

I'd definitely recommend getting some ferts. Foxfarm makes some good ones.

I'd also suggest using a 1 part perlite to 3 parts of that ocean forest for your soil.

Water is water. As long as your city/well water is drinkable it's probably okay. If there is a hydroshop in town the people there can probably tell you what the ph is on average. If it's way off get a ph kit. They're pretty cheap.

One more thing, and I'm completely not 100% about this. You might want to just use your 6500k lights for veg. I've *heard* mixing the two can make your plants grow goofy.

I think I experienced this once myself. I was using a t12 floru setup. Had one 6500k tube and one 2700k tube. I was in the middle of germing some seeds for my current grow when one of my 6500k's went out. So I just swapped it out with a 2700k. All the seedlings that had already sprouted didn't seem to notice, but one that sprouted after I did the swap grew all wonky. It very well could of been a random mutation though. So.. someone else will have to clarify.

[scagster]

I've sprouted seedlings under 3000K CFLs, and under HPS too, so I don't think it's a big deal, but the higher kelvin rating is definitely better for veg.

[tokr2153]

sounds good can't wait to see some pics

[EXP13]

Ok, I snapped a few pictures of the setup.

Picture 1 - $30US at Lowes. A little resizing with a hacksaw and you get Picture 2.

Picture 2 - This is the whole setup put together in my closet. It was rather simple. Getting the Mylar wrapped on the sides was possibly the most difficult thing I've done in a long while. Proper measurments for this were a MUST.

Picture 3 - This is the HOT5 Fixture. The light was easy to install. It's height is 100% adjustable via a simple chain and clip setup. It can rest on the bottom and be ravelled up to the very top.

Picture 4 - Closed up. If need be I can close the box completely. Very little light escapes. Only problem I have with it being close up is the temperatures can rise to about 85*F with the fans on.

Picture 5 - 100% Digital everything. Digital timer, digital fan setups, digital temperature and humidity monitoring. My temp and humiditiy gauges will be strategically placed inside the box and remotely monitored from where ever I chose...

[EXP13]

Here is the ventilation setup I have so far. I will probably be adding something else sooner or later.

Picture 1 - Intake. This fan is huge so it stays on its lowest speed.

Picture 2 - Exaust pic 1.

Picture 3 - Exaust pic 2.

The exaust fan is from Radio Shack. The small vent is a dryer vent I picked up from Lowes. I superglued the fan to the vent and vuola, you have yourself a proper vent. When the exaust fan turns on the dryer vent opens up to release the stinkiness. Funny thing, as small as that little fan is, it kicks some serious ass. I will be adding another one soon however.

[EXP13]

These little pots should last for a while.

[EXP13]

Seeds in soil.

NOTE - Just a random shot taken the day before. I thought it was cool.

Notice the Ice Mountain bottle section. 3 of those filled fills the small pots EXACTLY to spec. (Shown via pot on right.) Believe it or not there is a measurement there. I didn't just cut it and say hey, wow...:cool:

Just a matter of time now.:jointsmile:

[letsgetlifted]

:rastasmoke: yo exp13, thx for the interest in my grow. Im very very intrigued by this ScrOG technique...and plan to experiment with it very soon. So long story short i cant wait to see your log complete. but heres a few questions.....

how long do u plan to veg them? how high is your screen going to be?

[EXP13]

:rastasmoke: yo exp13, thx for the interest in my grow. Im very very intrigued by this ScrOG technique...and plan to experiment with it very soon. So long story short i cant wait to see your log complete. but heres a few questions.....

how long do u plan to veg them? how high is your screen going to be?

Hey man!

Right back at ya.

I "plan" to veg them for about 3 months. Because of the space I have I will have lots of screen (chickenwire) to fill.

I plan to not allow the plants to get over 10inchs tall before I start the SCROG. So about 10-11inchs from the top of the pot.

This will also give me room to get in underneath the canopy and do some dirty work, you know, watering and what not...

[letsgetlifted]

Interesting. Has the strain you are using already been praised for being a great SCRoG grower?

[EXP13]

Interesting. Has the strain you are using already been praised for being a great SCRoG grower?

Funny thing.

I was going to start out with some bagseed as an experiment to test and calibrate my setup. In which case my answer would be, hell I don't know.

So, I found out that I had germinated 2 of my Super Silver Haze seeds. Definitly wasn't what I had planned on growing this time around.

I've never tried to SCROG, SOG or even LST this strain before. I've grown it outdoors twice though.

It CAN get kind of tall. But we'll see. If I think I have to I'll just TOP them.

I'm not too worried about it. At least I know if all goes well I'll have some potent shit...It's a very wierd strain. Gives you a high that you'll never forget. It can be kind of trippy sometimes.

I think what happened was while I was going through my little seedbank the packet with the SSH must have been open just a little bit and the two of them fell out of the package onto the table. I figured I was going to just grab any two seeds I found laying around. (and trust me, sometimes I find a few in some strange places.) I guess after putting all the seeds back in the freezer I noticed those two sitting on the table first...

So I thought to myself a little while later. I was like, "where the hell did those two seeds come from" because I had just gotten off work and I didn't smoke after I got off work. And I was 150% positive that I cleaned the table off before I ate dinner! So I checked all the packets. I write how many are in there on a little label before I put them in the freezer. Sure as shit, they were the only two missing out of the 200+ seeds I have...

So SSH it is...

:wtf:

[letsgetlifted]

O i love a trippy high!(every so often) Ive smoked some of my friends homegrown SSH. That was a long day....ha O' the memories.

Well im glad you know it is going to be some fuckin good dank. I cant wait to see it come out!

Man i need my weed right now....im hungover today and my sack is empty....not exactly the best of dayz my friend.

till next post.. :cool:

[EXP13]

O i love a trippy high!(every so often) Ive smoked some of my friends homegrown SSH. That was a long day....ha O' the memories.

Well im glad you know it is going to be some fuckin good dank. I cant wait to see it come out!

Man i need my weed right now....im hungover today and my sack is empty....not exactly the best of dayz my friend.

till next post.. :cool:

Yuk...Drink LOTS of water brotha. That's how it's done.

Yea, SSH is one of my favorites. Very high THC levels. The seeds are feminized too so at least I know I don't have to worry about that.

[Gundari]

I'd be careful about lettin them veg for 3 months, especially since you said you area of growing experience is outside. When you switch over to 12/12 inside the plants go FRIGGIN WILD and double sometimes triple in size in just a week or two. I'm no expert on scrogging but everything I've read seems to say grow till the screens only a percentage full, I'm not sure of the exact percentage though.

[EXP13]

I'd be careful about lettin them veg for 3 months, especially since you said you area of growing experience is outside. When you switch over to 12/12 inside the plants go FRIGGIN WILD and double sometimes triple in size in just a week or two. I'm no expert on scrogging but everything I've read seems to say grow till the screens only a percentage full, I'm not sure of the exact percentage though.

Hmm. Thanks for the insight.

The strain I'm using doesn't get big enough to allow a growth spurt to become a problem. At least I hope not...lol.

I've SCROGged outdoors many times. I usually allow the screen to fill up as much as possible. But the only thing you DO have to be weary of is the plant blocking other limbs trying to come through the canopy. Outdoors I've never really had an issue with it, probably because the sun produces more than abundant light.

So I'm not so sure how it will play out indoors. But I'm going to give it a go and see what happens.

I'll update the log with a couple pictures tomorrow. I got some sprouts now! :D

[SantaClawz]

We want pics! We want pics!
Good luck man! :stoned:

[EXP13]

This is Day 2 since I first saw the seed-shells breaking the top soil.

Picture 1 - This is the slower growing of the two. I'm sure it will catch up soon. Maybe she had to fight with a piece of perlite to get up? :jointsmile:

Picture 2 - This is the most prominant of the two thus far.

Picture 3 - Soon, I plan to have a 3-some with these two ladies. :cool:

[SantaClawz]

Nice job. Mylar looks good considering it looks like you had to hang it on fabric. That thing is made out of fabric right?
I saw one at some closeout store, would be a nice mother/baby room.

[letsgetlifted]

Thats good that they are feminised. Definitely cuts out a lot of work. I want to try and make my own feminised seeds on my next harvest.

[EXP13]

Nice job. Mylar looks good considering it looks like you had to hang it on fabric. That thing is made out of fabric right?
I saw one at some closeout store, would be a nice mother/baby room.

Actually no, I taped it to the frame.(Duct Tape) The cloth drapes over top of it. The mylar got a little wrinkled from putting the cloth over top of it.

The mylar got screwed on the bottom from how I put it on the frame. I took the roll, taped it to the frame, rolled the mylar out to cover the side and create the wall. Then used a razor (xacto knife) to cut each wall free of the roll. Well cutting it with the razor proved more difficult than I previously thought. If the mylar doesn't have enough tension on it, it's almsot impossible to cut it...

[atsar]

good looking set up man
i'd have to agree with whoever said a shorter veg period would be better,i did a single plant scrog indoors in a small space,vegged for 4 weeks and the finished plant filled almost all 88 holes in a 18 inch by 12 inch screen,don't want to imagine how big it'd have been with 3 months veg
good luck witht the grow man

[EXP13]

Well, as expected, the lady on the left threw the shell off and spread wide open. She literally doubled, almost trippled in size overnight. They both did really. I'm impressed.

Picture 1 - This is the plant that had the seed shell still intact yesterday. Big difference. You can see the shell to the left of the seedling if you look close.

Picture 2 - Still the most prominant of the two.

One thing I have noticed which I've never really had before is the stems on both seedlings are a dark purple color...Um, I've heard that can be natural. Which is true because many upon many strains of cannabis do present that as a genetic trait. But I've never seen it before in any of my outdoor grows with this particular strain.

Any ideas?

[EXP13]

good looking set up man
i'd have to agree with whoever said a shorter veg period would be better,i did a single plant scrog indoors in a small space,vegged for 4 weeks and the finished plant filled almost all 88 holes in a 18 inch by 12 inch screen,don't want to imagine how big it'd have been with 3 months veg
good luck witht the grow man

Thanks!

And thanks for the insight. I appreciate all the information I can get.

Personally I think a lot of that has to do with the strain though. If you're unaware of what strain you have to begin with (bagseed), how big it can get outdoors/indoors and what not, then yes, growth spurts can be a problem with SCROG.

But I'm feeling quite confident that I'll need almost the whole 3 months to fill the amount of screen I plan to use. I've grown this strain before and I'm really hoping I know its tendencies.

The thing is I've never grown it indoors and I don't want to fall short at all.

We'll see how it goes.

[atsar]

yeah man,i know what you're saying,i was opposite of you,i'd grown mine indoors but never tried outdoors,so i did this summer,the 1 thing i did notice was how much slower my strain grew outdoors compared to indoors,6 inches in the 1st month outside compared to 12-14 inches 1st month indoors,remember you don't get bad days indoors or cloudy days dull days etc,plus i also noticed that outdoors the growth spurt was no where near as much as indoor when flowering starts,my strain triples in size indoors yet outside it only got about 50% taller though bushier,

with regards to your purple stems,all my seedlings start out like that but have changed green by the 2nd set of leaves,reckon it could be the temp in my case

[EXP13]

yeah man,i know what you're saying,i was opposite of you,i'd grown mine indoors but never tried outdoors,so i did this summer,the 1 thing i did notice was how much slower my strain grew outdoors compared to indoors,6 inches in the 1st month outside compared to 12-14 inches 1st month indoors,remember you don't get bad days indoors or cloudy days dull days etc,plus i also noticed that outdoors the growth spurt was no where near as much as indoor when flowering starts,my strain triples in size indoors yet outside it only got about 50% taller though bushier,

with regards to your purple stems,all my seedlings start out like that but have changed green by the 2nd set of leaves,reckon it could be the temp in my case

Well I really hope the purple coloration isn't a sign of a deficiency..:(

Hmm, you'd think it would be the other way around with redard to your plants being larger indoors and smaller outdoors...:wtf:

I guess that depends on where you live because generally speaking plants SHOULD be larger outdoors...

But I will definitly take this into huge consideration because this is one of the most important issues at hand.

We'll see how far along we are around then end of the first month. I do know that this strain WILL double in size once flowering is induced. However on the other hand the strain is genetically limited to about 3ft. I've never seen it get any bigger than that.

I took the day off work today. I don't know why really, just didn't feel like going in. Maybe it's the winter? Aw hell who cares.

But I will post pictures of Day 4 when my lights turn back on. I havn't even seen my ladies today. I can't wait to see them!

I bet they've doubled in size again!

[ebsters]

seedlings don't have to worry bout nutes.

its all in their first set of halfs that opens. Don't have to fert them till they are at least 4-5 weeks old. And they don't need much.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Don't worry about the purple stems that is normal they look very heathy for now. They do look a little strechy at the moment. How close are your lights? I see you are using T5 lighting, try and get them within 4" of the tops of the plants and raise when needed to maintain that distance.

As for nutes wait until you have your first set of 5 finger leaves, then use FF Grow Big. I had great results from that nute.

Nice setup by the way!

[atsar]

hey exp
i hope i didn't give the wrong impression with what i wrote,my outdoor plants were considerably bigger than anything i've grown inside,but they took 6 months to finish,i was comparing the first 4 weeks of growth between my outdoor and indoor and indoor did way better
i kinda drew my own conclusions on what was going on,outdoors we hadn't long passed equinox so days were increasing but maybe only 14 hours decent light a day to begin with whereas indoors it was 18 hours from day 1,then the fact the sun isn't as strong and bright as in summer,weather was cooler though not cold,the fact i'm in the uk and our weather is crap etc etc
i guess a point i was trying to make and missed completely is that when a plant is forced into flowering indoors while it's still quite small and young can flower prolifically,and it's not unknown for a 4 week vegged plant to triple in size during flowering,mine do,whereas outdoors the flowering comes on a lot more gently and subtley and for me outdoors i only got about a 50% increase in size during flowering

when i added the screen to my scrog i'd started 12/12 before placing the screen so everything was still below though touching the screen horizontally and the holes were in effect empty,was another few days before i actually pulled anything through,and i was nearly 3 weeks into flower by the time i filled the holes

[EXP13]

The boards were down for a while. I will update later today.

[SMOKIN A WHILE]

change your bulbs to all 6500k for vegging 18/6 and change
all to 2700k when you switch to 12/12 for flowering. Mix of
the two won't hurt anything but better results with what I
suggested.

[EXP13]

change your bulbs to all 6500k for vegging 18/6 and change
all to 2700k when you switch to 12/12 for flowering. Mix of
the two won't hurt anything but better results with what I
suggested.

At this point it's kind of not an option.

Also, I've heard the opposite. I've heard that full spectrum will produce better results. I was informed of this from a very reliable source. (non-internet source.)

Remember, I will be using two HPS bulbs for flowering.

[daihashi]

Hey Exp, I just started new seedlings myself. Granted I have about 14 planted, but I'm probably going to lose at least half of them (expecting males as well as just complications along the way.)

It'd be pretty cool if we compared our grows since our seedlings are relatively the same age and they're both bagseed.

I will be growing CFL for veg, and am debating between HPS or just alot of 2700K CFL (I'm concerned about heat killing the plants).

Do you have any picture updates? I will probably taking some more either Sunday or Monday night.

Man some of these seedlings just exploded, while others look to be a little on the runt side.

Good luck on your grow!

[EXP13]

Hey Exp, I just started new seedlings myself. Granted I have about 14 planted, but I'm probably going to lose at least half of them (expecting males as well as just complications along the way.)

It'd be pretty cool if we compared our grows since our seedlings are relatively the same age and they're both bagseed.

I will be growing CFL for veg, and am debating between HPS or just alot of 2700K CFL (I'm concerned about heat killing the plants).

Do you have any picture updates? I will probably taking some more either Sunday or Monday night.

Man some of these seedlings just exploded, while others look to be a little on the runt side.

Good luck on your grow!

Ok, sounds good man.

Yes, but I have to recharge my camera. I will update with pictures very soon.

I am on Day 7.

[daihashi]

Ok, sounds good man.

Yes, but I have to recharge my camera. I will update with pictures very soon.

I am on Day 7.

I'm on about day 5 or so. I went ahead and took pictures tonight but probably won't post them tomorrow. Looking forward to the grow comparison.

Wish I had some genetics to grow but I wanted to gain expierence on indoor growth. Hopefully it works out.

[EXP13]

Grow log cancelled. Security compromised because of log. Sorry guys.

[rnichilo]

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