View Full Version : Sudan Accuses Teacher of Islam Insult
Psycho4Bud
11-27-2007, 02:48 PM
NAIROBI, Kenya, Nov. 26 ?? The Sudanese police arrested a British schoolteacher and accused her of insulting Islam after she allowed her 7-year-old pupils to name a class teddy bear Muhammad, Sudanese officials said Monday.
The teacher, Gillian Gibbons, was arrested Sunday in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan, after a number of parents complained, said Rabie A. Atti, a government spokesman. ??How can you call a bear Muhammad?? he said. ??Muhammad is the holy prophet of Islam.?
Dr. Rabie said the authorities had obtained a letter Ms. Gibbons sent home with students explaining that her primary school class was doing a project on animals and had adopted a teddy bear named Muhammad.
??Her letter said there was an intelligent bear named Muhammad, and the letter instructed parents to take pictures with this bear,? Dr. Rabie said. ??This is not acceptable, according to the general opinion of our society.?
In Islam, insulting the Prophet Muhammad is considered a grave offense, and the law of northern Sudan, where Khartoum lies, makes this a crime.
Unity School, where Ms. Gibbons taught, is known as one of the more expensive private schools in Khartoum. The students are the children of wealthy Sudanese families and foreign diplomats, a mix of mostly Muslims and Christians, and the lessons are in English.
Ms. Gibbons is in jail, pending further investigation, Dr. Rabie said. ??If she is innocent, she will be set free,? he said.
If she is guilty, Dr. Rabie said, she will face punishment, possibly including lashes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/27/world/africa/27sudan.html?ref=africa
Lashings for naming a Teddy Bear Muhammad. What's next?
Have a good one!:s4:
I don't want to appear racist, but Islam is probably the most outrageous and ridiculous religion out there. Come to think of it, all religion is ridiculous. We're nothing but organisms that happen to have evolved on one of the millions of planets in the universe. Structuring law on religion is insane - especially Islam. What was it, a few years ago a 9-year-old girl was raped and went to the authorities, and because she couldn't stop them she was stoned to death!
A peaceful religion it is.
yokinazu
11-27-2007, 06:05 PM
why is it wrong to name a teddy bear muhammed but you can call your children muhammed?
Gandalf_The_Grey
11-27-2007, 07:24 PM
why is it wrong to name a teddy bear muhammed but you can call your children muhammed?
Just what I was thinking. Is a teadybear some kind of derogatory symbol? I think not. They didn't even ask her, once, to change the teadybear's name. *sigh* fanaticism is getting really old; there's a reason we separate religion and government here in the west.
Psycho4Bud
11-27-2007, 07:28 PM
The way it sounds she let her class of 7 year olds vote on a name for the teddy bear.....they voted for Mohammad. One of the parents turned her in because it's "somehow" an insult to Islam.
The scary thing is that these people have the mind set of the middle ages with the technology of today.
Have a good one!:s4:
Nightcrewman
11-27-2007, 07:42 PM
This is a problem that could be sorted out with a well placed nuclear bomb.
NCM
Gandalf_The_Grey
11-27-2007, 08:09 PM
This is a problem that could be sorted out with a well placed nuclear bomb.
NCM
Oh yeah, that'll hinder fanaticism and snuff out the flames of hatred :rolleyes:
Breukelen advocaat
11-27-2007, 08:48 PM
The BBC has this story, and the responses from some of the Muslims are in favor of the punishment.
BBC NEWS | Africa | Sudan teddy insult teacher: Readers' views (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7115400.stm)
They need to learn how to live and act like civilized people in the present, not in the world of a thousand years ago.
It boggles the mind as to why a non-Muslim from England would want to go there. Another case of do-gooderism, I guess.
birdgirl73
11-28-2007, 07:14 AM
It only boggles your mind, which is why you have to call it do-gooderism instead of conceiving that someone might be interested in learning another culture or influencing it positively in some way.
NorthBrook19
11-28-2007, 07:33 AM
The Old Testament in the Bible talks about stoning witches,adulterers,homosexuals to death. Muslims are more "true" to their holy texts; they actually carry out the penalties their religion prescribes. The sad thing is that this still happens because the religion's grip on society is so tight as to not have allowed anything different in the past. Westerners had the Crusades and learned they hated it. Hopefully Muslims will get through this Medieval mindset and start inventing again. What wonders the Muslim world brought us at its peak.:jointsmile:
Reefer Rogue
11-28-2007, 09:24 AM
This story really outraged me. Islam does not take criticism well, they are generally too easily offended when we challenge their philosophy. It is not a fact, NOT truth, not evidence or knowledge. It is an idea. Freedom of speech should allow me to use the word mohammed, they don't own the word because they claim to be Islamists. It's not offensive, they're trying to make something more then it is, they're blowing it way out of proportion. The kids democratically voted for the name and some people didn't like it. Boo hoo, cry about it. Too many people are scared to challenge them because they're scared of the backlash. Let's not forget there's an innocent women imprisoned now due to this madness, her freedom and liberty has been taken away due to archaic, religious law..
FreshNugz
11-29-2007, 09:14 PM
Yeah I hope somehow the British government can get her out..that is just ridiculous. But it's been seen before..the dutch newspaper cartoon got a real bad reaction(and by that I mean burning flags, riots, anti western protests). They also hate south park i'm pretty sure. and anything else that depicts mohammed.
As for why its ok to name a child Mohammed and not the teddy bear, I think it was because its a material toy? Not that its a terrible one, but I think they'd say that its not sacred enough to be named Mohammed. And if they say that then so be it...but its absurd to lash somebody for that...in fact, i'd even call it uncivilized. And let me be clear im calling the act of lashing uncivilized, not the ones who lash...by no means am i deeming their religion based culture as uncivilized.
Cheers to Gandalf for pointing out the largest difference. We've separated church from state. That is no doubt a huge problem in relations between our culture and theirs.
Nightcrewman
11-30-2007, 01:47 PM
It was on this lunchtime news that thousands are marching in the Capital of Sudan demanding that the teacher is executed.
This religion really needs some serious problems sent their way to give them something to complain about.
NCM
Psycho4Bud
11-30-2007, 02:02 PM
It was on this lunchtime news that thousands are marching in the Capital of Sudan demanding that the teacher is executed.
This religion really needs some serious problems sent their way to give them something to complain about.
NCM
Watching the same story........looks like a good place for a strategic strike!:Tomcat:
Have a good one!:s4:
psychocat
11-30-2007, 02:06 PM
Rule number one when living in a freign country is :
KNOW THE RULES !
Sorry if this upsets people but the responsibility to know the laws lies with the person , this woman is guilty of stupidity or ignorance. Like the old saying : When in Rome.
I have travelled far and wide and ignorance of local laws and customs can land you in hot water so I make sure to do some research before going to countries I don't know much about.
Nightcrewman
11-30-2007, 04:25 PM
Point taken, though we have all been stupid or ignorant at some point in our lives does that warrant execution ?
NCM
Breukelen advocaat
11-30-2007, 04:41 PM
She's been sentenced to 15 days in prison, but now her life will now be in constant danger from those who would behead her. It's happened before in this country, and other Islamic nations, to people who were thought to have shown disrespect to allah, mohammad, or the muslim priests.
She's been told to leave as soon as she is released:
There were signs, though, that Ms Gibbons might be allowed out early. The judge told her defence lawyer to prepare her travel documents ?? secure her an exit visa ?? as quickly as possible. Legal analysts said they would be surprised if she served the full sentence. They said that the sentence, reached after eight hours of deliberations, was carefully calibrated to reduce domestic tensions.
psychocat
11-30-2007, 06:37 PM
She's been sentenced to 15 days in prison, but now her life will now be in constant danger from those who would behead her. It's happened before in this country, and other Islamic nations, to people who were thought to have shown disrespect to allah, mohammad, or the muslim priests.
She's been told to leave as soon as she is released:
Thats exactly why I stay away from these places , religion is a serious business to these people and I may not agree with it but I also believe that you have to respect the country you go to.
Breukelen advocaat
11-30-2007, 06:46 PM
Thats exactly why I stay away from these places , religion is a serious business to these people and I may not agree with it but I also believe that you have to respect the country you go to.
Even if you don't do anything to offend them you could be kidnapped, held hostage, and/or face death simply because you're a foreigner and not of their faith.
psychocat
11-30-2007, 06:54 PM
Even if you don't do anything to offend them you could be kidnapped, held hostage, and/or face death simply because you're a foreigner and not of their faith.
Yet another reason to let them get on with it and stay the hell away from them.
I make a point of avoiding countries that are war zones , politicaly unstable or just plain mental. :wtf: :D
Breukelen advocaat
11-30-2007, 07:06 PM
Yet another reason to let them get on with it and stay the hell away from them.
I make a point of avoiding countries that are war zones , politicaly unstable or just plain mental. :wtf: :D
The nation where that teacher lives is all three. :stoned:
PharmaCan
11-30-2007, 07:26 PM
Thats exactly why I stay away from these places , religion is a serious business to these people and I may not agree with it but I also believe that you have to respect the country you go to.
This is a great philosophy. Sadly, Muslims have ventured away from their domestic shit holes and now infest the entire world. If they want the privilege of moving freely about the world, then they must allow the rest of the world to travel freely in their lands.
Catering to the people of Muslim faith is a huge mistake. They are savages and deserve to be treated as same.
jmo
PC :smokin:
Gandalf_The_Grey
11-30-2007, 07:31 PM
Catering to the people of Muslim faith is a huge mistake. They are savages and deserve to be treated as same.
It's like the fanatical "God hates fags" type Christians in the US bible belt. Sure there are a lot of them, and they cause a lot of problems, but they do not represent Christians in general. Likewise, it's totally unfair to just say "Muslims" are savages and fanatics all.
psychocat
11-30-2007, 07:33 PM
Tried giving you rep for that post Gandalf but I gotta spread some around .
Well said man.
delusionsofNORMALity
11-30-2007, 10:18 PM
Likewise, it's totally unfair to just say "Muslims" are savages and fanatics all.
i'm sure that there were plenty of members of the nazi party that were peaceful well meaning people, but today the term "nazi" is practically an obscenity. when are we going to reach the point at which we are willing to say that the philosophy of islam has bred enough dangerous fanatics that it is just as vile? is it the fact that it has been labeled a "religion" the reason that everyone is so scared to condemn this root of so much needless bloodshed? can the unwillingness to condemn the savage attacks of fanatics by much of the world's muslim community be seen as anything but tacit approval? for a religion of peace, it would seem that its peaceful members are an extreme minority.
psychocat
11-30-2007, 10:30 PM
America has Christian fanatics calling for the death of any woman who dares to have an abortion , should we nuke the Bible belt too ?
delusionsofNORMALity
11-30-2007, 11:51 PM
America has Christian fanatics calling for the death of any woman who dares to have an abortion , should we nuke the Bible belt too ?
might not be a bad idea.;)
however;
you don't often find those folks strapping explosives on and blowing up their neighbors. you seldom see massive crowds of civilized people chanting for the death of a school teacher whose only crime was in naming a toy.
doesn't any of this seem a bit odd to you, or are you too engrossed by the role of muslim apologist to even bother to consider the reality of the situation? there are far too many folks making far too many excuses for every asshole's shoddy behavior. we seem to now exist in a world where everything is either a disease or someone else's fault, the perpetrator is never to blame. i've listened to every fool under the sun making asinine excuses for what is really just destruction in the name of a meaningless bit of doggerel scribbled deep in the sands of time. i often wonder if they realize how foolish they actually sound.
psychocat
12-01-2007, 12:16 AM
I find religion to be a form of insanity so to me they are all nutters regardless of faith.
I rarely apologise for myself so I'm not going to do it for muslims or christians or even the bleedin mormons.
You seem to fail to understand that I am not saying thier reaction is right or wrong , I am saying "she should've been more aware of the laws", in any court anywhere in the world ignorance is no excuse.
You are also unaware of my stance on crime and punishment since I strongly believe in the edict of "Do the crime only if you can do the time".
The reality of the situation is that when you're in another mans country you live by thier rules.
Staurm
12-01-2007, 12:23 AM
Someone on the radio today suggesting flying a plane load of bears with Mohammed name tags and dropping them all over the country LOL
It really is beyond ridiculous, I saw a picture of this women I can't imagine what she is going through right now, it's really fucking terrible. They are calling for her to be shot as well! The ironic thing is if she does get shot it'd be at the barrel of a gun sold to her by Britain or America probably.
Ozarks
12-01-2007, 02:43 AM
America has Christian fanatics calling for the death of any woman who dares to have an abortion , should we nuke the Bible belt too ?
But unlike Sudan these people don't sit on the courts, run the country or have tens of thousands of people in the streets supporting them. A little fact you (as usual) missed.
BTW I've been away psychocat, being back I see you still view the world ( and everything in it) through your "I hate America" glasses.
Your stuck in a rut, boy.
PharmaCan
12-01-2007, 06:45 AM
It's like the fanatical "God hates fags" type Christians in the US bible belt. Sure there are a lot of them, and they cause a lot of problems, but they do not represent Christians in general. Likewise, it's totally unfair to just say "Muslims" are savages and fanatics all.
I'm sorry, but it is as much the fault of the moderate Muslims as it is of the fanatics. Muslims are a religious society and it is the responsibility of that society to control its members. This is the old, "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem." thing. If you allow savagery in your society, then you are guilty of savagery whether you commit the physical act or not.
jmo
PC :smokin:
psychocat
12-01-2007, 01:53 PM
But unlike Sudan these people don't sit on the courts, run the country or have tens of thousands of people in the streets supporting them. A little fact you (as usual) missed.
BTW I've been away psychocat, being back I see you still view the world ( and everything in it) through your "I hate America" glasses.
Your stuck in a rut, boy.
Please try to get it right I do not hate America just American interference in countries that don't abide by Americas ideas of what is right and wrong.
What gives the US the right to dictate to others ?
As I have already said in previous posts "hasn't Bush already proclaimed that it's the CHRISTIAN duty to oppose thier (muslims) evil ideas"?
Religious zealots are a plague that has no place in modern society but creating martyrs by killing your enemies will only lead to more violence.
I would be happy to see all religious groups wipe each other out .
However in this case of the teacher who went to a muslim country and didn't even do some basic research about the laws then all I can say is "stupid bloody woman".
thcbongman
12-01-2007, 03:29 PM
Please try to get it right I do not hate America just American interference in countries that don't abide by Americas ideas of what is right and wrong.
What gives the US the right to dictate to others ?
As I have already said in previous posts "hasn't Bush already proclaimed that it's the CHRISTIAN duty to oppose thier (muslims) evil ideas"?
Religious zealots are a plague that has no place in modern society but creating martyrs by killing your enemies will only lead to more violence.
I would be happy to see all religious groups wipe each other out .
However in this case of the teacher who went to a muslim country and didn't even do some basic research about the laws then all I can say is "stupid bloody woman".
I 100% agree.
We may not like another countries policies, or find an incident like this barbaric, but as long as it does not harm the US in any form, it's none of our business to get involved, or have Bush make an official comment.
When you go to another country, you have to be aware of their laws, and at least appear to respect them.
chisme
12-01-2007, 04:03 PM
biggest loads of bollox EVER
psychocat
12-01-2007, 04:54 PM
biggest loads of bollox EVER
What an insightful and educated remark :S2:
Reefer Rogue
12-01-2007, 08:06 PM
When laws are run by religion, these farcical events happen. I agree, for a middle aged women, (teacher) she should know the rules of where she's teaching and living. Do the penalties fit the crime? Absolutely not, any rational person would surely agree, any non ration would wish death upon her. I feel bad for the intelligent Muslims in the world who will now face even more discrimination due to these extremists. Where's the forgiveness Sudan?
Staurm
12-01-2007, 10:33 PM
George Galloway talking about this on his radio show now:
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qdavid
12-01-2007, 11:15 PM
I don't know if anyone's commented on this, I'm too lazy to look around a lot. But there is a lot of hype surrounding that teacher that was imprisoned in Sudan for okaying the name of a teddy bear Mohammad. She won't get lashed or anything, just deported, plus this jail-time. I just think she was uber stupid. She was in an Islamic state for God's sake. Plenty of Christians would get just as upset if she had named a teddy bear Jesus. She is an idiot and doesn't need to teaching anybody anything.
edit: oops. sorry. I just saw the thread about this in politics. sorry.
snowblind
12-02-2007, 12:05 AM
the most retarded thing about thisis A the teddy was named after the students and B there is a child with the name mohamed in the class.
why werent the childrens parents in prisioned for making him a deity.
i swear down there best be troops there to escort her home. cus if it goes wrong there will be hell to pay
RadioHead
12-02-2007, 01:02 AM
LOL, I just ordered a bunch of shirts over this whole thing, nice to see y'all are on top of this too! :thumbsup:
Check out the graphic: (msg me if u wanna score one.)
Breukelen advocaat
12-02-2007, 05:20 AM
It's clear that the extremists are looking for any and every excuse to persecute outsiders. Some scholars and other influential people from the moderate factions of the Muslim community are speaking up. Hopefully, the teacher got the hint and will go back to Britain as soon as she is released from prison.
Muslims: Teddy Bear Protesters Don't Represent Us
Muslim Moderates Speak Out Against the Conviction of a British Teacher in Sudan
Dec. 1, 2007 ??
A Sudanese court convicted a British teacher this week of insulting Islam, and sentenced her to 15 days in prison, followed by deportation.
Her crime was allowing her students to name a teddy bear Muhammad.
In Sudan, thousands of angry protestors have hit the streets, carrying clubs and knives, calling for her execution, furious at what think is a lenient sentence. The incident has outraged many in the West who cannot understand the severity of her crime.
Moderate Muslims have been swift to condemn the events in Sudan. Daisy Khan, director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement, spoke to Bill Weir on "Good Morning America Weekend Edition" about how a school project escalated into a crisis over the Christian and Muslim cultural divide and why it should be seen only as fringe extremism.
Heresy or 'Faux Pas'?
"What we're looking at here is a cultural 'faux pas,' and there's a political undercurrent that's running through this furor," said Khan.
She rejected the idea that naming the Teddy Bear Muhammad was inherently blasphemous.
"There is nothing sacred about the name Muhammad and anybody can use that," she said.
The teacher, Gillian Gibbons, 54, named the bear Muhammad at the request of one of the boys in her class who wanted to name it after himself.
Muhammad is the most popular name for Muslim children. Typically, the name is reserved for people, but protestors feel that nonetheless Gibbons took the prophet's name in vain and have turned her into a symbol of Western malice.
"I think that what we're looking at is a difference of cultural expression," Khan said, "because most Muslims revere their prophets and don't name their prophets in vain.
Calls for Moderation
Khan rejected the idea that the protestors' actions were appropriate for devout believers.
"The Sudanese people need to be reminded that the prophet always said that the greatest gift you can give your children is the gift of education," Khan said.
In the United Kingdom, Muslim leaders were horrified about the incident.
"It's very, very sad, very embarrassing for us," said Dr. Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, leader of the Muslim Parliament in Great Britain, earlier this week. "The Muslim community here has also expressed that this is simply unacceptable behavior from the Sudanese government, and I think the Sudanese have got to realize that this episode is doing immense damage to their credibility outside."
Even in the Sudan, Islamic leaders have been speaking out.
"The greatest scholar in Sudan, Dr. Hassan al-Turabi, has himself condemned this," Khan said. "I think that's an indication that Muslims no longer want to remain silent and do not believe in these extremist views."
The AP contributed reporting to this article.
Copyright © 2007 ABC News Internet Ventures
ABC News: Muslims: Sudan Protests Don't Represent Us (http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=3940765&page)
RadioHead
12-02-2007, 10:00 AM
They're recognizing that its gone too far. Moderation and tolerance must happen, for the sake of their image as a whole.
Ozarks
12-02-2007, 12:57 PM
Please try to get it right I do not hate America just American interference in countries that don't abide by Americas ideas of what is right and wrong.
This thread has nothing to do with America, but of course you don't care and can't comment on anything with out comparing it to some evil you see in America. The woman is from ENGLAND....HELLO
What gives the US the right to dictate to others ?
As I have already said in previous posts "hasn't Bush already proclaimed that it's the CHRISTIAN duty to oppose their (muslims) evil ideas"?
Again this is propaganda hate that you spew out nonstop, that has nothing to do with subject. The woman in question is an "aid worker" from ENGLAND...HELLO, but of course in your dark, sick, hateful mind the facts are not important, because you just know it's the evil, Bush, Christian, Americans fault.
Religious zealots are a plague that has no place in modern society but creating martyrs by killing your enemies will only lead to more violence.
I would be happy to see all religious groups wipe each other out .
So, killing is OK as long it's you anti-religious zealots killing the people YOU hate.
However in this case of the teacher who went to a Muslim country and didn't even do some basic research about the laws then all I can say is "stupid bloody woman".
The lesson that the woman from ENGLAND...HELLO was teaching was how "voting in a democracy worked".
Yea, the evil, Bush, Christan's of America let some "aid worker" from ENGLAND...HELLO go to Sudan and and gave a lesson to some 7 year olds how a majority of human beings on this planet choose their leaders in the 21st century.
Oh, the inhumanity of it, them bloody evil Americas.:D
Like I said you're stuck in a rut,boy.
psychocat
12-02-2007, 01:35 PM
America has Christian fanatics calling for the death of any woman who dares to have an abortion , should we nuke the Bible belt too ?
This is NOT anti American if anything it is anti religion .
PharmaCan
12-02-2007, 03:51 PM
Absolutely too many people live in their own world completely ignorant of other cultures.
Good point! So why are the muslim savages exempt from knowing about and respecting other cultures?
Why is it only Western cultures that are supposed to accommodate other cultures? Shouldn't this be a two-way street?
Why must America and Europe allow millions of muslims to live in our countries when they have no intention of assimilating to our cultures?
This catering to the muslims is soooo much bullshit. In the real world, you're only supposed to get out what you put in. I get really sick and tired of hearing about how everyone in the world should kiss muslim ass. It's political correctness run amok.
jmo
PC :smokin:
RUTBpiping
12-02-2007, 04:55 PM
Good point! So why are the muslim savages exempt from knowing about and respecting other cultures?
Why is it only Western cultures that are supposed to accommodate other cultures? Shouldn't this be a two-way street?
Why must America and Europe allow millions of muslims to live in our countries when they have no intention of assimilating to our cultures?
This catering to the muslims is soooo much bullshit. In the real world, you're only supposed to get out what you put in. I get really sick and tired of hearing about how everyone in the world should kiss muslim ass. It's political correctness run amok.
jmo
PC :smokin:
Its having respect for others than yourselves but anyway.
RadioHead
12-02-2007, 05:20 PM
Good point! So why are the muslim savages exempt from knowing about and respecting other cultures?
Why is it only Western cultures that are supposed to accommodate other cultures? Shouldn't this be a two-way street?
Why must America and Europe allow millions of muslims to live in our countries when they have no intention of assimilating to our cultures?
This catering to the muslims is soooo much bullshit. In the real world, you're only supposed to get out what you put in. I get really sick and tired of hearing about how everyone in the world should kiss muslim ass. It's political correctness run amok.
jmo
PC :smokin:;)
How much should we tolerate the intolerant? :wtf:
psychocat
12-02-2007, 09:27 PM
I didn't have time to adress these points earlier so:
This thread has nothing to do with America, but of course you don't care and can't comment on anything with out comparing it to some evil you see in America. The woman is from ENGLAND....HELLO
Read the whole thread and you will find this
This is a problem that could be sorted out with a well placed nuclear bomb.
NCM
So I asked about the bible belt as an example of extreme Christianity, which you then took to mean all Americans.
Again this is propaganda hate that you spew out nonstop, that has nothing to do with subject. The woman in question is an "aid worker" from ENGLAND...HELLO, but of course in your dark, sick, hateful mind the facts are not important, because you just know it's the evil, Bush, Christian, Americans fault.
See Above
So, killing is OK as long it's you anti-religious zealots killing the people YOU hate.
I never said anything about killing anyone , I said it would be better if they all killed each other (they do it anyway) and the only real problem is that innocents get caught in the middle.
The lesson that the woman from ENGLAND...HELLO was teaching was how "voting in a democracy worked".
Well then she should've educated herself on the laws and customs of the country she was making her home.
Yea, the evil, Bush, Christan's of America let some "aid worker" from ENGLAND...HELLO go to Sudan and and gave a lesson to some 7 year olds how a majority of human beings on this planet choose their leaders in the 21st century.
Oh, the inhumanity of it, them bloody evil Americas.:D
Like I said you're stuck in a rut,boy.
My dislike of the Bush regime is no secret but as I have asked before does my dislike of a small group of Americans make me anti-American ?
That's about as logical as saying because I don't like rap then I must be anti-music.
Please try looking at the context before spouting such drivel.
Thank You.
Ozarks
12-02-2007, 11:31 PM
Read the whole thread and you will find this
And that has what to do with America, stop pointing the finger at some else to justify your propaganda
So I asked about the bible belt as an example of extreme Christianity, which you then took to mean all Americans.
And that has what to with this thread, again you see EVERYTHING through a I hate America, America is bad lens. Comparing Christan's in America to these Muslim thugs, could you possibly be any more obtuse about a people and/or country that you are sure you know and are so opinionated about
I never said anything about killing anyone ,
You didn't
I said it would be better if they all killed each other (they do it anyway) and the only real problem is that innocents get caught in the middle.
So killing is OK as long you don't like the people being killed.
Well then she should've educated herself on the laws and customs of the country she was making her home.
Ya, and the 20 seven years who voted to name the teddy bear Mohamed they should be lashed too, after all they live there, whats their excuse.
In this one thread you have bad mouthed
Bush,
"hasn't Bush already proclaimed that it's the CHRISTIAN duty to oppose thier (muslims) evil ideas"?
When did he say that ?
Christan's
I would be happy to see all religious groups wipe each other out
Again Killing is OK by you.
America
American interference in countries that don't abide by Americas ideas of what is right and wrong.
What gives the US the right to dictate to others ?
America has nothing to do with it, try and focus.
As disgusting as it is, you've even manged to insult the victim of this hateful intolerance
then all I can say is "stupid bloody woman"
Please try looking at the context
I have looked at the "context" and you have blamed everyone and everything except the hateful 9th century mentality that is responsible for this
before spouting such drivel.Thank You.
When you can't discuss a subject without your every statement be polluted and colored by your bias and hate.. that's "drivel"
psychocat
12-03-2007, 12:14 AM
A I stand by all I have said
B You took my reference to the Christian Extreme (The bible preachs violence) to mean all Americans and then you take the liberty of using my response to your deluded idea that I somehow meant all Americans to justify your anti America obsession.
A smart traveller does research on thier destination and everyone has a duty to themselves to always know what you are getting yourself into.
And as an end note I would like to say that if nutters want to kill each other and it doesn't affect anyone but the nutters then let them get on with it , unfortunately the reality is that it isn't just the nutters getting killed , it's innocents too .
So as far as I can see , until the world forgets religious bullshit we are always going to have one culture facing off another.
The only other option is to live and let live and I really don't see that happening too soon.
If you intend carrying on this farce of a discussion about wether I am anti American or not could we take it here http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/81696-anti-american-8.html
Nightcrewman
12-03-2007, 10:23 AM
At last common sense has prevailed she is being released early according to this mornings news.
NCM
Silent Wolf
12-03-2007, 11:31 AM
At last common sense has prevailed she is being released early according to this mornings news.
NCMIt was because the Sudanese got word that the SAS were on their way to dish out some serious abuse!:D
psychocat
12-03-2007, 02:27 PM
She has been granted a presidential pardon which means this storm in a teacup can now be left to the obscurity it deserves.
It does however highlight the importance of knowing the culture you decide to make yourself part of .
Breukelen advocaat
12-03-2007, 05:49 PM
She's might be sorry she didn't get whipped, as she probably would have made a fortune from interviews, personal appearances, articles and book deals.
Gillian, the teacher who was arrested for blasphemy, was likely very well paid to teach. She only started teaching in Sudan in August 2007.
Gillian had been working at the school -- popular with wealthy Sudanese and expatriates -- since August, after leaving her position as deputy head teacher at a primary school in Liverpool this summer, said the head of Unity High School, Robert Boulos.
Now it turns out that this whole incident was sparked by a grudge-bearing ex-employee, in an effort to close down the school, who reported the teacher's alleged heresy to the authorities.
Grudge sparked teddy bear crisis - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/12/03/sudan.school/)
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