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MVP

11-26-2007, 01:09 AM

Ok folks, I can't tell you that this is how it works perfectly but this is how I cloned my Master Kush babes today...

First, assembled the necessities:
1. mother plant
2. razor blade
3. rapid rooter type cubes
4. rooting hormone
5. cup of Reverse Osmosis water
6. isopropyl alcohol

NOTE: make sure that you have all of your supplies together before you start or else you will be sorry....

Open the new razor blade and clean it off with the alcohol. Make sure you have leached the mother plant with copius amounts of water every day for a few days before cloning the plants.

Hennessy1414

11-26-2007, 01:28 AM

MVP

11-26-2007, 01:34 AM

Now what you need to do is pick a healthy growing shoot that has at least a couple of sets of leaves within the top 2 inches of the shoot. I cut this branch about 6 inches below the top of the shoot and place into the cup of RO water. You want to place the cut immediately into the water so that a bubble does not develop on the end that prevents the new cut from "breathing".

Repeat a number of times until you no longer have good looking shoots to turn into cuttings. Once you have the cuts in the cup of water you will wanna be prepared to cut off the lower branches and scarify (scrape) the stem, dip into the rooting solution/gel and insert into the growing medium.

Next step: preparing the cuts for the medium

MVP

11-26-2007, 01:37 AM

cool man. shouldn't you be taking cuttings in the last two weeks of flower?

No, it is best to take cuts when the mom is in veg, not in flower....

Weedhound

11-26-2007, 01:43 AM

OOooooo like it so far MVP....PICS!! :thumbsup:

MVP

11-26-2007, 01:49 AM

Take the medium and prepare a hole for the new cut. I always turn the grow cube/rockwool/root cube over and poke my own hole using a toothpick, cuz the original hole is way too friggin big for how I do the cuts.

Next trim down the cuts from the apprx. 6 inches to maybe 3 inches or so, plus or minus, and trim off the nodes necessary to get them to this size. Any bigger and they will not hold up well/stand up in the cube/plug/etc.

OK folks, it is Sushi time, gotta run for a bit but I'll finish later......

Opie Yutts

11-26-2007, 05:59 AM

Looking real good so far. How are you keeping that mother? Is that a DWC? I've been wanting to get my moms out of dirt, but not sure the best way to go about it. How was sushi?

MVP

11-26-2007, 08:21 AM

Looking real good so far. How are you keeping that mother? Is that a DWC? I've been wanting to get my moms out of dirt, but not sure the best way to go about it. How was sushi?

Yes it is DWC, in a 3 gallon container from Target. Sushi was awesome.

C'mon down to OC and I'll get you the best sushi on the South Coast...

Opie Yutts

11-26-2007, 08:27 AM

Lived in OC for 12 years. Got my first taste of sushi there. I miss a lot of things about that place.

MVP

11-26-2007, 08:40 AM

Hello again,

Time to elaborate.......

Make a 45 degree cut on the stem and scarify (scrape) the stem to expose the tender flesh to the rooting hormone. It will make it easier for the plant to grow roots thru the newly scraped flesh.

Either dip the newly cut piece into the rooting hormone or brush it on the stem. NOTE: do NOT just dip into the container as you will contaminate the gel/solution. Brush it on to the scraped root stem (like I did with a toothpick) or put it into a new container and dip it there...

MVP

11-26-2007, 08:41 AM

Lived in OC for 12 years. Got my first taste of sushi there. I miss a lot of things about that place.

A lotta things suck about here, but it ain't the sushi.. Just don't talk to me about the law enforcement or MMJ laws......

MVP

11-26-2007, 08:44 AM

Weedhound, you with me here? I hope so cuz I anticipate this will get you over your fears........

MVP

11-26-2007, 09:20 AM

NOTE: IF USING ROCKWOOL - soak it in 5.5 PH water about an hour or so to neutalize you medium..........

Now that ya made the cut, scraped the stem and dipped it in hormone, you are ready to stick it in the hole... the same one you made with a toothpick, not the "factory" hole... that one is usually too big and won't support the root and shield it from the environment (air) around it.....

So.... take the root cube (or like medium) and insert the new cut into the toothpick hole you made earlier... if you are using rockwool, you should have soaked it in 5.5 PH water about an hour or so to neutalize you medium. Insert it until it sits firmly into the hole but be careful not to force it in and break the stem.

MVP

11-26-2007, 09:36 AM

Now you will want to cut the leaves in half to restrict transpiration. Pull out the scissors or clippers and cut the leaves as shown in the pics. It will keep the plants from "breathing" too much into their environment.

Now put them into your humidity dome, fog the dome and tray (not the cuts) lightly with a spray of RO water, and keep them under 24/0 light for a week...

If you don't know what to do next or have questions, post and wait for a few hours cuz its late and I gotta get some sleepy time...

g'nite all

MVP
:jointsmile:

Weedhound

11-26-2007, 06:42 PM

Hey those are lovely. :thumbsup: Where do you make your hole.....next to the one already made or do you turn the little thing over and make a hole in the bottom?

Weedhound

11-26-2007, 06:45 PM

Another question....i've heard talk about dipping the stem in water to prevent air bubbles or something. Do you do that at all? If so...why? If not...why not?

Any anti-wilt or antifungal spray?

Thanks MVP :)

stinkyattic

11-26-2007, 06:57 PM

Looks excellent. This is a fabulous thread and is getting a sticky in the 'basic' section... let me know if you want it moved back here.

WH, if the mother is properly watered prior to cutting, there should be no risk of bubbles. I saw that comment too about saoking for 10 min in water or whatever... and replied to it... grr... It's ideal to get the cut off the mother and into the rooting gel as fast as humanly possible.

Weedhound

11-26-2007, 07:03 PM

Well hydro.....watering?

stinkyattic

11-26-2007, 07:08 PM

So you can assume that a hydro mother is plenty turgid already, lol.
Even hydro growers often keep dirty girls for mothers though, so just a bit of a hint for those of us with perlite ground into the carpet...

Weedhound

11-26-2007, 07:28 PM

I am already having nightmares.....:eek:

PharmaCan

11-26-2007, 08:12 PM

I don't know if you want my $.02 on your thread MVP, but I'm going to put in a plug for Clonex here. When I clone, which I do on a regular basis, I always use Clonex liquid (I guess they make a gel too?) mixed 10ml/ltr as per package instructions. Rapid Rooters get soaked for a couple hours in the solution; rockwool is soaked overnight. I keep the solution at pH 5.5 and correct it to pH 5.5 before I put the cutting into the rockwool or Rapid Rooter.

I then put a couple of liters of the Clonex solution in a big bowl and, like you, start cutting away and putting the cuttings in the solution as I go. (If I'm doing 80 clones, I'd go out of my mind, and kill my back, if I couldn't do an assembly line like process. ...and if 3% of them die, I couldn't care less.)

Other than the Clonex and the soaking, I'm basically using the same procedure you have here. The clones I take come from bigger mothers, so I have to enlarge the hole in RRs with a screwdriver, but the process is otherwise the same. Oh, when I cut the leaves, I gently squeeze the base of the fan leaf so that the individual leaves are stacked and then cut the entire leaf with one cut. It just makes the operation a little quicker.

Here's a pic of a clone's roots six days after I cut it from the mother.

Very good instructions M.V.P. :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

MVP

11-26-2007, 09:48 PM

Hey those are lovely. :thumbsup: Where do you make your hole.....next to the one already made or do you turn the little thing over and make a hole in the bottom?

I turned them over and poked a smaller hole in the bottom, that way it is less likely to separate or deteriorate over time.

Another question....i've heard talk about dipping the stem in water to prevent air bubbles or something. Do you do that at all? If so...why? If not...why not?

Any anti-wilt or antifungal spray?

I dip them in water to keep them all perky and huddled together in case I get distracted from them for a few hours. Small chance of a bubble developing regardless but that is how I always have done it....

I have never used anti-fungals, and never tried an anti-wilt, but it looks like I should give the anti wilt a shot.

MVP

11-26-2007, 09:53 PM

Opie Yutts

11-26-2007, 10:44 PM

I don't use an antiwilt, nor do I mist my cuttings or dome, except occasionally as I am putting them in the cloner. That is only if the ones in the cloner start looking a little droopy before I am done. My problem is too much moisture in my humidity dome, not too little. I use an antifungal. This will vary in necessity from system to system. Also as I take cuttings from the mother I submerge them in cold water. That way as I am cloning they stay nice and perky, even down to the last one, and if they were not real perky to begin with they will become so. You want the cut to be submerged as soon as it is cut, and you want to keep it that way until the last possible moment. If the cut dries out in the least, you might as well chuck the cutting. It aint going to undry. I've never seen it, but it could also get an embolism, or air bubble in it, blocking any moisture uptake through the stem.

Nice going so far MVP.

Opie Yutts

11-26-2007, 10:46 PM

PC, I'm with MVP. That's a nice-looking root mass. I'm assuming you scarify since I've never seen a root ball like that without doing so. Yes? No?

Hennessy1414

11-26-2007, 11:20 PM

PC, I'm with MVP. That's a nice-looking root mass. I'm assuming you scarify since I've never seen a root ball like that without doing so. Yes? No?

that method kicks ass man :rastasmoke:

PharmaCan

11-27-2007, 01:59 AM

Damn PC, love those roots! To me I tried the gel that the hydro fella recommended cuz its new and I like to experiment. I have heard great things about Clonex so I will give it a shot next time I need to buy supplies.

Looks like the gals are wilting today, do you apply an anti-wilt when you do your cuts? I never have but think I need to try it. Let me know if you have a recommendation...

MVP
:jointsmile:

Clonex makes a rooting gel, but that's not what I'm talking about. Clonex LIQUID is used in conjunction with a cloning gel/powder, not instead of. I use "Green Light" rooting powder - $3.50 at Lowe's.

I've never used wilt pruf - never needed it. I have a special clone cab. I put the trays w/domes inside the clone cab, keep the inside of the domes well misted and keep the temps in the 80's. Anything that doesn't survive is a wimp and I don't want it anyway.

PC :smokin:

Hennessy1414

11-27-2007, 02:05 AM

Anything that doesn't survive is a wimp and I don't want it anyway.

PC :smokin:

hahahhaha:rastasmoke:

PharmaCan

11-27-2007, 02:10 AM

PC, I'm with MVP. That's a nice-looking root mass. I'm assuming you scarify since I've never seen a root ball like that without doing so. Yes? No?

Oh yeah, I scarify - and I slice the stem up through my slanted cut.

Just to clarify, when I take cuttings and put them in water, they have lots of extra stem. When I put them in the RR, I scarify, make another cut (at a spot that is going to put the maximum number of nodes inside the RR), cut up the stem a little, dip in the Clonex solution, roll in the rooting powder and into the RR. It takes about ten seconds and I don't have to worry about any air bubble or embolism voodoo 'cuz it's a new cut just seconds before it's done and in the RR or rockwool.

PC :smokin:

MVP

11-27-2007, 03:34 AM

Yo H-

Take a look at this pic (http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/basic-growing/167613d1196066133-clone-log-cloning-pics-using-master-kush-mom-2718.jpg) from earlier in the thread. Scarifying is gently scraping the outer stem with the blade to expose soft matter that will root more effectively....

MVP

Hennessy1414

11-27-2007, 04:23 AM

MVP

11-27-2007, 04:46 AM

Yeah, I gently scrape all the way around the bottom 1/2 to 3/4 inch of the cutting.

Hennessy1414

11-27-2007, 05:20 AM

Yeah, I gently scrape all the way around the bottom 1/2 to 3/4 inch of the cutting.

woords so im gonna put about 30-50 of these beauty's under a rapid rooter dome with rapid rooter clone cubes. using dutch master cloning gel. should work out fine. the second i transplant them to 12 ounce soda bottles they will be off to the races:yippee:.
b.t.w. i kno is prolly here somewhere but if u use the method im gonna do how long should it be till i harvest?:rastasmoke:

imma follow this clone guide since the results were SOOOOO huge under just simple CFL's
International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - Compact SOG with CFL's (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=69713&page=1&pp=15)
+1 to CFL's

Opie Yutts

11-27-2007, 09:47 AM

Anything that doesn't survive is a wimp and I don't want it anyway.

Now there's the attitude. I use that one too.

Opie Yutts

11-27-2007, 10:04 AM

stinky how can you allow someone to disrespect a fellow grower like that.

Mods don't stop people from dissing each other. That's a load of crap anyway. I can't stand people running around getting all bent out of shape because someone didn't pay respect. Why the hell should anyone care if not every person in the world respects them. And did you do anything to make said person respect you? In my neck of the woods respect is given to those that show above average character or something like that. It's earned, not automatically given, that's what I'm saying. Nome sane?

I'm not directing this at anyone in particular. I just had a chance to share one of my pet peeves.

Opie Yutts

11-27-2007, 10:16 AM

b.t.w. i kno is prolly here somewhere but if u use the method im gonna do how long should it be till i harvest?

Well allow at least two weeks to root properly, then you can start feeding them a little. If you go to bud immediately, depending on the strain, you could harvest in as little as 6 or 7 weeks. Of course your harvest would be bigger if you gave them a little veg time.

stinkyattic

11-27-2007, 12:19 PM

Hey everyone I've cleaned up this thread.
Again, please be aware of your surroundings, and that means reading the forums and knowing the status of threads...
Yes, only mods can 'stick' a thread.
Once a thread is stuck, treat it as a manual and make an EXTRA special attempt to stay on topic so that future nOObs aren't confused!
Thanks all.

Okay back to the subject, the tough love approach is important to me too. I get 100% survival but at the end of 2 weeks that dome is comin' OFF and anyone with wussy rooting will probably end up dead in this dry winter air. I don't like to waste time re-potting a clone that is going to sit there and do nothing.

If you don't get a node, scarification is of utmost importance. You don't NEED to have a node in the plug; it is MUCH MUCH easier and faster, but a plant that is not giving you cloneable shoots as fast as you'd like can be stretched by raising the lights and you cna then take advantage of the lengthened internodes for cuts. The side shoucl be scraped lightly before dipping to expose the soft tissue where the undifferentiated cells you're after are concentrated.

Opie Yutts

11-27-2007, 09:21 PM

Yeah, I gently scrape all the way around the bottom 1/2 to 3/4 inch of the cutting.

I don't know why my post addressing this would get axed, but I truly wanted to know if you scrape all the way around down to the whitish stuff. I've never heard of this before, and I wanted to know if I've been doing things wrong or missing some advantage. I know trees need at least a little strip of bark to survive, and I kinda thought it would be the same with the clone for some reason.

Notice how stinky says The side shoucl be scraped lightly before dipping. I take this to mean one side. I know that some people do two sides, but I thought that was more dangerous for some reason. It seems like I read that somewhere.

Just a little confused over here.

1) Should I be scraping all the way around?
2) Should I be scraping around a node instead of the stem, or one side of it, and should I have the node in the cloner?
3) Why did my question about this get deleted?

:confused: :what: :confused:

Opie Yutts

11-27-2007, 09:24 PM

Once a thread is stuck, treat it as a manual and make an EXTRA special attempt to stay on topic so that future nOObs aren't confused!

I've never thought about that before, but that does seem kind of important to keep in mind.

Thanks stinky, and sorry for my little off topic rant there.

MVP

11-27-2007, 11:25 PM

I don't know why my post addressing this would get axed, but I truly wanted to know if you scrape all the way around down to the whitish stuff. I've never heard of this before, and I wanted to know if I've been doing things wrong or missing some advantage. I know trees need at least a little strip of bark to survive, and I kinda thought it would be the same with the clone for some reason.

Notice how stinky says The side shoucl be scraped lightly before dipping. I take this to mean one side. I know that some people do two sides, but I thought that was more dangerous for some reason. It seems like I read that somewhere.

Just a little confused over here.

1) Should I be scraping all the way around?
2) Should I be scraping around a node instead of the stem, or one side of it, and should I have the node in the cloner?
3) Why did my question about this get deleted?

:confused: :what: :confused:

I scarify the entire bottom of the stem. I hold it in my hand and twist it gently while scraping. I carefully scrape where I slice off the node too as I figure that the more tender flesh that is expose the more future roots will develop. :dance:

MVP

11-28-2007, 03:14 AM

Sorry All to those that may be looking for constant updates. As it goes in my world, I have a tough nute def. that is kicking my butt and the girls that are approaching their final moments are much more at the front of my mind than those that are just starting out.

MVP

pudder

11-28-2007, 03:37 AM

liken the guide man. I took 10 clones from my plants and only had 6 survive. :( oh well guess i don't want them anyways.

just wanted to say nice job man.

Opie Yutts

11-28-2007, 05:25 AM

I took 10 clones from my plants and only had 6 survive.

That don't seem right. I can count on about 98% success. Perhaps it's my cheapo aerocloner, I don't know. I would like to know what you are doing different. Why would you have such a low success rate? Any ideas?

Rock.Steady

11-29-2007, 06:29 AM

if this is turning into a sticky on cloning, should we be adding short, fact-packed lil blurbs to add to the value of the thread?
altho not the expert these guys are, my simple, positive experience may be useful?
guys?:wtf:

lemme kno.

MVP

11-29-2007, 06:43 AM

That don't seem right. I can count on about 98% success. Perhaps it's my cheapo aerocloner, I don't know. I would like to know what you are doing different. Why would you have such a low success rate? Any ideas?

Opie, I would like to see some add'l details on your cheapo cloner. Do ya think a quick add to the thread is in order? Don't look at it as taking over - and if you do I don't care - just adding to the knowledge base since this we are now stickified.

if this is turning into a sticky on cloning, should we be adding short, fact-packed lil blurbs to add to the value of the thread?
altho not the expert these guys are, my simple, positive experience may be useful?
guys?:wtf:

lemme kno.

Rock, I doubt we are all pros here, but we are folks that experiment and wanna learn and share what we found out - Mad Scientists of sorts. Post some of what you have experienced - relating directly to the topic as you implied - and lets grow this thread into something bigger and better.

MVP :pimp:

Opie Yutts

11-29-2007, 05:25 PM

Opie, I would like to see some add'l details on your cheapo cloner. Do ya think a quick add to the thread is in order?

Perhaps in the near future. Gotta go buy a winch right now.

Weedhound

11-30-2007, 02:51 PM

A winch?? Nobody mentioned we would need a winch for cloning!! I'd like an explanation before I run out and buy my clones a winch. :D

Opie Yutts

11-30-2007, 11:41 PM

Well it's for LST on my big weed tree. The only way to pull the branches down is to use a winch.

Algag

12-02-2007, 06:09 PM

Hi all. I think the only thing that isnt really mentioned here is the "humidity dome". Can someone give a little info as to what this is and if it is necessary? Im running a closet grow so I dont have much room, and I would like to work with some clones soon.

Opie Yutts

12-02-2007, 07:44 PM

It's pretty necessary, but I suppose you could get by without it if you continuously blast them with a humidifier, or constantly mist them, while using an antiwilt. Fresh cuttings don't have roots anymore, so they have to get the required moisture through the leaves, which requires humidity. A humidity dome can be something as simple as a clear Tupperware container, 100 pack CD container, or an extra clear tub the same size as your cloner tub.

Hennessy1414

12-04-2007, 05:30 AM

new pics of the clones?:rastasmoke:

MVP

12-05-2007, 08:19 PM

Here are a few pictures of my closet setup that some might find helpful and/or interesting. This is a picture of the entire cloning and mother area of my grow. Picture shows the following: Cloning tray w/ humidity dome on Left, lit by a 2' fluorescent fixture with (2) 20W daylight bulbs that runs 24/0; Mother area with Bonzai Mums on top right; Clone transition area on lower right. Click on the pic to see full size version.

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This is the close up of the Mums section In this section the space is 24 in x 24 in x 36 in tall. It is lit by 2 CFL fixtures each running (2) 23W daylight CFL bulbs on a 18/6 light cycle. Click on the pic to see full size version.

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Here is the clone transition area, where they are developing roots before being moved along. This section is 24 in x 24 in x 27 in tall. It is lit by a 2' fluorescent fixture with (2) 20W daylight bulbs that run 18/6 light cycle. The clones are kept in an Emily's Garden (aka DWC Bubbler). Click on the pic to see full size version.

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For those wondering, I have a small number of plants since I am growing for MMJ needs only and am resticted to a small number of plants by state law. For mothers I have Black Domina, Dabney Blueberry, Master Kush, and Super Skunk.

MVP :jointsmile:

Weedhound

12-06-2007, 12:42 AM

Are these all in a section of one bigger grow space and blocked off from each other?

The emily's garden thing.....no issues with roots tangling together as the clones grow....supppose if they don't have any roots its no problem. Curious.....how long does it take the clones to grow roots to the point that they would start tangling together?

How many plants do generally flower at one time?

MVP

12-06-2007, 02:54 AM

WH, Here's the lowdown on your Q's:

1) Are these all in a section of one bigger grow space and blocked off from each other?
The Moms/cloning/transition area is the right half of my closet in the spare room. This room is kept off limits to others, but is used for storage and keeping all my grow projects in a single part of the house. It is literally a closet grow... The left half of the closet is the flower room and measures 42 in x 24 in x 7 ft tall. The grow areas are separated by several layers of black visqueen, using Panda as the inside layer facing the girls. I (cheated ;) and) purchased a HydroHut to use for vegging - it can be seen in the background... Check out the pics below

2) The emily's garden thing.....no issues with roots tangling together as the clones grow....supppose if they don't have any roots its no problem?
Emily's Garden is made by HydroFarm, and it is what some peeps model their own homemade DWC bubbler after (like me, Opie, et al). My clones grow in there for 2-4 weeks, depending on availability of other (limited) growing areas so they do have roots but not enough to worry about them growing together too much and causing problems. :thumbsup:

3) Curious.....how long does it take the clones to grow roots to the point that they would start tangling together?
It's been my personal experience that the roots can grow together after approx. 4-6 weeks after being introduced into this type of a setup. Your mileage may vary as results depend upon strain, health, and grower ability. In short they are out of there and in their perm. home before they get tangled up together. (I know how you like pics so I shot a couple of the girls that have been in there approx 2 weeks +/-) :)

4) How many plants do generally flower at one time?
This is an individual grower call. Last time I grew 2 Dominas in one of these type of homemade DWC contraptions that had a much bigger res (Emily = 2 gal, McGyver version = 6 gal), next to another identical DIY bubbler that held 3 Blueberry. After vegging 4 weeks and flowering 8 weeks the roots were tangled like a rat's nest... but not a big deal as they were intended to be vegged and flowered together as I did...

BTW, I got 4.25 oz from the Domina and 2.75 oz from the Blueberry even after encountering 100 F summer heat and colas falling over before trichomes signaled it was harvest time. And this was my first grow in 15 years or so. :woohoo:

Opie Yutts

12-06-2007, 03:04 AM

Wow that is really cool. Brings tears to my eyes when I see an Emily's Garden in action. Reminds me of my first and my current grow. And your whole set up reminds me of mine. I want to get some pictures of it up, but it's all tore apart again, and I got that lst emilys garden thing going in my flower section.

Thanks for a glimpse into the lives of the plants of MVP.

MVP

12-06-2007, 03:20 AM

Yeah Opie, this growing thing is a real hobby/addiction. I enjoy it a lot and like sharing with others to help them learn. Emily is a great transition spot for my clones - with the McGyver DWC it is deeper and suspends the net pots more, thereby allowing the roots to tangle easier. I find using old Em for this stage she is perfect to get the job done!

Stay tuned for a Black Domina DWC log, hopefully in the next week or two when I kick my Nute Def girls out of the flower closet and go for my first official SCROG...

Weedhound

12-06-2007, 09:47 PM

That looks like a very nice set-up there MVP. :thumbsup: How do you keep all your temps under control?

MVP

12-06-2007, 10:34 PM

Generally speaking it is pretty temperant here so I do not see many wild swings in temperature. However sometimes it is a bit tricky keeping the temps in line. Summer is a bitch since I live near the coast therefore I do not have AC in the house. Winter I run the central heat; summer (and most all year) I vent using a 6" Vortex 449 CFM on a rheostat (dimmer) switch thru the ceiling after neutralizing smelly air with a 8x20 activated carbon filter.

For the little cuts, I place a heating pad underneath the tray/humidity dome to keep the temps a bit higher than room temp. That is pretty much it, although I bought a couple of muffin fans off eBay and use them to vent the individual growing compartments into the ceiling area of the main closet where the Vortex fan/carbon filter empty the room. Fresh air is passive thru an open window/shadow box set up like in Cervantes' book.

I also bought one of those crappy little under desk heaters for around 10 bucks and plan to use it to keep the room temp from fluctuating too much as it gets colder... no need to run central heat all the time with that heater thing on hand.

Rock.Steady

12-07-2007, 09:00 AM

ok, so, im guessin the bowflex is either for LST'in the really large plants, or, for you to get strong enuf to LST the medium ones?
ok, couldnt resist.:D;)

looks like a really cool set up, well organized.:thumbsup:

keep up the great work:thumbsup:

oh btw-i decided to not clutter your log with my experience.

what i will do is say, i agree with all the points raised here.
clean cut.
keep em wet.
scrape the skin off the new hopeful root area.
hormone / rooting product (i used Schultz powder)
dome, yeah, but like every other day take off and let breath.
and i go straight to dirt.

it worked the first time. maybe i got lucky?:wtf:
this time, with flowers, is a lil more complicated.:wtf::wtf:

Opie Yutts

12-07-2007, 10:22 AM

Rock.Steady, I'm sure you're experience is welcome here. I know I'm always happy to get as much info as possible, especially from experienced people. And unless you never get a problem of mold or rot, IMO you need to burp the dome more than once every two days. If you do get mold or rot, you especially want to do it as often as possible. Take the lid all the way off and blow a bunch of lung air into the plants and dome. It also helps to start them hardening by leaving it of as much as possible. But watch carefully for wilting. It don't take long when a plant doesn't have any roots. If the opposite is true and you need more moisture, then be sure to mist with each burping, and/or use an anti wilt spray. Never used it myself.

soobie05

12-08-2007, 08:24 AM

MVP

12-08-2007, 04:15 PM

so a questin of mine is I'm using somthing similar to rockwhool and I noticed the cubes look like their drying out. do I water the block or just don't worry about it. I I water how much or do I just mist the bottom

If you pick up the rockwool cube and its weight is noticably light, then I spray the BOTTOM of the cube to hydrate it... after all I want the roots to reach for moisture.

BTW, how old are the cuts? Do they show any rooting yet?

soobie05

12-09-2007, 12:13 AM

clones are about a week old and I have about 20 going under 20watt flouro annd ina hdome I have no sign of rooting but they are Perkin up! and some leaves are turning yellow is that ok? also some that havesigns of darrrrk spots is that mold? is it safe to cut off or is that stressful. looking to lst some shorties with t5 for my flower I don't have much for for hps. do mh bulbs generate alot of heat? and my last questin where can I get some equipment for cheap?

MVP

12-09-2007, 01:28 AM

Yellowing is normal as they establish roots, dark spots are not. Do you have any pics to post? That would help quite a bit. MH is good for veg, but to flower you really want a HPS, even if you buy a conversion bulb for your MH. If you don't have either one then buy the "Bloom" CFL's that run at 2700 Kelvin. Google for Green Coast Hydro I think it is gchydro.com... they are good guys.

Opie Yutts

12-09-2007, 10:27 AM

quote=soobie05

some leaves are turning yellow is that ok?
Yes it's OK. Not thrilling, but OK. The plant does this because it is eating itself to get some of the nutrients it needs, since it can't get fed through the nonexistent roots. It is completely normal, but hopefully you will have left enough leaves so that there are still some green ones once the cutting gets roots. I don't even cut my leaves in half just for this reason, unless I take a bigger cutting than what is normal for me.

also some that havesigns of darrrrk spots is that mold? is it safe to cut off or is that stressful.
Mold is hairy-looking and rot is dark spots (probably, at least in this case). Either way you don't want it. It spreads rapidly in wet and warm situations, like your humidity dome. Not only is it safe to cut that crap off, but it is highly recommended. Always try to save as much fan leaf as possible, but that stuff has got to come out as soon as you notice it. Also I have noticed that where my cuttings are most likely to get mold is where any foliage touches the lid.

looking to lst some shorties with t5 for my flower I don't have much for for hps. do mh bulbs generate alot of heat?
Do you mean you don't have money for HPS? If you have to choose between the two than you should get HPS instead of MH. That way you can use one for both, but I would still try to get a little blue wavelength in there when vegging, or better yet during veg and bud. The blue spectrums of light produced by MH bulbs are much better suited for vegging plants than HPS, which is much better at flowering. You may want to consider a digital ballast or switchable ballast, so you can have the proper light for different stages of growth with just one ballast (preferably digital). And yes both produce quite a bit of heat. This is the main disadvantage of HID lighting. Plan on spending as much on venting as you do on lighting. That's rough, but a good guideline to start with.

and my last questin where can I get some equipment for cheap?
Actually you should look for the most expensive equipment available. You get what you pay for, there is no doubt in my mind. Of course there are some exceptions, but I mean in general. I know that's not what you want to hear, but the most expensive things are actually the cheapest. I certainly understand a budget however so there's places like Ebay of course, garage sells and Craig's List. Search ol craig if you don't know about it. I think there's also a Weedbay or something, where the auctions are all things weed. Be sure to take shipping into consideration when buying things over the net. Also who takes care of shipping on returns? There's a lot of reasons I like to shop at a hydro store.

rostapharian

12-09-2007, 02:04 PM

can u clone just using water and compost?
:S5:

Opie Yutts

12-10-2007, 06:10 AM

Yes if the compost isn't hot with nutrients. Put your cutting in compost, soak it with PH 6.8 water and don't water again until the soil is almost completely dried out or the cutting begins to wilt. Works for me every time, but for my soil plants I use a good potting soil and 20-25% perlite.

soobie05

12-11-2007, 03:42 AM

wow opie thanks for takin the time timr answer all my questions! i finally have acess to highspeed to post up some pics of what im talkin about. So ill def cut off the rott asap.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g88/kevinislandboy/DSC_0292.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g88/kevinislandboy/DSC_0293.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g88/kevinislandboy/DSC_0294.jpg

MVP

12-11-2007, 03:57 AM

Thanks for the pics - I had imaginged something much worse. The yellowing is to be expected, but definitely cut off the dark sports, conserving as much leaf material as possible.

Opie Yutts

12-11-2007, 06:28 AM

Yeah, I think that's rotten spots, but I'm not 100% positive. Diagnosing plant problems is something I'm not very experienced at. I highly recommend posting the pictures in the plant problem area. Maybe people who have seen it before can tell you for certain, but I would keep cutting off the black spots and leave as much else as possible. If it is mold, you should try to correct the problem instead of treating the symptoms. Get a dehumidifier or water less often, for example.

MVP

12-20-2007, 04:17 AM

Ok, so I cut some shoots and made clones about a month ago, now here is the update. I am showing a pic of the 'transition' bubbler that has 4 Master Kush (MK) clones and a stunted Super Skunk clone (far left, front row). The MK's are growing well now, and the SS is slowly starting to grow. I am keeping the SS there as I want to continue the strain.

BTW, these damn fucking gnats are driving me crazy, as you can tell from the yellow sticky strip on the wall and the No Pest Strip between the pots. Who knows how to get rid of those little fuckers?! They are totally pissing me off and won't go away!!!

Comments? Questions? Let me know...

MVP :jointsmile:

MVP

12-24-2007, 06:23 PM

For anyone that is interested, the clones are being flowered in a separate grow log - http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/145373-flowering-mk-clones-cloning-log.html#post1768649

Here are a couple of sneak preview pics:

Hennessy1414

01-17-2008, 03:51 AM

update?

MVP

01-17-2008, 04:52 AM

Dammit, some of the pics have not returned yet after the system upgrade. Well as an update, here is what they look like after 22 days of 12/12:

Opie Yutts

01-20-2008, 08:33 PM

Looking good. As for the gnats, I don't know what to tell you. I'm really surprised that they come around with that pest strip sitting there. I thought all insects pretty much did their best to stay far away from the powerful insecticide in those.

Man I like seeing pictures of your set ups. Everything is so clean and tidy. Maybe, just maybe someday, way in the future when my grow room is "done", I will be more clean. I've got junk and dead leaves all over the place. OK later. I guess I'll go work on it.

Opie Yutts

01-20-2008, 08:34 PM

Hey wait a minute! You don't clean up just for the pictures, do you?

Rock.Steady

01-20-2008, 08:36 PM

Hey wait a minute! You don't clean up just for the pictures, do you?

its all smoke n mirrors Opie, dont let him fool ya:wtf::D

MVP

01-20-2008, 10:03 PM

Hell no I don't clean up for pictures. But I only have posted pictures of the growing closets/cabinets inside the room, which I keep uncluttered. The actual room is a well organized mess as shown in these "Special Edition" photos....

I do, however, straighten up the room just about every other weekend so I don't invite in pests and mold and that kinda stuff. Don't wanna ruin my weeks/months of hard work by leaving the girls in a nasty, grubby environment.

Rock.Steady

01-20-2008, 10:35 PM

BWAHAHAHAHA!:D

Hell no I don't clean up for pictures.
oh, thats gotta make for some priceless family photos:wtf:

,,,,,,,,,,,,so I don't invite in pests,,,,,,,
i dunno M, i keep my place fairly clean, for a guy, but i get uninvited pests knockin on my door all hours of the day n night:wtf:

yea, i just blazed,LOL! :stoned:

i was just lookin at that pic again.
jeez, u hydro ppl, mountains of jugs.
its a dam jug-o-rama over there:D

-edit#2- i know what MacGuyver would do with your avatar scenario:wtf:

Opie Yutts

01-21-2008, 01:56 AM

The actual room is a well organized mess as shown in these "Special Edition" photos....

Thanks for those special edition photos. I love seeing the more human side of humans. I'd say that until I got into foliar feeding you're catch-all storage area surpasses mine in overall stuff and clutter. Now we are about the same in that respect I suppose.

Opie Yutts

01-21-2008, 01:58 AM

i keep my place fairly clean, for a guy, but i get uninvited pests knockin on my door all hours of the day n night

I think a lot of it has to do with what part of the world you live in, and a whole bunch on humidity. I've found that pests around here don't like a grow with under 30 humidity.

Weedhound

01-21-2008, 03:12 AM

So when the hubby and I were dating he came over for the first time and commented on how clean my place was. I told him yep, I had cleaned it for company. He looked SHOCKED and then said (and I'll never forget this) "Well when you come over to my place I'm not cleaning. I mean, I like you and everything but I'm NOT cleaning the house."

Rock.Steady

01-21-2008, 06:10 AM

,,,,, I mean, I like you and everything but I'm NOT cleaning the house."

now Thats a M-A-N:cool:

Opie Yutts

01-21-2008, 07:31 AM

What about when you go over to his place, and it's your place as well. Does he clean the house then?

Weedhound

01-21-2008, 05:45 PM

Well......my half's fairly clean.....:D

Flameon

01-21-2008, 06:27 PM

Nice work MVP!

Hopefully, I'll get a chance to put some of this into action this year, soon as it stops raining and snowing here anyhow lol.

flame waves to opie and weedhound 'hope you guys are well too!'

MVP

01-29-2008, 05:54 AM

Well it has been a little while since I built anything DIY, and I couldn't fight the bug, so I just built this contraption. I'm gonna post pics and not write up too much, but I will say this: THIS LITTLE DAMN THING IS THE EASIEST CLONING THINGEE I HAVE EVER USED. Virtually foolproof... well at least for the average fool.

The cloner started out as a Sterlite 16 qt clear container with a blue lid. I then covered it with aluminum tape to make it lightproof. Next I drilled 12 holes in the lid and cut some 1/2 in ID clear vinyl tubing into 2.5 in lengths, then I used a hot glue gun to attach the tubing to the lid. I used some weatherstripping to hold the clones in place. Uh wait a second, I am getting ahead of myself. On to some pictures...

MVP

01-29-2008, 06:02 AM

So where was I? :wtf: Oh yeah... more pics so you can see what I have done to put this thing together. I used 2 of the 10 in airstones and some vinyl tubing attached to an air pump to drive the bubbler. I drilled holes at the top of the container so that I don't have to worry about leaks. Also I cut the tubing at an angle (pic 2) to make it easier to feed thru the hole. Once inside I cut it squared off (pic 1) before attaching to the air stones.

MVP

01-29-2008, 06:12 AM

Once I got the lines cut and air stones hooked up I proceeded to load it up with some fresh cuts. I took these off the Bonsai Mums and now I have 6 Master Kush, 4 Black Domina, and 2 Blueberry cuts starting to root. The amazing thing is that I threw this cloner together Saturday afternoon, took cuts Sat. night, and by Monday morning they had started rooting already. Oh BTW, the dome is another Sterlite container turned upside down. Fits perfect.

Here, look for yourself. I'll update with pics in a week when the roots are easier to see. Enjoy... :stoned:

scagster

01-29-2008, 09:25 PM

MVP, I like the new cloner, I think I might build something similar, I'm getting really bored of rapid rooters and they seem to cause the stems to rot more often than not. I haven't ever used or seen an aerocloner being used, so I have a few questions. Do you use just water inside of it, and mix in some rooting hormone? Do you still dip your cuttings in a cloning solution? what is the distance between the surface of the liquid in the cloner, and the bottom of the cuttings? Thanks man :thumbsup:

MVP

01-30-2008, 01:51 AM

Do you use just water inside of it, and mix in some rooting hormone?

I used 3/4 teaspoon of Rootech to every gallon of water. In my case I added 1.5 gal of RO water to the bubbler, mixed the 1.5 teaspoons of Rootech in the remaining .5 gal of water, then combined them all together in the res.

Do you still dip your cuttings in a cloning solution?

Yes, I dip them lightly in the rooting hormone after scarifying (scraping) the stem to expose soft flesh for rooting.

what is the distance between the surface of the liquid in the cloner, and the bottom of the cuttings? Thanks man :thumbsup:

The distance is about 1.5 - 2 inches, probably closer to 1.5 in...

I plan to run the bubbler for the first 4-5 days with the rooting hormone in the water before switching to plain RO with maybe a touch of nutes. I also take the humidity dome off for several hours a day to keep them from wilting too much.

I added an aquarium heater (8 bucks @ Wally World) to bring my res temps up to approx 80 F from 63 F which was too low for my liking...

Opie Yutts

01-30-2008, 02:22 AM

Say it with me class, Cheapo Aero Cloner.

There is nothing better for fantastic results, combined with ease of use, combined with ease of construction, combined with low price.

Nice job MVP. Good craftsmanship as usual.

Hope you don't mind:
(I couldn't find my good photos. To stoned I guess.)

MVP

01-30-2008, 02:42 AM

Hey Opie, great photos.. no really I mean it. It looks like you used the hell out of that thing! :thumbsup:

What do ya bet we could get Mr Hound to build one for Mrs Hound, and that she could tackle her clone-a-phobia? I mean there are no root cubes or peat pots or rockwool. Just water, bubbles, and nutes. Cloning the Hydro Way :D

I wonder if I should take odds on this, or just leave well enough alone..... :smokin:

Weedhound

01-30-2008, 03:55 AM

scagster

01-30-2008, 04:57 AM

I'm sold. I'll put one together this weekend. I've had it with RR's. On a drip system they stay constantly soggy and I've been having stem rot problems. Thank god I saw this, I was just about to cut a new batch of clones and use the last of my rooters up. :thumbsup: Here's roots in less than a week!

Rock.Steady

01-30-2008, 05:14 AM

I'm afraid neither one has the skill to build something that nice.....trust me things like that are better left bought.

That IS very beautifully built MVP...you definitely have a good eye and hands to be able to do it that well. :thumbsup:

ok, so, whatta ya say, let me build one for u as a "Thank You"?

i been going crazy trying to think of some way to Thank You.

lemme kno :D

Rock.Steady

01-30-2008, 07:04 AM

okay, replied to ur email and my insane OCD has kicked into overdrive:thumbsup:

ur gonna luv this,,,,,,to be continued:D

MVP

01-30-2008, 06:12 PM

Sterlite 16 qt container x2 = 6.00
Foil Tape, small roll = 5.00
3 ft 1/2 ID vinyl tubing = 1.50
Hot Glue Gun = 8.00 (@ Harbor Freight)
Weatherstripping = 5.00 (?)
air pump from wally world = 6.00
airstones from wally world = 6.00
air line from wally world = 2.00
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approx cost from scratch = 39.50

Most hydro folks will already have spare parts and tools already, so here is what it cost me to build.

My Actual Costs:
Sterlite 16 qt container x2 = 6.00
3 ft 1/2 ID vinyl tubing = 1.50
----------------------------------
cash spent on my build = 7.50

upgrades (added aquarium heater) = 7.50

MVP :jointsmile:

Weedhound

01-30-2008, 06:34 PM

jealous, jealous. :thumbsup: I'd really LOVE to have that kind of talent. The best I can do MAYBE hook up a tv to the satellite and dvd box or something......and even that would take me some good insructions and an hour or so.

Mr Hound is even worse.....directions, schmirections. :D

Opie Yutts

02-01-2008, 05:42 AM

I'm afraid neither one has the skill to build something that nice.....trust me things like that are better left bought.
Skill? What skill? If you can operate a hand-held drill then you can build one of these. The most difficult part is drilling holes in plastic, which I wouldn't exactly classify as "hard". Come on, you gotta have at least as much faith in yourself as your fellow stoners have in you.

Bought? What bought? You want to buy one for $200 plus, when you can build a nice, 24 site model for under $35? Smaller ones for under $20, or one with room for 2 or 3 cuttings for something like 10 or $12. Okaaaay. (Starting low on the O, high on k, then back to low for the rest.) Must be nice. Maybe someday I won't have to worry about money. And yes, for a slight additional fee, there are aftermarket parts for all the above models, which will aid in the production of improved performance. Just see any one of our customer representatives on duty.

"The cheapo-Aero cloner is a very simple device to build.
It will perform just as well as expensive aero cloners costing hundreds of dollars."
http://www.cannabis.com/growing/advanced_hydroponics-building-a-cheapo-aero-cloning-tub.html (http://www.cannabis.com/growing/advanced_hydroponics-building-a-cheapo-aero-cloning-tub.html)
Follow that link for another nice tutorial with nice shiny pictures showing how to make one for $46, including $15 worth of unnecessary stuff. And I highly recommend using those exact Bubble Curtains instead of air stones for several reasons that I won't get into just now. (Way past time for me to feed my family. Neglectful? I'm a good parent, damn it. sniff)

Lil trivia: the idea has been in this particular galaxy for hundreds of years in some form or another. It seems that 10k, on overgrow.com (God rest it's soul. We will definitely miss it. No offense CanCom, we love you.) seemed to draw a lot of attention to it and really helped get the idea popularized. There was another guy a few years before him too (name?), but seems like he never really got the credit he deserved.

Oh and I just skimmed back and saw Rocks offer to build you one. That's great man, if you don't mind the home made aspect. I would hate to see you shell out x amount when you can have one that's maybe not quite as sparkly, but does the job just as well or better, for a much lower x amount. In fact, I tell you what; If somehow that falls through or whatever, I would be happy to make you a custom one too. Think of it. A new cloner made exactly to your specifications. You want 13 or 29 sites, you got it. You want it taller than wide, you got it. Just pay supplies and shipping and supplies for shipping, if any. I got boxes for free.

I just bought some of those actual professional neoprene inserts with a slit in em, to redo the lid of mine. I anticipate it will make things much more handy and tidy. Would you like that option in yours as well? Could I interest you in some undercoating, or satellite internet and TV with DVD and Playstation3?

Opie Yutts

02-01-2008, 05:44 AM

Opie Yutts

02-01-2008, 05:49 AM

directions, schmirections. :D

:clap::S2::clap:

There's a new one to add to the spell check dictionary.

scagster

02-01-2008, 06:22 AM

I see that small print you rascal!

scagster

02-01-2008, 06:27 AM

This is also funny, I'm going to aero-cloning versus normal cloning; but on the other hand, I'm switching my flowering to soil from hydro due to general inconvenience.

Rock.Steady

02-01-2008, 06:51 AM

hey opie, im doin WH's custom box (sites and size already told me) for zero, zilch, zip, nada, gratis, freebieeeeeeeeeee. and shipping included too:thumbsup:

i owe her a favor, have many skills, and finally have a chance to do something nice for her, as a thank you.

disclaimer-i know she's married

Weedhound

02-01-2008, 07:37 AM

Hey MVP....any chance I could see the inside of your cloner? How many inches or gallons of water do you put into and whats the size of your airpump? Are you running both stones off one airpump? And what kind of a solution are you running in there?

And lastly.....whats are the little white things that the clones are sitting in inside the tubing? And how long is each little section of 1/2 tubing that you stick the clones in?

Opie Yutts

02-01-2008, 07:39 AM

That's cool. It's awesome that we can all help each other out. Coming together in a spirit of harmony. Sharing, giving, teaching and learning. One community in a spirit of thanksgiving, caring, overall unselfishness, and girly, sappy touchy-feely stuff. I am not a commie! Just a little curious what she did for your that's giving you this wet dream. Oh well, none of my bees wax I spose.

Glad you got the skills. I hope you share the experience with us.

I'm just glad she's giving it a go at least somehow. I would hate to see someone spend $53 an hour extra if it wasn't necessary. ($160 wasted minimum, divided by 3 hours work maximum, including but not limited to driving to Walmart, construction, packaging, driving to post office.) What about postage? OK, don't get ticky-tac on me.

Weedhound

02-01-2008, 07:46 AM

I was actually all set to try it this summer......along with promising a better future for all soil seedlings everywhere......since I was going to grow my unsexed stuff in dirt. But anything that will help increase my odds of success with any of that is greatly appreciated and I think it's extremely kind of Rock to offer. My paying off all his old parking tickets has nothing to do with it. :D

MVP

02-01-2008, 07:56 AM

I use a 30-60 gal air pump to run the airstones. I'll post pics and a full answer in the morning...

Weedhound

02-01-2008, 08:22 AM

Actually MVP I reread all and figured it out.....Thanks. :)

Ps....photos of the inside would still be totally cool....thanks.....;)

Rock.Steady

02-01-2008, 12:36 PM

amazingly, more than a year and a half later, after re-titling, and re-registering in another state, and transferring my lisence those idiots are still sending me threatening notices about my outdated registration renewal.:wtf:

lets just say its got lots to do with Galina, and other things ur yet to see,,,but will,,,,,mmmmkay:cool:

Weedhound

02-01-2008, 06:20 PM

Weedhound

02-01-2008, 08:48 PM

MVP are those airstones secured to the bottom of the bubbler somehow or just bouncing around blowing air? And what are the dimensions of your 16 qt container heightwise etc?

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 01:29 AM

MVP I really hope you don't mind me posting these on your thread but it is a cloning thread so I was hoping to get away with it.

Rock is building me a super duper cloner but I figured I'd try something small and slapped together from stuff around the house. (Had no glue gun but ended up not using one ;)) to use until the neato one gets here. I would not have approached it if had not already had everything I needed but Mr Hound and I were kind of bored so....

My cuts are from way underneath on my 6 week flowering church plant. I'm not really expecting much from them as my first tries since I was very slow and clumsy and probably filled them with air embolisms and all sorts of bad voodoo. I also did not have a huge choice of "cuts" to select from.

I DID get the cloning gel on and the cloning solution in the bubbler at recommended strength. What else should I be doing here besides watching ph?

zebulon

02-02-2008, 01:46 AM

I have to say that is a real nice bubble cloner(and nice nail-polish:D)...i think im gonna make one myself...
that "cloning solution" what is it good for? it's a desinfect ??? or some light nute???

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 01:55 AM

Thank you zeb....(the color is ice coffee tyvm) but let me say the little size I built is too small to be practical so fyi...go larger. ;) Mine really only holds two and even then there were issues with leaves bumping into each other etc....

The cloning solution is Clonex liquid mixed in with RO water and I just followed the directions on the back of the bottle and adjusted ph to 5.8. :)

zebulon

02-02-2008, 02:02 AM

You said that those cuts where 6 weeks into flowering....
they still can be "reveggd" so late in flowering??? or this is just an experiment??

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 02:21 AM

They are an expirement BUT I did study up a little bit on cloning a flowering (actually a FINISHED) plant and found that it is doable....cloning a flowering plant NOT a finished plant.....although doable and doable by me are not the same thing. :D

MVP

02-02-2008, 02:29 AM

Hound, awesome experimental cloner! I'm just getting to measuring the stuff I have and I'll post back after dinner... GF's calling, gotta go eat before it gets cold. Tri-Tip tonight...I did the grilling, she's doing the sides. I'll report back in about 45 min or so...

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 02:39 AM

Thanks MVP....this one I hand you the credit for. Thanks for the tutorial. :thumbsup:

MVP

02-02-2008, 03:45 AM

I measured the bubbler cloner and it is 14 in tall (with the dome on), 16 in long, and 11 in wide. Without the dome it stands a smidge over 7 in tall.

Here is what she looks like with the airstones floating around freely (I will attach them with my hot glue gun once clones are rooted). The heater I added a few days ago to bring the res temps up to 75-80 F. I notice that they go above that so I unplug the heater in the morning and plug it back in at night.

If I had a spare timer I would use it but they are all in use right now. Last thing is the air stones are separated with green twist ties so they don't bunch up together.

MVP

02-02-2008, 03:51 AM

What else should I be doing here besides watching ph?

Change the cloning solution to a super weak (1/4 or less) nute solution around day 5 if you like. I'm now on Day 5 and using RO water only, PH of 5.9. I'll change again in 5 days and give them a little bit of nutes.

I expect to have decent roots (like Opie's post earlier) in about 2-3 weeks. It may take me longer though, simply cuz the cuts were as hard as toothpicks when taken from their mums. Neglect is a bummer, but its my own fault...

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 04:12 AM

How warm is too warm for the water? And what kind of things should I be watching for as far as problems go with the cuttings? And if they WERE to survive will they reveg? Didn't you try cloning some of your MKs that were in flower?

MVP

02-02-2008, 04:27 AM

The heater instructions said to unplug if it got over 82 F. I read somewhere that the 75-80 F range is a good target so that is what I am aiming for too. The problems I have seen are yellowing leaves and some leaves brown and die - that is normal. I did cuts from the MK a couple of weeks into Veg and they reverted just fine. Did I mention to keep the clones under 24/0 light? Preferably CFL or fluor tubes. If under a HID keep them several feet away they they don't get burned.

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 04:37 AM

I'm assuming you meant a couple weeks into flower. Thoughts on what those buds are going to do in that humid enviroment? Should I cut them off?

Rock.Steady

02-02-2008, 04:41 AM

hey, nice job WH.:thumbsup:

i'll have pics for you soon.:cool:

MVP

02-02-2008, 04:45 AM

I'm assuming you meant a couple weeks into flower. Thoughts on what those buds are going to do in that humid enviroment? Should I cut them off?

They won't do well. I trim off the flowers and leave the fans intact. Trim what you can easily, if a little is left on, don't sweat it...

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 04:46 AM

Cool Rock....thanks. :) This way I can practice on a couple cuttings and try to troubleshoot any possible issues before I chop up any future plants for the larger model. ;)

MVP

02-02-2008, 04:49 AM

I'm assuming you meant a couple weeks into flower.

Doh! :i feel stupid: Yeah I meant flower... trying to change res in 4 bubblers and make posts. Time to focus - I'll be back later.

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 04:49 AM

They won't do well. I trim off the flowers and leave the fans intact. Trim what you can easily, if a little is left on, don't sweat it...

Thanks....:)

Opie Yutts

02-02-2008, 07:32 AM

I expect to have decent roots (like Opie's post earlier)

Thanks, yes sometimes my work even squeaks into the "decent" category. I was bummed out when I couldn't find my pictures of the good roots and the clean cloner. I spose decent is a good way of describing the roots in that post, but the ones I were trying to find had like twice the root sites. Really! Hmm, did I put those in the laptop? Well... anyone? Could someone please answer me?

MVP

02-02-2008, 07:51 AM

They gotta be in the Laptop. That's always where I find stuff that is missing. My trimming scissors were in there last time I lost them. So was my wallet and that one stray sock that orphaned the others. Either than or Mrs Yutts is playing tricks on you...

Opie Yutts

02-02-2008, 09:06 AM

... I figured I'd try something small and slapped together from stuff around the house... I would not have approached it if had not already had everything I needed but Mr Hound and I were kind of bored so....Wow WH, nice little test cloner. Even much better than many non investigational cloners I have seen.

Iâ??ll bet you didnâ??t know that there are literally hundreds of thousands of weed starved children in this world, living in decrepit conditions not fit for dogs? Yes, you heard right; Some precious young ones have gone as long as several days without ingesting so much as the slightest bit of THC, or any other CB for that matter. Even more amazing, there are others who have actually been living completely without the important ritual of getting baked beyond worldly recognition, for the past month, or sometimes even longer. Sadly, some of these underprivileged children have never even heard of, let alone seen, items as luxurious (to them) as rolling papers. Incredibly, many even lack such vital basic skills as fashioning a roach clip from a match book, or igniting a bowl on a sail-board in 50 MPH winds. Most would gladly give both kidneys and their frontal lobe to have a mini cloner like the one youâ??ve made. This is a travesty that has gotten much too far out of hand, and something must be done before it's too late. Recent double blind placebo studies have shown that the phenomena of couch-locked, twinkie-munching pre-schoolers has already begun to dwindle in several areas of Europe and the entire state of Oklahoma. We hope to appeal to your sense of decency and compassion, and we sincerely believe that you will make the right and civilized decision. Once you no longer find yourself with a need for your baby cloner, won't you please consider donating it, or any other of your infrequently used weed related equipment you may find yourself shuffling about. All donations are or course tax deductible. For more than 8 decades our aptly named organization, TUCCAS, has supplied desperately needed weed supplies to children who are 0 through 17 years of age, in impoverished areas all over the world. Please study our avatar, which is a donated design collaboration between Andy Warhol and Timothy Leary. Their main design consideration was to present the over-all "mission statement" of the people in our organization. Also please be sure to pick up the upcoming March edition of Newsweek magazine if youâ??re interested in reading a shocking exposeâ?? in which President Clinton praises The United Childrenâ??s Cannabis Alliance & Supply, and the vital work we do. We at TUCCAS will gladly come to you for pick up of your used weed equipment at our expense, and we will always supply you with a generous receipt for your tax records. Please donâ??t let this terrible, unbridled affliction upon our society continue as it has in the past. Join us before weed ends up entirely in the hands of adults. You can make a difference.

Oh WH, I almost forgot; Just incase you could care the least, I have a couple thoughts about your questions and concerns. Otherwise Iâ??ll butt out.

Rock.Steady

02-02-2008, 01:44 PM

wow, just wow:wtf:

i dont know what strain is currently in your stash tray, but, it must be stellar.

Haro bmx 420

02-02-2008, 02:24 PM

Must say MVP! Great job, i am new to growing and holy moly. I tried cloning before and failed but now after reading your post and following your instructions i am on my way with 20 new clones of BB :) glad you could help out!
Cheers!:jointsmile:

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 06:58 PM

wow, just wow:wtf:

i dont know what strain is currently in your stash tray, but, it must be stellar.

I completely agree......you're just plain looking at art in Opie's post. Downright Shakespearian!! :thumbsup:

Weedhound

02-02-2008, 07:02 PM

Dreadscale

02-03-2008, 04:14 AM

Thank you MVP for this guide.

I have tortured a lot of cuttings and this guide gives me some needed input.

I have rescued 4 of my 8 cuttings from sure death from JIFFY PEATpellets. runoff PH was 4.0

I'm going to give your method a try.
THANKS AGAIN :thumbsup:

Opie Yutts

02-03-2008, 09:54 AM

Opie please DO pontificate on my questions and concerns. If you're not comfortable at this point with how much degradation we've added to poor MVP's wonderful thread feel free to hop over to my thread and pick it up over there.

Got a headache, 5th straight day. If itâ??s with me when I wake up, that will be my new record. I donâ??t want to go to bed yet, nor do I have a desire to watch TV, play a video game, read a book, or finish the new laundry sink. To be honest I donâ??t really want to sit here thinking and writing about cloning, but thereâ??s nothing else Iâ??d rather do.

Alright then, I guess since itâ??s a cloning thread Iâ??ll dump it here then. Not that Iâ??m a master or anything, but I have done it a few times and might have some insight. Hereâ??s a thread where I explain fairly well my method to my madness: http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/70008-building-good-cloning-machine.html#post824423 (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/70008-building-good-cloning-machine.html#post824423), and a couple posts down from that I elaborate a little.

Iâ??ve changed several things since that post, but take a gander if you want to know how I do it, and read on if you want some thoughts on your questions:

How many inches or gallons of water do you put inâ?¦
Mineâ??s a 3 gallon res and I put in 2 gallons. Itâ??s not critical as long as splashes from popping bubbles land on the roots occasionally. Ideally as much of the root as possible is suspended in air. I keep my water 2 or 3 inches below the lid. You do not want your cutting submerged, or you might as well drop it in a glass of water. For a good test, turn on your bubbles and close the lid. Come back in 5 minutes. The lid should not be completely saturated, but it should have most of it evenly covered in little drops. If it's not even, rearrange the air wands/stones.

whats the size of your airpump?
Mineâ??s a Rena, and has 4 outlets and pumps 9 liters per minute. I donâ??t recommend this brand, due to half of mine failing within a year, and nearly all the rest getting loud as sin. But hey, maybe itâ??s a good brand and Iâ??ve had bad luck. You could probably get away with a smaller 2 outlet pump, and either have 2 air curtains, or split the two outlets into 4 air curtains. Either way you get about the same amount of bubbles, but the latter distributes them more evenly.

Are you running both stones off one airpump?
Yes, and air wands or curtains, not air stones. 4 of em. Air wands will last forever and distribute bubbles more evenly since the air fills up a tube instead of a stone. Cut them to any length and gently scour after each rooting session. Air stones fall apart (at least for me) after a couple months underwater.

And what kind of a solution are you running in there?
Uh, interesting story there. OK not really. Normally I use about 4 drops of SuperThrive and a teaspoon of B1 of your choice, as long as itâ??s formulated for getting cuttings going. I got some DipNGrow concentrate that Iâ??m going to try in my solution next time. You do not need anything but plain water, but who knows? The other stuff might help. Too much though and their fried. Do not be tempted to start the grow nutes unless the amount is virtually nonexistent, or unless you plan on leaving them in there awhile before transplanting.

And lastly.....whats are the little white things that the clones are sitting in inside the tubing?
Iâ??m assuming his are to help hold up the cutting. I took a lot of time to make something similar to help the clones stand up. Basically a 1â? length of tubing with a slit down the length. After a few tries I tossed them and just let the branches of the cutting keep it from falling through a regular olâ?? hole in the lid. Those holder up thingees were a total pain in the ass. Lately I have been laying a strip of chrome duct tape over a line of holes and poking holes in only the amount of spots that I need for that batch. That helps keep solution from coming up through and causing too much humidity, but for some of you that might be desirable. Now however, I am going to try something more professional. I got some actual neoprene insert replacements, for the holes in the big-time professional cloners. Soon I will be drilling new holes in my lid and installing these, for a nice tidy appearance that may even rival the craftsmanship appeal of some of MVPs stuff.

MVP are those airstones secured to the bottom of the bubbler somehow or just bouncing around blowing air?
When I first made mine, I used the suction cups that came with the air curtains, as the tutorial told me to. Of course those didnâ??t stay stuck worth beans, so I tried using epoxy. I scratched up both surfaces a little and first tried Goop or some squishy plumbers stuff that was recommended in the tutorial. After that failed I tried marine grade epoxy. That held for the first batch of cuttings. Now I have a nut (the kind that goes with a bolt) slid over each end of the air wands to hold them down. After the hours I spentâ?¦ man I wish I would have thought of that simple fix sooner. If you go this route, get nuts of some stature.

I DID get the cloning gel on and the cloning solution in the bubbler at recommended strength. What else should I be doing here besides watching ph?
A bit about rooting hormones: You can use DipNGrow that puts the hormones in the res solution, or you can use gel, or powder, or some combination. If you use powder it will mostly wash off fairly soon, but some ends up staying on the cutting. With powdered hormones it will be rare that youâ??ll need to mist your cuttings or use an anti wilt. I tried some popular gel last time, and I thought I killed my cuttings. I looked in a few hours after putting them in, and they were laying completely on their sides looking dead as a doornail. I surmised that the gel so completely protects from embolisms that it cannot let even popping bubble moisture permeate the â??protective shellâ?. I didnâ??t have anti wilt, so I just misted often, and within a couple days the gel had mostly washed off and the cuttings had completely recovered. So, have some anti wilt handy if youâ??re trying gel, otherwise you donâ??t need it.

Mine really only holds two and even then there were issues with leaves bumping into each other etc....
What's your point? Donâ??t worry if your cuttings touch each other. You can cram them in. They love it. They get touchy-feely and start acting like lesbos. Seriously though, take a look at some examples of filled cloners around the internet, both weed and otherwise. Many are just crammed full like my bowl isâ?¦ cough. Thatâ??s better. The problem is that the most likely places where mold will start is where foliage touches something that stays wet, or is often wet. Usually it starts where leaves touch the lid, and later where leaves touch each other. Just maybe spray a little extra antifungal in really crowded situations. Shading each other from the light is not a concern, since light is not big issue at their age. You donâ??t want them to have a lot of light.

They are an expirement BUT I did study up a little bit on cloning a flowering ...plant and found that it is doable.
Well all I can say at this point is good luck. OK Iâ??ll say some other stuff too. You have chosen a difficult endeavor my friend. It can happen of course, especially for someone whoâ??s thumb is as permanently green as yours. Just keep in mind some extra difficulties. Like any mold usually starts happening only toward the end of my rootings, and a cutting in flower is staying in there at least an extra 2 weeks. I had a plant recently take 4 months to revert. I donâ??t know if a cutting would be growing roots while itâ??s reverting, making it possible to take it out of the cloner at somewhat of a normal time, or if it has to revert first, then start growing roots. I know roots grow in flower, but I also know thatâ??s not really their concern like it is in veg. Also when you do this you might want to consider leaving some extra foliage. Since baby's going to be in the nursery longer, it might be wise to pack some extra food.

How warm is too warm for the water?
Donâ??t know for sure. Warmer = quicker rootings = bigger chance of mold and rot. I started with an aquarium heater and found that it rarely kicked on. (I forget what temp I set it to.) I took it out, and the solution roughly stays at whatever temp my grow room is, minus a couple.

And what kind of things should I be watching for as far as problems go with the cuttings?
Over/under humid, mold/rot, and nightmares.

I got a million of em. Before I went to sleep last night I quickly jotted down a couple thoughts as they came to me, incase you wanted my input. Iâ??m not going over all them at this time since I think I will actually try getting some sleep now. Hereâ??s the copy and paste version, and let me know if youâ??d like to talk about any of it:

Tubes too long, donâ??t need tubes
Neoprene inserts with slit
Air wand not stone!
Need 4 wands or long flexible one
Powdered vs gel vs concentrate hormone
Drainage, level indicator
Fishing weights
Nute schedule
Tank heater/chiller
Intermatic vs cyclstat (found one for $85)
Soft tubing vs hard black
Spray, (fungicide, neem oil, anti-wilt, foliar feeding)
Bubbles on/off schedule
Flushing schedule
Light schedule/type
Pump
Hardening
Dome/Lid

Clone from flowering cuttings
Mold
Stress
Revert first (one of mine took 4 mo.)
Eats itself till gone
Dormant

Gnight. Hope that helps a little. Holy crap that got long.

Opie Yutts

02-03-2008, 10:06 AM

Dreadscale, that's a cool sig.

Rock.Steady

02-03-2008, 02:11 PM

Opie
i must say, that was another informative and highly entertaining report!:thumbsup:

nice:cool:

Opie Yutts

02-03-2008, 10:07 PM

Thank you kindly Rock.

Weedhound

02-04-2008, 12:24 AM

It was a wonderful report. :thumbsup: Seriously....a page turner. I couldn't put it down.

Interestingly with only one clone in it and all but one empty holes plugged up but one seems to create just enough moisture to cover my dome lid....aka bottom 1/2 of distilled water bottle without creating enough to drip.....sort of like the condensation on my bathroom mirror after a shower.

There are more bubbles on the "bottom" (which is really the top) than the dome but they ARE bubbles and not solidly wet. Will that work?

Opie Yutts

02-05-2008, 02:03 AM

The goal of the aero cloner is to keep the cuttings as dry as possible while still supplying all desired moisture. As long as your stems aren't covered in water, and they just get little spritzes from popping bubbles, things are going right. They're getting air and moisture, which makes them grow faster and bigger than if they just got moisture.

So I guess, yes. It will work. To have it work the absolute best, you'll need to do a little experimenting to see how dry you can get your roots. You can get them more air by lowering the water level or by having less bubbles, or by having the bubble maker off more often. That's just tweaking a little and won't make a huge difference, but it does make a difference. Many people don't even use a timer, and have good results with the bubbles always on. However I believe this kinda defeats the whole purpose of aero cloning, since the stems and eventually the roots are staying saturated, almost like putting them in a glass of water.

MVP, just tell me to shut up when you're tired of me monopolizing your thread.

MVP

02-05-2008, 03:10 AM

MVP, just tell me to shut up when you're tired of me monopolizing your thread.

March on Amigo, this is for all of CannCom. Additions or hijacks are fine as long as we stay on track to the topic of cloning. :pimp:

Weedhound

02-05-2008, 03:54 AM

Well with that invitation.....

Antistress Plant Protection Membranes - Explanation and Overview (http://www.antistress.com/ASMan6.html) Anyone tried this? I went in today to buy some "anti-wilt" and spent awhile talking to my hydro guy about this stuff and soil talk.

My hydro guy swears this stuff is great....likes it better than anti-wilt and gave me several cool tips about it....including the fact that it does a pretty good job not only to reduce water transpiration but also "smothers" spider mites.

Opie....I know what you're going to say but my hydro guy does not make stuff like that up. I specifically asked him and he said if you used it once a week it would "do a pretty good job" of dealing with a spider mite infestation (his words.)

MVP

02-05-2008, 05:27 PM

Never tried it Hound, but it sounds interesting. What size is it sold in and what is the approx cost?

Weedhound

02-05-2008, 07:06 PM

Well I just bought a quart for $22.....but it's a concentrate so it should last awhile. I'm going to take a few more clones (:D) soon so will let you know what I think of it as an anti-wilt.

However....he mentioned.....that besides spider mites it would help with heat stress, cold stress, other types of bugs etc...said you could use it on plants at the veg stage for all different things but he doubts he'd put some on flowering plants. (Also smothers powdery mildew according to him and "hardens off" seedlings to more light more quickly.)
He was very excited about the stuff so I thought I'd toss it out there for anyone who might be interested.

MVP

02-06-2008, 01:57 AM

Sounds like good stuff... I'm gonna try some soon. I kinda F-ed up and left the dome off my cuts for over a day and they look like they might not make it. I am such a Dumbass sometimes.....

Weedhound

02-07-2008, 09:56 PM

QUESTION: How do you get the little clones out of the tubing once they have rooted? I haven't gotten this far yet but am starting to wonder since Opie mentioned it..

MVP

02-07-2008, 10:53 PM

To get the little clones out, just grab them gently by their stem and coax them out of the vinyl tubing. When I do it I take off the lid and guide the roots thru the bottom side opening while pulling them from the top.

Sounds a lot more difficult than it is in reality. Sometimes a little root will get damaged but at this stage they are growing roots regularly and if one gets damaged no biggie. Just remove the damage and it will be replaced in no time with no real stress on the clone.

Check out this post (http://www.gardenscure.com/420/994606-post9.html) to see some pics of clones further along. It is good reading too. I used many of his concepts so far...

Opie Yutts

02-08-2008, 02:59 AM

1. Transpiration is limited by an application of AntiStress coating which forms a semi-permeable membrane around the leaf and stem surfaces.
2. The protective coating only partially blocks the stomata...

Sounds a lot like an anti wilt to me, but if they insist it's not, maybe it isn't. I was under the impression it would limit transpiration, and then I read the above and my suspicions were confirmed. I was always under the impression that you wanted as much transpiration as possible, or at least I was pretty sure blocking stomata is bad. Isn't an anti-wilt or semipermeable membrane a temporary fix? Along with dealing with spider mites once per week instead of just fixing the problem?

About the clone tubes, normally you want a slit down the length of the tube. That way you can just pry the tube apart, but still use it next time. This is one reason I recommended working the professional replacement neoprene inserts into your design.
Horticulture Source Popup - NEOPRENE INSERTS 3" FOR AMERICAN AG POWER CLONERS (http://www.horticulturesource.com/popup_image.php/pID/1240?osCsid=17cc88091b802a701da75d04dcb9df55)
I think they make em 1.5" to 6" dia.

Opie Yutts

02-08-2008, 03:11 AM

PS. my first tubes had a slit in them, and I never used the slit. They always seem to slide out the top just fine, unless you let them stay in the cloner extra long. Like MVP says, occasionally a root will break off, but that still leaves the other 10 or 12.

Rock.Steady

02-10-2008, 06:25 PM

ok, if this is the official cloning log as previously stated, without further delay,,,,,

here is the cloner I made up for WH.

1st an admission,,,or 2.
this took longer than I anticipated due to some circumstances beyond my immediate control.
aaaaaaaaaand,,,,
due to my notorious OCD and some mania thorwn in for good measure, the first version I was assembling was,,,well, ridiculously over-engineered.
Once I took a few breaths and realized I was creating the largest cloner in the history of cloning, I scaled back.
i had nearly all the parts here n there in my collection of 'stuff'.

Parts-
2x rubbermaid ruffneck 3gal tubs. (2 because i didnt really go for the foil tape thing, so, the walls are doubled to protect the roots from light.)
1/2 inch PVC tubing, because i had it on hand from a previous project.(cut to 2.5 inch)
1/2 PVC caps, for the ports not in use
2X 10 inch airstones
dual port pump
vinyl sink mat used to weight the airstones onto the bottom, cut out a few of the slots to weave the airstones thru, then cut in half and zip-tied to fit the tub properly.
lil clips and zip-ties to hold pump on outer tub.
and lastly, a fancy-schmancy on/off switch, just cause i had it and liked the idea of an on/off switch.

i cut the pipe holes tite, so there was no need for glue and also affords adjustability is desired.

thats it. hope you like it.
email me backchannel and we'll get this puppy out to ya:thumbsup:

oh crap, forgot to take a pic w-dome on, batteries died, ill get some and pic that too.

Weedhound

02-10-2008, 06:59 PM

Rock That is GORGEOUS!!!!

Thank you so much....I'm really touched by all the work put in there!! I'll e-mail you....

Rock.Steady

02-10-2008, 09:03 PM

got your email.
no worries, my pleasure :D

here's a pic w-dome.

overall dimensions w dome on.
16L x 10.5W x 14H

oh, btw, it looks like the magic number is 2 gals to bring water up to the best splash level.

Weedhound

02-10-2008, 11:27 PM

Rock I tried to rep you for that but can't ......must have recently. MVP and/or Opie.....do you guys turn off your bubblers for awhile and if so.....what kind of times do you run them on? Seems as though my stems are getting too wet.

Gotta get all this sorted out before I get my new COOL cloner from Rock....::thumbsup:

Opie Yutts

02-11-2008, 12:35 AM

Rock,

Real nice. Those end caps on the PVC is a nice touch. So is the sink mat. Good idea for a troublesome problem. A-, only due to the pump being too small, and the wrong kind of air stones. Of course that's just IMO, which only counts if I'm the one grading. 2 gal of water sounds about exactly right for a 3 gal container. Sorry, I couldn't rep you either.

WH,

I've always said that you want to keep the roots as dry as possible, while still suppling the necessary moisture. This is true not only during rooting, but in all phases IMO. Giving the plants air with their moisture makes them grow up to be jolly green giants. Here's what I shoot for during cloning: If possible, adjust the air pump to a lower setting and keep it on 24/7 until all plants show root buds (2-6 days). From then on the pump cycle should be decided through experimentation, but I try to use something like 5 minutes on and 30 minutes off, with the pump set to the highest setting. This is not critical and small differences in cycle won't make huge difference. When I can't use a cyclestat (for infinite control of duration and frequency) I use the $20 digital timer by Intermatic, which let's you do something like 30-40 minutes on and 40 minutes off. Again, you want to use as little moisture as possible while still keeping the plants happy. You should be looking for that fine line between the root scar getting dried out and the level of moisture just above it. Just like the race car driver (or me) cannot know where the fine line is between speed and sliding out of control on a corner, without going over that line once, neither can you find the exact location of your line without drying one out. Not only does oxygen help plants grow fast, strong and big, but many people believe that if roots have to do a little searching for moisture they will grow bigger and faster.

Rock.Steady

02-11-2008, 01:09 AM

hmm, A-, ok, i'll take that for the first attempt, thanks professor;)

really, small pump?
i figured using the 2 port and dedicating 1 stone to each would be good?:wtf:

ok, wrong stones? well, i saw your post about the bubble curtain after i bought and wet the stones, so, that kinda negated the idea of returning them.

I did run the thing, and although it took about 15-30 mins to get the lid all misty, it did eventually,, not supposed to get crazy soaked, right?

i dunno, if WH wants to try the bubble curtain, she sure can, and i'll never be insulted:thumbsup:

BTW-
speaking of clones,,,,,,,,,
I did something,,,,,,,,
someone might give me a odd look,,,,,,,,

I clipped a clone off of Galina last week.
she's just starting week 7, so i took the clipping in week 6.
its deserperation time folks!:wtf:
I just couldnt take all the stupid males that been sproutin all around me.:wtf:
I need a Mother.
so,
i took a low branch, very small flower on it and about 6 leaves.
in the morning i snipped off the flower while still on plant.
several hours later, (i allowed for some heal time) I clipped, scarified, hormone dipped, and stuck in a cup with very loose, lite soil, about 50% perlite and domed it.
its sitting in the veg bunker with the 4 sprouts.
been 2-3 days, so far, so good.
I will wait until there is intense root growth.
i sleeved a clear cup in a colored cup so i can check on root growth.
hopefully, this gives me a Blue Russian Mother.
I need a guaranteed fem if I'm gonna try this wet stuff you guys keep boggling my mind with.
I have decided to try a "waterfarm" single 4 gal drip unit, its about 50 bones complete.
I will add a bubbler to the bottom when I get it.
i'm sure i coulda made something, but decided this would be easier for the couple bucks I might save.

Opie Yutts

02-11-2008, 01:27 AM

really, small pump?
i figured using the 2 port and dedicating 1 stone to each would be good?:wtf:

ok, wrong stones? well, i saw your post about the bubble curtain after i bought and wet the stones, so, that kinda negated the idea of returning them.

I did run the thing, and although it took about 15-30 mins to get the lid all misty, it did eventually,, not supposed to get crazy soaked, right?

I use a bigger 4 port pump and 4 air wands, and get (of course) way more bubbles than you show. Even with 4 wands there are some spots that I would like to get more wet. There are "hot spots". 10-15 minutes to get the underside of the lid misty should work just fine. You just might want to make your pump on time a little longer, or leave it on. This is one reason I say that the pump cycles should be determined through experimentation. Everyone's system is a little different. The problem for me would be the hot spots. Ideally the entire surface of the water should be bubbling, instead of more like two lines of bubbles. I'm not picking on you or trying to find fault. I think you did a great job. You asked. I told.

Weedhound

02-11-2008, 01:34 AM

Interestingly...no offense to Opie but I dislike the bubble wands. I used to use them in my fishtanks and was NEVER happy with them. They got clogged all the time and deteriorated fairly rapidly imo. I love those airstones and use a smaller version of the same ones in my fishtanks.

If there is one thing I have plenty of....it's air pumps and air lines. I have enough EXTRA ones lying around to fill a telephone booth so don't worry about that. I have air pumps around here for everything. :D

Weedhound

02-11-2008, 01:41 AM

Opie thanks for the moisture info.....I've been getting mine WAAAAAAY too wet then. Back to the drawing board and getting a timer. I have a non-digital that does 15 minute intervals....guess I'll go play with that for a while. :D

Rock.Steady

02-11-2008, 01:44 AM

Opie, dude, i'm not offended in the least. nope not 1 lil bit.:thumbsup:

we're just talkin and i'm wanting to understand exactly what you're saying and explain what i did and why.

we are so totally cool, believe me dude!:thumbsup:

and i been smokin MY thai all weekend, so, how could i possibly not be in a good mood,duuuuuuuuuuuuude:stoned:

WH, you do whatever modifications you deem nesesary, its your new kit, go nutty.
I wish you many happy returns with it.:thumbsup:

now i gotta make one for me:D

but, ummm, also need a good Mother before I "need" a cloner:wtf:

Rock.Steady

02-11-2008, 01:46 AM

Weedhound

02-11-2008, 01:48 AM

I actually tried that but it caused its own problems and actually made things too dry for too long.....the water level changes kind of fast because so much is going into the air so it runs too low in a hurry. ;)

Opie Yutts

02-11-2008, 02:31 AM

Interestingly...no offense to Opie but I dislike the bubble wands. I used to use them in my fishtanks and was NEVER happy with them. They got clogged all the time and deteriorated fairly rapidly imo. I love those airstones and use a smaller version of the same ones in my fishtanks.

The ones used on this cloner are my 2nd favorite. I don't think you and I are thinking of the same bubble wand though, since mine never clog and never deteriorate. Been using the same 4 in my cloner since the beginning, and they still bubble like crazy.

Weedhound

02-11-2008, 02:56 AM

The only ones I know of are the ones made of cardboard.....I used to have to poke new holes in them all the time.....then they'd still crap out after awhile.

I honestly DO love those airstones Rock and I'm not changing them....:)

Opie Yutts

02-11-2008, 03:15 AM

I hope you don't think I was trying to get you to change. My opinion was requested and I obliged. I run those same stones in my fish tank and they last along time. The ones that fall apart are the all-stone ones. Maybe I've just had bad luck, but those have never lasted more than a couple grows for me.

MVP

02-11-2008, 04:53 AM

Two words to solve the problem of overwatering: Harbor Freight.

Pics are of the mechanical timer that turns off and on in 15 minute increments. I added one over the weekend so that it is on for 15, then off for 45 and repeats the cycle continually.

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If you don't have a HF store near you, touch base and I'll find a way to get you one. I bought several yesterday.....

Weedhound

02-11-2008, 05:08 AM

MVP let me know how that works....I set one to 15 mins every 2 hours......and we'll compare notes. I have a few extra of those too.

Rock.Steady

02-12-2008, 01:56 AM

how much for those Harbor Freight timers?
I LOVE that place!:thumbsup:

MVP

02-12-2008, 02:59 AM

The timers were on sale for 4 bucks each, regular price is either 6 or 8 bucks I think....

Rock.Steady

02-12-2008, 04:58 AM

nice, ill have to look into those.
thx.

Hennessy1414

02-14-2008, 02:49 PM

so that it is on for 15, then off for 45 and repeats the cycle continually.

wont that make a hermie constantly shutting on and off the lights?:wtf: :rastasmoke:

MVP

02-14-2008, 06:41 PM

MVP let me know how that works....I set one to 15 mins every 2 hours......and we'll compare notes. I have a few extra of those too.

So far I have tried 15 mins every hour (too frequent) and 15 minutes every 2 hours which seems about right. I was gonna try 15 min every 1.5 hours next week if I am not happy with progress. Right now I think I should give it time to see how 15 min/2 hrs works for an entire week.

wont that make a hermie constantly shutting on and off the lights?:wtf: :rastasmoke:

H, you misread the thread. We are talking about on/off cycles for the air pump to prevent overwatering, not light cycles. On/off light cycles would create problems incl. hermies, but the lights are on 24 hours a day.

Opie Yutts

02-14-2008, 10:09 PM

Not to mention burning up your lights real fast.

Hennessy1414

02-19-2008, 10:35 PM

Not to mention burning up your lights real fast.

this is why i study cannabis.com everyday! :rastasmoke:

fiddyonefiddy

02-24-2008, 09:12 PM

can some one give me a temp to keep the clone at?

MVP

02-24-2008, 11:04 PM

can some one give me a temp to keep the clone at?

What medium are you planning to use for your clones? Cloning bubbler? Peat Pots? Hydroton? Soilless Mix?

For hydro cloning bubblers the water temp I try to keep is 75-80 F. You'll want to have 90-95 percent humidity (use a humidity dome or tent baggies over them).

MVP

02-25-2008, 02:32 AM

Here is an example of how low cost and easy a cloning bubbler can be if one is creative.

I took a small plastic "to-go" cup from a local restaurant, wrapped it in aluminum duct tape to make it lightproof, cut a hole in the top for the 1/2 ID vinyl tubing and taped it in place. I stuck a 50 cent airstone in the cup and hooked it up to an airpump.

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The cutting was from my Black Dominas in flower for 5 weeks (see sig for grow log), and was going in the trash since it was undergrowth from my SCROG. Instead I took it and threw together a cloner and after 2-3 weeks it has roots.

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The lesson here? If you feel you can't clone, then you need to keep trying. You might just surprise yourself.

Opie Yutts

02-25-2008, 10:14 AM

Opie Yutts

02-25-2008, 10:16 AM

fiddyone you're scaring me with that avatar. I was going to head off to bed now, but I don't know if I can.

Weedhound

02-25-2008, 03:51 PM

Wow....that IS kind of frightening......:eek:

Rock.Steady

02-26-2008, 04:37 AM

that pic is of the worlds ugliest dog winner (now deceased) for multiple years if i recall correctly.
cant remember his name, but dam f-ugly fo-sho

Hennessy1414

02-27-2008, 04:42 AM

MVP

02-27-2008, 04:47 AM

Easier to control nutrient delivery to the new cutting. Easier to see rooting when it happens. Not to mention the cool factor and neat bubbling sounds. And they stay moist which is important...

Weedhound

02-27-2008, 05:03 AM

Well I can certainly say the ones I did didn't end up anywhere near like that......:wtf:

MVP

02-27-2008, 05:41 AM

That is pretty cool. 5 weeks into flower and roots that soon. Nice.

Would you say that a cutting from a flowering plant has to revert to veg before it starts growing roots, or does it basically start roots about the same time as in veg, and then continue to revert?

My vote is that it is rooting and reverting at the same time. At least that is what it looks like on this little one...

MVP

02-27-2008, 05:43 AM

Well I can certainly say the ones I did didn't end up anywhere near like that......:wtf:

Well you can't kick ass at EVERYTHING, now can you? ;)

Keep trying and it will come to you. I agree with Stinkster that since the PP is such a good specimen you might try your luck with her...

lawl12

03-02-2008, 12:58 AM

I have a ? idk if its already in this thread i havnt seen it and thought it was pointless to make a new thread but I was wondering if you can clone after sexing in an outdoor grow and expect the clones to make it to harvest in the northeast?

Opie Yutts

03-02-2008, 01:26 AM

Are you talking about growing outdoors, then after the plants go to flower you take a cutting, and immediately plant the cutting outdoors? Hmmm, probably but I'd scarcely say the yield of such a cutting would be worth much. I'm not even sure if it would root though since it would be concentrating so much on flowering.

doodoobrown

03-03-2008, 09:40 AM

Looking real good so far. How are you keeping that mother? Is that a DWC? I've been wanting to get my moms out of dirt, but not sure the best way to go about it. How was sushi?
That is the funniest Avatar and by far the funniest personal statement(Bio) I've witnessed to date!!

stinkyattic

03-03-2008, 04:56 PM

I was wondering if you can clone after sexing in an outdoor grow and expect the clones to make it to harvest in the northeast?

Hmmm, probably but I'd scarcely say the yield of such a cutting would be worth much.

Right! The cutting will be concentrating on rooting, but the mother you took it off HAS those roots already... plus, if you are removing the best part to clone (active growing tip), you are changing the hormone distribution in the plant and the yield of the MOTHER will suffer, too!

Good temp for cloning is around 78'F.

fiddyonefiddy

03-20-2008, 07:24 AM

sorry about the avatar i just love that ugly

my clones are in rock wool i didnt get the ph down to 5.5 only down to 6.3.
i did soak them and i used liquid karma 2.5 ml to 1k ml.keeping them wet. under 24 hr light but i am not having the same fast process. i didnt use the rooting gel, is this why im not seeing the faster growth on my roots.
i would show you picks but there is nothing to see two weeks later.
thanks for the answer on the temprature, stinky:thumbsup:

Opie Yutts

03-20-2008, 10:49 PM

There could be several reasons why they are not rooting well. 6.3 may be acceptable, but I wouldn't bet on it. Also, I hate rockwool. It's very difficult to keep the moisture level just right. RW likes to hold tons of water. Mine were always too dry or too wet, mostly too wet. You don't want your RW to be wet, you want it moist. Too wet and they will just rot. If you've got no roots after 2 weeks I wouldn't count on getting any. A rooting hormone would help but they should root without it as well. I like powders or liquids, since gels seem to seal off the cutting from all moisture uptake through the stem. Do you scarify? It helps a great deal. And no need to apologize about your avatar. Very different, scary, interesting.

josemartinez915

03-20-2008, 11:32 PM

what would the clones turn out if you just cut the clone off the plant and stuck it straight in the ground?

Opie Yutts

03-21-2008, 07:46 PM

That works too, if the moisture in the ground is correct. Rooting hormones tend to help produce a bigger and better root mass though, which of course helps produce bigger plants, and eventually yields.

Damion5050

04-17-2008, 10:47 AM

Very nice setup, I was wondering if someone had a link to a post like this that had a how to on building your own DWC setup, if so let me know please..

the image reaper

04-17-2008, 10:56 AM

Very nice setup, I was wondering if someone had a link to a post like this that had a how to on building your own DWC setup, if so let me know please..

AquaFarm (http://www.hydroponics.net/learn/aquafarm.asp) :jointsmile:

Damion5050

04-17-2008, 11:33 AM

ty for the link :) quick question I didn't see it on the page home many plants do you think I could get to grow in one of those just one? I am looking to start out with 6 plants :) I was thinking about grabbing one of those emily garden's or whatever it's called, would that be a decent thing to have sence it already holds 6 plants or would it be to close together..

Damion5050

04-17-2008, 11:59 AM

I was thinking about either a closet setup, the wife might get mad about taking all the space or a setup where I would convert an armoire to a grow station.. something like this http://www.meijer.com/assets/product_images/styles/xlarge/1000443_49371_C_400.jpgYou think this could work as a good growing station if the wife wont let me use the closet :wtf:

MVP

05-24-2008, 02:40 AM

Converting an armoire is a good idea, just make sure you allow for adequate ventilation and fresh air induction... it is vital to healthy plants.

greenatik

07-26-2008, 01:22 AM

MVP.. got a couple questions for ya :)

This will be my first time cloning, but I got the concept of it.. i think. Just need a couple tips and input on my situation..

I want to clone my outdoor plants, (white widow, the chronic, god's gift, good god, ak48) and bring them back. one of the problems is that it would be at least 45 min before I could get them into rapid rooters.

if i bring down a bottle w/ r/o and put the cuttings in there and come straight back, make a new cut slightly higher, then scarify... I have A/N piranha, could this be used for a rooting hormone? my hydro guy told me just put it right in the rapid rooter w/o any hormone and i should have no problem

Also, is there such a thing as too much light? I can run up to 4 23 w cfls, cool veg. is this sufficient?

hey thanks for answering my ?'s any advice is appreciated :jointsmile:

MVP

07-26-2008, 05:09 AM

As long as you cut the growth shoot and put in water immediately to avoid an embolism you can actually keep them in the water for quite some time. I've successfully rooted clones from cuts that sat in water in my fridge for a week.

Sounds like you have the concept down pretty well so it should stand a good chance of working out well for you. I swear by Olivia's cloning solution and would recommend it cuz its never failed me. It will make your chance of success much higher IMO.

greenatik

07-26-2008, 05:14 AM

can i get that at a hydro shop or at home depot or lowes?

MVP

07-26-2008, 06:13 AM

You'll find Olivia's at most hydro shops... get the liquid cloning solution and follow the directions. Post questions here if you have them and I'll usually answer back pretty quickly. Good luck, it is not that tough to do.

Opie Yutts

07-26-2008, 05:52 PM

I've successfully rooted clones from cuts that sat in water in my fridge for a week.

I've rooted cuttings that have been in the fridge for more than 8 weeks with no water change or maintenance of any kind. Some people make sure they have several cuttings from each of their valued mothers in the fridge at all times as an insurance policy. Just make sure that they're not in the back corner that freezes, but the colder the better.

I'm not saying 8 weeks is ideal, but a few is no problem. The longer they stay in the fridge the less success you will have. Less than 1/4 of the old ones rooted for me, and they were near rotting when I decided to root them. Aint weed amazing?

MVP

07-26-2008, 07:39 PM

Dammit Opie, 8 weeks? Well aren't you something... a weed wizard of sorts!

I thought I pulled off the impossible when I woke this morning and checked my GDP cuts... of the 5 in the clone dome, roots are poking thru on 1 of them after less than 2 weeks - after being in the fridge for 3 weeks. I also have a dozen cuts in the fridge for a week just in case they didn't make it, kinda like you described.

I was expecting a minimum of 3-4 weeks to root these babies. Damn amazing weed, you are correct amigo!! :D

greenatik

07-27-2008, 12:10 AM

thanks alot MVP! seems like things should go smoothly. going to bring a cooler with me with a big bottle of R/O so the cuttings stay cool

tinytoon

07-27-2008, 12:29 PM

the cloner I have uses net pots and rockwool and sprays water on the rockwool from bottom and partially on the sides, my question is atm I used the rooting gel when I put cuttings into cubes which were soaked in 6.0 water and only have plain 6.0 water in res, when should I think about adding any type of nutes to the res and the cuttings were kept in fridge for about 4 weeks, stems were recut and scraped, when might I see any type of roots from the cubes? also should I leave the pump on 24/7 that is spraying cubes or cycle it? Have 2 24" cool white t12's on 24/7 and dome on, cab temp is about 78-82 and humidity ranges from 40-60%, no anti wilt used. only wilt was when first put into cloner and clones "stood up" over night.

hoho123

07-27-2008, 05:11 PM

About 4 days ago i took the topps of 4 plants and i am trying to clone them im doing almost every thing wrong! i have them in a dome with a heat pad under them i have them in thoese black growing cube things i scraped them and put cloneing gel on it waters not ph balanced well it might be hahah not really sure just put a few drops of ph down in the water and i have them under 18/6.
Do you think they will make it?
oh yea what r u guys useing to check the ph of the water i bought this pool tester one and the lowest it goes it to 6.0 its stupid well ether that or me and im going have to say its the gay plastic tester.
for clones its 5.8 and plants 6.0? is that right

tinytoon

07-30-2008, 10:42 AM

6.0 water is pretty much neutral for growing. as for the test kit, the ones used for fish aquariums has a decent scale range on it and very affordable. Lighting, I have mine under 2 24" t12 cool white tubes. Prob will change to CFL's on next cabinet but tubes is what I have for now. I also keep lights on 24/7 atm. After keeping clones in fridge for about 4 weeks I had roots showing out of 1 of the cubes after 6-7 days.

MVP

07-30-2008, 11:59 PM

Update: It's Wednesday and 2 more of the 2-week fridge clones have roots, so I am 3/5 so far and the other 2 look like they might push roots soon...

SnSstealth

07-31-2008, 12:22 AM

6.0 water is pretty much neutral for growing.

try that in soil and see what happens....lol, gotta dumb question though MVP....can you cut a top as a clone if its "woody"? what is too think to be a clone?
whiskeytango

hoho123

07-31-2008, 04:44 AM

just cut 2 new clones actual cuts not topps so ill see how that works i have a new thread need some help so if anyone can pop and put there 2 cents in thanks

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/159720-second-grow-new-problems.html

o yea anyone use a ph pen?

greenatik

08-06-2008, 12:22 AM

BRO! i just cloned my outdoor bitches and I was wondering if you could give me some advice (or anyone) on my setup, and how I did it.

Took a razor blade out with me and cleaned it with alcohol, as well as a small cooler and a container with R/O. the water was nice and cold and the cuttings went straight into the water. came back fairly quickly (took 45 minutes) and stuck them into the fridge as I laid out all da materials.

I bought Dip-N-Grow (no olivias at the hydro shop) and a large tray and dome. Also decided to give coco a shot since that is my final medium. I have two different types of coco. one is really coarse, and one is very fine. 1/2 are in one 1/2 are in the other. Both were rinsed well to rid salts

packed all the cells in the tray with barely moist coco, made nice holes w/ a screwdriver, and went to work on the clones.

made a new cut farther up the stem at a 45, slightly scarified, and pricked off the lowest leave(s) next to the cut. swirled them around in the dip n grow (not sure what the correct dilution is here.. it had different levels for different plant types) for about 5-10 secs, and placed them as far as possible down into the cell. packed coco around stem for support

the weird thing is that the dome (got for free from hydro guy) had two holes in the top, made by him, and he said that they help, I just have to mist a couple times a day?

they are only under 1 27 w daylight cfl at the moment, adding another tonight.

anyways, i probably wont have great success, but I tried to do everything by the book, and if there is ANYTHING anyone can suggest or criticize please do

thanks thanks thanks :)

hoho123

08-06-2008, 01:31 AM

all my clones died....

went and check on them and the 2 clones cuts that were good and they were dry and almost dead the grow cube dried out werent touching the water the other crappy topps that i use were really short and got black at the ends not like mold black but like dead black after i find out whos a mom and whos not from there ill toss like 3 or 2 of the plants as monthers i wanna get alot of clones going

so in a 1 or so ill be trying all over again i think im going to go with bubbler cloner this time

greenatik

08-06-2008, 11:59 PM

mvp.. its day 2 and 9/12 clones are pretty droopy.. they arent real droopy just look like they are having a hard time supporting themselves. the ones that aren't droopy are the cuts I took real short, the bigger ones are droopier

any thoughts?? i covered up the holes in my dome with saran, but it still doesnt look to be correctly collecting humidity. all of the cells are still slightly moist

thnx for help, i might just be over reacting, but I thought you mentioned yours never droop :wtf:

greenatik

08-09-2008, 03:57 AM

and... the clones are pretty much all dead. the hydro man forgot to give me the extra tray that he uses when he clones. there are two trays, the top one has holes the bottom doesn't. he said fill it with water just so there is a enough to be above the top tray w/ holes and spray the cuttings(if wilting starts to occur) and dome lightly every couple days because of the holes in the top of the dome.

MVP - I bought a new dome that has no holes in it (and rooter plugs not coco this time), do you think what the hydro man is suggesting is correct? Or should I not try bottom wicking the moisture? I want a better shot at round 2 with the next cuttings I take so any input is appreciated man :jointsmile:

btw, how much light is appropriate for a tray full of clones?

MVP

08-09-2008, 04:05 PM

Hey greenatik,

Using the extra tray is an interesting idea to keep the humidity high, worth a try, but make sure that the dome has a small vent so the cuts can breathe. I've had pretty good luck with a 24 inch 2-tube fluor fixture sitting about an inch above the dome. I also mist the dome 2-3 times daily (not the plants, just the dome) to ensure enough humidity for proper rooting.

I've been traveling for the last 10 days so I will post back sometime this afternoon (Sat 8/9) or tomorrow if there are other questions.

MVP :jointsmile:

Opie Yutts

08-09-2008, 04:26 PM

greenatik and hoho123, I'm sorry you had a bad experience cloning.

Just be sure to follow some basics and your cuttings should root.

Scarify the stem, re cut the end at a 45 degree angle, immediately dip in hormone and place in medium. Keep the stem moist. If it dries out once, she's dead. Use a humidity dome. It can have holes or not. Either way the canopy must get some air daily. If no holes, take off the dome at least once per day and blow into the dome and the plants. If the plants wilt too much, holes in the dome are too big. Even with holes, take off the lid at least once daily. Holes may cause wilt problems, which can be fixed with anti wilt spray. Rooting gel also causes wilt problems sometimes, since it seals the cut. I use powder. I've tried Dip N Grow 3 times, all 3 rotting the stems. However I did add it to the reservoir and that may be the problem. The res and environment should be around 82 degrees.

I've had the absolute best luck cloning in a cheapo aerocloner. I hate rockwool.

greenatik

08-09-2008, 10:09 PM

thanks opie and MVP..

yesterday I put the new dome over them with the bottom tray holding water as they hydro man suggested... and this morning I wake up to two clones perked straight up. no holes but I mist once a day and take the dome off for 10-20 secs about once a day. also went from 1 23 w CFL to three right above the dome.

going to go take some more cuts tonight so hopefully I have a better go-around this time

will post back my results :jointsmile:

thanks for the help guys

greenatik

08-20-2008, 06:54 AM

:D got about 10 out of 20 .. not bad for the first time :) threw a few away early on that wilted badly, but once the new dome was over them most of them revived completely. the ones in rapid rooters did well one sativa looking bagseed has roots all over the plug in about 8 days. foliar fed piranha lightly with liquid karma real light once I saw them reaching upwards. but, to be honest, one of cuts in coco is doing by far the best. its godsgift x bluegoo, and the stem is turning a nice purple but not from def. all rooted within 10 days -- ill post some pics soon

thanks for the thread it was a good experience cant wait to get a try with a bubble cloner. but coco is what i plan on using next time, it didnt dry out as quickly as the rooters and they seemed to like me not being able to look for roots like you can with the plugs

:jointsmile::jointsmile:

bloodbrother

08-21-2008, 05:30 PM

Is it ok to put plants to flower to sort through males/females then put them back into veg for a week then cut clones?

hoho123

08-21-2008, 06:07 PM

yea its ok to do it that way i think most would sugest putting one clone of each to the 12/12 test to see witch ones are male or female also u have to make sure the plants mature enough i think because the hormones wont be right but im not sure what happends if there not so after a month of veg u can find out for sure im sure some one can give u better advice but i hope this helps for now

look for pics next week hopefully ill find out i have all females http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/159720-second-grow-new-problems.html

blowin

01-23-2010, 03:18 AM

sdstoner

01-23-2010, 04:41 PM

hey there guys my ? is if you are going to clone do you need that whole water function going on there with the bubbling? cant you just put the on the rockwool the hood and light?? and they will root???

no. you can go to hydro store for 17 bucks, get a 50 site clone tray, rapid rooters or the imitation ones. and a clear dome for 6 more bucks.

Put all rapid rooters in the bag in closet somewhere for storage. use the ones for your clones, cut, dip and stick. for more info IM me

growingweedoutside

08-08-2011, 10:21 AM

Ease

06-08-2012, 01:25 AM

MVP...........I agree with all your points except point 6. Use 10% food grade h202 instead to disenfect and kill any bacteria there may be. Your plants will love you for it. Add 1 tablespoon of 35% food grade h202 to 1 gallon of tap water, plus what ever nutrients you use for growth. Again your girls will love you for it. Doing it with Ease.

XXXJAYXXX

09-09-2012, 10:35 PM

I have heard that Tap Water is better for clones.. as it has a small amount of nutrients already in the water.. vs RO water that has absolutley no nutes at all.. I also have found that peat pellets work best for growing in soil.. the pellets have enough nutes in them to keep the plants alive with tap water alone for the first few weeks while they root and get ready for transplant. I also dont dip the cuttings in water before the rooting gel.. seems to me like the gel does the same thing in preventing bubbles as dipping them in water first.. so I dont see much point to this step. I also have found an "Assembly Line" technique to work quite well.. Cut the clone on 45 degree angle, quickly trim the bottom couple of nodes and then dip it in the gel right away.. all of this happens within about 5-8 seconds and then its in the peat pellet. I have also found that making a slightly bigger hole in the peat pellet (I use a chopstick) helps to keep the rooting gel from getting wiped off when I stick it in the hole. The peat pellets are soft enough that once the cutting is in the hole.. you can squish it back into good contact with the stem and keep the rooting gel where you want it! ;-) Once all the cuttings are in the tray, I mist them with tap water and snap the lid on.. I havnt cut any of the leaves.. but I may try it as the leaves seem to get a little crappy at the ends anyways! I put them under CFL aquarium/plant lights on an 18hr cycle, and open the lid a few times a day to blow inside and move new air around the plants.. and mist them with water again. I am definately not the most experienced grower on this site when it comes to cannabis.. but I have taken a few hundred cuttings like this far, and not lost a single one yet.. so I must be doing something right! Thanks for the great thread!

JoeBlow78

12-10-2012, 12:54 AM

Hi. This is literally my first post on any sight to do with anything. ( a little nervous ) I recently made a clonner after having okay results using the jiffy tray type system. I'm finding it difficult to find consistent information. I'm using an atomizer type system. Not sure if those exist but it logically made sense to me. I have a dbl. 48 T-12 about 24" above running 20/4. I recently added a full dose of dnf root stimulator. A water temp of about 78-80 and a dome on it that I air out about once a day. I used gel for some and powder for some. I'm not being lazy and just asking Ive read for hours and days about this topic alone. can anyone give me some pointers? for instance- water temp, humidity and temp under dome.

JoeBlow78

12-10-2012, 12:57 AM

Oh and after 8 days I had a couple with roots starting from 1/8 - 1/4" long. but they have stalled at that. no change in 3 days. I could put up some picks but its embarrassing compared to plenty of set ups I've seen.